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	<title>Comments on: MANASSAS GAY &#8220;MARRIAGE&#8221; RALLY</title>
	<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2006/08/06/manassas-gay-marriage-rally/</link>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2006/08/06/manassas-gay-marriage-rally/#comment-1008</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Aug 2006 11:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2006/08/06/manassas-gay-marriage-rally/#comment-1008</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;having seen my family attacked this past week&lt;/blockquote&gt;

How so?

&lt;blockquote&gt;and in this thread seen comments that Roemmelt was going to \”kick my ass\”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That's not true, my words were:

&lt;blockquote&gt;For a kung fu tough guy and all that, I have the suspicion that you didn’t mention Bruce’s excellent speech because you’re afraid that he’d kick your sorry little ass.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It was a question to your motivation for omitting Bruce's powerful speech and your failure to address the profound constitutional issues.  You still have not explained why you omitted the speech.  Why did you?  I thought that maybe all this kung fu stuff is an overcompensation for something you may be missing in your brick and mortar life, and my intuition seems to be ringing true.  ding-a-ling!

p.s. - in a plea for "christian charity", please drop the scare quotes on the word marriage.  Out of respect for the religious liberty of your neighbors at the BRUU, you're going to have to just get over it.  Once your over it, please get the word out to your party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>having seen my family attacked this past week</p></blockquote>
<p>How so?</p>
<blockquote><p>and in this thread seen comments that Roemmelt was going to \”kick my ass\”</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s not true, my words were:</p>
<blockquote><p>For a kung fu tough guy and all that, I have the suspicion that you didn’t mention Bruce’s excellent speech because you’re afraid that he’d kick your sorry little ass.</p></blockquote>
<p>It was a question to your motivation for omitting Bruce&#8217;s powerful speech and your failure to address the profound constitutional issues.  You still have not explained why you omitted the speech.  Why did you?  I thought that maybe all this kung fu stuff is an overcompensation for something you may be missing in your brick and mortar life, and my intuition seems to be ringing true.  ding-a-ling!</p>
<p>p.s. - in a plea for &#8220;christian charity&#8221;, please drop the scare quotes on the word marriage.  Out of respect for the religious liberty of your neighbors at the BRUU, you&#8217;re going to have to just get over it.  Once your over it, please get the word out to your party.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg L</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2006/08/06/manassas-gay-marriage-rally/#comment-1002</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Aug 2006 02:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2006/08/06/manassas-gay-marriage-rally/#comment-1002</guid>
		<description>\"Loving\" as of late seems all too selective, having seen my family attacked this past week and in this thread seen comments that Roemmelt was going to \"kick my ass\" by these very \"loving\" Democrats. The veneer of \"loving\" is wearing pretty thin these days. If I get much more of this particular brand of love, I\'m going to have to start shopping for bulletproof vests for my preschoolers.

But what was disturbing to me wasn\'t that I felt personally threatened, as I absolutely did not at the BRUU rally. What was disturbing was that I would be characterized as a segregationist simply because I believe that marriage is something that should continue to be between one man and one woman, as it always has been. I find it disturbing that anyone would advocate gay \"marriage\". It\'s disturbing from a policy and phiolosophical perspective, not in a sense that I am threatened in any way.

I hope that you continue to advocate for these principles of christian charity and forgiveness within your party as I have in mine. Perhaps some day none of us will ever come to fear for the lives of our families because of what we believe and say. I think our political discussion would greatly improve as a result.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>\&#8221;Loving\&#8221; as of late seems all too selective, having seen my family attacked this past week and in this thread seen comments that Roemmelt was going to \&#8221;kick my ass\&#8221; by these very \&#8221;loving\&#8221; Democrats. The veneer of \&#8221;loving\&#8221; is wearing pretty thin these days. If I get much more of this particular brand of love, I\&#8217;m going to have to start shopping for bulletproof vests for my preschoolers.</p>
<p>But what was disturbing to me wasn\&#8217;t that I felt personally threatened, as I absolutely did not at the BRUU rally. What was disturbing was that I would be characterized as a segregationist simply because I believe that marriage is something that should continue to be between one man and one woman, as it always has been. I find it disturbing that anyone would advocate gay \&#8221;marriage\&#8221;. It\&#8217;s disturbing from a policy and phiolosophical perspective, not in a sense that I am threatened in any way.</p>
<p>I hope that you continue to advocate for these principles of christian charity and forgiveness within your party as I have in mine. Perhaps some day none of us will ever come to fear for the lives of our families because of what we believe and say. I think our political discussion would greatly improve as a result.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2006/08/06/manassas-gay-marriage-rally/#comment-999</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Aug 2006 02:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2006/08/06/manassas-gay-marriage-rally/#comment-999</guid>
		<description>Greg,

I'm not from Prince William and don't know the personal dynamics between you and the good the locals who support liberty, justice and just plain fairness.  You did say you were "disturbed" by the event, and it couldn't have possibly been because you felt threatened or in fear for your personal safety, not from that loving crowd.  If you have time, please elaborate on what "disturbed" you.

