Fotis Files For Sheriff
By Greg L | 20 April 2007 | Prince William County | 70 Comments
In a surprise move, former New York police officer and Executive Director of the Law Enforcement Alliance of America Jim Fotis has filed with the State Board of Elections as a candidate for Prince William County Sheriff. He has driven the Brady Campaign absolutely nuts with his strong defense of Second Amendment rights and has strong qualifications, although he is pretty much unknown to county voters at this point. Fotis is a compelling candidate, and will significantly change the dynamic in this race.
As good a candidate as Fotis is, I’m not sure why he feels compelled to run for Sheriff. Someone with this kind of policy experience would make a great candidate for a legislative office, and filling out the rest of his career as a Sheriff doesn’t seem to be the best use for his considerable talents. There may not be much in the way of current openings for a county supervisor or general assembly race where he lives right now, but it always seems that there are never enough qualified candidates available when openings do so frequently happen.
Besides, no matter how good a candidate he is, Glen Hill has done a great job as Sheriff this term and there really is no rationale in trying to replace him. As an administrator and leader of the Sheriff’s Department, Hill has done an exemplary job of cleaning up the mess left by Stoffregen and Messier. He’s clearly the right man in the right place at the right time. I know there’s a right place and a right time for Fotis, but this doesn’t seem to be that right place and this isn’t the right time.
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Is he running as a republican? That would put three people on the ballot in the primary.
Is he running as an independent? I agree he is a good candidate, but Glen has done the job and has led the department in a professional manor.
He is running for the Republican nomination.
Sheriff Hill has been seen knocking on doors with Lucas in the 51st District Delegate race. Lets keep an eye on Fotis’ campaign report, maybe we’ll find a gift from Gill. Fotis may have received some encouragement to run as Hill’s retribution. Sheriff Hill has served us well.
All Glendell has accomplished is increase spending, cut services and collected over $460 thousand dollars from the taxpayers
Spending this year will decrease by $100K. How is this supposed to be a spending increase?
Does Glendell believe in don’t ask, don’t tell?
There’s that same Anonymous who only addresses the yearly salary for Sheriff ($115K) as taking $460K (4 years of salary) from the taxpayer…like it’s some kind of a grant for studying kite flying on the Mall. Ya got an agenda there don’t ya fella.
Yes, James J, Fotis is running for Sheriff. You all can check out his website at www.fotisforsheriff.com
You will note, and I applaud, that he is NOT attacking the others running for this office. He is running as a candidate who will make some changes…. to include making the Office of Sheriff part of the bigger ‘conservative team’ in the political sense. I think this concept is quite laudable and — as a hard-corp conservative of many years, — think it is about darn time.
I think it is spot on that the good people of PW (I’m stuck in Fairfax, BTW) have the option of a conservative Sheriff….
I know that Greg has said many good things about Hill and I am not trying to take away from that, BUT, when you put Fotis head to head with Hill I think the difference is clear, Fotis is the better — and for more conservative — candidate. In the end, every once in a while, isn’t that what we want in an R primary… a choice to move to the more conservative side of the column.
It seems to me, if the option is fairly placed before R voters that many, will chose to ‘trade-up’.
I just want this guy in a position where he can vote on legislation. As Sheriff he can’t make law, he enforces it. You can be conservative or liberal, but as long as you diligently manage the department in an effective manner, your politics don’t make all that much difference.
It seems like a waste of his talents. He needs to be in a position to vote on legislation, not be an administrator of a law enforcement agency. No doubt he can do the job, but why would he want to?
At least we will have a clear choice for sheriff.
Hill, who will do the bare minimum. Will do things that are mandated or required, he is not going to do anymore.
Fotis, who sounds like Stoffregen’s brother from another mother. He wants to do everything.
Messier, who is somewhere in the middle of the other two.
I can’t hardly belive my eyes. Anonymous compares Fotis to Stoffregen?!? How did he get there. Look at the FotisforSheriff website and you will see what Fotis is about. I see nothing in there to suggest this kind of labeling/attacking. If “Anon” thinks he knows more, or something we don’t upon which he makes his claims then let him say so. If not, then stop making stuff up!
To Greg’s point that Fotis is potentially so well qualified that he should run for other office, well that may be true. He is, however, running for Sheriff. Voters must pick who they would rather have as Sheriff… in effect, do they want to ‘trade up’; I think many ‘R’s’ will want to.
And, Greg, whats wrong with having a Conservative Sheriff anyway? I mean, I know he does not make law, but he does have one heck of a bully pulpit from which to advance conservative ideas, many of which have the possiblity of making PW Co a better place in which to live and/or raise a family. I get it that you think Hill has done okay in his job; but don’t you think it is a good thing to have a more conservative guy (who is presumably at least as qualified as Hill is) to be Sheriff.
Actually, the pulpit for the Sheriff is pretty minimal, especially compared to what even a member of the House of Delegates has available. I just wish that Fotis had an opportunity to run for the state senate, where those conservative voices would actually have a substantial impact. Not that he’s in the right district for this, but I’d love to replace someone like Toddy Puller with Fotis.
Interested Party,
Glendell Hill has accomplished so little, he has weakened the Office of Sheriff here in PWC.
“weakened?” He had to pretty much rebuild the department in the aftermath of what Lee Stoffregen had done to it.
As for “accomplished so little”, I’d say that obtaining 100% accountability of all firearms, revoking credentials from those without training or background checks, restoring the function of equipment used to screen visitors to the courthouse, fixing the broken relationship with the PWC Police Department, and improving the amount of training deputies and administrators receive is hardly “little.”
Saying that Fotis should run as the Conservative alternative to Hill and that it is a “good thing” is like saying that George Allen should have run against George Bush for President in 2004. When you have a Republican that all people tend to like (except for those who hide behind anonymity), it is the generally accepted rule and practice NOT to run against that office-holder.
Hill has already made it thru Discovery. Let’s say that he WAS to lose the Republican nomination. Then, his victor runs against the Dem and it comes to pass that the NEW Republican nominee has a tainted past that was not discovered prior to his nomination. What has been done is to remove someone from office who WAS popular and doing the job well and handed the nomination to a Dem.
All it would take would be a “fixed” convention run by people who secretly support the opposing candidate. But then again, that would NEVER happen in Prince William County, would it?!
Glendell has accomplished nothing for the Office of Sheriff. Glendell has accomplished nothing for the community. And most important, Glendell has accomplished nothing for the people.
Isn’t it interesting that John can complain about “those who hide behind anonymity” without being savaged?
