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On Faisal Gill’s Kickoff
By Greg L | 1 April 2007 | 51st HOD District | 37 Comments
Reports on Faisal Gill’s campaign kickoff are starting to show up, and by those accounts it seems that this was a pretty successful event. It’s looking like Faisal is beginning to recover from some of his early missteps and instead of coming apart, his campaign seems to be gathering some momentum, despite some continuing fallout from earlier mistakes. I had been wondering whether his campaign would survive all the way to the convention, and perhaps by sheer determination Faisal Gill will at least struggle on.
Instead of running from some of the controversies, Faisal seems to be embracing them, however. In attendance at the kickoff was Grover Norquist, the subject of some disturbing Frank Gaffney articles, as well as Suhail Khan. Faisal and Suhail moderated a 2002 Muslim Student Association conference session on Muslim political activism where they talked about “cultivating the society for Islam” and helping to develop political awareness and participation by the Muslim community in the political process. They seem to have a longstanding personal friendship as well as finding themselves advocating for the same policy objectives and belonging to the same organizations. About Suhail Khan, Debbie Schussel has this to say:
But Khan is an Islamist who invited terror supporters and anti-Semites to the Bush White House (where he once worked) and whose father brought Al-Qaeda leader Ayman Al-Zawahiri into the United States to raise money for Al-Qaeda. His father, Mahboob Khan, late founder and head of the Santa Clara Mosque, brought Zawahiri into the U.S. twice on a fake passport in the mid-’90s to raise money for Al-Qaeda.
It would be different if the junior Khan did not share his father’s views. But Khan invited his father’s former congregant and Islamic leader, Hamza Yusuf, to the White House to meet with President Bush, according to the Wall Street Journal. That, despite this Yusuf utterance: “The Jews would have us believe that God has this bias to this little small tribe in the Middle of the Sinai desert and all the rest of humanity is just rubbish. I mean that this is the basic doctrine of the Jewish religion and that’s why it is a most racist religion.” Yusuf is an associate of Yusuf Islam (Cat Stevens), who is on the “no fly list” and was kicked out of Israel for raising and distributing money for HAMAS.
Suhail Khan is now in a leadership role within the Islamic Free Market Institute, the same “Islamic Institute” that Faisal Gill worked for in 2001. Also appearing at Muslim Student Association events are Asim Ghafoor, a prompter of Sharia law in the United States and Faisal Gill’s law partner and longtime associate from back during the time of Faisal’s work on behalf of the American Muslim Council. The Muslim Student Association is a largely Saudi-backed Islamic organization that promotes the Wahhabi version of Islam as a “religion of peace”, and tries to indoctrinate American college students to convert to Islam (see here). The same cast of characters show up in Suhail Khan’s biography that seem to make cameo appearances in any thorough discussion of Faisal Gill’s history, including Sami Al-Arian and Abduraman Alamoudi.
So while Faisal Gill is busily pooh-poohing the concerns that folks like Michelle Malkin, Frank Gaffney, Debbie Schussel and myself share as being ridiculous misunderstandings, he seems to be demonstrating how necessary it is to ask these questions about his associations with some troubling individuals and the nature of the work he has done on behalf of the organizations they have led. With additional evidence now that these associations continue, it would be a lot more informative to hear about the details of Faisal Gill’s political resume instead of the usual conservative themed campaign soundbites. I suspect those soundbites are all that Faisal Gill is willing to provide, though.
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Unfortunately, Del. Lingamfelter delivered a speech at the Gill event in which Lingamfelter said that he was eager to serve alongside Faisal Gill in Richmond.
Someone who knows Del. Lingamfelter needs to sit down with him and communicate our concerns. In particular I would ask Del. Lingamfelter if he is aware that Faisal Gill was the chief lobbyist for the American Muslim Council in the aftermath of 9-11.
I would then ask Del. Lingamfelter if he agrees that it was immoral for Faisal Gill to be the chief lobbyist for an organization founded and headed by the imprisoned terrorist Abdurahman Alamoudi which told Moslems not to talk to the FBI.
