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More on Manassas 287(g) Program

By Greg L | 27 October 2006 | Manassas City | 19 Comments

Yesterday I posted on a council work session regarding Manassas’ participation in an ICE training program under Section 287(g) of the Immigration and Nationality Act.  The Manassas Journal-Messenger provides important additional detail today.

The article suggests, and perhaps rightly so, that between Chief Skinner’s interest in retaining the status quo and some weakness on the council an effective effort to address local immigration may be in jeopardy.  Council members Miller, Aveni and Harrover are ready to tackle this problem in an effective manner, while Vice Mayor Parrish and councilmember Randolph may need additional input from citizens in order to more fully understand how important implementing solutions to address illegal immigration is for the residents of Manassas.

Next Monday the council will take this proposal up again at Haydon Elementary School.  You probably will want to be there.



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19 Comments

  1. Citizenofmanassas said on 27 Oct 2006 at 12:38 am:
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    Why are people complaining about the cost? is this not the City that has increased the budget by double digits the past two years? I mean come on. At least this is a good expense that can be expected to have benefits for everyone in the City. Besides in the end, less illegals mean less overall costs to the City. A bit of up front costs to save the City seems to be a small price to pay.

    if Skinner is more concerned about not pissing off the hispanics, or he thinks hispanics are not concerned with law and order, he needs to go.

  2. anonymous said on 27 Oct 2006 at 12:55 am:
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    I just have to wonder if we’re required to be a penal colony for Mexico and El Salvador (and the rest of the 27 countries that are joining Mexico in opposing the border fence at the UN).

  3. Andy H said on 27 Oct 2006 at 8:26 am:
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    Gentlepeople:

    You need to take it easy on the Chief. There is no need to savage such a decent man in this manner. Do remember that the father of Colin Wolfe singled the Chief out for praise for his assistance after the recent death of his son in Iraq. The Chief, in my opinion, seems to do a pretty good job. Please read on:

    The Chief prepared a staff report and gave his opinion on the matter. That it doesn’t happen to coincide with either my opinion or anyone else’s is ok. It happens all the time from Community development, Public Works, Zoning and on and on. These staff reports are by those at the sharp end of the stick and the reports are written from such a viewpoint.

    It is the job of the Council, not staff, to give new guidance or to set a new direction. The real measure of the Chief’s success (or any other department head in the City) is how well they respond to Council direction and how well they execute that new direction.

    I would urge you to stay your frustration with the Chief and, instead, focus your input on the Council - that is what we are for. Come to the meeting Monday night and help Jackson, Marc and myself set a new direction for the City.

  4. Citizenofmanassas said on 27 Oct 2006 at 8:35 am:
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    Andy,

    I will be at the meeting. I can’t help but wonder what Skinner is thinking. As I said at the meeting this past Monday, does the City have to experience a fallen Officer before something is done? For too many Cities around the Country it is too late to do anything about this issue. The whole reason why we are in this position is because of apathy and too many elected and public officials not wanting to do their jobs. I do support the City leadership on this issue, and contrary to the what the Manassas fish wrapper says, this is a sign of great leadership on the part of the Council. Sure it might seem to be a big step, but if the City Council wants a bright future for the City, it is a necessary step to take. ACLU etc be damned.

    While Skinner may have some positive points, he misses the mark on this issue.

  5. Andy H said on 27 Oct 2006 at 9:08 am:
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    COM:

    Thanks for your input! I don’t disagree and we are just going to have to set out on a new direction!

    I look forward to seeing everyone Monday night. It will be an important night for the City.

  6. Steve Thomas said on 27 Oct 2006 at 9:22 am:
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    Andy,

    I will be there as well. You know where I stand on this issue.

  7. Andy H said on 27 Oct 2006 at 9:24 am:
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    I suspect I do…;)

  8. Anonymous said on 27 Oct 2006 at 10:06 am:
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    Why shouldnt we get in a huff over Skinner Mr. Harrover? He appears to be the one who has staked out a public opinion against this proposal from the beginning. Calling it a “train wreck waiting to happen” when the issue first came up.

    Now he wants a public fight with the only one on council who has ever tried to do anything about this issue?

