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	<title>Comments on: Once More Into The Breach - UPDATED</title>
	<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/02/18/once-more-into-the-breach/</link>
	<description>Blog-Fu for Prince William, Manassas and Manassas Park politics.</description>
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		<title>By: Peedy WL</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/02/18/once-more-into-the-breach/#comment-17195</link>
		<dc:creator>Peedy WL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 02:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/02/18/once-more-into-the-breach/#comment-17195</guid>
		<description>This is a silly sounding C&#38;D letter, but it doesn't surprise me from a manassas attorney, a city/county with a notorious, old boy network legal system, as evidenced by the repeated requests in the letter for you to refer this matter to an attorney, which is the last thing you should do.  I'm not sure where this matter stands, but I would just ignore it.  If this letter is the best they can do, I wouldn't even use a lawyer if it went that far...just go "in propria persona".  Once you get a lawyer, you start incurring legal fees, which is exactly what they want...the more you incur, the more likely you'll give in.  Defamation is very hard to prove in Virginia.  They are only trying to intimidate and bully you.  I would have liked to seen the look on their faces when the realized you published their letter.  Until you actually recive notice of a filed motion (suit), just ignore these turkeys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a silly sounding C&amp;D letter, but it doesn&#8217;t surprise me from a manassas attorney, a city/county with a notorious, old boy network legal system, as evidenced by the repeated requests in the letter for you to refer this matter to an attorney, which is the last thing you should do.  I&#8217;m not sure where this matter stands, but I would just ignore it.  If this letter is the best they can do, I wouldn&#8217;t even use a lawyer if it went that far&#8230;just go &#8220;in propria persona&#8221;.  Once you get a lawyer, you start incurring legal fees, which is exactly what they want&#8230;the more you incur, the more likely you&#8217;ll give in.  Defamation is very hard to prove in Virginia.  They are only trying to intimidate and bully you.  I would have liked to seen the look on their faces when the realized you published their letter.  Until you actually recive notice of a filed motion (suit), just ignore these turkeys.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg L</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/02/18/once-more-into-the-breach/#comment-8274</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2007 13:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/02/18/once-more-into-the-breach/#comment-8274</guid>
		<description>I'm hoping to have something more on this soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m hoping to have something more on this soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/02/18/once-more-into-the-breach/#comment-8271</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2007 06:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/02/18/once-more-into-the-breach/#comment-8271</guid>
		<description>Any updates?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any updates?</p>
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		<title>By: Greg L</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/02/18/once-more-into-the-breach/#comment-7239</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 23:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/02/18/once-more-into-the-breach/#comment-7239</guid>
		<description>Not until I have a pro-bono attorney lined up who will guarantee that a defamation suit doesn't stand a chance in heck of being won, and will stake his reputation on it.

I'm not entirely sure yet how representation on this will sort out, but I'm encouraged that the cyber-law group at Harvard University is interested in lining up a team on this.  So maybe I'm getting a little closer, but I'm not at all entirely at that point.  Yet.