I would never threaten you Greg, but if you were thirsty, I'd give you water, and if you were hungry, I'd give you food.

In peace and love,
Jonathan

p.s. - Did you read section 1 of the Bill of Rights? 

p.s.s. - I thought that I had posted this early this morning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not from Prince William and don&#8217;t know the personal dynamics between you and the good the locals who support liberty, justice and just plain fairness.  You did say you were &#8220;disturbed&#8221; by the event, and it couldn&#8217;t have possibly been because you felt threatened or in fear for your personal safety, not from that loving crowd.  If you have time, please elaborate on what &#8220;disturbed&#8221; you.</p>
<p>I would never threaten you Greg, but if you were thirsty, I&#8217;d give you water, and if you were hungry, I&#8217;d give you food.</p>
<p>In peace and love,<br />
Jonathan</p>
<p>p.s. - Did you read section 1 of the Bill of Rights? </p>
<p>p.s.s. - I thought that I had posted this early this morning.</p>
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		<title>By: Had to Say</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2006/08/06/manassas-gay-marriage-rally/#comment-982</link>
		<dc:creator>Had to Say</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Aug 2006 14:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2006/08/06/manassas-gay-marriage-rally/#comment-982</guid>
		<description>A yes vote for the marriage admendment doesn't take anyones rights away! The thing I get so sick of, is having to cater to so many minority groups. This is the perfect way for a law to voted on. Let the PUBLIC decide! Let the majority win! I wish Americans could vote on the illegal alien issue themselves, since some of our politicians can't seem to remember that we already have laws about the enforcement of illegal's.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A yes vote for the marriage admendment doesn&#8217;t take anyones rights away! The thing I get so sick of, is having to cater to so many minority groups. This is the perfect way for a law to voted on. Let the PUBLIC decide! Let the majority win! I wish Americans could vote on the illegal alien issue themselves, since some of our politicians can&#8217;t seem to remember that we already have laws about the enforcement of illegal&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: James Young</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2006/08/06/manassas-gay-marriage-rally/#comment-981</link>
		<dc:creator>James Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Aug 2006 14:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2006/08/06/manassas-gay-marriage-rally/#comment-981</guid>
		<description>What do you expect from a Roemmelt admirer, Greg?  They have to rely upon a tough-guy persona, though some like to refer to him as "Dr." Roemmelt (even though his doctorate is the widely-recognized-as-phony Ed.D).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What do you expect from a Roemmelt admirer, Greg?  They have to rely upon a tough-guy persona, though some like to refer to him as &#8220;Dr.&#8221; Roemmelt (even though his doctorate is the widely-recognized-as-phony Ed.D).</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2006/08/06/manassas-gay-marriage-rally/#comment-979</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Aug 2006 12:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2006/08/06/manassas-gay-marriage-rally/#comment-979</guid>
		<description>Greg, again I must point out that your reading comprehension skills leave much to be desired. You are not permitted to respond to what you &lt;i&gt;wish&lt;/i&gt; your adversary had said. Sorry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg, again I must point out that your reading comprehension skills leave much to be desired. You are not permitted to respond to what you <i>wish</i> your adversary had said. Sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg L</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2006/08/06/manassas-gay-marriage-rally/#comment-977</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Aug 2006 04:09:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2006/08/06/manassas-gay-marriage-rally/#comment-977</guid>
		<description>Roemmelt made no sense at all in his rantings as far as I'm concerned.  He said nothing I haven't heard from other gay "marriage" supporters, and it's clear that he is a gay "marriage" advocate but lacks the courage to stand up for his convictions and state them in clear terms.  It's far easier to hide behind such nonsequiturs as "writing discrimination into the constitution" and retain some shred of hope that Prince William County voters will be fooled into electing him to office.  I'm not buying.

So Bruce Roemmelt is going to "kick my sorry little ass" now?  Seems I've heard this sort of thing before from cowards such as yourself.  How about you be a man and threaten me directly rather than stand Roemmelt up to do your dirty work for you?

"I'm gonna have Bruce Roemmelt beat you up" is one hell of an argument for your side.  You might want to fix your lipstick, because this argument is still a pig.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roemmelt made no sense at all in his rantings as far as I&#8217;m concerned.  He said nothing I haven&#8217;t heard from other gay &#8220;marriage&#8221; supporters, and it&#8217;s clear that he is a gay &#8220;marriage&#8221; advocate but lacks the courage to stand up for his convictions and state them in clear terms.  It&#8217;s far easier to hide behind such nonsequiturs as &#8220;writing discrimination into the constitution&#8221; and retain some shred of hope that Prince William County voters will be fooled into electing him to office.  I&#8217;m not buying.</p>
<p>So Bruce Roemmelt is going to &#8220;kick my sorry little ass&#8221; now?  Seems I&#8217;ve heard this sort of thing before from cowards such as yourself.  How about you be a man and threaten me directly rather than stand Roemmelt up to do your dirty work for you?</p>
<p>&#8220;I&#8217;m gonna have Bruce Roemmelt beat you up&#8221; is one hell of an argument for your side.  You might want to fix your lipstick, because this argument is still a pig.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2006/08/06/manassas-gay-marriage-rally/#comment-976</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Aug 2006 03:22:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2006/08/06/manassas-gay-marriage-rally/#comment-976</guid>
		<description>Greg, 