    Is Skinner the one who runs this city? Or is it Hughes? It sure as heck isnt the spineless City Council.

  9. anonymous said on 27 Oct 2006 at 10:30 am:
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    Skinner apparently likes the status quo. Why he does, is anyone’s guess.

  10. anonymous said on 27 Oct 2006 at 10:36 am:
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    ‘Miller called the point that the training would negatively affect relations with the Hispanic community “political correctness crap.”

    “It’s an excuse not to do anything,” he said. “That bullet point is the reason we have the problem we do right now.” ‘

    A man who tells it like it is. He’s got my vote for sure!

  11. Anonymous said on 27 Oct 2006 at 12:40 pm:
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    Andy H, I will stay my frustration for your Chief, If you will reign him in with his adamant opposition to something the City may very well want to do. Especially when he throws out such politically charged comments like the 287G program is a “train wreck waiting to happen”. The way he has waded into the debate you would think he was the mayor or something.

    HEY CHIEF, PULL YOUR HEAD OUT OF THE SAND. THE TRAIN WRECK ALREADY HAPPENED. ITS TIME TO CLEAN THE TRAIN WRECK UP.

  12. anonymous said on 27 Oct 2006 at 2:37 pm:
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    Most government agencies don’t want to clean any train wrecks up. On the contrary–the more train wrecks they have, the more funding they can ask for.

    That’s how it works.

    Too bad the Manassas City Police Dept is operating on those standards, apparently.

  13. Maureen Wood said on 27 Oct 2006 at 3:31 pm:
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    Chief Skinner has done alot of good for this city. I do not agree with him on this issue though. Anytime the city has the tools at their disposal to combat illegal immigration and overcrowding, they need to use it.

    I would have sided with Jackson, Marc and Andy on this.

  14. Big Dog said on 27 Oct 2006 at 4:22 pm:
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    Some of you folks sound like the inspiration for today’s
    Dilbert cartoon. Golly.

    Three things to note (will use short words).

    1) John Skinner is a top notch police chief - we
    are lucky to have him.

    2)Massive illegal immigration is a huge problem
    across America and the federal government should
    have dealt with the problem. Local governments,
    by default, are attempting to confront it the best
    they can, but are often smacked down by HUD and
    other arrogant and obviously bloated Federal
    agencies - and don’t get me started on H.O.M.E.
    and the ACLU. Cold fact: the Feds have deep pockets
    and buildings full of lawyers. Manassas doesn’t.

    3)The Section 287(g) program is a very limited one
    not because of the chief or council, but beause ICE
    has set it up that way. We should do it, but
    we should do it right -and that requires calm,
    rational and reasoned debate before a decsion.

    Stay tuned.

  15. anonymous said on 27 Oct 2006 at 5:19 pm:
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    Apparently 287(g) is not so limited that it wouldn’t “negatively affect relations with the Hispanic community”.

  16. Citizenofmanassas said on 27 Oct 2006 at 5:20 pm:
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    Andy,

    I will see you on Monday night. Just one more thought. I have not heard of a law officer state the reason for not wanting to have another tool to fight crime is because it will fill the jails. On the contrary, Skinner in his clumsy response to a great program gives us the very reason to have such a program. The more I think about Skinner, the more concerned I get with our Police Department

  17. anonymous said on 27 Oct 2006 at 5:21 pm:
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    In fact, it appears that Skinner is concerned that 287(g) goes too far—but then again, anything that goes beyond “doing nothing” might be going too far.

  18. anonymous said on 27 Oct 2006 at 5:27 pm:
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    Incidentally, we didn’t get 30 million illegal aliens (or whatever the number is) in this country because people are doing the right thing.

    On the contrary, this problem happened and continues because (1) people look the other way and (2) some of them actively profit from it.

    Which of (1) or (2) applies to anyone against implementing 287(g)? That’s rhetorical.

  19. Andy H said on 27 Oct 2006 at 6:29 pm:
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    This is late in the thread but the meeting concerning the ICE program will start at 6:30. There is a council work session (which is open to the public) right before the town hall meeting and this item has been added to that agenda.

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