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A Disturbing Distraction

By Greg L | 16 February 2007 | 51st HOD District | 20 Comments

My phone has been pretty busy this evening with people wondering what in the heck is going on with a rather disturbing Faisal Gill supporter who weighed in over at Not Larry Sabato. GoodbyeJim has excerpts from this supporter that are some of the lunatic anti-semetic rantings I’ve ever seen. I don’t know whether to laugh at the inanity of all of this, or be filled with outrage at the possibility that people can actually believe this crap.

I cannot believe that these views are in any way a reflection on Faisal Gill’s positions or beliefs. Don’t fall into the trap of thinking that every supporter of a political candidate accurately reflects that candidate. Plenty of utter kooks support different politicians all the time, and we’ve accepted that the electorate has a few of these in every other instance. This should be no different.

Don’t let this distract us from the real issues that actually have something to do with Faisal Gill’s qualifications as a candidate. What some fool rants about is only an inconvenient, and hopefully brief distraction from the things to which we should really be paying attention. Getting wrapped up in this little sideshow helps us not at all, because there are real issues here that actually have to do with Faisal Gill, and not some psychotic, and unwanted supporter.



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20 Comments

  1. charles said on 16 Feb 2007 at 9:06 pm:
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    Greg, you are pretty good with the computer stuff, and sometimes can do good research without jumping to wild conclusions.

    Why don’t you use some of that skill to find out which opponent of Gill has set up a blog designed to discredit him.

    I would hope that it isn’t related to any other candidates, but if it was that would be very important to know; and if it’s just somebody who is anti-muslim and wants to take out a muslim candidate, that would be useful to know as well.

    It reminds me of “developersForMikeMay”, set up by Dion — only a lot meaner and sicker.

    Let’s crack this case, even though it wouldn’t help your cause. Rise above and do something good. It’s why we pay you…..

    visits.

  2. Jonathan Mark said on 16 Feb 2007 at 9:43 pm:
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    “Let’s crack this case, even though it wouldn’t help your cause.”

    Charles purports to know an awful lot about Asim In PWC. Where does Charles come by that information?

    “”" It’s why we pay you…..”"”

    What does that mean?

  3. Greg L said on 16 Feb 2007 at 9:53 pm:
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    Charles, tonight my phone has been ringing off the hook with discussions about this stupid asmin blog, the method of nomination for PWC supervisors, a Manassas police department scandal, and the continuing Rack & Roll stuff. I don’t have time to try to do forensics on something like blogger.

    Besides, there’s nothing I can figure out by looking at a blogger web site. After almost a year Faisal Gill hasn’t been able to pin down who the original BVBL was on blogger, and spend a lot of time and expense working on that from what I understand. It took me a month to track down who had threatened my own child, and they weren’t even on blogger.

    Some miracles just take a lot of time. Some require divine powers I just don’t have.

  4. charles said on 16 Feb 2007 at 10:19 pm:
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    Wanted to give you a heads up that I’ll be posting about this web site a little later this evening. The post will include a fly-by summary of the Stop Faisal Gill movement that obviously won’t be particularly flattering.

    I almost dropped the project as it sounds much more like something one would read here, while I generally do issue-blogging. However, once in a while it’s fun to exercise the other skills of writing. I’ve finished writing the entry, but I am in the process of adding in links to all my references about where other people talked about stuff.

    I wanted to tell you ahead of time because, while I didn’t attack you personally, I did speak negatively about your efforts, and felt you deserved to know it was coming.

  5. Greg L said on 16 Feb 2007 at 10:23 pm:
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    I appreciate that. Although we infrequently disagree, you’ve been pretty fair when we have.

    I can take the criticism, and might even learn something from it.

  6. Riley, Not O'Reilly said on 16 Feb 2007 at 10:34 pm:
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    That is one disturbing site. Either someone actually believes those things (which I am sure that Faisal would disavow in a heartbeat) or else someone is trying to further sabotage Faisal’s campaign.

  7. Jonathan Mark said on 16 Feb 2007 at 10:40 pm:
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    There are definitely lots of people who believe those things. There are millions of jihadists on the planet among a billion Moslems.