I’d say that recovering weapons owned by the department from Stoffregen which he kept after being voted out and placed under indictment is far more than “nothing”, as was the recovery of other weapons which were improperly provided to other persons not in the Sheriff’s department. I’d say his concrete measures to revoke the credentials improperly provided to Stoffregen’s campaign contributors and concrete steps to ensure accountability for those credentials is far more than “nothing” as well. Now the metal detectors and X-ray machines at the courthouse are fully functional when many were inoperable in the past. Now deputies get top-notch training from places like the FBI Academy, something never done before. Now the Sheriff’s department isn’t in a pissing match with PWC Police Department over who does what on a weekly basis, their respective roles are well defined, and there’s no duplication of effort.
That’s one heck of a lot of “nothing”. No matter how much you claim there’s no record of success here, it does in fact exist.
Glendell is a very good storyteller.
James, has sipping from the Faisal well caused you to abandon our friendship??? What exactly do you mean by your comment, “Isn’t it interesting that John can complain about ‘those who hide behind anonymity’ without being savaged?”
There are many things that you and I agree on, and candidates that you and I disagree on, but one thing I thought could not divide was the respect I THOUGHT we had for each other.
FYI, it does not bother men when someone offers an opinion behind “anonymity”, but when someone makes slanderous remarks WITHOUT providing proof, or the source of their comments, i.e. “Anonymous said at 10:58pm “Member X of the School Board raises taxes”, THEN I have a problem.
Remember, Jim, some people are not as thick skinned as you and I are, or, just don’t want to take the time to fill ANYTHING out, no matter how easy, because they post to a blog just once or twice.
John,
I don’t think that’s a dig at you from Mr. Young. I think it’s a dig at the posters in general on this website. Some of “us” come out swingin’ when Mr. Young comments on hiding behind the cloak of anonymity, but there was no such response to your comment. The difference may be in the delivery of said comments. And also a difference in the “target” - your target is quite clearly a non-Republican, Stoffregen supporter; many of the other anons are less clear in their perceived allegiance.
John,
Sorry about the appearance of my reply after your reply. Either your post delayed in posting or mine did. But your post at 3:15 definitely wasn’t there when I wrote at 3:56. And I know it didn’t take me nearly 45 mins. to write it.
Oh well.
This website looks like a terrorist website. Good job making Hill look like an idiot yourself
I haven’t seen a single thing that makes Sheriff Hill look like an idiot. There are some comments from former Stoffregen deputies, but no one takes them seriously because we know who pissed in their Wheaties.
All of you guys are making this campaign out to be more than what it really is. The core functions of the PW Sheriff’s Office are serving papers and court security. Lets not make the Sheriff’s Office out as the main law enforcement in PWC. Looking at the candidates, Hill has done a good job because all of those core functions were accomplished. Fotis sounds like a very good candidate but I feel he is just a carpet bagger from NY looking for a position. And last but not least is Messier, this man was second in command in an administration that was not just a joke but was criminal, either he was involved with what was going on or he is just a plain idiot.
Excerpt posted by Anonymous, April 25 at 1:27 AM on “More On The Latest Badge Seizure:”
“Sheriff E. Lee Stoffregen, III (D) (1996 – 2003)….tried to make the streets safe by running radar to slow down speeders and aggressive drivers (His activities created, not only redundancy and severe traffic jams, but bad blood between the Sheriff’s office and the County Police and led to Stoffregen’s demand for law enforcement grants for equipment which was needed by the legitimate law enforcement entity, plus his demands for additional funding from the PWC BOS) , had deputies respond to major crimes to get a quicker response to these crimes (performed by deputies who were not trained in those duties, and were only interested in beating the PWC Police to the site), never had a budget close to 7 million dollars (because he had an enormous slush fund and often utilized untrained “Auxiliary Deputies” who rushed to scenes where they had no business being to perform professional law enforcement duties, but primarily utilized those untrained deputies to perform the mandated duties of the Sheriff’s Dept. to pick up the slack).”
Parentheses are mine, of course.
Aside from the danger to public safety in having this enormous crew of untrained “deputies” who had purchased their badges rushing to dangerous situations just to “take over the scene” for the Sheriff (I suspect that there were plenty of “Rambos” in this bunch), how long do you think it would have taken (had Stoffregen been re-elected) for him to double his budget (if not more) in order to “properly train deputies for law enforcement duties” and supply his office with “adequate equipment and additional manpower” to safely pursue that which is under the auspices of the police departments of the County and Cities?
All the arguments that I’ve seen on this thread, and the others, from the pro-Messier crowd want nothing more than to bring back Stoffregen’s methods and agenda. What they seem to have forgotten (or have a vested interest in bringing it back) is that was EXACTLY why Glen Hill so thoroughly trounced Stoffregen, the incumbent, in the previous election…and Glen has been doing exactly what he was elected to do. Sorry folks…your logic is flawed and your candidate is just not going to get traction.
Concerned Citizens ‘concern’ about Fotis being a carpet bagger is NOT supported by the Facts. (Read the newstory in today’s Potomac News: http://www.potomacnews.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=WPN/MGArticle/WPN_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1173350985164&path=
The article is entitled, ” Former officer seeks GOP nod for sheriff” (4/28/07)
Fact is that Fotis has been living in NoVa for almost 20 years. Now if you want to slam him for only moving into the county fairly recently that would at least be a factually based statement. But, before anyone takes that tact, let me point out that many tens of thousands of folks have found themselves ‘newly moved’ into the county. Over the past few years I suspect its probably closer to a hundred thousand folks have found themselves as ‘newer’ county residents.
Residents that have been in PW Co for a mere year or two have as much right to become as politically involved as those that have been in the county for say, ten years.
And, from a party/politics position, it is good for the Party and good for the Commonwealth for residents to be encouraged to become active….. any other position is ill-founded and I think most folks will find it objectionable.
It would have been nice if his involvement in local politics as a candidate was preceded by his involvement supporting other candidates or being an active member of the county committee. We could have used someone like this in the ‘06 cycle to help George Allen win, for example.
When the first time he shows up he’s got a petition in his hand to run as a candidate, there’s bound to be questions. Those will need answers.
All due respect to you Greg, but Fotis has been supporting local conservative candidates for more than ten years. I’d invite you to see the www.fotisforsheriff.com website, under galleries, and you will see photos of Fotis supporting people like George Allen as just one example, for over ten years.
Fotis was one of the first law enforcement people to support George Allen — back when he was first running for Governor (same can be said for Bush). Since then Fotis has been beside or behind Allen at every major turn: policy and politically.
So, I think in all fairness you can’t claim that Fotis’ candidacy was not preceeded by years and years of local political support (and not just for Allen, it also included Gilmore, Kilgore, Early and many others). The facts are to the contrary of the concern raised. The first time he showed up in local PW Co. politics (as you say with his petition, witch is not quite totally correct) he arrived with a decade and half of history of supporting Conservative and/or Republican candidates…. FAR FAR more than any of the others running in this primary.