Believe me, the urge is almost undeniable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not until I have a pro-bono attorney lined up who will guarantee that a defamation suit doesn&#8217;t stand a chance in heck of being won, and will stake his reputation on it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not entirely sure yet how representation on this will sort out, but I&#8217;m encouraged that the cyber-law group at Harvard University is interested in lining up a team on this.  So maybe I&#8217;m getting a little closer, but I&#8217;m not at all entirely at that point.  Yet.</p>
<p>Believe me, the urge is almost undeniable.</p>
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		<title>By: Alton</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/02/18/once-more-into-the-breach/#comment-7238</link>
		<dc:creator>Alton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 23:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/02/18/once-more-into-the-breach/#comment-7238</guid>
		<description>Come on Greg, just once more for old time's sake, say "bite me!"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come on Greg, just once more for old time&#8217;s sake, say &#8220;bite me!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Greg L</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/02/18/once-more-into-the-breach/#comment-7235</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 21:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/02/18/once-more-into-the-breach/#comment-7235</guid>
		<description>Although he might not have been the best candidate, Chapman was right on the money in opposing the OTB referendum in Manassas Park.  If I haven't mentioned that before, I definitely am long overdue in giving credit where it's well deserved.  The efforts of folks like him made a big difference and saved Manassas Park from what we now can see would have been a complete disaster for the city.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although he might not have been the best candidate, Chapman was right on the money in opposing the OTB referendum in Manassas Park.  If I haven&#8217;t mentioned that before, I definitely am long overdue in giving credit where it&#8217;s well deserved.  The efforts of folks like him made a big difference and saved Manassas Park from what we now can see would have been a complete disaster for the city.</p>
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		<title>By: Batson D. Belfrey</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/02/18/once-more-into-the-breach/#comment-7233</link>
		<dc:creator>Batson D. Belfrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 21:21:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/02/18/once-more-into-the-breach/#comment-7233</guid>
		<description>In a strange twist, Steve Chapman figures in this case, and this time, for doing something right. If what was driving this was indeed those who stood to gain from OTB (as opposed to LEO's with a personal score to settle), then we should all thank Chapman for his efforts to defeat OTB. As much as it pains me to do so, I have to give credit, where it is due and it is due in this case. Could you imagine if OTB had come into the Park? How much more corruption (or the temptation of) would we be dealing with, had OTB not been defeated at the polls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a strange twist, Steve Chapman figures in this case, and this time, for doing something right. If what was driving this was indeed those who stood to gain from OTB (as opposed to LEO&#8217;s with a personal score to settle), then we should all thank Chapman for his efforts to defeat OTB. As much as it pains me to do so, I have to give credit, where it is due and it is due in this case. Could you imagine if OTB had come into the Park? How much more corruption (or the temptation of) would we be dealing with, had OTB not been defeated at the polls.</p>
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		<title>By: carpundit</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/02/18/once-more-into-the-breach/#comment-7226</link>
		<dc:creator>carpundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/02/18/once-more-into-the-breach/#comment-7226</guid>
		<description>Being told by a lawyer to shut up or get sued is one thing. 

But being told by a *City's* lawyer to shut up or get sued is another.

