Please as a insider, the rifle “given” or whatever to Stoffregen was a street level semi automatic, he got it, asked for it, again, whatever, during the sniper situation. IT WAS NOT A FULLY AUTOMATIC WEAPON, promise, it wasn’t. I make not further comments, I have no interest in this, but it was not auto, thus ass this BATF stuff is bogus. OK, hopefully, this is settled, you can confirm this by looking at the charge documents on the District Court website and then going to the gun manufacturers web site, it was a semi auto gun.

One Correction, if STOFFREGEN alledgely took home an alledged M-16A2 (a machinegun) without first getting the proper ownership paperwork from BATF, then I would be truly astounded that he hasn’t been charged, and is not in some Federal Pen somewhere. If found guilty, he probably wouldn’t be BUBBA’S girlfriend because they usually hold former law enforcement officers in some sort of protective custody and he would not get the “true penitentiary experience.”

Now that we have run off some of the “name callers” (at least suggested some reading for the churlish louts in blog land). Let’s see if we can have a civil discourse on Messier V. Hill?

My facts are purely anecdotal and I claim no inside knowledge of either candidate.
It is my misfortune to be somewhat over the age of 39 and an inveterate smoker of cigs…. Consequently, I have attended my share of funerals and wakes in PWC. Sometime during my visits to the funeral homes, I always wind up outside for a smoke. I can’t be sue of exactly when the Sheriff’s Dept. and the PWC Police began escorting the funeral processions, but I was going to these sad events way before the escort service was provided. But, as a result of these funeral escorts and my bad habits, I would sometimes find myself outside with our men and women in blue(police) and our men and women in brown (sheriffs). I would sometimes engage the escorts in conversation and I was suprised to hear that (during STOFFREGEN’S reign) some of the sheriffs were something called “special deputies”. Upon further inquiry, these “special deputies” told me something about how they got their”special status”. Most were regular folks who heard they could do some community service by being “special deputies”, a few others seemed to be “COP GROUPIES”, so I can’t vouch for whoever was doing the screening of the potential “special deputies”. But all of the “special deputies” told me that they had to attend a certain number of hours of training as imposed by the State and they had to qualify every year with their sidearms in accordance with some sort of State regulations. They told me they would then be called upon from time-to-time to provide funeral escorts and sometimes to transport prisoners and mental patients from jail to jail or to various hospitals. Seemed to me at the time to be a nice way to perform some community service. But then all this stuff came out about selling badges,etc….Ugh! All I can say is the folks I personally met, for the most part, had community welfare in mind. I’m sure Sheriff Hill had his reasons for discontinuing the program. All you have to do is read two posts up and see that some of the “special deputies” turned out apparently to be somewhat lacking in good judgment.

Batson…your revelation about the rifle STOFFREGEN kept being an alledged M-16A2 is astounding. Special Prosecutor or no, I find it improbable that the dreaded BATF didn’t jump on that one like a duck on a June Bug. If that’s true STOFFREGEN should be “BUBBA’S” girlfriend in Ft. Leavenworth right ..NOW!

Fast forward to Sherrif Hill’s reign, unfortunately my friends keep on a dying and I keep on going to funerals. Again..I find myself outside grabbin’ a smoke with the escorts. This time I asked some of them about the big shake-up at the Sherrif’s Dept.. And how they liked things under Sherrif Hill. Every response I got was positive. The deputies reported to me that morale was high because Sherrif Hill treated them all like professionals and didn’t micromanage the Dept. like STOFFREGEN was wont to do. The ones I spoke to didn’t like the way STOF. had to have his fingers in everything. They reported Hill let the deputies be deputies, the sergents be sergents and… so forth. Thus, from my personal prospective, “IF IT AIN’T BROKE”….What the hell is there to fix?

Former school board member charged with posing as officer

By DANIEL DREW
The Potomac News
Wednesday, March 17, 2004

A former auxiliary deputy with the Prince William County Sheriff’s Office was charged with impersonating a police officer in Richmond last week, when he tried using his badge to get into a basketball game, Richmond police said Wednesday.

John Harper Jr., 67, of 17968 Swans Creek Lane, just east of Dumfries, tried to get into the Mid-Eastern Athletic Conference Basketball Tournament on March 10 at the Richmond Coliseum, according to Christie Collins, a spokeswoman for the Richmond police.

Harper displayed a badge and said he was doing surveillance, Collins said. He is a former school board member from the Neabsco district who resigned in October of 1999 for health reasons. He also served as administrator of the Dale City Recreation Center.

He told a ticket-taker he was working for the FBI and was involved in an undercover operation inside the building, according to Larry Wilson, the coliseum’s general manager.

“Our ticket-taker found that odd,” Wilson said. The facility’s staff usually knows when law enforcement officers are conducting operations inside, according to Wilson.

The ticket-taker asked Harper to wait, and then contacted a supervisor. The supervisor, in turn, called Richmond police.

