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	<title>Comments on: Faisal Gill Pulls A Chapman</title>
	<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/01/31/faisal-gill-pulls-a-chapman/</link>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/01/31/faisal-gill-pulls-a-chapman/#comment-6594</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Feb 2007 01:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/01/31/faisal-gill-pulls-a-chapman/#comment-6594</guid>
		<description>No, we have a group of self-interested individuals who want to put Gill over. They have their agendas. 

You seem to know Gill. You say you know Gill's patron, Grover Norquist.  You are irrationally insistent that Gill's having worked as chief lobbyist for the imprisoned terrorist Alamoudi, while Alamoudi was committing his crimes, while or after Alamoudi proclaimed his support for Hamas and Hezbollah, is insignificant.

That is your story. You are sticking to it. But why are you sticking to it? A reasonable person would conclude that Gill's job as Alamoudi's lobbyist was to push Alamoudi's agenda. That agenda is a radical jihadist one. 

Asim Ghafoor, who I suspect you also know, has openly stated on two occasions his goal of turning America into an Islamic state.

And you insist that Ghafoor, who is Gill's law partner now, and through whom AMC contracted Gill's lobbying services in 2001, is irrelevant. Why does Ghafoor, an acknowledged Islamist, keep popping up over a five year period where Gill is?

You do not have clean hands on this matter. You are involved with Gill and Norquist and probably Ghafoor behind the scenes. That is the only explanation I can see for your irrationality, your delusional insistence that it doesn't matter what Gill did or did not do FOR A CONVICTED TERRORIST WHO WAS COMMITTING HIS CRIMES WHILE GILL LOBBIED FOR HIM.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, we have a group of self-interested individuals who want to put Gill over. They have their agendas. </p>
<p>You seem to know Gill. You say you know Gill&#8217;s patron, Grover Norquist.  You are irrationally insistent that Gill&#8217;s having worked as chief lobbyist for the imprisoned terrorist Alamoudi, while Alamoudi was committing his crimes, while or after Alamoudi proclaimed his support for Hamas and Hezbollah, is insignificant.</p>
<p>That is your story. You are sticking to it. But why are you sticking to it? A reasonable person would conclude that Gill&#8217;s job as Alamoudi&#8217;s lobbyist was to push Alamoudi&#8217;s agenda. That agenda is a radical jihadist one. </p>
<p>Asim Ghafoor, who I suspect you also know, has openly stated on two occasions his goal of turning America into an Islamic state.</p>
<p>And you insist that Ghafoor, who is Gill&#8217;s law partner now, and through whom AMC contracted Gill&#8217;s lobbying services in 2001, is irrelevant. Why does Ghafoor, an acknowledged Islamist, keep popping up over a five year period where Gill is?</p>
<p>You do not have clean hands on this matter. You are involved with Gill and Norquist and probably Ghafoor behind the scenes. That is the only explanation I can see for your irrationality, your delusional insistence that it doesn&#8217;t matter what Gill did or did not do FOR A CONVICTED TERRORIST WHO WAS COMMITTING HIS CRIMES WHILE GILL LOBBIED FOR HIM.</p>
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		<title>By: James Young</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/01/31/faisal-gill-pulls-a-chapman/#comment-6592</link>
		<dc:creator>James Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 23:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/01/31/faisal-gill-pulls-a-chapman/#comment-6592</guid>
		<description>Jonathan, all that you managed to demonstrate with that last comment is that you've jumped the shark.

But thanks for confirming what most reasonable people should have suspected all along: you're insane.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan, all that you managed to demonstrate with that last comment is that you&#8217;ve jumped the shark.</p>
<p>But thanks for confirming what most reasonable people should have suspected all along: you&#8217;re insane.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/01/31/faisal-gill-pulls-a-chapman/#comment-6579</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 19:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/01/31/faisal-gill-pulls-a-chapman/#comment-6579</guid>
		<description>James Young seems very involved in this matter. How well does he know Gill? Is he  or has he ever been representing Gill  in any criminal or civil matter?

I am not convinced that James Young is sufficiently distant from Gill to have clean hands in this matter.

At this point we do need to ask James Young: Asim Ghafoor's contracting firm was Gill's nominal employer when Gill worked as the AMCs chief lobbyist. Ghafoor is currently Gill's law partner. 

Does James Young oppose Ghafoor's proposals to create an Islamic state in the US, with Moslems at least subject to Sharia law and non-Moslems reduced to dhimmi status? 

Is James Young at all concerned that Ghafoor was Gill's nominal employer while Gill worked for the AMC in 2001, and is Gill's law partner now? 

If Gill becomes a Delegate then would Gill's law practice, and therefore that of his partner Asim Ghafoor, benefit? Is James Young comfortable assisting Asim Ghafoor, directly or indirectly, in his attempts to institute sharia law in the US? 