Take a good look at First Amendment law, and see if they've transgressed.  I'm no expert, but there's an issue there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being told by a lawyer to shut up or get sued is one thing. </p>
<p>But being told by a *City&#8217;s* lawyer to shut up or get sued is another.</p>
<p>Take a good look at First Amendment law, and see if they&#8217;ve transgressed.  I&#8217;m no expert, but there&#8217;s an issue there.</p>
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		<title>By: AWCheney</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/02/18/once-more-into-the-breach/#comment-7223</link>
		<dc:creator>AWCheney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/02/18/once-more-into-the-breach/#comment-7223</guid>
		<description>I have felt, for quite some time, that the corruption and coverups extend far beyond Manassas Park, which is why David Ruttenberg has presented such an enormous problem...an honest man who will not back off.  I can easily see where a house of cards that has been built carefully over many decades could easily come tumbling down if only one card becomes exposed.  Machine politics is not dead in Virginia...it has just become economically driven.  Exposing the corruption in Manassas Park endangers everyone up the food chain, so they are closing ranks.  It is time for the citizens of Virginia to demand accountability and then, perhaps, the low end of the food chain (MP officials) might find the value in providing State's evidence to save their own ***es before they find out just how expendable they are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have felt, for quite some time, that the corruption and coverups extend far beyond Manassas Park, which is why David Ruttenberg has presented such an enormous problem&#8230;an honest man who will not back off.  I can easily see where a house of cards that has been built carefully over many decades could easily come tumbling down if only one card becomes exposed.  Machine politics is not dead in Virginia&#8230;it has just become economically driven.  Exposing the corruption in Manassas Park endangers everyone up the food chain, so they are closing ranks.  It is time for the citizens of Virginia to demand accountability and then, perhaps, the low end of the food chain (MP officials) might find the value in providing State&#8217;s evidence to save their own ***es before they find out just how expendable they are.</p>
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		<title>By: Virginian</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/02/18/once-more-into-the-breach/#comment-7221</link>
		<dc:creator>Virginian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 13:58:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/02/18/once-more-into-the-breach/#comment-7221</guid>
		<description>Believe me, the attorney who wrote that letter, Tom Spahn, knows exactly what he's doing.  Regardless of what anyone thinks of Tom, he is one of the most well thought of successful lawyers in Virginia.  Heck, he literally has written the book on the Attorney-client privilege/Work Product in Virginia.  Now, all that said, he and his law firm were recently kicked off a multi-billion dollar suit pending in far southwest for their unethical conduct.  Nonetheless, Tom is a serious guy who wouldn't walk into a fight without a little ammunition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Believe me, the attorney who wrote that letter, Tom Spahn, knows exactly what he&#8217;s doing.  Regardless of what anyone thinks of Tom, he is one of the most well thought of successful lawyers in Virginia.  Heck, he literally has written the book on the Attorney-client privilege/Work Product in Virginia.  Now, all that said, he and his law firm were recently kicked off a multi-billion dollar suit pending in far southwest for their unethical conduct.  Nonetheless, Tom is a serious guy who wouldn&#8217;t walk into a fight without a little ammunition.</p>
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		<title>By: Had to Say</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/02/18/once-more-into-the-breach/#comment-7214</link>
		<dc:creator>Had to Say</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 01:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/02/18/once-more-into-the-breach/#comment-7214</guid>
		<description>And if it wasn't the City Attorney, why not? He is suppose to handle anything of a legal nature for the City of MP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And if it wasn&#8217;t the City Attorney, why not? He is suppose to handle anything of a legal nature for the City of MP.</p>
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		<title>By: Had to Say</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/02/18/once-more-into-the-breach/#comment-7213</link>
		<dc:creator>Had to Say</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 01:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/02/18/once-more-into-the-breach/#comment-7213</guid>
		<description>I would bet it was the MP City Attorney.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would bet it was the MP City Attorney.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/02/18/once-more-into-the-breach/#comment-7208</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Feb 2007 23:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/02/18/once-more-into-the-breach/#comment-7208</guid>
		<description>"Whoever drafted a cease and desist letter on the part of a public official for criticisims of his official acts should have to go back to law school and take a First Amendment course"



I'll bet whoever sent this knows EXACTLY what they doing, and is counting on the fact that most people don't know (or follow) law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Whoever drafted a cease and desist letter on the part of a public official for criticisims of his official acts should have to go back to law school and take a First Amendment course&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll bet whoever sent this knows EXACTLY what they doing, and is counting on the fact that most people don&#8217;t know (or follow) law.</p>
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		<title>By: John B. Jenkins</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/02/18/once-more-into-the-breach/#comment-7204</link>
		<dc:creator>John B. Jenkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Feb 2007 22:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/02/18/once-more-into-the-breach/#comment-7204</guid>
		<description>There is so little chance of this ever coming to trial it makes me laugh.  The city and its officers/agents, because they are public officials in a matter of public concern would have to satisfy the standard in New York Times v. Sullivan of actual malice, otherwise the content is protected by the First Amendment.  Whoever drafted a cease and desist letter on the part of a public official for criticisims of his official acts should have to go back to law school and take a First Amendment course</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is so little chance of this ever coming to trial it makes me laugh.  The city and its officers/agents, because they are public officials in a matter of public concern would have to satisfy the standard in New York Times v. Sullivan of actual malice, otherwise the content is protected by the First Amendment.  Whoever drafted a cease and desist letter on the part of a public official for criticisims of his official acts should have to go back to law school and take a First Amendment course</p>
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		<title>By: Batson D. Belfrey</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/02/18/once-more-into-the-breach/#comment-7201</link>
		<dc:creator>Batson D. Belfrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Feb 2007 21:09:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/02/18/once-more-into-the-breach/#comment-7201</guid>
		<description>"In the Chapman case, there are documents that are completely unavailable that were the “basis” for charges. Some were never available so far as I can tell, others deleted long ago not to be seen again in public."