How, I would ask, did Del. Lingamfelter expect the FBI to solve 9-11 if Moslems would not speak to the FBI?
If anyone who knows Del. Lingamfelter is willing to speak to him about Gill’s record at the American Muslim Council then please e-mail me. I will provide the specifics and the additional information.
It boggles my mind that the PWC Republican machine is actually going to try and convince the public to vote for a former chief lobbyist for the American Muslim Council.
It boggles my mind. You can wave all the American flags you want. You can prattle about patriotism and family values all you want. You can march around in campaign photo shoots wearing a supersized reservists uniform (in violation of military regulations) all you wish.
Faisal’s actions at the AMC speak louder than words.
This being your 911th post is too ironic for words.
Surprisingly, one speaker brought up the fact the Jesus was just a prophet, like Mohammed and Moses right before easter. A few people were not pleased by that.
Well, my own blog is down for some retooling so I work out here on BVBLs blog. I wasn’t aware I had posted 911 times however. Maybe a few hundred at most.
NLS, when we do the lunch that I won we can discuss this matter if you wish. For those who are not aware, I “won” the NLS NCAA pool by finishing dead last among more than a hundred other competitors.
I believe the NCAA tourney is still going on but I ran up such a big “lead” that NLS had to award me the prize (lunch) early.
“”"one speaker brought up the fact the Jesus was just a prophet, like Mohammed and Moses right before easter”"”
Which speaker. Was it Del. Lingamfelter?
Jon, it is BVBL’s 911th post- not yours. Look at the top in the URL.
“one speaker brought up the fact the Jesus was just a prophet, like Mohammed and Moses right before easter”
This was the ministers comments I believe. I applaud Greg for giving this event accurate coverage (acknowledgeing a successful event) even though he does not support Gill. It will be a very interesting conclusion to a good competition with two good candidates in my opinion.
I am sure there will be more fireworks to come.
Maybe someone can put up portions of the speech. This should be very illuminating.
“”"“one speaker brought up the fact the Jesus was just a prophet, like Mohammed and Moses right before easter”
This was the ministers comments I believe.”"”
Last time I checked it was the position of both Catholics and Protestants that Jesus was God incarnate and not a prophet. It is highly unlikely that a Christian minister would downgrade Jesus to a mere prophet.
It is also curious that such a theological matter was part of Faisal’s kickoff.
The minister gave a very ecuminical speach.
Did you attend the even Jonathan?
“”"The minister gave a very ecuminical speach.”"”
Did you attend the even Jonathan?”"”
I don’t care how ecumenical the speech was. The divinity of Christ is a basic Christian doctrine. That is common knowledge and not properly subject to debate among educated persons.
It is farfetched to think that a Christian minister would reduce Jesus’s role in Christianity to that of a prophet, the equal of Moses and Mohammed (the latter is not a prophet at all in Christianity.)
If indeed a speaker at Faisal’s kickoff made such a statement I find it bizarre that such a theological matter was part of Faisal’s campaign. That is further reason to be concerned about Faisal’s extremist ties dating back to his serving as the chief lobbyist in 2001 for the imprisoned terrorist Abdurahman Alamoudi’s American Muslim Council.
If Charles has an MP3 of this comment then perhaps he could clear this up.
Actually the Bible tells us that Jesus is prophet, priest and King. It is not inaccurate to describe Jesus as a prophet, although leaving it at just that I believe may not be a sound way to fulfill God’s instruction to us about how we should witness our faith. Without having heard the prayer though, I am reluctant to pass judgment on it. If it was a trained pastor in the Christian faith, I’m pretty sure it would pass muster with me.
Is Mohammad a prophet in Christianity also then?
“”"one speaker brought up the fact the Jesus was just a prophet,”"”
“Just a prophet” is inconsistent with the divinity of Jesus. I doubt that it passes muster with you. Even if it does, the divinity of Jesus is a fundamental Christian doctrine and has been for 2000 years.