Has James Young ever met Asim Ghafoor? Alamoudi? Gill and Alamoudi together? Has James Young ever discussed Gill with Norquist? Norquist with Gill?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James Young seems very involved in this matter. How well does he know Gill? Is he  or has he ever been representing Gill  in any criminal or civil matter?</p>
<p>I am not convinced that James Young is sufficiently distant from Gill to have clean hands in this matter.</p>
<p>At this point we do need to ask James Young: Asim Ghafoor&#8217;s contracting firm was Gill&#8217;s nominal employer when Gill worked as the AMCs chief lobbyist. Ghafoor is currently Gill&#8217;s law partner. </p>
<p>Does James Young oppose Ghafoor&#8217;s proposals to create an Islamic state in the US, with Moslems at least subject to Sharia law and non-Moslems reduced to dhimmi status? </p>
<p>Is James Young at all concerned that Ghafoor was Gill&#8217;s nominal employer while Gill worked for the AMC in 2001, and is Gill&#8217;s law partner now? </p>
<p>If Gill becomes a Delegate then would Gill&#8217;s law practice, and therefore that of his partner Asim Ghafoor, benefit? Is James Young comfortable assisting Asim Ghafoor, directly or indirectly, in his attempts to institute sharia law in the US? </p>
<p>Has James Young ever met Asim Ghafoor? Alamoudi? Gill and Alamoudi together? Has James Young ever discussed Gill with Norquist? Norquist with Gill?</p>
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		<title>By: Batson D. Belfrey</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/01/31/faisal-gill-pulls-a-chapman/#comment-6578</link>
		<dc:creator>Batson D. Belfrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 19:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/01/31/faisal-gill-pulls-a-chapman/#comment-6578</guid>
		<description>"what is next? you gonna accuse president Bush(senior) for supporting Talibans. He had taliban delegation visit white house. Talibans were “freedom fighters”, they got thier training,weapons and funds from usa. So should we hold papa bush responsible for supporting them?"

Who the hell is typing this? Tonto? I hope this is a product of our public school system. Kimosabe in heap big trouble!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;what is next? you gonna accuse president Bush(senior) for supporting Talibans. He had taliban delegation visit white house. Talibans were “freedom fighters”, they got thier training,weapons and funds from usa. So should we hold papa bush responsible for supporting them?&#8221;</p>
<p>Who the hell is typing this? Tonto? I hope this is a product of our public school system. Kimosabe in heap big trouble!</p>
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		<title>By: Batson D. Belfrey</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/01/31/faisal-gill-pulls-a-chapman/#comment-6576</link>
		<dc:creator>Batson D. Belfrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 18:47:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/01/31/faisal-gill-pulls-a-chapman/#comment-6576</guid>
		<description>“Batson,” I didn’t think you were interested in the opinion of someone you dismiss as a “slip-and-fall lawyer,” so why should I bother?

No, actually I am. From time to time you do make a point or two that I have to agree with.  Your point about the NFL player that you represented is an example. You should bother because you are debating the merits of the charges against Gil, and you think that he is being treated unfairly. I asked you an honest question. Right or wrong, does this impact his electability? 

I believe it does, and I am looking at it from a purely pragmatic view. Issues are what SHOULD be discussed. However, you know as well as I that campaigns rarely focus only on the issues. You brought up Dion's sexual orientation on this and other blogs. I did the same thing. His divorce, living arrangements, custody status and even his being a cub-scout leader were all brought up, and I am sure that it influenced a few voters. At the very least, it helped motivate Reublicans to vote.

This is just the way it is. I think that the Dems are salivating at the chance to face Gil. I believe that the lack of an announced Democrat candidate is a sign that they are waiting to see who the nominee is. I think that the treatment that Gil has received on Republican blogs pales in comparison to what the Liberal blogs will do to him.

So, what do you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Batson,” I didn’t think you were interested in the opinion of someone you dismiss as a “slip-and-fall lawyer,” so why should I bother?</p>
<p>No, actually I am. From time to time you do make a point or two that I have to agree with.  Your point about the NFL player that you represented is an example. You should bother because you are debating the merits of the charges against Gil, and you think that he is being treated unfairly. I asked you an honest question. Right or wrong, does this impact his electability? </p>
<p>I believe it does, and I am looking at it from a purely pragmatic view. Issues are what SHOULD be discussed. However, you know as well as I that campaigns rarely focus only on the issues. You brought up Dion&#8217;s sexual orientation on this and other blogs. I did the same thing. His divorce, living arrangements, custody status and even his being a cub-scout leader were all brought up, and I am sure that it influenced a few voters. At the very least, it helped motivate Reublicans to vote.</p>
<p>This is just the way it is. I think that the Dems are salivating at the chance to face Gil. I believe that the lack of an announced Democrat candidate is a sign that they are waiting to see who the nominee is. I think that the treatment that Gil has received on Republican blogs pales in comparison to what the Liberal blogs will do to him.</p>
<p>So, what do you think?</p>
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		<title>By: James Young</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/01/31/faisal-gill-pulls-a-chapman/#comment-6571</link>
		<dc:creator>James Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 18:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/01/31/faisal-gill-pulls-a-chapman/#comment-6571</guid>
		<description>"Batson," I didn't think you were interested in the opinion of someone you dismiss as a "slip-and-fall lawyer," so why should I bother?