While on this topic, if we are talking about records supporting conservative politicians, I think the fair slam is to Hill on this count. I did not see him lift a finger to support Allen (I can’t find any record of him ever going on the campaign trail, giving money or helping lead the fight for any conservative political candidate ). And one other thing, and though this is just my opinion, it seems to me that had Hill decided to throw the weight of his office behind Allen you just might have seen Allen win PW Co. — and even if that is a little optimistic (and I don’t believe that it was NOT possible) he could have helped close the Allen/Webb gap. And, while we are at it, where was Hill when Bush was in the fight for his political life…. I see no record of Hill bustin his butt to help Bush…
So, while I support your idea of evaluating R-primary candidates at least in part by thier pedigree to help advance Conservatives/Party Candidates, I think Fotis beats Hill quite handily on this score. A fair evaluation of the past means that Fotis wins on this standard.
James J. Fotis’ candidacy for Prince William County Sheriff made the front page of this weekend’s newspaper!
In case you did not get to see the front page story I invite you to check it out via the tiny url:
http://tinyurl.com/265xp6
I hope that this campaign continues to gain attention and that all those planning on voting in the June Republican primary begin to seriously consider the question of do they want to send a strong political message and ‘Trade Up’ in this primary election.
Remember, www.fotisforsheriff.com
Glad to hear Fotis is in it. Sheriff Hill gets credit for cleaning house…but he cannot run well with a 23% increase in the PWC murder rate, 40% increase in the robbery rate.
How does an agency that is responsible for courthouse security, prisoner transport, serving process and such functions have any bearing on the county crime rate?
I’ve known Jim Fotis on a personal for 17 years, and I would recommend that anyone who is seriously considering voting for him to consider some facts he’d not like you to know.
Before Jim Fotis took over LEAA in 1991 he was a law enforcement “liaison” for the NRA. They hired him after he left the Lynbrook Police Department on a disability. Jim was going through a divorce and had also filed for personal bankruptcy at that time. Why is that relevant? Fotis had been an anti-gun lobbyist while with the Police Benevolent Association in New York. He wanted “assault rifles” banned at that time. What transformed Fotis into a “pro-gun” lobbyist? That’s what you should scrutinize more closely…..
Fotis took the NRA position while on disability and when filing for bankruptcy. When I knew him then he couldn’t get a credit card, his credit was so bad. He took the NRA position to get a fresh start, not because he believed in anything the NRA believed in.
In 1991, after LEAA took over financial responsibility for that organization (they were then fronting 100% of LEAA’s budget), Jim Fotis worked behind the scenes to become executive director of LEAA. He was successful in the effort very soon thereafter. After Fotis took over LEAA, it became embroiled in a tremendous web of lies and deceit. The membership numbers were cooked to assure continued NRA funding. With fewer than 10,000 full-dues-paying members, Fotis was telling people that he had 35,000 members. LEAA had 11,000-15,000 “associate” members when the Southern States Police Benevolent Association (SSPBA) affiliated with LEAA. SSPBA abruptly broke away from LEAA in 1994 when for what they perceived as a pattern of lies and bookkeeping improprieties.
The LEAA bookkeeper was fired by Fotis when she told LEAA Board members of the same problems. Jim Fotis had LEAA paying for his apartment and the lease payments for his new Dodge Stealth. The bookkeeper also complained that Fotis was having LEAA pay for almost every meal that he ate. Her firing by Jim Fotis precipitated a very difficult decision for the LEAA Board.
In 1995, Jim Fotis’ contract was allowed to expire by LEAA Board of Directors. The BOD had no intention of renewing it. NRA-ILA sent an attorney to inform LEAA directors that if they fired Fotis, LEAA would be “de-funded.” NRA-ILA insisted on a Board election in which every BOD member would have to run for re-election at the same time - which is something NRA won’t do. NRA has staggered BOD elections to assure continuity. What LEAA Board members didn’t know was that there was a covert campaign undertaken to unseat all LEAA Board Members (who were the very Founders of LEAA) who had insisted that Fotis be fired. They were almost completely successful. Those that weren’t overthrown in the tainted election were ousted by the newly elected “rubber stamp” Board members that Fotis had covert mailings sent out to support.
Since the 1995 “coup,” LEAA has watched further erosion of its legitimacy and credibility. Membership numbers have been touted as being 70,000+ at a time when LEAA has found itself saddled with shrinking revenue. NRA funding has been cut from $500,000 per year to $100,000 per year. In addition to losing affiliations with the Southern States PBA in 1994, LEAA watched helplessly as it lost its affiliation with the Memphis Police Association in 1995 and then the 25,000 member California Correctional Peace Officers Association (CCPOA) in 2002.
Te end result of this saga of lies, improprieties and mismanagement? LEAA has relocated from a coveted location to Falls Church, Virginia to an office located on a dead-end street in an industrial park in Springfield, VA. LEAA has so little operating capital that it had to discontinue mailing its membership the quarterly magazine that it promised to provide as a membership benefit.
Anyone who thinks that Jim Fotis has the honesty and integrity to run for public office should take this sordid history into consideration. And the office of sheriff should be held to a higher level of ethical standards than any other public office short of a prosecutorial position.
TJ, I understand that Fotis was not going through a divorce in 1991. I’m getting the impression you’re facts may be somewhat suspect here — care to provide some substantiation here? Feel free to email me.
Fotis gave us the impression that his divorce was still pending in 1990 - which is when I met him. I don’t know when his divorce was final. He did give us the impression that he was trying to hide income from someone (IRS, his ex-wife, his creditors after he had filed for bankruptcy, etc.) when he insisted on LEAA paying for his apartment and his car in lieu of additional salary.
If that (his divorce status in 1991) is the only thing you can dispute in my narrative, you’re being disingenuous about my facts being suspect. Do you care to dispute that he had filed for bankruptcy at that time? Do you care to dispute the fact that the Southern States PBA, the Memphis Police Association and the California Correctional Peace Officers Association broke off relationships with LEAA because of Fotis’ “ethical lapses”? Do you care to dispute anything else of substance?
No, I didn’t think so……
Go ask your friend Jim Fotis for some disinformation to use as rebuttal material so that I can further elucidate his character flaws here. This exchange should start coming up in Google searches and Jim Fotis will have some very tough questions to answer salient to the issues that I’m raising.