It is not within the power of a Faisal Gill supporter to redefine Christian doctrine. If that is how Faisal wishes to kickoff his campaign then it is pretty strange.
If Charles would provide an MP3 of the offending speech, assuming that Charles has one, it could serve to clear this up.
I was there and I heard the prayer. If the minister said that, I just missed it…which is possible, because I was so turned-off by our elected officials and their patronage that my mind was in other places.
Corey Stewart was the emcee; Michelle McQuigg introduced Lt Gov Bolling who went on and on about how Faisal had supported him ahd how wonderful he thought Faisal was….Bolling then introduced Ken Cuccinelli who essentially said the same things Bolling did (about support) and added how Faisal would support our Constitution, the traditional family, and the right to bear arms. Then came Scott Lingamfelter, the “revivalist”….roaring to the attendees, “Are you gonna get out there and work to get this man nominated”? Pausing, of course for the responsive “YES”!! Lingamfelter then said, “I want each of you to to bring 10 people to the convention…and offer to pick ‘em up…take ‘em to lunch…but get them to vote for this man.” On and on….
Finally Faisal spoke, and by this time, I had had just about all I could take…praising his endorsers…and then, HE got revivalistic….talking about transportation, family and taxes. I left before he finished
Our politicians know of Faisal’s past…they know of his “leadership/organizational skills”….they know all of this, there is no question. However, there is something more important to them than all this…is it the support he gave to get THEM elected??…like Bill Bolling said, “You were there for me and now, I’m here for you”!!! I certainly hope that’s all it is….
No, Mohammed has no standing in Christain theology and is not informative on how to obtain salvation.
I don’t know if it was a “just a prophet” or not, and not having seen enough on this to make an informed opinion on this, it’s hard to say more. If I say this is wrong, not knowing more, and it’s actually not, I’m putting my own soul at risk. False teaching is serious stuff, which is what this could border on.
Hopefully we’ll learn more soon and be in a better position to make the right call here. Until then, let’s leave this in the “potentially troubling” category. Even if there’s something wrong here, sending a kind note to the speaker about how he witnesses might be a better course of action than making this a campaign issue.
Muslims typically refer to Jesus as a prophet and not as Christ. If they did say it, so what? Muslims still have freedom of religion. I hear in club meetings all the time benedictions thanking Jesus Christ and I am not Christian. Do I object? No, because it is their right to pray to him. It so happens the majority there are Christians. So let Gill pray to Allah if he wants to already.
I caught the prophet remark but there were others who were more offended than I was at first. This small episode points to several the problems the campaign will have to deal with. The whole campaign is going to be a precarious balancing act about Mr. Gill’s past and his current positions on the issues. From illegal immigration and his real stance, to fighting the war on terror, to taxes.
“”"Muslims typically refer to Jesus as a prophet and not as Christ. If they did say it, so what? Muslims still have freedom of religion.”"”
Absolutely. Making such a theological statement is strange at a campaign kickoff, however. Is the purpose to convince the audience to support Faisal, or to convince the audience that Jesus is only a prophet and not divine?
“”"I hear in club meetings all the time benedictions thanking Jesus Christ and I am not Christian.”"”
I would consider such behavior strange at a political campaign kickoff. The question is not whether Faisal has a right to offer such benedictions at his campaign kickoff but whether such behavior is strange.
“”"So let Gill pray to Allah if he wants to already.”"”
Agreed. It is still strange behavior at a campaign kickoff, however.
I think there was one Christian minister and then there was another minister, Imam? at the end of the ceremony. By trying to be inclusive of every faith, a few feathers were ruffled. What can you can you do when there are some diametrically opposed faiths in the same room with different values systems.
The bigger problem is how Gill votes as a delegate. Will sharia law be the guide on issues or will the “judeo Christian” and “muslim” heritage be his guide post. This is a question to ask.