Greg, perhaps there is a "qualitative difference," but unless you can come up with SOME evidence of wrongdoing by Faisal, your charges are approaching just about as substantive as some of your prior claims against He Who Shall Remain Nameless.  You ascribe to him knowledge with little or no understanding of his representation, or of the walls that Alamoudi built around his various behaviors.  By way of example, I represented Terry in a Right to Work case against the NFLPA.  He later appeared at a fundraiser for my candidacy for School Board.  I had utterly no knowledge of his post-football professional activities, and ascribing to me such knowledge is utterly specious.  Nothing more than guilt by association.  This sounds a lot like the "case" against Faisal.

And it's a "case" that you're all too willing to believe, for perhaps understandable personal reasons.  That your most ardent cheering section in this regard consists of a Democrat and people highly resentful of Faisal's role in Chapman's nearly-successful run against Harry Parrish should be a clue to you that these charges cross the line from reasonable questions about "electability" into an effort to grasp at any straw by embittered prigs eager to pursue their childish grudge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Batson,&#8221; I didn&#8217;t think you were interested in the opinion of someone you dismiss as a &#8220;slip-and-fall lawyer,&#8221; so why should I bother?</p>
<p>Greg, perhaps there is a &#8220;qualitative difference,&#8221; but unless you can come up with SOME evidence of wrongdoing by Faisal, your charges are approaching just about as substantive as some of your prior claims against He Who Shall Remain Nameless.  You ascribe to him knowledge with little or no understanding of his representation, or of the walls that Alamoudi built around his various behaviors.  By way of example, I represented Terry in a Right to Work case against the NFLPA.  He later appeared at a fundraiser for my candidacy for School Board.  I had utterly no knowledge of his post-football professional activities, and ascribing to me such knowledge is utterly specious.  Nothing more than guilt by association.  This sounds a lot like the &#8220;case&#8221; against Faisal.</p>
<p>And it&#8217;s a &#8220;case&#8221; that you&#8217;re all too willing to believe, for perhaps understandable personal reasons.  That your most ardent cheering section in this regard consists of a Democrat and people highly resentful of Faisal&#8217;s role in Chapman&#8217;s nearly-successful run against Harry Parrish should be a clue to you that these charges cross the line from reasonable questions about &#8220;electability&#8221; into an effort to grasp at any straw by embittered prigs eager to pursue their childish grudge.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/01/31/faisal-gill-pulls-a-chapman/#comment-6570</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 17:53:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/01/31/faisal-gill-pulls-a-chapman/#comment-6570</guid>
		<description>"""what is next? you gonna accuse president Bush(senior) for supporting Talibans."""

No, because Bush senior is an old man and is not running for office. Someone else could reasonably accuse him, though.

"""He had taliban delegation visit white house."""

Unusually bad grammar, suggesting that English is not the author's first language.

"""Talibans were “freedom fighters”, they got thier training,weapons and funds from usa. So should we hold papa bush responsible for supporting them?"""

Yes. However, Bush senior is retired from politics and I guess is in his 80s. I have no interest in criticizing him in 2007.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8221;"what is next? you gonna accuse president Bush(senior) for supporting Talibans.&#8221;"&#8221;</p>
<p>No, because Bush senior is an old man and is not running for office. Someone else could reasonably accuse him, though.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8221;"He had taliban delegation visit white house.&#8221;"&#8221;</p>
<p>Unusually bad grammar, suggesting that English is not the author&#8217;s first language.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8221;"Talibans were “freedom fighters”, they got thier training,weapons and funds from usa. So should we hold papa bush responsible for supporting them?&#8221;"&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes. However, Bush senior is retired from politics and I guess is in his 80s. I have no interest in criticizing him in 2007.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/01/31/faisal-gill-pulls-a-chapman/#comment-6569</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 17:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/01/31/faisal-gill-pulls-a-chapman/#comment-6569</guid>
		<description>"""Wow, Jonathan! That’s quite a stretch. From lobbyist in 2001 to “terrorist sympathizer.”"""

From chief lobbyist for a terrorist in 2001 to "terrorist sympathizer." I.e, Gill sympathized with Alamoudi the terrorist. That is why he was the terrorist's lobbyists. 

"""Gee, I’d better do an inventory. I represented Redskin Terry Orr in 1993 and 1994. A few years later, he pled guilty to and served time for a financial crime. Guess that makes me a “financial-crimes sympathizer.”"""

Were you Terry Orr's chief lobbyist while he engaged in the criminal activity? If so, what did you do on Terry Orr's behalf as his chief lobbyist? I need more info before I can determine the propriety of your actions as Terry Orr's putative chief lobbyist.

"""And I’ve known Ralph Reed and Grover Norquist for years."""

That might explain why you support Gill. Norquist is Gill's mentor. Without Norquist the candidacy of Faisal Gill would be a joke.

"""Since they are associated with Jack Abramoff, I guess that makes me complicit in his crimes, too."""

You were never Abramoff's chief lobbyist. Gill was Alamoudi's chief lobbyist. No matter how much James Young tries to insinuate that Young is as guilty as Gill, James Young stops short of providing information that Young was ever a convicted criminal's chief lobbyist while the convicted criminal was committing his crimes. 