I’ve been a member of LEAA for nearly 12 years and I was wondering why LEAA stopped publishing their magazine. It was touted as a membership benefit and it was mysteriously replaced with a sporadic issue of newsletters. The LEAA move from Falls Church also didn’t make sense. If you do a “MapQuest” search you’ll find that the new LEAA address that TJ mentioned seems to be accurate. It looks like LEAA relocated from Falls Church to an industrial park in Springfield Virginia. If LEAA is truly having serious financial problems, that would explain why LEAA is behaving the way that it is.
TJ, I have no idea whether what you’re saying is right or not. I’ve been told that Fotis was not going through a divorce at the time, and hoped you’d provide more information so we could evaluate your claims. It’s a little troubling when derogatory information about a candidate shows up in comment threads which hasn’t been seen before. If it’s right, you’ll provide some information which will help us all run down the story. If it’s not, well, we’ve seen at least one recent example of what happens then.
So all I’m asking for are some links that substantiates what you’re saying. In any case I will do a little digging myself and see what’s going on here. Fotis really wasn’t very high on the radar horizon since he really doesn’t seem to be campaigning a whole lot, so I haven’t looked before.
I had a chance to meet him and his wife for the first time last week and they are terrific people. What you’ve presented is a really different picture than the impression I got when I met them, and I’d really like to make sure Fotis gets treated fairly.
Jason,
Here’s one for you, since you’re an LEAA member…..
One of Jim Fotis’ most shameful claims-to-fame is his alleged involvement in passage of HR-218. Sure, LEAA boosted HR-218 for many years - unsuccessfully. It wasn’t until other police groups got behind HR-218 that it finally passed. Want proof of that?
Ask Jim Fotis why he was deliberately shut out of the HR-218 White House signing ceremony. He was shut out, as this official White House photo illustrates;
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/07/images/20040722-5_d07220-1-515h.html
Fotis and crooked Congressman Randy “Duke” Cunningham were deliberately kept away from the signing of HR-218 because both were tainted by dishonesty and corruption. Ask Jim Fotis about this. Whatever spin he tries to put on these White House photos will be easily disproved by me thereafter. Look at the White House photos that Fotis has offered regarding HR-218 and the White House signing ceremony. Do you see GW Bush or anyone else in the Fotis photo other than Cunningham? Of course not - it’s a fraud!!!
Greg,
Do you want fairness, or do you want facts?
I’m offering you iron-clad facts. LEAA has been involved in some of the most underhanded money laundering schemes of recent years. And all of it has hinged on LEAA’s financial problems. As NRA subsidies to LEAA have been slashed, LEAA has had to scramble for alternative funding. Again, the LEAA membership numbers are an absolute fraud - which means that LEAA cannot sustain itself on LEAA membership dues. Consequently, Fotis has managed LEAA’s finances much the same way he had managed his own finances prior to filing for bankruptcy.
Want some independent insights? Check out the investigative pieces that have been done on LEAA;
http://www.texasobserver.org/article.php?aid=1713
http://www.stealthpacs.org/profile.cfm?org_id=175
http://www.stealthpacs.org/notebook/
(LEAA notes at bottom of page)
http://www.tpj.org/page_view.jsp?pageid=701&pubid=462
http://www.votelaw.com/blog/archives/campaign_finance/
Links?
Check out the investigative pieces that have been done on LEAA;
http://www.texasobserver.org/article.php?aid=1713
http://www.stealthpacs.org/profile.cfm?org_id=175
http://www.stealthpacs.org/notebook/
(LEAA notes at bottom of page)
http://www.tpj.org/page_view.jsp?pageid=701&pubid=462
http://www.votelaw.com/blog/archives/campaign_finance/
Kinda ignored this for a while, but Greg drew my attention to it again.
No, John, that “dig” wasn’t directed at you. As someone else recognized, it was directed at those who, had I said it, would have savaged me for it. I’m surprised that you would take offense at it. It was directed as hypocrisy. So far as I am aware, you have never been guilty of hypocrisy.
I was hoping that a Fotis supporter would attempt to leap to his rescue and try to dispute some of the facts that I’ve posted.
However, if you think about it, that may be unlikely. Firstly, Fotis can’t dispute anything I’ve posted - every bit of it can be documented. Secondly, it would be much safer for Fotis to merely ignore me rather than conspicuously fail at trying to refute my facts.
Time will tell. It’s likely that Fotis never intended to get himself elected as sheriff. Fotis is more likely to have his sights set on a legislative position and is probably just using this sheriff’s race to test the political waters for a future legislative race.
Regarding the White House HR-218 signing photo that I had posted above;
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/07/images/20040722-5_d07220-1-515h.html
Surrounding the President are many of the police (e.g., FOP) representatives that helped enact HR-218, along with an assortment of legislators. Where is Fotis?
Here’s Fotis;
http://www.leaa.org/Unpublished/index218%20action.html
Fotis was shut out of the official signing ceremony because of his publicized money laundering activities and had to stage severfal “alternative photo-ops” for himself after he was black-listed from all official HR-218 signing events. It’s only fitting that a congressman now serving time in a federal prison was the only one willing to be photographed with Jim Fotis.
Here are the very telling photos that Fotis used when he learned that he was being shut out of the White House HR-218 signing ceremony.
http://leaa.org/218/
Note in the one photo that Fotis and Rep. Cunningham are standing alone by the table that HR-218 was supposed to be signed upon. In the other photo, note how LEAA has cropped the actual Presidential signing photo so that you cannot see that Fotis had been banned from the event. Pretty clever, right?
Compare that to the actual HR-218 signing photo and you’ll see all of the police officials who were invited - minus Jim Fotis!!!
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/07/images/20040722-5_d07220-1-515h.html
Just how “radioactive” did the Whitehouse staff perceive Jim Fotis as being that they banned him from the ceremony? Read any one of the above LEAA investigative reports that I have posted previously, and you’ll gain a sense of understanding about just how nefarious Fotis’ money laundering activities were being perceived.
There are still no “Fotis drones” rushing in to defend his “honor”? This is no mystery folks. They can’t refute the above facts that have been presented and have chosen to simply ignore what they can’t refute in the hope that no one will notice these posts. However, any Google search of “Jim Fotis” will display this forum thread as #2 of 140,000 hits!!!!
Jim, be a man and tell the people about your fudged LEAA membership numbers -tell them about how your fudged membership numbers have necessitated having LEAA being used as a conduit for laundered campaign funds. Go ahead Jim, defend your past and explian why the Southern States PBA, Memphis Police Association and California Correctional Peace Officers Association all pulled out of LEAA when they feared being tainted by your corrupt practices. There are many other unethical things to explain Jim, but explaining the above issues would represent a good starting point.
Well, Jim……let’s see what you’re made of, shall we?
Perhaps the reason no “drones” have come to Fotis’ defense relative to Tom Aven…er…TJ Anderson’s libel is none of us were aware of this blog. The LIES this guy spews are so numerous, it’s hard to know where to start.