“”"By trying to be inclusive of every faith, a few feathers were ruffled. “”"
It was not inclusive of every faith to say that Jesus was only a prophet like Moses or Mohammad. It was directly contradictory to two faiths and an expression of the beliefs of the third.
Islam and a non-normative form of Christianity in which Jesus is not divine are not “every faith.”
“”"Will sharia law be the guide on issues or will the “judeo Christian” and “muslim” heritage be his guide post.”"”
Countries governed according to “Muslim heritage” are unpleasant places to live right now. I refuse to set foot in one for fear of violence. This violence is now exported westward, thanks in part to lobbyist Faisal’s former employer or client, the imprisoned terrorist mastermind Abdurahman Alamoudi.
Faisal’s job at the AMC in 2001 was to clean up the image of the extremist group, which Alamoudi founded and led. This is an outrage, and Faisal’s endorsers Cooch, Bolling, Lingamfelter and Stewart are outrageous.
Bolling in particular sells out the War on Terror for a $14,000 contribution from the AMC chief lobbyist Faisal Gill. Bolling disgusts me. When endorsing Gill all that fat pol can talk about is how much Faisal supported him. What if Kennedy assassin Sirhan Sirhan supported Bolling and gave him money? Would Bolling support Sirhan Sirhan?
Is that what this is about? That Gill gave Bolling $14,000, and Julie Lucas did not, so Bolling goes for the money?
“Countries governed according to “Muslim heritage” are unpleasant places to live right now. I refuse to set foot in one for fear of violence. This violence is now exported westward, thanks in part to lobbyist Faisal’s former employer or client, the imprisoned terrorist mastermind Abdurahman Alamoudi.”
Unpleasant in your eyes. The Muslims seem to enjoy their way of living. Perhaps you can be a little less judgemental.
“Bolling in particular sells out the War on Terror for a $14,000 contribution from the AMC chief lobbyist Faisal Gill. Bolling disgusts me. When endorsing Gill all that fat pol can talk about is how much Faisal supported him. What if Kennedy assassin Sirhan Sirhan supported Bolling and gave him money? Would Bolling support Sirhan Sirhan?”
Welcome to the real world big boy! The Dems have taken Muslim money before and never complained. Look at Dingell. His *constituency* is majority-Muslim and that is where he gets his money and demands of his attention. Muslims live amongst us and they contribute to the electoral process. Get over it.
“”"“Countries governed according to “Muslim heritage” are unpleasant places to live right now. I refuse to set foot in one for fear of violence. This violence is now exported westward, thanks in part to lobbyist Faisal’s former employer or client, the imprisoned terrorist mastermind Abdurahman Alamoudi.”
Unpleasant in your eyes. The Muslims seem to enjoy their way of living. Perhaps you can be a little less judgemental. “”"”
You are wrong.
I indeed form a judgement about whether I want to be governed by “Muslim heritage” and I do not wish to be.
You also form a judgement about whether you want to be governed by “Muslim heritage.” But you do wish to be.
You are no more or less judgemental than I. We simply arrive at different judgements about the desirablity of being governed according to “Muslim heritage.”
The positive reference to government according to “Muslim heritage” was posted on this board in partial defense of Faisal. Perhaps Faisal might wish to deny the claim in his defense that Faisal seeks to govern according to “Muslim heritage.”
“Bolling in particular sells out the War on Terror for a $14,000 contribution from the AMC chief lobbyist Faisal Gill. Bolling disgusts me. When endorsing Gill all that fat pol can talk about is how much Faisal supported him. What if Kennedy assassin Sirhan Sirhan supported Bolling and gave him money? Would Bolling support Sirhan Sirhan?”
Welcome to the real world big boy! The Dems have taken Muslim money”"”"
Welcome to the real world yourself. I wasn’t talking about Muslim money, I was talking about FAISAL GILL’s $14,000 donation to Bolling. You changed the subject of my post and then went of on an irrelevent tangent.
Is that Dirk Diggler?