"""Then there was the guy with whom I shared fellowship in a cigar shop who later shot his wife and murdered his stepson, right here in Prince William County. Guess that makes me a “murderer sympathizer” and a “wife-abuser sympathizer.”"""

Were you  the murderer's chief lobbyist while he engaged in criminal activity? Gill was Alamoudi's chief lobbyist.

"""‘Course, I can get in my WayBack Machine, and note that, on my way to elementary school in Northumberland, I used to walk by a guy who tried to kill his sister-in-law. Guess that makes me an “assault sympathizer,” too."""

Were you the attempted murderer's chief lobbyist while he engaged in criminal actitity? Gill was Alamoudi's chief lobbyist.


"""I wonder what your inventory would show? You’re a Democrat, right?"""

WRONG!!!!! I am no longer a Dem because where I live the Dems almost all support the odious Rep. Jim Moran. I was twice denied membership in the Lee District Democratic Committee. The first time they rejected me they even pocketed my $35 application fee. 

I voted for George Allen last year. Don't assume what you don't know, James Young.

"""And you supported Bill Clinton, right?"""

Absolutely, and I gave money to both of his presidential campaigns and to his wife's first senatorial campaign.

"""Guess that makes you a “perjurer"""

Alamoudi is in jail for 23 years for terrorist money laundering. Bill Clinton was never even indicted for a crime, let alone convicted. YOU ARE BLIND TO ALAMOUDI'S CRIMES! You are blind to the fact that Alamoudi sits in a jail cell. Alamoudi's crimes are proven. 

"""/adulterer/"""

I don't even want to go there. Suffice it to say that the PWC Republican Party, and the Democratic Party too, would be much smaller organizations if adulterers did not join.

"""rapist"""

This bores me. Bill Clinton is not running for the HOD-51 nomination. Faisal Gill is. We have questions about what Gill did on behalf of the imprisoned terrorist Alamoudi while Gill was Alamoudi's chief lobbyist. 

You can respond to our reasonable questions by railing against Bill Clinton if you like. It is not much of an answer though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8221;"Wow, Jonathan! That’s quite a stretch. From lobbyist in 2001 to “terrorist sympathizer.”&#8221;"&#8221;</p>
<p>From chief lobbyist for a terrorist in 2001 to &#8220;terrorist sympathizer.&#8221; I.e, Gill sympathized with Alamoudi the terrorist. That is why he was the terrorist&#8217;s lobbyists. </p>
<p>&#8220;&#8221;"Gee, I’d better do an inventory. I represented Redskin Terry Orr in 1993 and 1994. A few years later, he pled guilty to and served time for a financial crime. Guess that makes me a “financial-crimes sympathizer.”&#8221;"&#8221;</p>
<p>Were you Terry Orr&#8217;s chief lobbyist while he engaged in the criminal activity? If so, what did you do on Terry Orr&#8217;s behalf as his chief lobbyist? I need more info before I can determine the propriety of your actions as Terry Orr&#8217;s putative chief lobbyist.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8221;"And I’ve known Ralph Reed and Grover Norquist for years.&#8221;"&#8221;</p>
<p>That might explain why you support Gill. Norquist is Gill&#8217;s mentor. Without Norquist the candidacy of Faisal Gill would be a joke.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8221;"Since they are associated with Jack Abramoff, I guess that makes me complicit in his crimes, too.&#8221;"&#8221;</p>
<p>You were never Abramoff&#8217;s chief lobbyist. Gill was Alamoudi&#8217;s chief lobbyist. No matter how much James Young tries to insinuate that Young is as guilty as Gill, James Young stops short of providing information that Young was ever a convicted criminal&#8217;s chief lobbyist while the convicted criminal was committing his crimes. </p>
<p>&#8220;&#8221;"Then there was the guy with whom I shared fellowship in a cigar shop who later shot his wife and murdered his stepson, right here in Prince William County. Guess that makes me a “murderer sympathizer” and a “wife-abuser sympathizer.”&#8221;"&#8221;</p>
<p>Were you  the murderer&#8217;s chief lobbyist while he engaged in criminal activity? Gill was Alamoudi&#8217;s chief lobbyist.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8221;"‘Course, I can get in my WayBack Machine, and note that, on my way to elementary school in Northumberland, I used to walk by a guy who tried to kill his sister-in-law. Guess that makes me an “assault sympathizer,” too.&#8221;"&#8221;</p>
<p>Were you the attempted murderer&#8217;s chief lobbyist while he engaged in criminal actitity? Gill was Alamoudi&#8217;s chief lobbyist.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8221;"I wonder what your inventory would show? You’re a Democrat, right?&#8221;"&#8221;</p>
<p>WRONG!!!!! I am no longer a Dem because where I live the Dems almost all support the odious Rep. Jim Moran. I was twice denied membership in the Lee District Democratic Committee. The first time they rejected me they even pocketed my $35 application fee. </p>
<p>I voted for George Allen last year. Don&#8217;t assume what you don&#8217;t know, James Young.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8221;"And you supported Bill Clinton, right?&#8221;"&#8221;</p>
<p>Absolutely, and I gave money to both of his presidential campaigns and to his wife&#8217;s first senatorial campaign.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8221;"Guess that makes you a “perjurer&#8221;"&#8221;</p>
<p>Alamoudi is in jail for 23 years for terrorist money laundering. Bill Clinton was never even indicted for a crime, let alone convicted. YOU ARE BLIND TO ALAMOUDI&#8217;S CRIMES! You are blind to the fact that Alamoudi sits in a jail cell. Alamoudi&#8217;s crimes are proven. </p>
<p>&#8220;&#8221;"/adulterer/&#8221;"&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t even want to go there. Suffice it to say that the PWC Republican Party, and the Democratic Party too, would be much smaller organizations if adulterers did not join.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8221;"rapist&#8221;"&#8221;</p>
<p>This bores me. Bill Clinton is not running for the HOD-51 nomination. Faisal Gill is. We have questions about what Gill did on behalf of the imprisoned terrorist Alamoudi while Gill was Alamoudi&#8217;s chief lobbyist. </p>
<p>You can respond to our reasonable questions by railing against Bill Clinton if you like. It is not much of an answer though.</p>
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		<title>By: pwcman</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/01/31/faisal-gill-pulls-a-chapman/#comment-6566</link>
		<dc:creator>pwcman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 17:15:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what is next? you gonna accuse president Bush(senior) for supporting Talibans.  He had taliban delegation visit white house. Talibans were "freedom fighters", they got thier training,weapons and funds from usa. So should we hold papa bush responsible for supporting them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what is next? you gonna accuse president Bush(senior) for supporting Talibans.  He had taliban delegation visit white house. Talibans were &#8220;freedom fighters&#8221;, they got thier training,weapons and funds from usa. So should we hold papa bush responsible for supporting them?</p>
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		<title>By: Greg L</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/01/31/faisal-gill-pulls-a-chapman/#comment-6560</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 14:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/01/31/faisal-gill-pulls-a-chapman/#comment-6560</guid>
		<description>James, I think there are some important qualitative differences to consider here.  You quite clearly had nothing to do with the improper actions that those individuals took.  Faisal Gill's connection with Alamoudi isn't quite as disconnected and has been somewhat shrouded in mystery that hasn't been resolved.  At the same time Faisal Gill was working for Alamoudi, Alamoudi was proclaiming himself as a Hamas and Hezbollah supporter and funneling money into the US from Libyan dictator and terrorist financier Moammar Quaddafi.  The AMC was a pretty small organization, so it's hard to accept that Faisal, working in a pretty senior position there was entirely unaware of what was going on and had no connection to it.

