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	<description>Blog-Fu for Prince William, Manassas and Manassas Park politics.</description>
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		<title>By: TVU</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2006/06/01/lawsuit-filed/#comment-111</link>
		<dc:creator>TVU</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jun 2006 19:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2006/06/01/lawsuit-filed/#comment-111</guid>
		<description>Charles,

You seem so convinced that Chapman's claims are 100% true, and BVBL's 100% false. Where's your proof? You spend A LOT of time, and A LOT of words, but you say very little.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charles,</p>
<p>You seem so convinced that Chapman&#8217;s claims are 100% true, and BVBL&#8217;s 100% false. Where&#8217;s your proof? You spend A LOT of time, and A LOT of words, but you say very little.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2006/06/01/lawsuit-filed/#comment-110</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jun 2006 16:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2006/06/01/lawsuit-filed/#comment-110</guid>
		<description>Greg, regarding the "Insulting Words" charge, I wrote a column referencing a case about that: &lt;a HREF="http://www.potomacnews.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=WPN/MGArticle/WPN_BasicArticle&#38;c=MGArticle&#38;cid=1031783562586" rel="nofollow"&gt;Hitler, an analogy for our time&lt;/A&gt;

Short summary, there was a dispute on the Friends of Chinn Park library board, and in the heat of the moment a woman said "Heil Hitler" to the chairperson.

The Chair SUED the lady, and WON.  Said the judge: "If someone came up to me and said, 'Heil Hitler,' I'd find them in contempt." 

Read my column, you may enjoy it, but realise that in Virginia, if simply saying "Heil Hitler" can get you a fine, imagine what substantive false claims will get you.  We don't have to like it to know that it is serious.

I don't want you to have to go to court, I don't want you to lose.  But this isn't some blogger game where people just rachet up attacks on each other, this is the real world, where there are real consequences.

You might be able to plead "temporary bloganity" (A word I just made up to describe how people get so used to attacking people for fun in cyberspace that they forget there are real people in the real world being really harmed by their "fun".  

Your response of "bite me" would be an example -- it's a natural response in the blogosphere.

Hopefully, you have a real lawyer you are paying to help you -- but MY advice would be to call Steve, set up a lunch date, go meet him, talk through all this, show him your evidence, let him show you his, and settle this.  

I don't care about BVBL, because he or she is not a "real person", just some anonymous thing.  But I care about what happens to you, I don't want to see you spend money on lawyers, much less have to pay a fine and have your reputation in the real world be effected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg, regarding the &#8220;Insulting Words&#8221; charge, I wrote a column referencing a case about that: <a HREF="http://www.potomacnews.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=WPN/MGArticle/WPN_BasicArticle&amp;c=MGArticle&amp;cid=1031783562586" rel="nofollow">Hitler, an analogy for our time</a></p>
<p>Short summary, there was a dispute on the Friends of Chinn Park library board, and in the heat of the moment a woman said &#8220;Heil Hitler&#8221; to the chairperson.</p>
<p>The Chair SUED the lady, and WON.  Said the judge: &#8220;If someone came up to me and said, &#8216;Heil Hitler,&#8217; I&#8217;d find them in contempt.&#8221; </p>
<p>Read my column, you may enjoy it, but realise that in Virginia, if simply saying &#8220;Heil Hitler&#8221; can get you a fine, imagine what substantive false claims will get you.  We don&#8217;t have to like it to know that it is serious.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want you to have to go to court, I don&#8217;t want you to lose.  But this isn&#8217;t some blogger game where people just rachet up attacks on each other, this is the real world, where there are real consequences.</p>
<p>You might be able to plead &#8220;temporary bloganity&#8221; (A word I just made up to describe how people get so used to attacking people for fun in cyberspace that they forget there are real people in the real world being really harmed by their &#8220;fun&#8221;.  </p>
<p>Your response of &#8220;bite me&#8221; would be an example &#8212; it&#8217;s a natural response in the blogosphere.</p>
<p>Hopefully, you have a real lawyer you are paying to help you &#8212; but MY advice would be to call Steve, set up a lunch date, go meet him, talk through all this, show him your evidence, let him show you his, and settle this.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t care about BVBL, because he or she is not a &#8220;real person&#8221;, just some anonymous thing.  But I care about what happens to you, I don&#8217;t want to see you spend money on lawyers, much less have to pay a fine and have your reputation in the real world be effected.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2006/06/01/lawsuit-filed/#comment-109</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jun 2006 15:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2006/06/01/lawsuit-filed/#comment-109</guid>
		<description>I think this is much more serious than people are conveying. Greg, you are a nice guy, and I hope you come out of this OK, but this isn't the way I'd chose to defend myself.

