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MJM Sells Out To Mexicanos Sin Fronteras

By Greg L | 21 December 2006 | Zapatistas, Manassas City, Prince William County | 24 Comments

The Manassas Journal-Messenger published another article on the Section 287(g) program, this time focusing on the interest in the program expressed by jail superintendant Charles Land. Col. Land has reccomended to the Board of County Supervisors that jail personnel get training under the program, but the MJM had to flesh out all the potential negatives of the program and make sure readers know what they are.

Is the MJM exhibiting a clear bias against this program? Yesterday’s headline “Chief Against ICE Training” when he actually recommended the program might lead you to this conclusion. In today’s article they add credibility to this conclusion by interviewing Ricardo Juarez, coordinator for Mexicanos Sin Fronteras, and no one else outside of the police department.

This is the same Ricardo Juarez who spoke at citizen’s time at the BOCS meeting and referred to “my country, Mexico” during his statements to the board in regard to the Section 287(g) program. If an American citizen tried to lobby the Mexican government in Mexico he would be arrested. Ricardo Juarez is the leader for a Zapatista front group that contributes money and resources to the Zapatista Army of National Liberation in Mexico, and when they’re not lobbying for open borders and amnesty for illegal aliens they are support an armed insurrection in several provinces of Mexico conducted by the EZLN. Mexicanos Sin Fronteras should be classified as a terrorist organization and it’s leadership deported to Mexico rather than given prominent billing in the Manassas Journal-Messenger and an opportunity to tell our elected officials how our government should protect the interests of American citizens. This is outrageous.

I don’t have any idea why the Manassas Journal-Messenger is so intent on carrying water for Mexicanos Sin Fronteras, but it’s pretty disturbing to see the paper try to promote the agenda of these nutbags. Advertisers might want to consider the message their business supports.

Previous posts on Mexicanos Sin Fronteras:

Zapatistas In Prince William Update

Zapatista Update

Mexicanos Sin Fronteras On The March

Mexicanos Sin Fronteras Threatened War?

Jeanette Rishell, Unity In The Community, and the EZLN

The Zapatista Connection

Communists, Illegals and Reconquista, Oh My

UPDATE: NovaTownHall gives us another reason why a program like this makes so much sense.

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  1. Citizen Tom said on 21 Dec 2006 at 7:03 am:
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    Greg, while I am not against the Section 287(g) program, I am not especially excited by it either. What good does it do? The program is aimed at illegal immigrants who commit felonies. What are we going to do with those people? If we have any sense, we are not going to immediately send them back to their home country. Instead, we going to lock them in our jails. Not until these people reach the end of their jail terms will we kick them out of the country. So the practical of the Section 287(g) program effect is nil.

    Even if the program is fully implemented, it will have no effect on your average illegal immigrant. For this program to have any real effect, our police officers have to check out people whenever they stop them for relatively minor offenses. If they wait until someone has committed a serious crime, it is too little too late.

    Don’t waste your time worrying too about Manassas Journal-Messenger. Your average new organ has to find a teary-eyed crisis angle in every story. In this case, they worry the illegal immigrants will not trust the police and will find themselves preyed upon by organized crime, and of course, that will be the fault of those mean-spirited, grinchy conservatives. After all, every good story must have a horrible, nasty villain. Nothing new there.

    What the news media never bothers to notice is that the illegal immigrants would stay at home if we actually enforced our immigration laws. No crisis would exist. So why don’t we enforce our laws? Whose fault is that? The villain here is the same villain that has exploited slaves for time immemorial, basic human laziness and greed. Because they work hard and work cheap, too many of us enjoy exploiting illegal immigrants. Apparently, that includes people at the Manassas Journal-Messenger.

  2. Greg L said on 21 Dec 2006 at 9:36 am:
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    In most cases, unless the felon was connected to a gang and was apprehended by the Northern Virginia Gang Task Force, these felons would be released back into the community and NOT DEPORTED. Chief Deane and the jail administrator were unaware of a single instance of a deportation happening to a felon outside of the NVGTF at the meeting this week. Now local officials can get (perhaps) every one of those felons deported.

    I wish the program intended to do immigration checks on traffic stops. I agree that’s going to be very important. But this is a first step, and based on our experience with the program we can start looking at additional steps where we might eventually end up with comprehensive enforcement. This program used to be controversial, and in six months it’s now a no-brainer. It moves the ball down the field, demonstrating that politics is the art of the possible.

    After the program is implemented, and we get some success stories, then we can start talking about all those the program missed that should have been detained and deported.

    But right now we’ve made big progress. The “worst of the worst” are finally getting dealt with.

  3. Not Jack Herrity said on 21 Dec 2006 at 10:08 am:
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    Tom, many jail personnel miss the fact that their wards are illegal aliens, which allows these people to end up right back on the streets once their jail terms expire. Many jail superintendents and sheriffs across the nation have come around to the view that it is helpful for some of their staff to have training to spot illegal aliens and essentially act as the eyes and ears of ICE.