If you were representing someone at the exact same time that your client was engaging in illegal behavior, I'm pretty sure folks would question how much you knew about that illegal behavior and your motivation for continuing to represent that client.  Knowing you, I'm sure you would be as upfront about this as attorney-client priviledge would allow and not try to duck the question.  And to many people that would be satisfactory.

Gill's association with Asim Ghafoor only reinforces the concerns.  One instance of being associated with unsavory characters might be an aberration, but when this starts looking like a consistent and continuing pattern, the perception at least is that there's a grave problem here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James, I think there are some important qualitative differences to consider here.  You quite clearly had nothing to do with the improper actions that those individuals took.  Faisal Gill&#8217;s connection with Alamoudi isn&#8217;t quite as disconnected and has been somewhat shrouded in mystery that hasn&#8217;t been resolved.  At the same time Faisal Gill was working for Alamoudi, Alamoudi was proclaiming himself as a Hamas and Hezbollah supporter and funneling money into the US from Libyan dictator and terrorist financier Moammar Quaddafi.  The AMC was a pretty small organization, so it&#8217;s hard to accept that Faisal, working in a pretty senior position there was entirely unaware of what was going on and had no connection to it.</p>
<p>If you were representing someone at the exact same time that your client was engaging in illegal behavior, I&#8217;m pretty sure folks would question how much you knew about that illegal behavior and your motivation for continuing to represent that client.  Knowing you, I&#8217;m sure you would be as upfront about this as attorney-client priviledge would allow and not try to duck the question.  And to many people that would be satisfactory.</p>
<p>Gill&#8217;s association with Asim Ghafoor only reinforces the concerns.  One instance of being associated with unsavory characters might be an aberration, but when this starts looking like a consistent and continuing pattern, the perception at least is that there&#8217;s a grave problem here.</p>
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		<title>By: Batson D. Belfrey</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/01/31/faisal-gill-pulls-a-chapman/#comment-6559</link>
		<dc:creator>Batson D. Belfrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 14:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/01/31/faisal-gill-pulls-a-chapman/#comment-6559</guid>
		<description>James,

This is a serious question, and not a poke at you: Regardless of the truth of the allegations against Gill, how do you think this effects his electability, and how badly do you think the Dems will come at him? Maybe Gill didn't know what was going on at the AMC. Maybe he was just in the wrong place, at the wrong time, with the wrong people. Do you honestly believe that the Dems will not make political hay out of this stuff, and that it won't impact the voters?

