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Wikipedia Games For Faisal Gill

By Greg L | 14 February 2007 | 51st HOD District | 15 Comments

As an apparent component of his internet strategy Faisal Gill’s website team thought it would be a good idea to establish a Wikipedia article for Faisal Gill, and copied Faisal’s biography from the website of Gill & Gallinger to Wikipedia on February 10th. Since then there’s been some activity on the page to see what will be included in this somewhat dubious encyclopedia article as the Faisal Gill campaign discovers just how difficult it is to control the content in this venue. In plowing new ground for political campaigns in Virginia, Faisal Gill is hitting quite a few rocks trying to control the message.

The article was first established by Jim Huber, who runs the web firm that Faisal is using for his website. A BVBL reader gave me a head’s up about this, and being the old-hand at Wikipedia that I am, I thought it would be a good idea to head over and improve the article a bit. Early today someone established the username “Majwooten” and started hacking out all of my improvements, and we’ve been going back & forth a bit to see whose edits will survive, with a moderator occasionally weighing in and refereeing. If any readers have contributed to Wikipedia in the past, this might be a good opportunity to make additional contributions.

One little factoid that popped up in this “revert war” is the removal of a mention of how many children Faisal Gill has by Majwooten from the article which originated from Jim Huber. The Gill & Gallinger biography lists Faisal Gill as living with his four children in Lake Ridge, whereas his campaign website says he lives with his three children. It’s somewhat unusual that the Faisal Gill campaign and his law firm can’t seem to keep their stories straight between them, but a detail like this is after all pretty immaterial and probably just another indication of sloppiness. Usually folks can keep basic statistics like this straight.

So if you want to amuse yourself and give Faisal Gill’s campaign team something to do on a snow day, head on over to Wikipedia and help improve the quality of that resource. It actually might be nice to see an article on Faisal Gill from a neutral point of view get established, and a few more hands — especially from those who aren’t quite as partisan in this as the current short list of contributors — might help a bit.

Who knows, will we be seeing Wiki articles on more candidates in the future? Or will the Faisal Gill campaign learn something about getting way out in front on a campaign strategy is an awfully risky endeavor to engage in?  All I know is it might be fun to watch.

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  1. George said on 14 Feb 2007 at 2:23 pm:
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    majwooten = mike wooten (my guess)

    and Gill has a college aged daughter, perhaps a step-daughter (not sure). Why she’s not included on the website is anyones guess.

  2. Greg L said on 14 Feb 2007 at 3:24 pm:
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    Perhaps you’re right, but it’s hard to be sure. Whoever it is, they’ve sure been busy today and managed to draw the ire of a few of the moderators. I think Majwooten is going to have a hard time taking point for the Faisal Gill campaign on this one.

  3. Mike Wooten said on 14 Feb 2007 at 6:33 pm:
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    George, you’re right on both counts.

    Greg L, you taught me a valuable lesson: instead of worrying about how many kids the Gills have, we should have spent some time enjoying our own kids today. ….how ’bout you, Greg? Do you hate Faisal Gill more than you love your own kids? Spend some time with them; you’ll regret it if you don’t. They grow faster than you know. I’m outta here to enjoy more time with mine!

  4. Jonathan Mark said on 14 Feb 2007 at 7:35 pm:
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    Faisal’s Wikipedia page when I looked at it said that he was a spokesperson for the American Muslim Council. The imprisoned terrorist Abdurahman Alamoudi founded, funded and ran the AMC until his unfortunate suitcase-stuffed-with-Libyan-cash arrest in London in 2003.

    But what I find odd is that Google searches of Faisal Gill do not find him making any public statements about the AMC while Gill worked there. How could Gill have been a spokesperson for the AMC if he never spoke in public?

    Gill described himself as director, government relations at the AMC. Was Gill in actuality a lobbyist for the terrorist founded, funded and run AMC?

    What exactly did Gill do for the AMC, Mr. Wooten? And what causes did he lobby for while he was there? Among the AMCs public causes were supporting Hezbollah and Hamas. AMC also called on Moslems in the aftermath of 9-11 not to talk to the FBI.

    Would you have talked to the FBI in the aftermath of 9-11, Mike? Don’t you think that Faisal’s AMC should have been encouraging Americans to talk to the FBI, instead of telling them not to?

  5. Greg L said on 14 Feb 2007 at 7:59 pm:
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    Nice try, Mike. And no, I don’t hate Faisal. I just think based on everything I’ve seen and read, that he would make a terrible delegate, and am interested in sharing my opinion with others.

  6. Sheik Yabba Dabba Doo said on 14 Feb 2007 at 9:19 pm:
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    To the most honored Mike Wooten: Please update the wiki for Faisal, to include the e-fatwa I have issued, and the prophecy that will be fulfilled where the infidel Greg L. and his dog Mark are defeated by Ibin Fallad al-Chapman and Suliman Barton.

  7. charles said on 14 Feb 2007 at 10:34 pm:
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  8. charles said on 14 Feb 2007 at 10:35 pm:
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    JM, maybe that was the stuff Greg put in.