Harper said in a Wednesday telephone interview that the whole incident was a misunderstanding. He was wearing a hat that says: “FBI Washington Field Office Citizens Academy,” and flashed his badge at the door, he said.

“They asked if I was FBI and I said no. I’m a citizen academy liaison to the FBI,” Harper said, admitting that he tried to use his badge to get into a game.

When officials looked at Harper’s badge, they asked who the sheriff in Prince William County is. Harper said Glendell Hill, but his identification card — which expired Dec. 31, 2003 — said E. Lee Stoffregen III was sheriff.

Officers asked Harper a few questions and let him go into the arena, aware of where he was sitting, Wilson said.

In the meantime, police talked to Hill and learned Harper was not who he had claimed to be, according to Wilson.

“We let him in and we ended up looking for him later in the evening,” Wilson said.

None of the reserve and auxiliary deputies appointed during Stoffregen’s administration were reappointed by Hill. The all-volunteer deputies performed various functions in the office, including court security, community relations and data entry in computer systems.

Stoffregen sent a letter to the volunteers after he lost the November election to Hill, ordering them to return their equipment before Dec. 31. Hill took office on Jan. 1.

“They all received letters telling them that if they had equipment, it would be expired at the end of my term,” Stoffregen said. He said some people did not comply.

Harper said he was planning on turning his badge in to Hill on April 1, to give the new sheriff “time to get settled in.” He said he should have done it on Jan. 1.

“He’s always been a good supporter and a good friend and I’m sorry to hear of the circumstances he’s in,” said Stoffregen, who has known Harper since before he was elected to the school board.

Harper, who denied trying to get into the game for free, said officials at the coliseum’s entrance “asked for identification because I was trying to get in to the game with the badge.

“I guess I could have bought a ticket, but I didn’t,” he said. He called the Potomac News and Manassas Journal Messenger back later to say he had purchased a tournament ticket book, but it hadn’t gotten to him in time.

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Don’t be too surprised at Zak’s comments. Anyone who would blindly follow a Corrupt Sheriff’s Chief Deputy, can’t have too many brains to begin with, not to mention a tremendous lack of judgement. Plus, I think I saw Zak in front of me today. He was the one who had the “Racists For Messier” bumper sticker on his Yugo.

Where as he may be speaking about PWC budget in the last sentence…I didn’t know that the Sheriff had that much control over the entire county budget! If he was speaking to the PWCSO budget, he doesn’t know math.

If I’m not mistaken, the Sheriff’s budget comes from 3 jurisdictions, as in MC & MPC pay for usage of the Courthouse/jail etc. exactly to what extent I do not know but they do pay for services.

What does he mean by “civil service protection”? If the deputy is not doing his job he can’t be fired? That sounds like a good program to me…where do I sign up for that job!

GEEZ….

I see little on Messier’s Web site that convinces me to vote for him. Does he really believe that membership in All Saints’ Catholic Church and a pro-life stance will get him elected Sheriff? Those bona fides may help a candidate like Bob Marshall, but they’re not what people are looking for in a Sheriff.

When you look at the Messier Web site and his self-comparison to Hill there is little substance. Item one is to reduce the budget by $3 million but there are no specifics on what he would cut. What does he identify as wasteful spending? Item two is the pro-life/pro-choice difference. Who cares? The Sherriff has little say on this issue and is called upon to uphold the laws of the state which currently permit abortion whether he personally agrees with the practice or not. Item three is establishing civil service protection for deputies. In other words, deputies will become the same bureaucrats we find in other parts of government. I kind of like the idea of a deputy serving at the discretion of the Sheriff. I keep my job at the discretion of my boss, why shouldn’t a Sheriff’s Deputy? Item four is reinstaing two programs that are not mandated duties of the Sheriff’s office and really don’t relate to the core missions of the office. And, of course, these are new programs. Where would the funding for these programs come from if Messier is going to cut the Sheriff Office’s budget by a third? The final item is really laughable. Messier will be a working Sherriff to rebut Hill’s penchant for walking around the courthouse to see what is going on. Since a primary mission of the Sheriff’s office is securing the court house, it would seem to me that walking around the court house to see what’s going on is being a “working Sheriff.” Is Messier referring to the practice under Stoffregen of setting up speed traps that caused accidents and tied up traffic? Or maybe he was referring to buying a boat so the Sheriff could assist in patrolling the waterways of PWC?

As part of Messier’s campaign, he wants to undo some of the very things that Glen Hill did to clean up the incredible mess that Stoffregen left. Messier’s campaign in every way appears to be a surrogate Stoffregen campaign, and many of the complaints you’ve levelled against Hill (the “increase in crime”, for example) seem to relate to Hill not trying to expand the Sherrif’s department as Stoffregen was legendary for. It’s YOU that has convinced me that Messier is Stoffregen’s stooge. Glen Hill hasn’t said a word to me on this subject, and he’s never spoken to me about Messier, ever.

Don’t complain to me that I read your arguments and learn something from them.

In mathmatics that is called a “proof”. Since were talking math, I would have to say Messier is