I am really interested in your assessment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James,</p>
<p>This is a serious question, and not a poke at you: Regardless of the truth of the allegations against Gill, how do you think this effects his electability, and how badly do you think the Dems will come at him? Maybe Gill didn&#8217;t know what was going on at the AMC. Maybe he was just in the wrong place, at the wrong time, with the wrong people. Do you honestly believe that the Dems will not make political hay out of this stuff, and that it won&#8217;t impact the voters?</p>
<p>I am really interested in your assessment.</p>
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		<title>By: James Young</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/01/31/faisal-gill-pulls-a-chapman/#comment-6558</link>
		<dc:creator>James Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 14:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/01/31/faisal-gill-pulls-a-chapman/#comment-6558</guid>
		<description>Wow, Jonathan!  That's quite a stretch.  From lobbyist in 2001 to "terrorist sympathizer."

Gee, I'd better do an inventory.  I represented Redskin Terry Orr in 1993 and 1994.  A few years later, he pled guilty to and served time for a financial crime.  Guess that makes me a "financial-crimes sympathizer."

And I've known Ralph Reed and Grover Norquist for years.  Since they are associated with Jack Abramoff, I guess that makes me complicit in his crimes, too.

Then there was the guy with whom I shared fellowship in a cigar shop who later shot his wife and murdered his stepson, right here in Prince William County.  Guess that makes me a "murderer sympathizer" and a "wife-abuser sympathizer."

'Course, I can get in my WayBack Machine, and note that, on my way to elementary school in Northumberland, I used to walk by a guy who tried to kill his sister-in-law.  Guess that makes me an "assault sympathizer," too.

I wonder what your inventory would show?  You're a Democrat, right?  And you supported Bill Clinton, right?  Guess that makes you a "perjurer/adulterer/rapist sympathizer."  Then there's Dan Rostenkowski.  Let's add "tax-evader sympathizer."  Oh, and let's not forget "check-kiter sympathizer."

Unless you can make the case that Faisal knew Alamoudi was a terrorist money-launderer, your claim is absurd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, Jonathan!  That&#8217;s quite a stretch.  From lobbyist in 2001 to &#8220;terrorist sympathizer.&#8221;</p>
<p>Gee, I&#8217;d better do an inventory.  I represented Redskin Terry Orr in 1993 and 1994.  A few years later, he pled guilty to and served time for a financial crime.  Guess that makes me a &#8220;financial-crimes sympathizer.&#8221;</p>
<p>And I&#8217;ve known Ralph Reed and Grover Norquist for years.  Since they are associated with Jack Abramoff, I guess that makes me complicit in his crimes, too.</p>
<p>Then there was the guy with whom I shared fellowship in a cigar shop who later shot his wife and murdered his stepson, right here in Prince William County.  Guess that makes me a &#8220;murderer sympathizer&#8221; and a &#8220;wife-abuser sympathizer.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8216;Course, I can get in my WayBack Machine, and note that, on my way to elementary school in Northumberland, I used to walk by a guy who tried to kill his sister-in-law.  Guess that makes me an &#8220;assault sympathizer,&#8221; too.</p>
<p>I wonder what your inventory would show?  You&#8217;re a Democrat, right?  And you supported Bill Clinton, right?  Guess that makes you a &#8220;perjurer/adulterer/rapist sympathizer.&#8221;  Then there&#8217;s Dan Rostenkowski.  Let&#8217;s add &#8220;tax-evader sympathizer.&#8221;  Oh, and let&#8217;s not forget &#8220;check-kiter sympathizer.&#8221;</p>
<p>Unless you can make the case that Faisal knew Alamoudi was a terrorist money-launderer, your claim is absurd.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/01/31/faisal-gill-pulls-a-chapman/#comment-6552</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 04:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/01/31/faisal-gill-pulls-a-chapman/#comment-6552</guid>
		<description>"""it is those who are attacking Faisal with charges upon which he was cleared"""

Faisal was the imprisoned terrorist money-launderer Abdurahman Alamoudi's chief lobbyist in 2001. 

That makes Gill a terrorist sympathizer, because Alamoudi is a terrorist serving a 23 year sentence in a federal prison. 

No one forced Gill to work for Alamoudi as a lobbyist. Gill chose to do so as an adult and now he is facing the consequences. 

That is appropriate. Support for terrorists like Alamoudi has consequences for those who provide the support.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8221;"it is those who are attacking Faisal with charges upon which he was cleared&#8221;"&#8221;</p>
<p>Faisal was the imprisoned terrorist money-launderer Abdurahman Alamoudi&#8217;s chief lobbyist in 2001. </p>
<p>That makes Gill a terrorist sympathizer, because Alamoudi is a terrorist serving a 23 year sentence in a federal prison. </p>
<p>No one forced Gill to work for Alamoudi as a lobbyist. Gill chose to do so as an adult and now he is facing the consequences. </p>
<p>That is appropriate. Support for terrorists like Alamoudi has consequences for those who provide the support.</p>
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		<title>By: AWCheney</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/01/31/faisal-gill-pulls-a-chapman/#comment-6550</link>
		<dc:creator>AWCheney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 03:52:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/01/31/faisal-gill-pulls-a-chapman/#comment-6550</guid>
		<description>As I said before, "And only someone with an extraordinarily limited imagination would have to continually harp on things which he really knows absolutely nothing about because he cannot adequately argue his position."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I said before, &#8220;And only someone with an extraordinarily limited imagination would have to continually harp on things which he really knows absolutely nothing about because he cannot adequately argue his position.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: James Young</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/01/31/faisal-gill-pulls-a-chapman/#comment-6549</link>
		<dc:creator>James Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 03:46:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/01/31/faisal-gill-pulls-a-chapman/#comment-6549</guid>
		<description>"The fact that the Chapman suit hasn’t gone ANYWHERE (ie. it hasn’t gone anywhere) also speaks volumes."