I don’t want Government in my bedroom.
I don’t want G-d in politics.
I don’t want G-d in the Boardroom.
Why? Because of people like Gill who will abuse and exploit the priviledge.
REMEMBER…never forget….my great grandfather, and 9 great aunts and uncles died in the Holocaust. It can happen again. My grandfather kept a journal. He wrote that In Poland they received word of what was happening years in advance but it was almost too much to believe. Some Polanders fled, while others waited to be sure only to decide much too late to flee, and some refused to believe any of it and did nothing.
Thank you Greg and Jonathon for doing something.
Some people believe that Jews have earned the wrath of God.
Jews and Christians both have earned the wrath of Allah by failing to follow Islam, and also have lost the way by following the teachings of the Torah for the Jews or the Bible for Christians.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55049
After what happened to Daniel Pearl in Pakistan I am a little leery of countries governed by “Islamic heritage.” Pakistan is definitely unsafe for Jews to be in. An American reporter said on NPR that a kindly fundamentalist reacted with surprise when she told him she was Jewish.
He said that for her own safety she ought not to tell anyone in Pakistan that. He said that he was trained to kill Jews.
If one of Faisal’s speakers in fact proposed governing America based on Islamic heritage then I am well within my rights to oppose Faisal’s candidacy on that basis alone.
Faisal is responsible for what his scheduled speakers say from the podium at his campaign rallies. If Faisal after the fact disagrees with what is said he needs to make that clear, preferably at the rally itself.
I hope that Charles of twoconservatives.com will make MP3s of the speakers available so that we can study them. I am particularly interested in remarks by a nominally Christian minister and an imam.
They did mention Judeo, Christian, Muslim heritage for America at the rally. That is the polite innocuous way of speaking about Sharia law I suppose. They will have to explain what they mean by Muslim heritage. The campaign brought it up without defining the term.
Will we have pro Khomeini imams giving prayers on the floor of the house of delegates in Virginia, such as what happened in Texas? I can deal with moderate Muslims, but it seems like there are a lot of extremist muslims who portray themselves as moderates.
Just like there are moderate republicans who portray themselves as very conservative and we see what problems that brings with tax issues, budget issues etc.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55049
Is Faisall Gill a shiite or a sunni or another type of Muslim?
Maybe an apology would be in order from the Imam or the Gill campaign for down grading the Christian faith so close to easter. Several christians were offended by the remarks. Obviously the campaign should have taken more care to look at the comments that were introduced into the campaign.
This debate is amazing, especially from people who were not even there and have no idea what was said. The “imam” was simply another Muslim, and not a religious official at all. If you had been there, you would know he had said, “whether you believe in the Prophet Mohammed, or Jesus, or Moses, or any of the prophets that are part of Judaism, Christianity and Islam, we all trace our roots back to the Prophet Abraham, and Adam. Christians, Jews and Muslims all share the same faith and the same belief in the same God, and the same Judeao-Christian-Muslim heritage”.
I am astounded at the level of distortion by some commentators, of words that were clearly an attempt to show that everyone at that event was bound together by a shared faith in God. This kind of “reading-into”, and attributing motives that were never there, is bizarre.
There is something sad about any person who would put this kind of sinister spin on innocent remarks - without even hearing them! As a Muslim myself, I sincerely hope that no Christian would have found any grounds for offense in remarks that were obviously intended to show a common ground, and the shared values of these three faiths. I am honored to hear a Christian or a Jew speak well of Mohamed, and I would hope Christians and Jews would likewise be pleased when a Muslim ackowledges his common roots in their beliefs as well.
I think it is better to applaud this obvious effort to reach out to other communities, rather than try to find some evil intent therein. Are those who seek evil intent perhaps themselves driven by that?
Actually, I can see a lot of Christians having a problem with what was said. The speaker seems to misunderstand a lot about the Christian faith, and while I am certain he meant no offense, I can easily see some being disturbed by what was said.