All it would take is for some one to do a FIOA request, just like the original documents were obtained, if memory serves. Also, I believe that there were many accusations leveled at Chapman. I recall links to state websites, court case docket numbers, etc. 


"How hard can it be to prove you weren’t lying when you claim Steve didn’t graduate high school, and didn’t have a contract to clean headstones? Did he graduate high school? Did he have a contract?"

Then why has Chapman never provided refuting documents. How hard would that be?

"But it is just as likely that he will lose, or go broke winning. All the “diligence” in the world hasn’t kept him from having to hire a lawyer."


But back to the case at hand. What the City of Manassas Park has demonstrated throughout this affair is that intimidation is their fall back weapon. It also makes me believe that Greg and others are on the right track. 

The only thing needed in the world for evil to exist, is for good men to do nothing. I am glad that we have a good man, Greg, taking up this fight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In the Chapman case, there are documents that are completely unavailable that were the “basis” for charges. Some were never available so far as I can tell, others deleted long ago not to be seen again in public.&#8221;</p>
<p>All it would take is for some one to do a FIOA request, just like the original documents were obtained, if memory serves. Also, I believe that there were many accusations leveled at Chapman. I recall links to state websites, court case docket numbers, etc. </p>
<p>&#8220;How hard can it be to prove you weren’t lying when you claim Steve didn’t graduate high school, and didn’t have a contract to clean headstones? Did he graduate high school? Did he have a contract?&#8221;</p>
<p>Then why has Chapman never provided refuting documents. How hard would that be?</p>
<p>&#8220;But it is just as likely that he will lose, or go broke winning. All the “diligence” in the world hasn’t kept him from having to hire a lawyer.&#8221;</p>
<p>But back to the case at hand. What the City of Manassas Park has demonstrated throughout this affair is that intimidation is their fall back weapon. It also makes me believe that Greg and others are on the right track. </p>
<p>The only thing needed in the world for evil to exist, is for good men to do nothing. I am glad that we have a good man, Greg, taking up this fight.</p>
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		<title>By: red river</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/02/18/once-more-into-the-breach/#comment-7200</link>
		<dc:creator>red river</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Feb 2007 21:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/02/18/once-more-into-the-breach/#comment-7200</guid>
		<description>Mayor can be reached here:

http://www.cityofmanassaspark.us/Public_Documents/ManassasParkVA_CouncilCorner/jones</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mayor can be reached here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cityofmanassaspark.us/Public_Documents/ManassasParkVA_CouncilCorner/jones" rel="nofollow">http://www.cityofmanassaspark.us/Public_Documents/ManassasParkVA_CouncilCorner/jones</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/02/18/once-more-into-the-breach/#comment-7199</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Feb 2007 21:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/02/18/once-more-into-the-breach/#comment-7199</guid>
		<description>Oh yea,

Greg - your "unprecedented spike" corresponded to Instapundit linking to you just about that time!  You got famous!  

I think the additional publicity you have instantly received will work well for you.

