Comments on: On The Cowardice Of Jim Webb

By: TCO

TCO — Fri, 06 Apr 2007 19:16:27 +0000

Is it possible that the brouhaha was deliberate? To make Webb seem more moderate or more acceptable in the Old Dominion?

I really can’t see him doing that though. I don’t 100% buy into the mythos of Webb from A SENSE OF HONOR. But the man I heard in the debates would not stage a charade or leave someone to hang out and dry. I want to learn more, before I judge.

By: freedom

freedom — Sun, 01 Apr 2007 00:45:21 +0000

So, Jackson, you think Webb took the “high road” and did the admirable thing as a boss? …following the advice of a lawyer who told him to keep his mouth shut and let the slob in jail take the heat? It’s a sad day when the advice of a lawyer to “shut your mouth and keep your head low” replaces integrity and responsibility toward an employee — particularly in the case of a US Senator.

By: freedom

freedom — Sat, 31 Mar 2007 01:13:55 +0000

but wait…it was Webb’s gun that the aide got caught with…Webb knew (and if he didn’t, he should have) and the handler knew it, no doubt. Wouldn’t it have been more admirable for Senator Webb, a man of position, a VN war hero, a man of significant power to have stood up like a man, accepted responsibility and let the legal mess…whatever it might be…sort itself out in the morning? I think so; Senator Webb chose the low road.

By: Jackson Landers

Jackson Landers — Fri, 30 Mar 2007 18:41:55 +0000

Let me ask you; what do you think that Thompson’s lawyer would have wanted both Thompson and Webb to do right away? What would any good attorney want both of these guy’s to do for Thompson’s sake?

That’s right, he’d tell them both to shut their mouths to whatever extent possible while he sorts out what’s what.

There was nothing that Webb could have done to get him out of jail a minute earlier. It’s not as if saying ‘hey, I think it might have been my pistol’ would have made the bail hearing happen a minute sooner. Rather, he did exactly what Thompson’s lawyer obviously wanted him to do. Webb had no idea what gun that was. Hell, neither do we. All of these guys involved have a bunch of firearms. The last thing that is going to be good for Thompson is for Webb to start jumping to conclusions and inventing a story about what happened to Thompson when he hadn’t even been able to talk to him yet.

Maybe it would have looked really good if Webb gave some big speech where he said what he thought probably happened. But if you think about it for a minute, common sense tells us that it probably would have hurt Thompson in the long run. Better to really be a friend to Thompson than to showboat over it.

My posts over at Rule .303 to which I think you are referring are not intended to be explanations of this whole thing with Webb’s aide. I hope that you didn’t get that impression. Rather, this matter brought some things to the surface about this division among 2nd Amendment advocates that I had been pondering for a long time. Here I am watching Democratic gun owners trashing Republican gun owners for their party’s faults and Republican gun owners trashing Democratic gun owners for their party’s faults. And this is all in conversations about gun ownership where we all agree about the fundamentals. It’s idiotic. Webb aside, I think that it is absolutely essential for a unified 2nd Amendment rights community to be forged in which we leave all of the other political crap at the door when firearms come up. The rest of the time, fire at will.

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By: John Light

John Light — Thu, 29 Mar 2007 15:06:27 +0000

Just a VERY few famous War Vets in history I have issues with:

Gen. Sherman, Corporal Adolph Hitler, PFC Lee Harvey Oswald, and former Marine officer Jim Webb (ok, how come it is SOOO difficult to find his RANK when he was in the Marines???).

So, does being a vet give you a free pass? Absolutely not. Heck, I have issues with John McCain - I do salute HIS honorable service and admire him to no end for his survival in the POW camps, but just as we ALL are sick and tired of HIS war stories (yes John, we have heard that one before), so are we sick of Jim Webb and the antics he pulls on others.

The election of Jim Webb WAS a temper-tantrum by the voters - the Conservatives stayed home and the Liberals came out in force. If not for Allen’s missteps, Webb NEVER would have had a chance. So far, Jim continues to NOT impress me. Mr. Webb, it’s time to ACT LIKE THE MARINE YOU ONCE WERE. So much for Semper Fi

By: freedom

freedom — Thu, 29 Mar 2007 12:49:25 +0000

Couldn’t agree with you more, Greg….and you too, “Spank.” A “hero in war” turns “sissy” when it comes to supporting his baggage carrier. Perhaps it’s time for him to take off his boots in favor of well-earned silk slippers.

…brave enough to “take a publicity shot” at the President, but when it comes to supporting one of his own employees in the heat of battle, a limp-livered wuss!!