    Abdurahman Alamoudi was Gill’s employer/client when Gill was the chief lobbyist for Alamoudi’s American Muslim Council. Alamoudi believed those things, and Gill lobbied for or on behalf of Alamoudi.

    The question is not whether people believe those things, but whether the Asim In PWC website is written by one of those persons.

  8. charles said on 16 Feb 2007 at 11:33 pm:
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    JM, it was a joke. I hate having to explain jokes, but the explanation is in the last word of my comment, located a couple of lines after the ellipses at the end of the comment “that’s why we pay you…”

    Greg, my post is up. I edited it multiple times to attempt to focus more on this new blog that popped up, but it still is critical of some of the attacks you have used against Gill which I equate in style but not force with the tactic I claim this new site is using against Gill.

    I am certain my attacks are not balanced, but I do hope they are fair.

    And I’m dead serious in my post when I say that I am not at this time endorsing either candidate. I may never support either candidate, as I am not in the district.

    Jonathan, you get a mention in my post as well, but barely, as it would have required providing links to your web site. :-)

  9. el Zorro said on 16 Feb 2007 at 11:38 pm:
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    MUCHACHOS,

    The following is known about www.asiminpwc.blogspot.com: IPs associated with the evil one, 72.14.219.191 returning to Google, Mountian View, California and 216.52.112.92 location in Hamilton, Bermuda. You may get a Court Order for Google IP if you could show a crime,but the one in Bermuda would probably require “Letters Rogatory” from the U.S. State Department, after plenty of wrangling. Most probably the Bermuda IP is a proxy server leading to some third country that wouldn’t even entertain “Letters Rogatory” without some demonstration of criminal activity or the possibility of imminent harm to a human being,such as a child exploitation ring. This “asiminpwc” is plenty evil and slick, No?

    Beware When The Moon Shines Bright!!

    Z

  10. anon said on 17 Feb 2007 at 12:02 am:
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    The site just seems too convenient and too over-the-top to be real. It does seem a large coincidence that the name of the “supporter” is the same as that of Gill’s law partner.

    But then again, one never knows. Analyzing the writing for patterns may point to clues regarding the author - that is, of course, assuming that he has written elsewhere besides his own blog and a single comment on NLS. And I’m actually talking about looking seriously at the spelling, phrasing, and word choice. I am not referring to random “slanders” in the style of “he-who-must-not-be-named”.

  11. Jonathan Mark said on 17 Feb 2007 at 12:09 am:
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    “”"The following is known about www.asiminpwc.blogspot.com: IPs associated with the evil one, 72.14.219.191 returning to Google, Mountian View, California and 216.52.112.92 location in Hamilton, Bermuda.”"”

    Google owns Blogger. Naturally anyone with a Blogger blog has a Google IP address. I have no idea what the other IP address you posted is, but Google is an American company. It would provide the IP of AsimInPWC if legally required to do so.

    By the way, “AsimInPWC’ has taken his website down. However, I copied it earlier today just in case of such an eventuality. AsimInPWC made two violent statements, namely:

    “”"Take that homosexual man and throw him from the mountain…When the imam says it is time to crucify the kuffir we should put the kaffir on the wood and let him bleed for three days. Jews and christians who do not follow Mohammed are kuffir. “”"

    If this was a prank, then it got out of hand. If Asim In PWC is a real person then he needs to be deported back to Pakistan.

    Tomorrow I will contact law enforcement to see if they wish to force Google to provide the IP address and other info as available about this individual. He has a Yahoo.com email address, by the way.

  12. charles said on 17 Feb 2007 at 12:33 am:
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    I’m glad the site is down — that lends credence to the belief it was an attack on Gill gone bad. If the person truly believed what he was posting, he wouldn’t have shut down his site just because people were paying attention.

  13. anon said on 17 Feb 2007 at 12:35 am:
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    The first part of the quote in JM’s post is attributed to Abu Usamah, a US resident for many years, and now an imam at the Green Lane Mosque, which is purported to be the home of some radical extremists in England.