Greg’s concerns are valid, but they miss a key point. Christians of course believe Jesus is the Son of God; Muslims believe Jesus is a Prophet of God. When a Muslim hears a Christian say that Jesus is the Son of God, he is not offended, nor does he find that statement to be degrading to Islam. It is simply a fact of Christian belief. Why then should a Christian feel offended to hear a Muslim refer to Jesus as a Prophet? That is simply a fact of Muslim belief. There is no pejorative whatsoever in either the Christian or the Muslim statement on this. Islam in fact holds Jesus in the highest possible honor.
The Christian Minister at the event referred to Jesus in a way that would be expected of a Christian. None of the Muslims there felt even the slightest hint of discomfort by such statements. I have attended countless interfaith dialogs, with very qualified Christian and Muslim religious authorities sharing the podium. They understand that their religions differ on this point - yet they are always willing to accept the other’s point of view, without feeling it “attacks” their faith. Where is the difference? Why should anyone feel threatened because someone’s beliefs differ somewhat from their own?
All people of faith should be pleased that Faisal wanted to include a simple prayer, and to invoke the blessings of God on everyone there. He had a Christian and a Muslim speak. This should be commended, and not seen as some “diabolical plot” to degrade anyone’s beliefs. I find it commendable to seek to bring communal faith into politics, and to show that whether we are Christian, Jew, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist or any other faith, we are all Americans.
Islam does not hold Jesus in the highest possible honor. Remember when Muslims took over manger square in Bethleham. To refer to Jesus as a mere prophet is offensive. Christians will politely disagree with that statement.
We are offended by changing Judeao Christian heritage to judeao-Christian-Muslim heritage. The founding fathers from Virginia shared a world view and philosophy based on a different world view than Muslims.
Most Muslims do not like democracy and claim that their muslim religion is against democratic principles.
The reason we feel threatened by Muslim beliefs is that millions of muslims are on worldwide rampage targeting Christians and Jews.
If fact just several miles up the road two grenades were found at Reagan National Airport on Friday March 30, 2007.
http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/DCairport
A christian book store was just blown up today and several YMCA’s have been threatened in the future.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55207
Unfortunately, Mr. Faisal Gill and his associates seem to have many connections to convicted terrorists.
Mr Faisal Gill has a duty to disclose what he has or hasn’t done with these terror connected groups in detail. He is asking us for our votes, yet feels he doesn’t have to defend his work record with regard to these groups run by convicted terrorists.
The views of “Another Attendee” are so wrong it is hard to know where to begin.
“Islam does not hold Jesus in the highest honor”? You clearly know little about Islam. Jesus is honored as one of the most important Prophets of God. There is NO HIGHER HONOR possible in this religion.
I already explained that Islam does not consider Jesus to be the Son of God. Why is it offensive to you to hear this? Would it not therefore be equally offensive to Muslims to hear you say Jesus IS the Son of God? Yet we take no offense at that - it is simply your belief as a Christian, and we accept that. To be “offended” by someone else’s belief is simply showing hatred of others. You attribute that kind of hatred to Muslims - yet you are the one who refuses to accept that someone might believe differently from you. I welcome anyone to politely disagree with me, as I might disagree with them - but I cannot welcome anyone who condemns my faith simply because it differs from his own. Your hatred is obvious.
You refuse a Judeao-Christian-Muslim heritage, but accept a Judeao-Christian heritage. Does it not seem inconsistent that Judaism does not consider Jesus to be the Son of God, or even a Prophet of God, and does not even afford any place of honor to him? Jews consider Jesus just a rabbi, yet you are obviously not “offended” by Jewish doctrine, and seem to find no contradiction in a joint Jewish-Christian heritage. Is that not completely inconsistent? How do you explain that so many Jewish and Christians leaders do accept a joint heritage with Muslims?
“The founding fathers had a different world view than Muslims.” Again, simply not true. The Founding Fathers thought enough of the principle of Freedom of Religion to enshrine it in the Bill of Rights. They did not allow “freedom of religion - all except Islam”. I suspect had you been one of the Founding Fathers, the “freedom of religion” part might have been somewhat more narrow!