    The real benefit of 287(g) is for street cops. There is a real problem with MS13 and other bad-news types getting deported and coming right back in to the US to commit more street-level crime. 287(g) gives street cops one more arrow in their quiver to help get rid of these guys quickly. Street cops can identify many gangsters by sight, and combining this knowledge with the authority to act on that knowledge is a recipe for greater success.

    When they find out more about it, most departments think 287(g) is a finely tuned tool that they can use to help their citizens. Look at the about-face Herndon Police did when faced with the facts. This is not a bad program, it’s not about round-ups of otherwise “law-abiding” illegal aliens, and it’s not about Gestapo tactics. It’s about getting local cops in the game of helping the feds enforce the law. Since ICE has only 2,000 interior enforcement agents nationwide (as a basis of comparison, NYC has nearly 50,000 cops), it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that they need the help.


  4. Citizen Tom said on 21 Dec 2006 at 10:35 am:
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    As I said, I am not against the program. I just think it does not go far enough, and I think that has to change quickly.

    If the police can deport someone just because they think that person is a gang member, we will have lawyers challenging the program because of arbitrary enforcement, because it is “unfair.” That is stupid, but the news media will love it. Their complaints could tie the program up in knots with bureaucratic procedures.

    If this program is actually “successful,” we may hava a different problem; it could make illegal immigration more palatable. We will have removed the bad element. Of course, we will still have a bunch of uneducated, poor people flooding into the country overloading our “free” government services, but they will be nice uneducated, poor people. That will make the news media generated “crisis” more effective when we finally start sending the illegals back to their own homes.

  5. Not Jack Herrity said on 21 Dec 2006 at 10:57 am:
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    Deportation and exclusion proceedings are remarkably efficient when they are used. It is remarkably difficult for any lawyer to slow down the deportation of a gang member who’s previously been deported. Remember, deportation is an administrative process, not a criminal one. That means aliens are not entitled to court-appointed lawyers and they are not entitled to judicial review of a final order of deportation or exclusion. When used the right way, these processes are a thing of beauty.


  6. Andy H said on 21 Dec 2006 at 11:38 am:
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    If a person commits a crime, is arrested and found to be a convicted felon who was already successfully deported, the police/ADC can already process him/her with the ICE folks. 287(g) doesn’t change this.

    The real advantage of 287(g) to the localities is that it allows properly trained personnel to attempt to discern someone’s status without them having a prior felony arrest, conviction and deportation. Persons eligible for this course of action are usually limited to those who are eventually convicted of felonies.

    The way to think about this is that with 287(g) local police can have someone deported the first time they are convicted of a felony. Without it, they can only process repeat felons who have already been convicted and deported.

    As a final note, the big problem with the 287(g) program is the way it is charactarized by the media. They seem all too eager to get right to “papers please” when 287 really deals exclusively with criminals. Wether you are a friend or foe of illegal immigration, I don’t expect that you want violent criminals of any stripe wandering around.

  7. anonymous said on 21 Dec 2006 at 1:15 pm:
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    Did anyone who looked at this guy’s rap sheet notice that he got off on a driving with a suspended license?

    Methinks if you’re a legal citizen you can pretty much expect jail time for that. But, as we know, illegal aliens are a protected class.

  8. anonymous said on 21 Dec 2006 at 1:16 pm:
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    This rap sheet here:


  9. Gurduloo said on 21 Dec 2006 at 1:54 pm:
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    My brother in law got busted for driving on a suspended license and didn’t do any jail time. I think it’s considered a pretty minor offense.

  10. anonymous said on 21 Dec 2006 at 2:09 pm:
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    Not based on what I’ve seen in the Prince William County Court Case information system.

    If you drive on a suspended, expect jail time.

  11. Gurduloo said on 21 Dec 2006 at 2:11 pm:
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    I guess my brother in law is sitting in jail right now then?

  12. anonymous said on 21 Dec 2006 at 2:12 pm:
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    He got very lucky if he’s not.

  13. anonymous said on 21 Dec 2006 at 2:14 pm:
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    I spoke to Jackson Miller and he concurred with my observations about driving on a suspended and jail time.

    I figure he ought to know, being a PW County police officer.

  14. Citizenofmanassas said on 21 Dec 2006 at 2:16 pm:
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    It is easy to figure out why the MJM supports the illegals. The MJM now has a spanish languge newspaper. Would they sell many papers with an anti-illegal immigration stance? Nope, therefore, the MJM supports illegal immigration.

    Recall their “Get over It” editorial from this past summer. The editorial bascally said that if anyone was offended by the large number of foreign flags flying at the pro illegal immigration rallies, to get over it. It went on to say that only those offended by such flags were small minded etc.

    Well, unless a crime of an illegal hits close to home at the MJM, I doubt the paper will have a change of opinion.

  15. Gurduloo said on 21 Dec 2006 at 2:17 pm:
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    Gee… I spoke to my brother in law… and he’s not in jail. He just had to pay a fine. He didn’t even have to go to court for it. Doesn’t sound like luck to me.

  16. anonymous said on 21 Dec 2006 at 2:19 pm:
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    I think it’s funny how the MJM used to allow comments on more stories related to illegal aliens than they do now.

