Comments on: The Faisal Gill Affair http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/01/09/the-faisal-gill-affair/ Blog-Fu for Prince William, Manassas and Manassas Park politics. Mon, 13 Feb 2012 12:14:45 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.3 By: James Young http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/01/09/the-faisal-gill-affair/#comment-5789 James Young Thu, 11 Jan 2007 17:48:44 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/01/09/the-faisal-gill-affair/#comment-5789 I wouldn't know, AWCheney, since I was not at that convention.  I have no reason to question your assertion. Once again, however, you miss the point, which is to reject the guilt by association rhetoric here. By your example, if true, you demonstrate the folly and danger of such behavior, as well as your inability to understand the point. And BTW, there is a rather large difference between "common knowledge" and a "common course of conduct," or "talking points." What you cite as "common knowledge" of my purported "obsession with Sean Connaughton" is more properly understood as the common excuse of those among Connaughton sycophants who lack a better answer to my criticisms of his policies, illicit practices, and overweening ambition. Indeed, the only point in citing him as an example is in the fact that it is my impression that his sycophants are among the same people attacking Faisal Gill --- indeed, likely because of his role as a leader in the Taxpayers Alliance --- and yet probably overlook like behavior. [Ed note: comment has been edited.] I wouldn’t know, AWCheney, since I was not at that convention.  I have no reason to question your assertion. Once again, however, you miss the point, which is to reject the guilt by association rhetoric here. By your example, if true, you demonstrate the folly and danger of such behavior, as well as your inability to understand the point.

And BTW, there is a rather large difference between “common knowledge” and a “common course of conduct,” or “talking points.” What you cite as “common knowledge” of my purported “obsession with Sean Connaughton” is more properly understood as the common excuse of those among Connaughton sycophants who lack a better answer to my criticisms of his policies, illicit practices, and overweening ambition. Indeed, the only point in citing him as an example is in the fact that it is my impression that his sycophants are among the same people attacking Faisal Gill — indeed, likely because of his role as a leader in the Taxpayers Alliance — and yet probably overlook like behavior.

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]]> By: James Young http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/01/09/the-faisal-gill-affair/#comment-5772 James Young Thu, 11 Jan 2007 03:24:45 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/01/09/the-faisal-gill-affair/#comment-5772 Greg, if you're going to edit my comments, please do so well. You forgot to remove an article: "the." ;-) Greg, if you’re going to edit my comments, please do so well. You forgot to remove an article: “the.” ;-)

]]> By: AWCheney http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/01/09/the-faisal-gill-affair/#comment-5770 AWCheney Thu, 11 Jan 2007 02:41:23 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/01/09/the-faisal-gill-affair/#comment-5770 "In May 2004, Connaughton attempted to pack a room with — among others — many Muslims who had never participated in GOP activities in order to hijack the Prince William County GOP Committee,..." These wouldn't, by any chance, be the same Muslim-Americans that Bob FitzSimmonds used to pack the PWCRC Convention when he was last seeking the nomination for the 29th Senate District seat, would it? Insofar as your obsession with Sean Connaughton James...that falls under the heading of "common knowledge" for anyone that has ever read a blog upon which you have commented. I really don't think that you would want to see some of your comments on that subject quoted here...it might be a little embarrassing. [Ed Note: comment edited] “In May 2004, Connaughton attempted to pack a room with — among others — many Muslims who had never participated in GOP activities in order to hijack the Prince William County GOP Committee,…”

These wouldn’t, by any chance, be the same Muslim-Americans that Bob FitzSimmonds used to pack the PWCRC Convention when he was last seeking the nomination for the 29th Senate District seat, would it? Insofar as your obsession with Sean Connaughton James…that falls under the heading of “common knowledge” for anyone that has ever read a blog upon which you have commented. I really don’t think that you would want to see some of your comments on that subject quoted here…it might be a little embarrassing.

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]]> By: Some Answers? « Virginia Virtucon http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/01/09/the-faisal-gill-affair/#comment-5769 Some Answers? « Virginia Virtucon Thu, 11 Jan 2007 01:47:21 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/01/09/the-faisal-gill-affair/#comment-5769 [...] January 10, 2007 Posted by Riley, Not O'Reilly in 2007 Elections, Prince William County Politics. trackback Recently, Greg L. over on Black Velvet Bruce Li has raised some concerns over Faisal Gill, apotential GOP candidate for the open 51st House of Delegates District.  Faisal has provided Virtucon with copies of some documents that may help provide answers to at least some of the questions that Greg has raised. [...] […] January 10, 2007 Posted by Riley, Not O’Reilly in 2007 Elections, Prince William County Politics. trackback Recently, Greg L. over on Black Velvet Bruce Li has raised some concerns over Faisal Gill, apotential GOP candidate for the open 51st House of Delegates District.  Faisal has provided Virtucon with copies of some documents that may help provide answers to at least some of the questions that Greg has raised. […]