When a European statesman asked George Washington why the new United States would tolerate Jews, Washington replied that America does not TOLERATE Jews, it ACCEPTS them as Americans just like anyone else. I suspect George would have given the same response about Muslims had he been asked. Even President Thomas Jefferson enjoyed very good relations with some Muslim nations in North Africa. You may want to check your history before you make such sweeping (and erroneous) claims.
You ask me to remember what happened in Manger Square. I do not know your reference, but I do know Bethlehem was ruled by Muslims for over 1000 years, and the fact that Manger Square still exists, and did so for all those 1000 years, is stark proof that your contention is 100 % wrong. And perhaps you should remember that when Jerusalem was conquered by the Christians in the First Crusade, all Muslims, Jews - AND EVEN ORTHODOX CHRISTIANS - in the city were butchered by the Crusaders, who bragged about “making the streets run red with blood”. The Crusaders made the Al Aqsa Mosque into a stable for their horses! When the Muslims re-conquered Jerusalem, the Christian inhabitants were spared, and allowed to leave safely, or to remain if they chose, and the Church was allowed to continue its services - for the next 900 years! AS were Jewish temples. In fact, the Church of the Holy Sepulchre - one of the holiest places in Christendom - was saved from any damage by a Muslim officer in Saladin’s army - whose family was then given the keys to the Church by the grateful priests there, and still holds them to this day! These are not spurious claims - this is simple history. This may contradict your views, but we cannot re-write history to support your biases.
Muslims ruled Jersusalem for over 1000 years, and it still remains a center of faith for Christians and Jews - as well as Muslims. If Muslims were so determined to attack Christianity, why spare all these Christian and Jewish holy places? They could easily have been destroyed and no one could have prevented it. Yet the Muslims allowed them to continue. Check your history before making your specious claims about Muslim actions.
There are lunatic misguided Muslims who believe it is OK to attack non-Muslims. However, they do NOT number on the millions, and the overwhelming majority of Muslims condemn such attacks as a disgrace and a perversion of Islam. But the incidents at Columbine, at Oklahoma City, even at Aushwitz or Dachau, show that Islam has no monopoly on madness and lunatic unjustified murder.
I too read the reports of the grenades at the airport, but unlike you, I could find no indication that they belonged to Muslims. How were you able to discern that fact when the police could not? If bookstores or YWCAs have been attacked, the overwhelming majority of Muslims would condemn those senseless acts.
FG’s connections have been thoroughly checked by the FBI and Department of Homeland Security, and no one has ever found any indication of the nefarious linkages you claim. If you have proof of his involvement in such activities, why not call in the FBI? Making such insinuations on a website site is tanatmount to the kind of anonymous denunciations characteristic of Germany in the 1930’s and 40’s, or the Soviet Union thereafter. This is NOT the America that I served to protect during the Vietnam War, or that my father fought for in WWII, or my grandfather fought for in WWI.
If you dislike the policies and viewpoints of a politician, take issue with them. But to make claims that have no basis in fact, and no truth whatsoever, is really verging on slander. That is not the America where I grew up.
Why did you even attend FG’s event if you feel so strongly against him, and are so ready to believe the worst, and spread these clearly false claims?
We could debate the crusades all day but we should try to deal in the present. In 2002 palestinian gunman took over the church of the Nativity.
http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:Gl72yUsjatwJ:www.nationalreview.com/comment/comment-cohen042402.asp+nativity+terrorist&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=9&gl=us
Christians are fleeing the Mid East in record numbers.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51454
Is this how “the society will be cultivated for Islam?”
Enforcing sharia law in Virginia next?
http://comment.independent.co.uk/columnists_a_l/johann_hari/article2496657.ece
This is just in for the US.
Establishing muslim prayer centers at airports. I presume Dulles Airport is next.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55417