You seem to support and encourage labelling your opponent's lawyers as terrorist supporters and incompetents.

I can't imagine a lawyer you would hire would take that tact.  If you succeed in harming their business, it will be used as evidence that you smear people purposely for gain.

I still don't understand why, when you and BVBL got the warning letter telling you that your accusations were false, you didn't simply apologize and move on.  You could have stopped this thing in it's tracks.

You probably still could.  Why defend false accusations? 

You speak elsewhere of our free speech rights, but surely your lawyer has explained to you that each of these statutes you are sued under are valid points of law applied against people exercizing their "free speech rights".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is much more serious than people are conveying. Greg, you are a nice guy, and I hope you come out of this OK, but this isn&#8217;t the way I&#8217;d chose to defend myself.</p>
<p>You seem to support and encourage labelling your opponent&#8217;s lawyers as terrorist supporters and incompetents.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t imagine a lawyer you would hire would take that tact.  If you succeed in harming their business, it will be used as evidence that you smear people purposely for gain.</p>
<p>I still don&#8217;t understand why, when you and BVBL got the warning letter telling you that your accusations were false, you didn&#8217;t simply apologize and move on.  You could have stopped this thing in it&#8217;s tracks.</p>
<p>You probably still could.  Why defend false accusations? </p>
<p>You speak elsewhere of our free speech rights, but surely your lawyer has explained to you that each of these statutes you are sued under are valid points of law applied against people exercizing their &#8220;free speech rights&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg L</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2006/06/01/lawsuit-filed/#comment-108</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jun 2006 00:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2006/06/01/lawsuit-filed/#comment-108</guid>
		<description>I'm waaay too mundane to be the subject of a movie.  I don't even think it's worth writing a book on this.  Blogging is about all I merit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m waaay too mundane to be the subject of a movie.  I don&#8217;t even think it&#8217;s worth writing a book on this.  Blogging is about all I merit.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2006/06/01/lawsuit-filed/#comment-107</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jun 2006 00:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2006/06/01/lawsuit-filed/#comment-107</guid>
		<description>Free Black Velvet Bruce Lee!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Free Black Velvet Bruce Lee!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: F. T. Rea</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2006/06/01/lawsuit-filed/#comment-106</link>
		<dc:creator>F. T. Rea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jun 2006 20:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2006/06/01/lawsuit-filed/#comment-106</guid>
		<description>Be sure to keep good notes. The head-scratching story of this monkey business is bound to be made into a movie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Be sure to keep good notes. The head-scratching story of this monkey business is bound to be made into a movie.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2006/06/01/lawsuit-filed/#comment-105</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jun 2006 11:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2006/06/01/lawsuit-filed/#comment-105</guid>
		<description>Maybe this case will hold reckless bloggers accountable for once.  Someone needs to police bloggers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe this case will hold reckless bloggers accountable for once.  Someone needs to police bloggers.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg L</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2006/06/01/lawsuit-filed/#comment-104</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jun 2006 04:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2006/06/01/lawsuit-filed/#comment-104</guid>
		<description>Thanks for clearing that up.