]]> By: James Young http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/01/09/the-faisal-gill-affair/#comment-5760 James Young Thu, 11 Jan 2007 00:15:08 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/01/09/the-faisal-gill-affair/#comment-5760 It also demonstrates the absurdity of guilt-by-association tactics by applying them in a like manner. Obviously, irony is lost on Anke. [Ed note: post has been edited] It also demonstrates the absurdity of guilt-by-association tactics by applying them in a like manner. Obviously, irony is lost on Anke.

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]]> By: James Young http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/01/09/the-faisal-gill-affair/#comment-5759 James Young Thu, 11 Jan 2007 00:12:58 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/01/09/the-faisal-gill-affair/#comment-5759 Mr. Mark, you will perhaps forgive an "inside baseball" reference to which you were not privy. In May 2004, Connaughton attempted to pack a room with --- among others --- many Muslims who had never participated in GOP activities in order to hijack the Prince William County GOP Committee, in anticipation of his run for Lieutenant Governor, because some local Republican leaders were not sufficiently enthusiastic about his statewide ambitions. Why someone claiming to be as well-informed as the Anke Cheney would dismiss this as "a tendency to be obsessed with Sean Connaughton" merely demonstrates that she is not so well-informed as she pretends to be. [Ed note: post has been edited] Mr. Mark, you will perhaps forgive an “inside baseball” reference to which you were not privy. In May 2004, Connaughton attempted to pack a room with — among others — many Muslims who had never participated in GOP activities in order to hijack the Prince William County GOP Committee, in anticipation of his run for Lieutenant Governor, because some local Republican leaders were not sufficiently enthusiastic about his statewide ambitions.

Why someone claiming to be as well-informed as the Anke Cheney would dismiss this as “a tendency to be obsessed with Sean Connaughton” merely demonstrates that she is not so well-informed as she pretends to be.

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]]> By: Citizen Tom http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/01/09/the-faisal-gill-affair/#comment-5757 Citizen Tom Wed, 10 Jan 2007 23:39:41 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/01/09/the-faisal-gill-affair/#comment-5757 10thdistrictrepublican -- Don't be so sensitive. One does not have to be a fool to be fooled. The world is full of smudge pots. I fear we all have one. Sometime we blow smoke to confuse others; sometime we blow smoke to hide the truth from ourselves. I suspect only a saint has the courage to go without a smoke screen, but only God can see the world as it is. Frankly, I think we have more important things to worry about than the scrutiny we will see from the Democrats. Even where there is nothing to find, as in this case, many of them will find something. Too many Democrats, no matter how sterling the reputation of our candidate, will thoroughly convince themselves they have found something. If our candidate is a conservative Republican, won't that be all the proof they need? 10thdistrictrepublican — Don’t be so sensitive. One does not have to be a fool to be fooled.

The world is full of smudge pots. I fear we all have one. Sometime we blow smoke to confuse others; sometime we blow smoke to hide the truth from ourselves. I suspect only a saint has the courage to go without a smoke screen, but only God can see the world as it is.

Frankly, I think we have more important things to worry about than the scrutiny we will see from the Democrats. Even where there is nothing to find, as in this case, many of them will find something. Too many Democrats, no matter how sterling the reputation of our candidate, will thoroughly convince themselves they have found something. If our candidate is a conservative Republican, won’t that be all the proof they need?

]]> By: 10thdistrictrepublican http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/01/09/the-faisal-gill-affair/#comment-5752 10thdistrictrepublican Wed, 10 Jan 2007 20:12:27 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/01/09/the-faisal-gill-affair/#comment-5752 Citizen Tom, If you are implying I am a "fool" than you are sorely mistaken. I definitely know the "history" here. This is NOTHING like the scrutiny you will see when the dems get ahold of him. If name calling is the best you can do than you guys are in for a long hard road. Citizen Tom,

If you are implying I am a “fool” than you are sorely mistaken. I definitely know the “history” here. This is NOTHING like the scrutiny you will see when the dems get ahold of him. If name calling is the best you can do than you guys are in for a long hard road.