    And kuffir (the quote says that the imam will direct the kuffir to be crucified) has many different spellings. In short, a kuffir is us. It is anyone who does not follow the teachings of Islam.

  14. anon said on 17 Feb 2007 at 12:37 am:
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    If this was a prank, intended to harm Gill, then the blogger has some pretty solid, thorough knowledge about radical Islam - way beyond the level of a “Pastor John” type character.

  15. 10thdistrictrepublican said on 17 Feb 2007 at 12:44 am:
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    This seems like a prank gone bad. What a sicko! Although I disagree with some on Gill’s qualifications and past political baggate he definitely deserves a fair hearing without some 3rd party being involved.

  16. Anon. said on 17 Feb 2007 at 4:53 pm:
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    It may have been a prank, but all this hunting for an IP address and talk of sopenas is pointless. I read all of the posts, and while bigoted and in very poor taste, I can’t see where any crime was committed.

  17. Batson D. Belfrey said on 17 Feb 2007 at 5:00 pm:
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    “Wanted to give you a heads up that I’ll be posting about this web site a little later this evening. The post will include a fly-by summary of the Stop Faisal Gill movement that obviously won’t be particularly flattering.”

    I rather believe that you only wanted to advertise your defense of Faisal, on a blog that many read because without this announcement, no one would ever see your post, as no one reads your blog.

  18. anon said on 17 Feb 2007 at 6:48 pm:
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    From Charles –

    “I’m glad the site is down — that lends credence to the belief it was an attack on Gill gone bad.”

    Not unless you are otherwise inclined to believe it was an attack on Gill. If you’ve got a bias in Gill’s favor to begin with, then, yes, this supports that.

    For those of us who just don’t know and are reading and listening to opinions and facts on both sides of the issue, then the disappearance of the site still leaves things murky. Was it a Gill attacker now fearful of discovery who deleted the site? Was it a semi-radical Muslim Gill supporter who felt the flames licking just a bit to closely, especially when JM said he was turning this in to the FBI? Perhaps Asim was not as radical as his writing suggested. Perhaps he was all talk and no action.

    The disappearance of the site lends no credence to any of the ongoing speculation.

    And “anon.”: I guess “crime” is in the eye of the beholder. It depends on whether one perceives the comments about killing “us” as a threat. Perhaps JM feels better safe than sorry. And then again, I wonder, is the threshold that of a “crime”? Do we, as citizens, have no cause for concern or diligence or awareness short of our own full and complete knowledge of the actual commission of a “crime”?

  19. The Skeptic said on 18 Feb 2007 at 11:16 pm:
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    There is so much verifiable information about Gill and his associates and from reputable sources like Michelle Malkin, who are willing to publicly speak about it.

    Anti-Semitism continues to be a very real threat in this world. Some Muslims are hate mongers that are already reeking havoc in the UK along with many other Countries around the world. Only this time the threat may have found it’s way into our own back yards. Contacting and involving law enforcement is a smart idea.

    I don’t believe there is enough evil lurking in this campaign for someone to sabotage Gill as some have suggested. Asim is too deeply disturbing with it’s accuracy to disregard as innocent.

    Bomb threats are taken seriously, this should be too.

  20. Jonathan Mark said on 19 Feb 2007 at 8:54 am:
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    I don’t understand what supporters of Gill are thinking.

    Google “Faisal Gill.” He has been the subject of a slew of national news stories. The ratio of unfavorable to favorable ones is…wait, there are no favorable stories about Gill!

    If PWC primary voters choose to nominate him then Gill will be the subject of such stories again. This time these stories will raise the question of what Gill did for the imprisoned Abdurahman Alamoudi’s American Muslim Council.

    The stories will ask what sort of financial arrangements Gill has with Sharia-law-in-the-USA advocate Asim Ghafoor. Gill was the spokesperson for the Global Relief Foundation, which the US Treasury declared a “specially designated global terrorist” (cf. court decision at http://www.uniset.ca/other/cs5/390F3d973.html)

    Asim Ghafoor is now Gill’s law partner and was Gill’s nominal employer while Gill was at the AMC.

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