I have known Jim since 1990 when I met him at an LEAA event in California. I am a past vice president of the California Correctional Peace Officers Association and THE TRUTH IS CCPOA was NEVER affiliated with LEAA. NEVER. Why are you telling such silly LIES TA?
EVERY single charge TA spews has been refuted and disproven time and time again…ever since Tom Aveni’s corrupt clique was voted out of LEAA. Now that Jim is seeking office, these cockroaches emerge from the filth to slime him. Fine, Jim can take it…Lord knows he has tolerated this mindless drivel from this bunch of crybabies and has-beens for decades.
Surely, this TA is a bitter little boy with an axe to grind. Only a raving lunatic would prattle on about a post-divorce bankruptcy as though it were a crime or indicative of bad character. TA, why not come out of the closet and tell the readers here who you REALLY are and what this is REALLY about. You are obsessed with Fotis because you are, in fact, a narcissistic, unstable, washed up ego-maniac.
I’ll tell you what TA, I’ll be at the parade tomorrow. I’ll be PROUDLY standing right next to Jim Fotis because he is an honest, dedicated man who I trust without reservation. Feel free to come see me and spew your hate.
This “drone” will gladly refute your lies face to face. You see, that’s the way adults conduct themselves–it doesn’t take much of a man to post scurrilous accusations, half-truths and mean-spirited innuendo on a blog. It takes a punk and/or a lunatic…Like you.
Put up or shut up.
-Jeff Doyle
LEAA Board Member
Past Vice President, CCPOA
Publisher, Paco Villa’s CCPOA blog (http://ccpoa.blogspot.com)
email: pacovilla0@lycos.com
PS-Note the use of my Full Name and inclusion of contact info–Are you going to reciprocate?
Mr. Doyle,
You resorted to a considerable amount of name-calling without addressing virtually any of the issues that Mr. Anderson raised.
If Jim Fotis has filed for personal bankruptcy, as you seem to admit to him doing, that would appear to a serious character flaw for a man wanting to run for a significant public office. And, if the other allegations that Mr. Anderson made - that Jim Fotis was having LEAA hide his actual compensation from his creditors by having LEAA pay for Fotis’ apartment and car, then voters should begin sensing some very serious concerns about Jim Fotis’ character and fitness for office.
Also, since you claim to be a LEAA Board member, why did you not address the number of investigative news stories that Mr. Anderson has posted links to above? I took the time to read most of the articles and it appears that LEAA has routinely skirted campaign finance laws and denied access to anyone asking LEAA for disclosure of pertinent financial information that is required by law. Is there any reason why you avoided all of the posted news stories about such improprieties?
It’s unclear as to why Jim Fotis was shut out of the HR-218 signing ceremony but I have to admit, it doesn’t look good when viewed in conjunction with all of the investigative reports about LEAA.
George J. Hayes
gjhayes1961@hotmail.com
Wow! When people resort to name-calling while concurrently ducking issues, you know something is wrong.
I am a past member of LEAA. Like many who have been members, I became disillusioned with the steady stream of LEAA money solicitations while receiving little in return for my investment. It seemed, from the never-ending mail solicitations that LEAA always had a “money crisis,” followed by another, then another, etc.
The LEAA magazine, “The LEAA Advocate,” which had been a promised membership benefit, virtually ceased distribution at the same time LEAA incessantly begged for ever more money from members. So, yes, for me any admission that the LEAA Executive Director, Jim Fotis, couldn’t manage his own financial affairs without resorting to smoke and mirrors is indicative of LEAA’s apparent money management problems. And he wants to run for sheriff?
Mr. Doyle, the only issue you carefully elected to address among so many critical ethical issues that you ducked was whether CCPOA was ever affiliated with LEAA. And you’re denying that affiliation? So, you’re telling me that the published picture (March 1997, The LEAA Advocate) of you and Mike Jimenez giving Jim Fotis and LEAA a $50,000 check for associate membership isn’t what the caption says it was? Care to explain that Mr. Doyle? And, you conveniently didn’t address whether Southern States PBA was ever affiliated with LEAA. Ditto for the past affiliation of the Memphis Police Association. They were both affiliated with LEAA while I was an LEAA member. What happened Mr. Doyle? Why did you elect to gloss over those massive defections from LEAA?
As it appears to me, Jeff Doyle is stained by his Board position with LEAA. The continuous stream of documented campaign and financial “irregularities” involving LEAA has Mr. Doyle attacking and name-calling rather than addressing the issues. I’m sure this is as extremely transparent to everyone else as it is to me. Mr. Doyle, as an LEAA Board member of 11 years, how culpable are you for the fiscal management and ethical transgressions of LEAA? Is that what your no-substance, name-calling rant was all about?
It appears that Mr. Doyle’s has been delegated the LEAA role of “James Carville” at a crucial time. Mr. Doyle, a corrections guy with no apparent legitimate police background, has been tasked with the old stratagem of, “Lie, deny, demand proof and make counter-accusations.” Well, the lying and denying are quite conspicuous, as are the childish counter-accusations. But, the other side seems to have offered proof that you elected not to counter. Why is that Mr. Doyle?
Steven Carnes
sdcarnes279@yahoo.com
Given the substance of recent posts, you’d have to think that LEAA and Jim Fotis have so much explaining to do that they’d want to ignore this blog. Even the LEAA membership, whatever the real numbers are, would probably find these posts troubling. Look at a composite of what has been posted and not refuted thus far…..
Jim Fotis, a bankrupt Executive Director (by LEAA Board member Doyle’s own admission), is hiding income by having LEAA pay for his apartment and car? And Fotis fired his bookkeeper for telling the LEAA Board about his misspending of LEAA funds? LEAA sends out what are described as “never-ending mail solicitations” for donations because of, “a money crisis, followed by another, then another, etc.” This all coinciding with a period of shady money deals, and non-disclosure of LEAA’s campaign funding? Why aren’t LEAA and Fotis facing IRS scrutiny?
I have to ask the same question; “And this guy wants to run for sheriff?”
As was made quite clear, it was never my intention to respond to Aveni’s multitude of lies. That you are needling me to do so isn’t any more valid or compelling than the rants themselves. Obviously, I chose (IN PASSING) to address the lie about CCPOA’s alleged affiliation because it was such a glaring falsehood about which I have direct knowledge.
Did the Advocate ’spin’ CCPOA’s support of LEAA as an affiliation of some kind? Perhaps….and big deal. In any case, the fact remains CCPOA was never an affiliate of LEAA as YOU and Aveni well know.