]]> By: Citizen Tom http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/01/09/the-faisal-gill-affair/#comment-5751 Citizen Tom Wed, 10 Jan 2007 19:21:39 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/01/09/the-faisal-gill-affair/#comment-5751 10thdistrictrepublican -- You might want to consider the difference between smoke produced to make a smoke screen and smoke produced when your house is on fire. In one case the smoke is produced in order to make a fool of you. In the other case, you need to take proper notice. 10thdistrictrepublican — You might want to consider the difference between smoke produced to make a smoke screen and smoke produced when your house is on fire. In one case the smoke is produced in order to make a fool of you. In the other case, you need to take proper notice.

]]> By: 10thdistrictrepublican http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/01/09/the-faisal-gill-affair/#comment-5749 10thdistrictrepublican Wed, 10 Jan 2007 18:04:01 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/01/09/the-faisal-gill-affair/#comment-5749 I would like to here what Malkin thinks about Gill now. In my opinion there are way too many questions than answers. A Gill nomination would appear to guarantee the dems an extra seat in the GA with all the controversy and potential past baggage. Any association with Norquist is not good at this point with the questions that surround him as well. These questions are important because this will be nothing compared to the barrage of questions he will be recieving from the Dems if he is nominated. Is this fair? Probably not, but this is politics as usual. I would like to here what Malkin thinks about Gill now. In my opinion there are way too many questions than answers. A Gill nomination would appear to guarantee the dems an extra seat in the GA with all the controversy and potential past baggage. Any association with Norquist is not good at this point with the questions that surround him as well. These questions are important because this will be nothing compared to the barrage of questions he will be recieving from the Dems if he is nominated. Is this fair? Probably not, but this is politics as usual.

]]> By: Citizen Tom http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/01/09/the-faisal-gill-affair/#comment-5742 Citizen Tom Wed, 10 Jan 2007 11:18:00 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/01/09/the-faisal-gill-affair/#comment-5742 FOX News provided reports on this affair. FOX's coverage post dates Greg's primary references, and no news agency of note has had much to say about this subject since then. I have links to FOX's articles on web site. http://www.citizentom.com/2007/01/more-on-the-trial-of-faisal-gill-in.html FOX News provided reports on this affair. FOX’s coverage post dates Greg’s primary references, and no news agency of note has had much to say about this subject since then.

I have links to FOX’s articles on web site. http://www.citizentom.com/2007/01/more-on-the-trial-of-faisal-gill-in.html

]]> By: Denny Daugherty http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/01/09/the-faisal-gill-affair/#comment-5741 Denny Daugherty Wed, 10 Jan 2007 06:22:19 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/01/09/the-faisal-gill-affair/#comment-5741 Some commenters seem to put a lot of weight on the fact that conservative journalist Michele Malkin wrote critically of Faisal Gill. I encourage you to check the dates of the three Malkin writings--all 2004 before the completion of the Inspector General's investigation that exonerated Gill of the accusations she repeated. Malkin can be excused for reporting allegations before they were disproved. There is no excuse for BVBL repeating the accusations after they have been investigated and found erroneous. Incredibly Greg ignores the conclusions of a federal inspector general by asserting, without evidence, that the I.G. caved into political pressure. Anyone familiar with the inspector general system knows that it was designed for the very purpose of insuring freedom from political pressure. Basically Greg is blaming Faisal for accepting a contract to work for the successors of a man who later committed a serious crime. Faisal tells me he had little contact with Mr. Alamoudi, who had moved on to other interests. Not surprisingly, he was not so clairvoyant as to know, before accepting the position, that one day the founder of the organization would engage in a criminal act. As noted by many others, this is guilt by association taken to the extreme. Some commenters seem to put a lot of weight on the fact that conservative journalist Michele Malkin wrote critically of Faisal Gill. I encourage you to check the dates of the three Malkin writings–all 2004 before the completion of the Inspector General’s investigation that exonerated Gill of the accusations she repeated.

Malkin can be excused for reporting allegations before they were disproved. There is no excuse for BVBL repeating the accusations after they have been investigated and found erroneous. Incredibly Greg ignores the conclusions of a federal inspector general by asserting, without evidence, that the I.G. caved into political pressure. Anyone familiar with the inspector general system knows that it was designed for the very purpose of insuring freedom from political pressure.

Basically Greg is blaming Faisal for accepting a contract to work for the successors of a man who later committed a serious crime. Faisal tells me he had little contact with Mr. Alamoudi, who had moved on to other interests. Not surprisingly, he was not so clairvoyant as to know, before accepting the position, that one day the founder of the organization would engage in a criminal act. As noted by many others, this is guilt by association taken to the extreme.