Good luck,

John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yea,</p>
<p>Greg - your &#8220;unprecedented spike&#8221; corresponded to Instapundit linking to you just about that time!  You got famous!  </p>
<p>I think the additional publicity you have instantly received will work well for you.</p>
<p>Good luck,</p>
<p>John</p>
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		<title>By: Greg L</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/02/18/once-more-into-the-breach/#comment-7198</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Feb 2007 20:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/02/18/once-more-into-the-breach/#comment-7198</guid>
		<description>I'll see if I can get the letter scanned and posted this evening.  I'm just trying to keep my server from melting under the load of all the page requests I've been getting today -- this post is setting records every hour for page views, and my hits are off the charts today -- sometimes exceeding over 1,000 page views an hour.  The server that hosts this almost certainly has less horsepower behind it than any desktop being used to visit and is really getting a solid workout.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll see if I can get the letter scanned and posted this evening.  I&#8217;m just trying to keep my server from melting under the load of all the page requests I&#8217;ve been getting today &#8212; this post is setting records every hour for page views, and my hits are off the charts today &#8212; sometimes exceeding over 1,000 page views an hour.  The server that hosts this almost certainly has less horsepower behind it than any desktop being used to visit and is really getting a solid workout.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/02/18/once-more-into-the-breach/#comment-7197</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Feb 2007 20:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/02/18/once-more-into-the-breach/#comment-7197</guid>
		<description>Yes, I would also like to see the legal wizardry that our tax dollars are paying for, Greg.  Post up the threatening letter in its entirety for us to pick apart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I would also like to see the legal wizardry that our tax dollars are paying for, Greg.  Post up the threatening letter in its entirety for us to pick apart.</p>
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		<title>By: charles</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/02/18/once-more-into-the-breach/#comment-7196</link>
		<dc:creator>charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Feb 2007 20:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/02/18/once-more-into-the-breach/#comment-7196</guid>
		<description>Hey guys, I'm not the one filing a lawsuit.  

Nor am I saying Greg should lose a lawsuit.

I'm just reminding Greg that while a lot of people will post here their support for them, if he loses a $200,000 judgment, most of the people here aren't going to line up with sacks of cash to help him pay for his losses.

It's easy to encourage someone else to stand up, when you've got nothing of your own to lose.  I still hope the Chapman case goes away, and I hope the city comes to it's senses or else Greg wins a lawsuit and gets attorney fees.

But it is just as likely that he will lose, or go broke winning.  All the "diligence" in the world hasn't kept him from having to hire a lawyer.

In the Chapman case, there are documents that are completely unavailable that were the "basis" for charges.  Some were never available so far as I can tell, others deleted long ago not to be seen again in public.

Greg should have them all in his possession.  But if you look at the charges, something seems to be amiss.  How hard can it be to prove you weren't lying when you claim Steve didn't graduate high school, and didn't have a contract to clean headstones? Did he graduate high school?  Did he have a contract?

Anyway, I'm not arguing that Greg lied about anything in this case -- I'm simply noting that he can't be cavalier about this, and his supporters should realise the terrible burden Greg and his family could be under should the lawsuits have merit -- and none of us know if they do or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey guys, I&#8217;m not the one filing a lawsuit.  </p>
<p>Nor am I saying Greg should lose a lawsuit.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just reminding Greg that while a lot of people will post here their support for them, if he loses a $200,000 judgment, most of the people here aren&#8217;t going to line up with sacks of cash to help him pay for his losses.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s easy to encourage someone else to stand up, when you&#8217;ve got nothing of your own to lose.  I still hope the Chapman case goes away, and I hope the city comes to it&#8217;s senses or else Greg wins a lawsuit and gets attorney fees.</p>
<p>But it is just as likely that he will lose, or go broke winning.  All the &#8220;diligence&#8221; in the world hasn&#8217;t kept him from having to hire a lawyer.</p>
<p>In the Chapman case, there are documents that are completely unavailable that were the &#8220;basis&#8221; for charges.  Some were never available so far as I can tell, others deleted long ago not to be seen again in public.</p>
<p>Greg should have them all in his possession.  But if you look at the charges, something seems to be amiss.  How hard can it be to prove you weren&#8217;t lying when you claim Steve didn&#8217;t graduate high school, and didn&#8217;t have a contract to clean headstones? Did he graduate high school?  Did he have a contract?</p>
<p>Anyway, I&#8217;m not arguing that Greg lied about anything in this case &#8212; I&#8217;m simply noting that he can&#8217;t be cavalier about this, and his supporters should realise the terrible burden Greg and his family could be under should the lawsuits have merit &#8212; and none of us know if they do or not.</p>
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