Clearly, you two compatriots of Aveni (assuming you aren’t simply Aveni pseudonyms) have posited the question of the day: why hasn’t the IRS (et al) gone after Fotis and LEAA? After all, Aveni and company have worn out countless packs of Crayola’s writing every authority imagineable…to no avail. Why no government intervention in nearly 15 years? Because there is no THERE there, boys!
So, you just blubber about issues of a magazine you never received, repeat baseless allegations and carp at me for not getting down in the gutter to address your bile. Good show.
And WOW, what a zinger about my credentials in law enforcement. Yes, I was a CO for 6 years and a parole agent for 14. Yet, it wasn’t until you pointed it out that I realized I wasn’t a police officer. You got me.
Now, insofar as you fellows KNOW “TJ Anderson” is actually Mr. Aveni, yet continue to pretend otherwise, how are we to assess YOUR credibility (read honesty)? Moreover, you accuse me of name-calling while ignoring the FACT that my statements were in reaction to AVENI’s overt name calling. That’s not very honest, is it?
Oh pick me Mr. Kotter, I know the answer…
The reason why the Fed’s have not gone after LEAA is because they did nothing other than fight to advance the conservative agenda (horror of horrors!). They support the Second Amendment and did all they could to help support law enforcement — all law enforcement — (yes that includes deputy sheriff, CO’s, parole agents, constables and all other types of cops that some want to call ’second class law enforcement citizens’) while trying to show the world that Gun Control is NOT Crime Control.
If those hate mongers posting want to disgaree with that then I’d suggest they come out of the closet. Oh, and one other thing, if the key poster in all this is Tom Aveni from New England, one has to wonder why he is so all fired up in trying to dig up mud/stir up controversey… that seems to need a clear, honest answer… sounds like an ole’ grudge to me….
And one other thing…. did Aveni happen to forget that he claimed his writins as ‘facts’ and then when pressed on the quesiton of if those facts were ‘true’ he simply reverted to the , ‘well someone told me’ and, ’so what if that particular fact is not true/I can’t prove it, I can make other even worse allegations’… so there!
Thank God our courts don’t work that way. When individual claims can be easily demonstrated to be false or asserted without any proof, it must follow that other similarly unsupported (and silly) claims that are asserted must be taken for what they are… not FACT, simply a desire to carry on a grudge from years ago, using any means unsupported / unproven claims possible to achieve a destructive, means spirited goal!
Give them hell, Mr. Doyle!
If anything, Jeff Doyle is proving himself no smarter than the average knucke-dragging turn-key. Just look at what he’s told us, and deliberately not told us.
He just admitted that LEAA’s own magazine suggested that LEAA took $50,000 from CCPOA and affiliated with LEAA in 1997. And he then tells us not to believe what LEAA’s own magazine reported at that time! So, we shouldn’t believe what LEAA’s magazine tell us? Obviously not - according to Mr. Doyle.
Perhaps, we shouldn’t believe anything that LEAA tells us, in any medium. And, since Doyle has been an LEAA Board member for more than a decade - he’s apparently been appointed to be the defender of LEAA’s realm of lies. But, in the process, Jeff Doyle is experiencing an emotional melt-down here because he can’t muster up anything beyond insults. Posted newspaper accounts of LEAA’s unethical conduct go conspicuously unanswered.
Case-in-point; looking at LEAA’s limited financial disclosures it appears that allegations about LEAA having virtually no membership are true. Funding from membership dues is apparently so insignificant that it isn’t provided. Is it merely a front organization for anyone wanting to skirt campaign finance laws? Check out this “Stealth PACS” page that I just found;
http://www.stealthpacs.org/finance.cfm?Org_ID=175
IRS seems inclined to target organizations that are opposed to the incumbant party. Clinton’s IRS obsessively targeted NRA and other conservative groups during his eight year tenure in office. LEAA’s errant financial behavior seems to have flourished during the Bush administration, and if the Democrats regain the White House, LEAA will likely have a great deal of IRS scrutiny to fear.
So, Mr. Doyle, you admitted to Fotis’ personal bankruptcy but deflected concern about allegations that Fotis hid income from his creditors. What are we to think of that? Then you got caught lying about CCPOA’s affiliation with LEAA. Care to come clean about anything else? You haven’t yet addressed why Southern States PBA or the Memphis Police Association defected from LEAA. Regarding the allegation that Fotis fired his bookkeeper for complaining about his misspending of funds, do you care to respond to that Mr. Doyle?
More directly, can you come clean about anything Mr. Doyle? Or, has years of rubbing rubbing elbows with inmates influenced your ethical judgment as much as it has your style of communication?
Jeff,
I didn’t intend to demean you by stating that you have no LE background. It was merely an observation made in light of your preoccupation with “playing detective.” I paid my dues working in my county’s lockup as a CO before I began working as a road deputy. If anything, your manner of expression may not be doing people in the corrections field any justice.
I do have trouble with your denial of CCPOA affiliation, and then your admission that my assertion of the proof being in the March 1997 issue of the LEAA Advocate was true. If you had just told the truth the first time around you wouldn’t have a serious credibility problem dogging you now. And then you belittle my observation about endless LEAA mail solicitations for money? Does your attitude reflect the mainstream attitude of the LEAA Board? If so, I feel even better about letting my membership lapse.
Jason Graves:
I checked that link you posted and find it interesting for what it doesn’t directly reveal. You were wrong to expect to see membership dues reflected in those numbers. They don’t have to divulge that revenue for campaign finance purposes.
However, the assertion that the “George Bush years” appear fraught with LEAA impropriety does resonate with me. The final Clinton administration year of 2000 saw LEAA disclosing $ 2,714,035 in revenue. They spent every penny of it, and them some.
In 2001, the 1st GW Bush year, LEAA revenue nearly doubled to $ 4,478,955. And again, they spent every penny of it. They disclose only $2,500 in political expenditures, but some of the public interest groups and investigative journalists (links to articles others have posted above are worth reading) have complained that they’ve been stone-walled when they’ve gone to LEAA for detailed disclosures in recent years. In fact, the Stealth Pac’s link that Steve Carnes provided above suggests that LEAA hasn’t disclosed anything since 2002!
Speaking of 2002, that same source indicates that LEAA revenue increased by about another 50%, to $ 6,931,053. Nearly every penny was spent but only $18,991 was disclosed as being political expenditures. Most telling is that, with exception of the NRA, LEAA’s annual donors of big chunks of money are listed as “N/A.” And again, we have no disclosures listed since 2002. Do I think LEAA could have pulled off such obfuscation during the Clinton years? Absolutely not.