By: Spank That Donkey

Spank That Donkey — Thu, 29 Mar 2007 05:18:43 +0000

Didn’t Webb go to DC to Change the Way we do business and or culture of DC? Didn’t he campaign as a different kind of politician, or not a politician at all?

Greg, You are dead on! Webb is cowering at the DC culture.. if this were truly a mistake, he would have the courage to ‘give the facts of the matter’ and rail for change in the draconian DC gun laws….

He is a phony…. Great Post You should put this post in a separate category, like a Gregism….

Good Classic blogging! Bully! (Lowell, that mean’s Right On! in Teddy language)

By: Greg L

Greg L — Thu, 29 Mar 2007 04:07:47 +0000

This isn’t about policy disagreement. I suspect that if Webb ever delivered on his supposed support for the Second Amendment, I’d be right there with him. This is about his character, which is shown in spades by him abandoning his staff member to sit in a crappy DC jail while he incomprehensibly denied any involvement in the incident and denied giving him the gun.

Leadership is in part about protecting your people. Jim Webb left his people in the lurch and ran away from his involvement in this incident. I am stunned that anyone would attempt to defend such utterly reprehensible behavior.

If he’s a strong supporter of the Second Amendment, I guess his support is about as strong as his support for his employees. When it’s convenient, he’s “strong”. When it’s not, he runs away like the coward that he is.

By: Chris

Chris — Thu, 29 Mar 2007 03:52:23 +0000

“If we want to have a policy disagreement with the man, fine. But let’s grant him his due as a warrior for the Nation”

THAT is liberal-talk.

While Greg’s language is provocative, his point stands. While Webb mugged for the cameras and proclaimed his love for the second amendment, he sure was mum on the fate of his friend who spent his birthday in leg irons. Being a war hero doesn’t exempt you from the sharpest criticisms, and given what his campaign did to George Allen I don’t have one ounce of sympathy for him. He completely threw Thompson under the bus and apparently was attmepting to score political points with 2nd amendment voters. I’m not impugning his “courage,” I’m questioning his judgement as a senator who represents all of us. Being a war hero doesn’t make him infallable, and if it does it looks like the Webb campaign was more succesful than I thought.

As it is, your notion that we should “thank him for his service” and do nothing else is ridiculous. Webb has commited a grevious blunder that reflects on the state he represents, and at its worst he left a LOADED gun in a bag and has let a loyal friend take the fall for his blunder while he grins it up for the cameras. Being a war hero doesn’t exempt you from being a terrible senator and freedom of speech dictates that all of us get to blast Webb however much we like.

By: NoVA Scout

NoVA Scout — Thu, 29 Mar 2007 02:38:36 +0000

Point 1: It’s clear that Thompson’s and Webb’s legal advisors are hovering over Webb’s statements. As a gunowner, I’m pleased that Webb (not my candidate, but a substantive guy nonetheless) is a strong supporter of the Second Amendment. Whatever he said or didn’t say about the Thompson incident is litigation maneuvering for Thompson. Point 2: I have no small problem thinking of a combat-decorated, wounded in combat Marine as a “pathetic sissy”, Greg. That’s liberal-talk. If we want to have a policy disagreement with the man, fine. But let’s grant him his due as a warrior for the Nation. If anyone here in the blogosphere with a better combat record wants to call Webb a sissy, I’ll listen (with some skepticism). But since most of us consider ourselves strong conservatives, I recommend against impugning the courage of Marine combat veterans. I don’t really care what their politics are at this juncture. They paid dues not only for themselves, but for a lot of us. I’ll fetch water for even the most Leninist/Trotsky-ite among them with a smile and a “thank-you for your service, sir.” And Webb is a considerable way from being a radical leftist.

By: Riley, Not O'Reilly

Riley, Not O'Reilly — Thu, 29 Mar 2007 01:56:49 +0000

Furthermore, Webb has not signed on as a cosponsor of S. 1001, a bill to restore Second Amendment rights in the District of Columbia. So far, 41 senators have signed on as cosponsors of the bill including Democrats Max Baucus (MT), Jon Tester (MT), and Ben Nelson (NE). No Jim Webb. I guess the people of the District of Columbia aren’t good enough for the same right that Jim Webb abuses. Virtucon contributor Jim Rittinger called Webb’s office and asked him to cosponsor this bill. He was told Webb would not be doing so. Hypocrisy, thy name is Jim “Thinskin” Webb (D-WashPo).

http://virginiavirtucon.wordpress.com/2007/03/28/more-webb-o-irony/