Honestly, "sliming" Gill &#38; Gallinger seems pretty reasonable to me based on a casual observation of their filings and communications.  I think they're making a reasoned conclusion, well supported by the evidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for clearing that up.</p>
<p>Honestly, &#8220;sliming&#8221; Gill &amp; Gallinger seems pretty reasonable to me based on a casual observation of their filings and communications.  I think they&#8217;re making a reasoned conclusion, well supported by the evidence.</p>
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		<title>By: James Young</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2006/06/01/lawsuit-filed/#comment-103</link>
		<dc:creator>James Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jun 2006 04:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2006/06/01/lawsuit-filed/#comment-103</guid>
		<description>Greg, I never said or suggested that you tried to "slime [me] or the foundation"; I was comparing those who have with those who are sliming "Gill &#38; Gallagher," and noting the results of my experiences with the tactic.  If you applied similar scrutiny to the "evidence" that you have against Chapman, you might want to start saving your pennies.

As for your reliance upon "others far more knowledgeable in the law," and assuming that you're not relying upon that noted legal scholar AWCheney, I would note that none (to my knowledge) is being paid by you, or has put his or her name on it.  That's a pretty thin reed upon which to rely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg, I never said or suggested that you tried to &#8220;slime [me] or the foundation&#8221;; I was comparing those who have with those who are sliming &#8220;Gill &amp; Gallagher,&#8221; and noting the results of my experiences with the tactic.  If you applied similar scrutiny to the &#8220;evidence&#8221; that you have against Chapman, you might want to start saving your pennies.</p>
<p>As for your reliance upon &#8220;others far more knowledgeable in the law,&#8221; and assuming that you&#8217;re not relying upon that noted legal scholar AWCheney, I would note that none (to my knowledge) is being paid by you, or has put his or her name on it.  That&#8217;s a pretty thin reed upon which to rely.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg L</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2006/06/01/lawsuit-filed/#comment-102</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jun 2006 01:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2006/06/01/lawsuit-filed/#comment-102</guid>
		<description>James,

Gill &#38; Gallgher is a worthy target of scorn and ridicule for what they've done, and others far more knowledgeable in the law have proven this in great detail.  They do a great disservice to those who practice law and tarnish the public's opinion of the legal profession with their antics.  I would imagine that you as a professional would be upset that your fellow professionals are harming your profession.

But I haven't tried to "slime you or the foundation" and honestly don't understand the reference.  We may disagree sometimes, but I have no reason to believe that you are anything other than a great attorney who defends the interests of some pretty important clients in cases that impact society at large in vital ways.  I'd imagine you're pretty darned good at it, given how you present arguments.

So what the heck is going on?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James,</p>
<p>Gill &amp; Gallgher is a worthy target of scorn and ridicule for what they&#8217;ve done, and others far more knowledgeable in the law have proven this in great detail.  They do a great disservice to those who practice law and tarnish the public&#8217;s opinion of the legal profession with their antics.  I would imagine that you as a professional would be upset that your fellow professionals are harming your profession.</p>
<p>But I haven&#8217;t tried to &#8220;slime you or the foundation&#8221; and honestly don&#8217;t understand the reference.  We may disagree sometimes, but I have no reason to believe that you are anything other than a great attorney who defends the interests of some pretty important clients in cases that impact society at large in vital ways.  I&#8217;d imagine you&#8217;re pretty darned good at it, given how you present arguments.</p>
<p>So what the heck is going on?</p>
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		<title>By: James Young</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2006/06/01/lawsuit-filed/#comment-101</link>
		<dc:creator>James Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jun 2006 00:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2006/06/01/lawsuit-filed/#comment-101</guid>
		<description>The attacks upon Chapman's lawyers that you are publishing as the owner of this site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The attacks upon Chapman&#8217;s lawyers that you are publishing as the owner of this site.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg L</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2006/06/01/lawsuit-filed/#comment-100</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jun 2006 23:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2006/06/01/lawsuit-filed/#comment-100</guid>
		<description>James, what the heck are you talking about?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James, what the heck are you talking about?</p>
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		<title>By: James Young</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2006/06/01/lawsuit-filed/#comment-99</link>
		<dc:creator>James Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jun 2006 16:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2006/06/01/lawsuit-filed/#comment-99</guid>
		<description>You know, among the signs that I've got a really great case is when the other side starts trying to slime me or the Foundation.