    I hate how leftists always muck around with Wikipedia entries playing political games with their opponents and causing huge wars requiring moderator intervention.

    Some leftwing moonbat named GLeitiq has been messing around with Gill’s site — oh wait, I recognize that name.

    Childish behavior has made any political use of wiki only work for leftists. No good conservative can post a wiki entry without it being trashed.

  9. AWCheney said on 14 Feb 2007 at 11:47 pm:
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    Like I said Charles, you’ve taken on the J. Young personna…unless that’s him posting from your computer under your name. That’s perhaps the only explanation because I do seem to remember someone I respected by your name telling me that he never indulged in personal attacks.

  10. Jonathan Mark said on 15 Feb 2007 at 5:39 am:
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    I did a search for “Faisal Gill” “American Muslim Council” spokesman and I did turn up some hits from 2001. Gill did speak to the press on at least several occasions as a spokesman for the AMC.

    These Google hits make for some very interesting reading, which those in the know have filed away for use at the appropriate time.

    So no, the reference to Gill as a “spokesman” for the AMC could have come from anyone doing an internet search. Gill sometimes called himself director, government relations.

  11. badrose said on 15 Feb 2007 at 9:48 am:
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    “I knew that the entries could be edited, I just didn’t know that the editing process was so easy and immediate. I thought there was a little room full of eggheads that approved the entries before they were published.

    Wiki, like any tool, depends on the intent of the user. If I understand BVBL correctly, (http://www.bvbl.net/?p=720) he appears to be saying it’s okay to use Wiki as a political tool, if done correctly. Like using a butter knife instead of a flathead screwdriver?” http://www.badroseblog.com/2007/02/14/this-old-dog-learned-a-new-trick/

  12. Batson D. Belfrey said on 15 Feb 2007 at 3:29 pm:
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    I just read this. I also hit the links to the MJM, cited as references to the “Steve Chapman Affair”. I had forgotten how funny those MJM articles were, and just how much Chapman and Gill come out looking like BOOBS. I am a huge fan of the Pink Panther Movies and the Peter Sellers move “The Party” and I always laugh outloud at this classic humor. You know what will happen next, but you always laugh. I laughed the same way reading those articles. Ah, the trip down memory lane was nice, and the laugh quite refreshing.

  13. charles said on 15 Feb 2007 at 9:29 pm:
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    AW, I’m just trying to fit into the BVBL blogging community. Anyway, I do hold a special place in my heart for leftwing moonbats who have ruined Wiki for any useful political purposes, and it pains me that Greg would stoop to their level to exercise a personal grudge, no matter how noble he believes the cause to be.

  14. Greg L said on 15 Feb 2007 at 9:57 pm:
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    Hey, I’m trying to follow the rules on wikipedia and provide a comprehensive and truthful article, and not everything I’ve done has made it through successive edits. I actually think that has made it better and am getting more and more satisfied with the compromises being made. Visit yourself and see if it’s biased or incomplete. If you think there’s something wrong with it, take the opportunity to improve it.

    I honestly think that if the community participating in it was more representative of the actual political geography it would be a better resource than it is. But as much as I’ve had my battles on there with folks who were introducing horrible bias into controversial articles in the past, I am convinced it holds the promise to be a truly amazing resource. If it’s left wing, and I think that argument can be made, it’s because those of us on the other side don’t participate.

    If we don’t show up, how can we complain if we don’t like the outcome?

  15. TheOldTownObserver said on 16 Feb 2007 at 3:56 pm:
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    This post is good stuff. The objections to Gill’s candidacy seem to be crystalized in the hyper-link at the bottom of the Wiki post page entitled “The Fisal Gill Affair” by Frank Gaffney for “Front Page Magazine”.
    As far as Chapman’s candidacy for anything, I watched at least one of the debates in person and Chapman’s performance reminded me of Nixon in the 1960 debate with Jack Kennedy. In fact, in my opinion, the only other politician whom I personally observed to look worse than Chapman, was when I saw Ted Kennedy try to make an impromptu statement to the Senate Judiciary Committee. It is an “open secret” on Capitol Hill that the press protects Teddy to keep alive the “Kennedy Mystique”.Teddy at times appears to have had his brains fried by too much alcohol or drugs. What you see on TV is carefully scripted and he has practiced it over and over. But to be fair, I have also seen Strom Thurman speak at the Senate Judiciary Committee. During Thurman’s last days he seemed to be suffering from some sort of dementia. In my opinion,he would make wacky off-the-wall statements (similar to when Ford said Poland wasn’t a communist country), after which Thurman would take off for his office with the press in hot pursuit for further comments from him to elaborate on his wacky remarks. Thurman would hide in his office and his staff would come out and tell the press that they had “misunderstood” what the Senator had said, and give a completely different statement to the waiting press. None of the wacko statements ever made it out to the public. The press reported the “clarifications” made by the staff.
    Unfortunately for Chapman I don’t think he would get the same type of deference from the press who, in my opinion, view him as a mouth piece of the radical Christian Right. We need a Republican Candidates who are articulate and can think on their feet. Chapman, in my opinion, can do neither.

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