The rally was a Vote No rally, not a marriage equality rally.  The Commonwealth Coalition is very inclusive and welcomes people who believe that marriage should be between one man and one woman, but disagree with the proposed amendment.  Bruce Roemmelt articulated the "heinousness" of this amendment very well.  It's hard to see how the amendment fits with the intent of Madison and Jefferson when they wrote:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Section 1. Equality and rights of men.
That all men are by nature equally free and independent and have certain inherent rights, of which, when they enter into a state of society, they cannot, by any compact, deprive or divest their osterity; namely, the enjoyment of life and liberty, with the means of acquiring and possessing property, and pursuing and obtaining happiness and safety.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

For a kung fu tough guy and all that, I have the suspicion that you didn't mention Bruce's excellent speech because you're afraid that he'd kick your sorry little ass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg, </p>
<p>The rally was a Vote No rally, not a marriage equality rally.  The Commonwealth Coalition is very inclusive and welcomes people who believe that marriage should be between one man and one woman, but disagree with the proposed amendment.  Bruce Roemmelt articulated the &#8220;heinousness&#8221; of this amendment very well.  It&#8217;s hard to see how the amendment fits with the intent of Madison and Jefferson when they wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>Section 1. Equality and rights of men.<br />
That all men are by nature equally free and independent and have certain inherent rights, of which, when they enter into a state of society, they cannot, by any compact, deprive or divest their osterity; namely, the enjoyment of life and liberty, with the means of acquiring and possessing property, and pursuing and obtaining happiness and safety.</p></blockquote>
<p>For a kung fu tough guy and all that, I have the suspicion that you didn&#8217;t mention Bruce&#8217;s excellent speech because you&#8217;re afraid that he&#8217;d kick your sorry little ass.</p>
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		<title>By: manassascitizen</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2006/08/06/manassas-gay-marriage-rally/#comment-973</link>
		<dc:creator>manassascitizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Aug 2006 15:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2006/08/06/manassas-gay-marriage-rally/#comment-973</guid>
		<description>Maybe you did not read the same article.  But, it seems to me the liberal MJM down played the wacko left in this article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe you did not read the same article.  But, it seems to me the liberal MJM down played the wacko left in this article.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2006/08/06/manassas-gay-marriage-rally/#comment-972</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Aug 2006 14:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2006/08/06/manassas-gay-marriage-rally/#comment-972</guid>
		<description>This report is so typical of pro-Marshall/Newman mouthpieces, with its convenient slippage between opposition to the amendment and support for full marriage equality. Reverend McDonald made it clear that she is in the latter camp, while Mayor Porta and many other speakers gave a myriad of other reasons for opposing the amendment.

Your tag line on the Porta quote, "in support of gay “marriage”" is an example of a very unsophisticated rhetorical trick, which everyone can see through. Thanks for the laugh this morning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This report is so typical of pro-Marshall/Newman mouthpieces, with its convenient slippage between opposition to the amendment and support for full marriage equality. Reverend McDonald made it clear that she is in the latter camp, while Mayor Porta and many other speakers gave a myriad of other reasons for opposing the amendment.</p>
<p>Your tag line on the Porta quote, &#8220;in support of gay “marriage”&#8221; is an example of a very unsophisticated rhetorical trick, which everyone can see through. Thanks for the laugh this morning.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonon</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2006/08/06/manassas-gay-marriage-rally/#comment-968</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Aug 2006 12:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2006/08/06/manassas-gay-marriage-rally/#comment-968</guid>
		<description>Keep in mind, I am a moderate when I address this point.  Marriage is based religious scripture, so I don't think any church should be forced to marriage two people of the same gender.  Since marriage is based in Scripture, I don't think that anyone but a man and a woman should be allowed to "marry" in the biblical sense.  But what about the concept of domestic partnership?  I know many gays and lesbians who make the assertion that they want the exact same thing that heterosexual couples have.  It isn't going to happen.  But is there room for domestic partnership, where they can live together, inherit property, make joint purchases and medical decisions with each other, and perhaps raise a family together?  Is the issue the partnership or the fact that they want to call it marriage?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keep in mind, I am a moderate when I address this point.  Marriage is based religious scripture, so I don&#8217;t think any church should be forced to marriage two people of the same gender.  Since marriage is based in Scripture, I don&#8217;t think that anyone but a man and a woman should be allowed to &#8220;marry&#8221; in the biblical sense.  But what about the concept of domestic partnership?  I know many gays and lesbians who make the assertion that they want the exact same thing that heterosexual couples have.  It isn&#8217;t going to happen.  But is there room for domestic partnership, where they can live together, inherit property, make joint purchases and medical decisions with each other, and perhaps raise a family together?  Is the issue the partnership or the fact that they want to call it marriage?</p>
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