Hasn't gone anywhere?  Only to someone who doesn't understand the litigation process.  A meritless lawsuit would be quickly dismissed, assuming competent legal representation.  I don't know who represents Greg, but I assume competence.  Litigation (pleadings; discovery; motions practice) takes time, something even a "slip-and-fall lawyer" knows.  Perhaps you can actually find one to educate you, assuming (against the evidence) that you are educable.  To be sure, Chapman may lose.  But his claim cannot be dismissed as meritless by knowledgeable commentators, because it has not been dismissed as meritless by the court.

And, just like AWCheney, "Batson," you assume it is "defense" merely to note the meritlessness of the attacks.  But then again, by your stirring tribute, one can only assume that you also endorse lying about complicity in specious and dismissed criminal charges against a candidate and other sleazy politlcal smears.  Chapman certainly has his flaws, as all of us (except possible you/AWCheney) do, but he managed to get 45% of the primary vote against a long-time incumbent who allowed himself to be rolled by a Democrat Governor seeking an unnecessary tax increase.

"And only someone with an extraordinarily limited imagination would have to continually harp on things which he really knows absolutely nothing about because he cannot adequately argue his position."

"Limited imagination"?  Hardly.  "Long and encyclopaedic memory of your misdeeds" is more accurate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The fact that the Chapman suit hasn’t gone ANYWHERE (ie. it hasn’t gone anywhere) also speaks volumes.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hasn&#8217;t gone anywhere?  Only to someone who doesn&#8217;t understand the litigation process.  A meritless lawsuit would be quickly dismissed, assuming competent legal representation.  I don&#8217;t know who represents Greg, but I assume competence.  Litigation (pleadings; discovery; motions practice) takes time, something even a &#8220;slip-and-fall lawyer&#8221; knows.  Perhaps you can actually find one to educate you, assuming (against the evidence) that you are educable.  To be sure, Chapman may lose.  But his claim cannot be dismissed as meritless by knowledgeable commentators, because it has not been dismissed as meritless by the court.</p>
<p>And, just like AWCheney, &#8220;Batson,&#8221; you assume it is &#8220;defense&#8221; merely to note the meritlessness of the attacks.  But then again, by your stirring tribute, one can only assume that you also endorse lying about complicity in specious and dismissed criminal charges against a candidate and other sleazy politlcal smears.  Chapman certainly has his flaws, as all of us (except possible you/AWCheney) do, but he managed to get 45% of the primary vote against a long-time incumbent who allowed himself to be rolled by a Democrat Governor seeking an unnecessary tax increase.</p>
<p>&#8220;And only someone with an extraordinarily limited imagination would have to continually harp on things which he really knows absolutely nothing about because he cannot adequately argue his position.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Limited imagination&#8221;?  Hardly.  &#8220;Long and encyclopaedic memory of your misdeeds&#8221; is more accurate.</p>
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		<title>By: Batson D. Belfrey</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/01/31/faisal-gill-pulls-a-chapman/#comment-6545</link>
		<dc:creator>Batson D. Belfrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 03:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/01/31/faisal-gill-pulls-a-chapman/#comment-6545</guid>
		<description>(”Batson,” who sounds to me suspiciously like AWCheney in drag)

BoHoo-BoHoo. Greg, James Young is personally attacking me. Please edit is coments. BooHoo! I can't take his withering attacks on me. Please, for the love of all that is good, please edit his comments. If you don't edit his comments, I will be personally ruined for life, and may have to talk to Gill about representation in a lawsuit. BooHoo! Greg, please grant me some peace, and edit James Young's comments. I can't live with these personal attacks. Oh poor me, the slip-and-fall lawyer called me a trannie. I am scandalized. Greg, please, I am begging you, edit James Young's comments.


James...The fact that the Chapman suit hasn't gone ANYWHERE (ie. it hasn't gone anywhere) also speaks volumes. 

The fact that you always leap to Chapmans defense speaks volumes too. I am begining to wonder if you have a clown suit, and a crawl-space. 