Jeff Doyle:
I also did a Google search for “Tom Aveni,” since you seem so obsessed with the guy. There are a few people by that name who come up in Google searches. One is a music production type, another is an historian and the other is an LE type. Is this the guy that you are so obsessed with Mr. Doyle?
http://www.theppsc.org/Staff/Aveni/Tom.htm
If that is your boogeyman, I gain much insight in knowing that. He seems to have excellent credentials - far beyond what little you’ve posted on the “Paco Villa” website. And, Aveni would seem to have little inducement to wallow in the name-calling mud that Jeff Doyle has languished in thus far.
This blog has evolved from initially being about Fotis’ ill-fated run for sheriff toward becoming an expose’ about LEAA’s fiscal and ethical dysfunctions. Which leads me to ask Jeff Doyle a question that intrigues me from prior posts. Given the number of police officials that were invited, why was Jim Fotis shut out of the White House HR-218 signing ceremony? That picture of Fotis and Rep. Cunningham on the LEAA website was intentially misleading, wasn’t it? Fotis went there but wasn’t allowed in, correct? Very telling.
“Give them hell, Mr. Doyle!”
It appears as if the inmates at Folsom have been given Internet access!
It’s nice to see that someone has come to Jim Fotis’ rescue during my week-long absence. Sure, from Jeff Doyle’s bio page on the LEAA website, he looks like a middle-aged version of Eddie Munster. But, his crude intimidation tactics seem to have been borrowed more from watching episodes of “The Sopranos” than anything he gleaned from the Munsters.
So, he’s blaming his juvenile name-calling tirades on the things that I said? That is very James Carville-like. He’s avoided every documented ethical issue that I posted while opting to name-call instead. Like Carville, attempting to defend Bill & Hillary, there were no billing improprieties at the Rose Law Firm! Whitewater? Paula Jones? Monica Lewinsky? Gennifer Flowers? Juanita Broaddrick? Kathleen Willey? IT WAS ALL A VAST RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY!!!! Everyone posting here is a figment of that vast conspiracy that Doyle attributes to his apparent moral nemesis, Tom Aveni!!!
Doyle, listen son, get a life! Fotis may have promised you a position as undersheriff if he’s elected - but THAT won’t happen!!!
In the meantime, start addressing some of the issues that have been raised here. Will Fotis allow you to do that? What about allegations of LEAA money laundering campaign cash? Several newspapers have reported it - what about it fella? What about the fact that LEAA hasn’t been disclosing its sources of large chunks of “donor” cash? You’re on the LEAA Board of Directors and you take some responsibility for that, don’t you?
Mr. Doyle, the more you rant, rave and loudly deny everything, the worse things are looking for you and your puppeteer, Jim Fotis. It’s looking fairly ugly fella!!!
Based on the melt-down that we’ve seen here so far, if Jeff Doyle were my appointed spokesperson he’d be looking for a new job. He’s only dug Fotis’ hole much deeper than what it already was. A man should never let his emotions get ahead of his mouth - or his keyboard in this case.
Based on the “Stealth Pac” disclosures, and the elaborate schemes that Tom Delay was orchestrating to launder campaign cash, we’re left to wonder to what extent LEAA was tied in with any of that. All of it hurt Republicans at a time when public confidence in the GOP was already imploding. I hate to think who might inherit the White House in 2008.
I will leave it to the unbiased readers who may someday read this thread to decide who’s dishing dirt and who is not.
Here’s how I see things…
For MONTHS Aveni (in the persona of “TJ Anderson”) attacked Fotis here with charges that, if true, would have been ANY US Attorney’s dream. In over a decade, nothing has come of it….and that just eats Tom Aveni’s ample gut.
I bloodied Aveni’s nose with a dose of TRUTH and next-thing-you-know, you all crawl out of the woodwork repeating the same pap…verbatim.
Notwithstanding your collective opinion relative to my comments being ‘personal,’ intemperate, (or my being a “typical knuckle dragger”) I choose my words carefully. I stand by them. (Or, as I told [you] Tommy-Boy, “So Sue Me.”)
And, I didn’t survive a job most of you clearly hold in the lowest possible regard, by allowing myself to be rat-packed.
In that context, knock yourselves out: misrepresent my comments as you will (and have). Repeating lies doesn’t make them true…does it TOM (TJ, Sybil or whomever you claim to be or whose mouth you are manipulating)?
When it’s all said and done, you will undoubtedly convince yourselves this thread had relevance and turned the election. It doesn’t–It won’t. I could by a brew for every reader here with a 12-pack…
In any case, LEAA will continue its mission whether Jim is elected or not. If the membership is so inclined, I will continue to serve on the BOD. You will continue to attack us AND nothing will come of it because, as stated previously, it IS nothing.
Keep the love coming, boys. Now Daddy has work to do. See you after the election.
PS- TOM, you really need to take a course in ghost writing. I make a very good living at it and, as a rule, you’re supposed to make it appear as though the same person didn’t write EVERYTHING.
Still no issues addressed, and spewing the same conspiracy theory paranoia. Next he’ll be saying that we’re all working for Sarah Brady!
Jeff Doyle, your defense of Fotis seems akin to giving a child a pack of matches to play with. I think you’ve burned the LEAA house down trying to defend it. You’ve blatantly dodged so many issues that anyone visiting this blog is likely to see what your mission is.
Forget whatever grudge or inferiority complex you have with that Aveni guy you’re so obsessed with and start addressing issues! Start with the links that others have posted and tell us about the allegations of LEAA money laundering! Tell us about why LEAA has dodged financial disclosure requests on numerous occasions! Tell us about why Fotis fired his bookkeeper when she spilled the beans about his misuse of LEAA funds! Tell us about why Fotis was banned from the White House HR-218 signing ceremony! Tell us how about the membership fraud allegations that we keep hearing about!
And, for God’s sake, start telling us the TRUTH for a change! This routine of, “Well, so what if Jim Fotis was bankrupt when he was hiding income from his creditors - who cares?” is CRAP and won’t cut it with anyone scrutinizing a sheriff’s election! Get over whatever inferiority complex that you have and start acting like the cop you never were!
I guess there is little chance of this exchange reflecting civility. At least not from what I see so far.
It would be nice to see people stick to addressing issues without resorting to personal attacks as a form of evasion. And this isn’t just directed at Jeff Doyle. Knock the crap off about COs not being cops! They have one of the most thankless yet critical job functions in the CJ system. The “Eddie Munster” quip was also uncalled for. What purpose did it serve?
I’m here to find out what’s true and what isn’t in this election campaign. Unfortunately, all we’re seeing here is name-calling and issue-evasion. Can we salvage anything from this thread? Well, can we?
Jeff,
Talk about people being ego-maniacs! Don’t flatter yourself about your writing ability. I’ve read your work. Though your writing is likely popular amongst people lacking a full set of dentures, trust me - it’s nothing to boast about!