    They also more heavily moderate the comments on the stories where they still allow them.

    I guess it’s because the illegal-alien appologist comments were vastly outnumbered..

  17. anonymous said on 21 Dec 2006 at 2:23 pm:
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    Then he wasn’t charged with driving on a suspended license. Driving on a suspended license is a Class 1 misdemeanor which means you MUST go to court. It is the same as reckless driving–both are Class 1 misdemeanors. You cannot simply pay a fine.

    B. Except as provided in §§ 46.2-304 and 46.2-357, no resident or nonresident (i) whose driver’s license, learner’s permit, or privilege to drive a motor vehicle has been suspended or revoked or (ii) who has been directed not to drive by any court or by the Commissioner, or (iii) who has been forbidden, as prescribed by operation of any statute of the Commonwealth or a substantially similar ordinance of any county, city or town, to operate a motor vehicle in the Commonwealth shall thereafter drive any motor vehicle or any self-propelled machinery or equipment on any highway in the Commonwealth until the period of such suspension or revocation has terminated or the privilege has been reinstated. A clerk’s notice of suspension of license for failure to pay fines or costs given in accordance with § 46.2-395 shall be sufficient notice for the purpose of maintaining a conviction under this section. For the purposes of this section, the phrase “motor vehicle or any self-propelled machinery or equipment” shall not include mopeds.

    C. A violation of subsection B is a Class 1 misdemeanor. A third or subsequent offense occurring within a 10-year period shall include a mandatory minimum term of confinement in jail of 10 days. However, the court shall not be required to impose a mandatory minimum term of confinement in any case where a motor vehicle is operated in violation of this section in a situation of apparent extreme emergency which requires such operation to save life or limb.

  18. anonymous said on 21 Dec 2006 at 2:25 pm:
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    Oh, while I’m on the subject, a Class 1 misdemeanor is punishable by up to 1 year in jail and/or a $2500 fine.

  19. Big Dog said on 21 Dec 2006 at 2:35 pm:
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    I’m for 287(g), but Citizen Tom is right folks -
    don’t over expect - this isn’t the Great Solution.

    Another angle is that the convicted individual must
    be “papered up” in their country of origin - and most
    countries don’t place a high priority on these bad
    guys returning to them.

  20. anonymous said on 21 Dec 2006 at 2:37 pm:
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    Just air-drop ‘em with a parachute.

  21. Greg L said on 21 Dec 2006 at 2:49 pm:
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    I heard a story — not sure if it’s true — where a central american nation was reluctant to accept their nationals back who had been deported. ICE got the USAF to fly them all in a C-130 down to one of their airports, they made a landing without permission from the tower, and literally threw them all off the ramp of the aircraft at the bottom of the runway. The aircraft then took off and returned home.

    Not a bad training mission, although most of the time tactical airlifts like this would have infantry in the aircraft that they would want to recover after a mission. After a couple of these drop-offs I’ll bet the nation(s) involved start negotiating, as it must really drive them nuts to have folks dropped off without warning on the tarmac like this.

    I can imagine seeing this happen in a place like Trujillo, Honduras. With no tower and a dirt strip that’s crossed by a road, this would be very doable. About the only hazard would be local residents crossing the runway while the aircraft is on final, which I’ve seen. If you offloaded a gaggle of deportees it would take at least a half hour for the local military unit or police force to respond, by which time the aircraft would have been long gone.

  22. Jackson Miller said on 21 Dec 2006 at 6:19 pm:
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    Citizen Tom, The program does not necessarily only target people who commit felonies. It “can” also be used to deport illegal immigrants who commit misdemeanors, as well as illegal immigrants who are chronic offenders of very petty crimes (such as some of the homeless illegal immigrants who are arrested dozens of times for being drunk in public. Your classic town drunk types. the chronic drunk in public subject is not necessarily a dangerous person or the “worst of the worst” but they are a huge drain on our resources.)

    How the program is used depends upon how the agreement is reached between I.C.E. and the participating locality. Apparently the M.O.U. between the participating locality and Homeland Security can be different from locality to locality.

    I will say as I have said already, this program makes perfect sense. Yes its only a small step, (for a huge problem) but its the right step.

    BTW, anonymous and Gurduloo - In many cases there is no jail sentence for being convicted for driving on a suspended license. Especially first time offenders. However in many cases jail time is handed down. It depends on the circumstances of the case and the Judge.

    Greg, sorry its been a couple of weeks since I’ve had time to check out your blog. as usual the reading is fun.

  23. anonymous said on 21 Dec 2006 at 7:33 pm:
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    If I had walked into court with Jose Santos Sibrian Espinoza’s record I would’ve gotten the book thrown at me. Guaranteed.

  24. Citizen Tom said on 22 Dec 2006 at 6:17 am:
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    Jackson Miller, thanks for the comment.

    I appreciate your conservatism and the fact you raised the issue of illegal immigration in your last election. Although I am represented in the General Assembly by other folks, I was rooting for you, and I congratulate on your victory.

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