]]> By: charles http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/01/09/the-faisal-gill-affair/#comment-5739 charles Wed, 10 Jan 2007 05:13:41 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/01/09/the-faisal-gill-affair/#comment-5739 The distinction as to who is your employer is not a technical one, but a factual one. The form requires you to list your employers, and to list someone who is NOT your employer would be wrong. As I said in the other thread, democrats aren't going after Faisel for being a muslim, so it won't be a problem, unless bigoted republicans do the job for them. The distinction as to who is your employer is not a technical one, but a factual one. The form requires you to list your employers, and to list someone who is NOT your employer would be wrong.

As I said in the other thread, democrats aren’t going after Faisel for being a muslim, so it won’t be a problem, unless bigoted republicans do the job for them.

]]> By: charles http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/01/09/the-faisal-gill-affair/#comment-5738 charles Wed, 10 Jan 2007 05:11:54 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/01/09/the-faisal-gill-affair/#comment-5738 Greg. What evidence to you have to support the allegation that Grover Norquist lobbied the White house on Faisel's behalf, or your claim that the dismissal of all the allegations was due to political influence? It's easy enough to say it, but none of your sources have any actual facts to back up those allegations. So what is your evidence, or are you simply repeating things and making stuff up? Greg.

What evidence to you have to support the allegation that Grover Norquist lobbied the White house on Faisel’s behalf, or your claim that the dismissal of all the allegations was due to political influence?

It’s easy enough to say it, but none of your sources have any actual facts to back up those allegations. So what is your evidence, or are you simply repeating things and making stuff up?

]]> By: AWCheney http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/01/09/the-faisal-gill-affair/#comment-5737 AWCheney Wed, 10 Jan 2007 04:36:03 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/01/09/the-faisal-gill-affair/#comment-5737 Mr. Mark, James Young has a tendency to be obsessed with Sean Connaughton...you must forgive him. If he could somehow link Sean to the tragedy of 9/11, without seeming more absurd than he already does, he would most certainly have done so. Mr. Mark, James Young has a tendency to be obsessed with Sean Connaughton…you must forgive him. If he could somehow link Sean to the tragedy of 9/11, without seeming more absurd than he already does, he would most certainly have done so.

]]> By: Jonathan Mark http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/01/09/the-faisal-gill-affair/#comment-5736 Jonathan Mark Wed, 10 Jan 2007 03:23:11 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/01/09/the-faisal-gill-affair/#comment-5736 """Gee, “10thdistrictrepublican,” then I suppose you must be very upset with Sean Connaughton’s relationship with such groups. """ What relationship with what groups? With the American Muslim Council? CAIR? The Safa Group? What has Connaughton done or not done? “”"Gee, “10thdistrictrepublican,” then I suppose you must be very upset with Sean Connaughton’s relationship with such groups. “”"

What relationship with what groups? With the American Muslim Council? CAIR? The Safa Group? What has Connaughton done or not done?

]]> By: 10thdistrictrepublican http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/01/09/the-faisal-gill-affair/#comment-5733 10thdistrictrepublican Tue, 09 Jan 2007 22:00:07 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/01/09/the-faisal-gill-affair/#comment-5733 I have said it once and I'll clarify it again James, I am NOT pleased with ANY Republican or Democrats relationships with these groups. I am especially disappointed with the social conservative relationships with the groups because they should know better. I have said it once and I’ll clarify it again James, I am NOT pleased with ANY Republican or Democrats relationships with these groups. I am especially disappointed with the social conservative relationships with the groups because they should know better.

]]> By: James Young http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/01/09/the-faisal-gill-affair/#comment-5731 James Young Tue, 09 Jan 2007 21:41:12 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/01/09/the-faisal-gill-affair/#comment-5731 Gee, "10thdistrictrepublican," then I suppose you must be very upset with Sean Connaughton's relationship with such groups. Gee, “10thdistrictrepublican,” then I suppose you must be very upset with Sean Connaughton’s relationship with such groups.

]]> By: 10thdistrictrepublican http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/01/09/the-faisal-gill-affair/#comment-5726 10thdistrictrepublican Tue, 09 Jan 2007 18:48:01 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/01/09/the-faisal-gill-affair/#comment-5726 I have said this before and this does not pertain to Gill himself in particular but I am definitely not comfortable with some of the social conservative relationships with these Muslim groups. Even the dems gave back their money from these type of organizations. I have said this before and this does not pertain to Gill himself in particular but I am definitely not comfortable with some of the social conservative relationships with these Muslim groups. Even the dems gave back their money from these type of organizations.

]]> By: James Young http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/01/09/the-faisal-gill-affair/#comment-5724 James Young Tue, 09 Jan 2007 18:26:47 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/01/09/the-faisal-gill-affair/#comment-5724 After Bill Clinton, is ANYBODY "unelectable"? After Bill Clinton, is ANYBODY “unelectable”?

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