As to my fashon sense, perhaps I do emulate the great AWCheney, but she's a fine lady, and my doing so is a tribute to her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(”Batson,” who sounds to me suspiciously like AWCheney in drag)</p>
<p>BoHoo-BoHoo. Greg, James Young is personally attacking me. Please edit is coments. BooHoo! I can&#8217;t take his withering attacks on me. Please, for the love of all that is good, please edit his comments. If you don&#8217;t edit his comments, I will be personally ruined for life, and may have to talk to Gill about representation in a lawsuit. BooHoo! Greg, please grant me some peace, and edit James Young&#8217;s comments. I can&#8217;t live with these personal attacks. Oh poor me, the slip-and-fall lawyer called me a trannie. I am scandalized. Greg, please, I am begging you, edit James Young&#8217;s comments.</p>
<p>James&#8230;The fact that the Chapman suit hasn&#8217;t gone ANYWHERE (ie. it hasn&#8217;t gone anywhere) also speaks volumes. </p>
<p>The fact that you always leap to Chapmans defense speaks volumes too. I am begining to wonder if you have a clown suit, and a crawl-space. </p>
<p>As to my fashon sense, perhaps I do emulate the great AWCheney, but she&#8217;s a fine lady, and my doing so is a tribute to her.</p>
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		<title>By: AWCheney</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/01/31/faisal-gill-pulls-a-chapman/#comment-6544</link>
		<dc:creator>AWCheney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 03:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/01/31/faisal-gill-pulls-a-chapman/#comment-6544</guid>
		<description>Only an idiot (oh, excuse me)...only someone of limited deduction skills would confuse me with Batson.  Batson is OBVIOUSLY someone from the City of Manassas who frequents City Council meetings, or may even be someone ON the City Council.  And only someone with an extraordinarily limited imagination would have to continually harp on things which he really knows absolutely nothing about because he cannot adequately argue his position.  

[Ed note: post edited]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only an idiot (oh, excuse me)&#8230;only someone of limited deduction skills would confuse me with Batson.  Batson is OBVIOUSLY someone from the City of Manassas who frequents City Council meetings, or may even be someone ON the City Council.  And only someone with an extraordinarily limited imagination would have to continually harp on things which he really knows absolutely nothing about because he cannot adequately argue his position.  </p>
<p>[Ed note: post edited]</p>
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		<title>By: James Young</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/01/31/faisal-gill-pulls-a-chapman/#comment-6542</link>
		<dc:creator>James Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 02:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/01/31/faisal-gill-pulls-a-chapman/#comment-6542</guid>
		<description>Maybe, LI, just maybe, the people who are backing Faisal are being reasonable (not to say that those who back Julie are unreasonable), and it is those who are attacking Faisal with charges upon which he was cleared and with obvious ulterior motives (i.e., he dares to represent someone suing our host) and others ("Batson," who sounds to me suspiciously like AWCheney in drag), who are being unreasonable.

A great deal of it seems to go back to those who will never forgive anyone who had the temerity to oppose Harry Parrish's re-election after he allowed himself to be rolled by a Democrat Governor seeking an unnecessary tax increase.

And BTW, "Batson," I won't speak to the other matters, but if Chapman prevails in his lawsuit against Greg, he will not "look like a total DOOK!" for having filed his lawsuit.  And that it's still pending (i.e., hasn't been dismissed) speaks volumes about its merits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe, LI, just maybe, the people who are backing Faisal are being reasonable (not to say that those who back Julie are unreasonable), and it is those who are attacking Faisal with charges upon which he was cleared and with obvious ulterior motives (i.e., he dares to represent someone suing our host) and others (&#8221;Batson,&#8221; who sounds to me suspiciously like AWCheney in drag), who are being unreasonable.</p>
<p>A great deal of it seems to go back to those who will never forgive anyone who had the temerity to oppose Harry Parrish&#8217;s re-election after he allowed himself to be rolled by a Democrat Governor seeking an unnecessary tax increase.</p>
<p>And BTW, &#8220;Batson,&#8221; I won&#8217;t speak to the other matters, but if Chapman prevails in his lawsuit against Greg, he will not &#8220;look like a total DOOK!&#8221; for having filed his lawsuit.  And that it&#8217;s still pending (i.e., hasn&#8217;t been dismissed) speaks volumes about its merits.</p>
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		<title>By: AWCheney</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/01/31/faisal-gill-pulls-a-chapman/#comment-6539</link>
		<dc:creator>AWCheney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 02:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/01/31/faisal-gill-pulls-a-chapman/#comment-6539</guid>
		<description>"Who does Julie have the support of?"

Well Anonymous, I don't believe that Julie has had the opportunity to accumulate endorsements as yet...she had the good taste to wait until AFTER the special election before she started campaigning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Who does Julie have the support of?&#8221;</p>
<p>Well Anonymous, I don&#8217;t believe that Julie has had the opportunity to accumulate endorsements as yet&#8230;she had the good taste to wait until AFTER the special election before she started campaigning.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg L</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/01/31/faisal-gill-pulls-a-chapman/#comment-6533</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 00:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/01/31/faisal-gill-pulls-a-chapman/#comment-6533</guid>
		<description>Anon 5:45:  I can't scoop the endorsement list, and honestly I'm not entirely sure who will be on it, but I can tell you it's going to be substantial.  It should come out when Julie officially endorses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon 5:45:  I can&#8217;t scoop the endorsement list, and honestly I&#8217;m not entirely sure who will be on it, but I can tell you it&#8217;s going to be substantial.  It should come out when Julie officially endorses.</p>
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