Keep it up, Greg (or allow it to be kept up); you might just end up with TWO lawsuits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, among the signs that I&#8217;ve got a really great case is when the other side starts trying to slime me or the Foundation.</p>
<p>Keep it up, Greg (or allow it to be kept up); you might just end up with TWO lawsuits.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2006/06/01/lawsuit-filed/#comment-98</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jun 2006 16:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2006/06/01/lawsuit-filed/#comment-98</guid>
		<description>more on Gill:

http://www.sperryfiles.com/characters.shtml</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>more on Gill:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sperryfiles.com/characters.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.sperryfiles.com/characters.shtml</a></p>
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		<title>By: James Young</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2006/06/01/lawsuit-filed/#comment-97</link>
		<dc:creator>James Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jun 2006 14:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2006/06/01/lawsuit-filed/#comment-97</guid>
		<description>Funny, Anon 8:25.  I imagine that it was good for a few laughs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny, Anon 8:25.  I imagine that it was good for a few laughs.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2006/06/01/lawsuit-filed/#comment-96</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jun 2006 12:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2006/06/01/lawsuit-filed/#comment-96</guid>
		<description>I can only imagine the looks on the faces of the people in the courthouse when they see "Black Velvet Bruce Lee" on a court filing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can only imagine the looks on the faces of the people in the courthouse when they see &#8220;Black Velvet Bruce Lee&#8221; on a court filing.</p>
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		<title>By: James Young</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2006/06/01/lawsuit-filed/#comment-95</link>
		<dc:creator>James Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jun 2006 03:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2006/06/01/lawsuit-filed/#comment-95</guid>
		<description>Thanks, Jim.  I admit, I'm not much better informed as to their standards for taking case than you are.  I am merely ruminating on whether I would take the case were I on their payroll.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Jim.  I admit, I&#8217;m not much better informed as to their standards for taking case than you are.  I am merely ruminating on whether I would take the case were I on their payroll.</p>
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		<title>By: manbearpig</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2006/06/01/lawsuit-filed/#comment-94</link>
		<dc:creator>manbearpig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jun 2006 03:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2006/06/01/lawsuit-filed/#comment-94</guid>
		<description>Now everyone will take Steve Chapman serial...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now everyone will take Steve Chapman serial&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Riley, Not O'Reilly</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2006/06/01/lawsuit-filed/#comment-93</link>
		<dc:creator>Riley, Not O'Reilly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jun 2006 03:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2006/06/01/lawsuit-filed/#comment-93</guid>
		<description>Good point, Jim.  I'm just familiar with the ACLJ by reputation and thought I'd suggest it.  You've got a great post on your site about this whole thing right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point, Jim.  I&#8217;m just familiar with the ACLJ by reputation and thought I&#8217;d suggest it.  You&#8217;ve got a great post on your site about this whole thing right now.</p>
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		<title>By: James Young</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2006/06/01/lawsuit-filed/#comment-92</link>
		<dc:creator>James Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jun 2006 02:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2006/06/01/lawsuit-filed/#comment-92</guid>
		<description>Given that you don't fish in that particular pond, Jim, your assurances are probably not well-informed, Jim.  I have a sneaking suspicion that ACLJ won't touch this case with a ten-foot pole, particularly when they see the posts in question.  What's the principle they'd be defending?  The right of an anonymous pseudo-con to viciously and pseudonymously attack a Conservative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given that you don&#8217;t fish in that particular pond, Jim, your assurances are probably not well-informed, Jim.  I have a sneaking suspicion that ACLJ won&#8217;t touch this case with a ten-foot pole, particularly when they see the posts in question.  What&#8217;s the principle they&#8217;d be defending?  The right of an anonymous pseudo-con to viciously and pseudonymously attack a Conservative.</p>
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