You don’t think items being posted on this board won’t be seen by enough people to make a difference in this election? You’re wrong! The “1196 Views” that you see on the counter at the bottom of this page are just the tip of the proverbial iceberg. It’s a matter of WHO sees the items being posted on this board. And Guber-Doyle, the RIGHT PEOPLE will see these posts! Thanks to your schizophrenic and feeble attempts to defend Fotis via evasion, obfuscation and intimidation, the picture that you’ve help paint ain’t a pretty one!
No one can portray me as being ungrateful for your help. I am truly appreciative of the assistance you’ve rendered.
Sincerely,
TJ “Your Boogeyman” Anderson
You know the irony in all this? Countless hours of what would otherwise be productive time has been spent spinning threads for and against a campaign for a candidate that really has no hope of winning this election. I mean really, does anyone truely believe this guy has a chance? I don’t even buy the notion that the all knowing self proclaimed guru of politics Mr. Doyle believes deep in his loins that Fotis is a real contender. I think this is just his way to live vicariously through his buddy and to have a forum in which to excercise his ability to type. So much time has been wasted countering claims and rallying the camp against a foe that is by all accounts a non facter in this race. A light weight among heavy weights in a title fight. The only possible upset comes from the Messier camp and I don’t think he has any support outside the city limits. So I say to Jeff and IP, lay down your arms and concede to the inevitable. Go be productive people again and find another way to gratify your ego. I suggest finding a small newspaper that welcomes letters to the editer.
Pundit, you’re right. I’ve certainly been spinning my wheels trying to get anything of substance out of Jeff Doyle, so this has been a unmitigated waste of time. I suspect that Fotis knows he has no chance in this campaign and that he has ulterior motives. Perhaps LEAA is actually on the financial ropes, as posts and links here seem to suggest.
LEAA - in financial trouble?
Well, here is a mail solicitation that I received from LEAA, dated September 16, 2003 and signed by JIM FOTIS:
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“Dear TJ,
In my 12 years as Executive Director of LEAA, this is the most difficult letter I have ever had to write.
If you’ve seen my last few letters to Members, you know that LEAA has been facing a SEVERE FINANCIAL CRISIS this year. And even though many of our members have responded generously to those appeals, matters HAVE GONE FROM BAD TO WORSE.
The reasons for our financial crisis are several…..and frankly not that important right now.
What is important is the fact that we are on the verge of having to make drastic cutbacks in programs, in media outreach, and even critical members of our staff. The situation is that serious, UNLESS we can get a significant injection of funds immediately.”
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So, do the math boys. As the “Stealth Pac” link above suggested, LEAA reported income in 2000 at $2,714,035.
By 2002, LEAA was reporting income of $ 6,931,053.
Of course, LEAA won’t divulge WHERE that money came from, or WHERE AND WHY they spent every penny of that income. All that we know at this time is that JIM FOTIS was PLEADING with us to give him more money to answer his latest FINANCIAL CRISIS. He even blows off explaining the notion of explaining the crisis to his membership when he tells us (as quoted above);
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“The reasons for our financial crisis are SEVERAL …..and frankly NOT THAT IMPORTANT RIGHT NOW.”
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Hmmm….is the membership clueless enough to keep swallowing such “crisis” appeals from Fotis and then a barrage of insults from Jeff Doyle when we ask why LEAA is playing “Pirates of the Caribbean” with money?
So, Fotis and his handpicked Board of Directors did the only thing that they could do; they became an energetic money laundering machine for issues and causes that had nothing to do with gun rights, crime or the occupational safety of police. And even after all of that prostitution, they still had to move their headquarters out of their 15-year Falls Church office address to a rathole on a dead-end street of an industrial park. And, it all happened on YOUR watch JEFF DOYLE!!!!
If you want to know why Jim Fotis was shut out of the HR-218 White House signing ceremony, you don’t have to use much imagination.
My my my. It seems that the more you scratch the more you find dirt. That is probably why you haven’t heard squat from Doyle or IP lately. They have been exposed for what they really are, Hired thugs. On my previuos post I asked for them to just lay down their arms and go back home. It would seem that they have. TJ, I don’t think Jeff wants to engage you or anyone else any more. He is clearly dirty from head to toe.
Pundit:
By virtue of Doyle’s first post (where he stated that he’d be at Fotis’ side at a parade the next day) it became apparent that he was with Fotis when he made that post and that Fotis likely put him up to it.
You’re right again Pundit. As an LEAA Board member, Jeff Doyle is complicit at some level for the financial mismanagement and campaign cash “shenanigans” that LEAA has engaged in over the last decade.
Fotis may be sleazy but he’s savvy enough to see that he is hemorrhaging ever more blood in this blog with each ill-tempered, shallow and disingenous Doyle post. It would seem logical to assume that Fotis instructed Doyle to withdraw from this fray.
Be forewarned Pundit. We may see Doyle accusing you of being part of a vast conspiracy against Fotis. That’s what James Carville would do, and Fotis & Company (LEAA) are using his playbook.
Well hasn’t this been an interesting thread to find. Jeff Doyle IS very much a Fotis puppet. How much direct involvement he had in that “coup” of several years ago I do not know. No Mr. Doyle I am not Mr. Avani. What you Mr. Fotis and Mr. Deeds did to Mr. Avani and the remainder of the then LEAA Board was and is just plain wrong! What about what you did to Brenda Maples? Remember when Mr. Fotis did everything he could to oust Ted Gogal, the #2 of LEAA at the time, because he did not like what Mr. Fotis was doing and let it be known to him.
Fotis may have instructed Mr. Doyle to withdraw from this fray, but in return he gave us “Interested Party” aka “Not Again” aka “Ted Deeds”.
Its very frightening that these are the kinds of individuals that Mr. Fotis has elected as his mouth pieces.
The results are in!!!!
Fotis got skunked!!!!!
Glendell Hill 3,971 votes = 61.20%
Michael W. Messier 1,340 votes = 20.65%
James J. Fotis 1,177 votes = 18.14%
Now, where are Ted Deeds and Jeff Doyle hiding? Are they back under the rock they crawled out from under?
I don’t know if any of you noticed this or not, but the “Fotis for Sheriff” website was pulled within 24 hours of the aftermath of the election. It’s as if Fotis is trying to erase any trace of his failed run for sheriff. There wasn’t the usual “thanks to those of you who supported me with your time and money” courtesy - just a disappearing act.
www.fotisforsheriff.com
It’s now fully apparent that Jim Fotis, Jeff Doyle and Ted Deeds have shown their true colors. A campaign based entirely upon lies, denials, obfuscations and personal insult is no way to get elected. But these guys were so dirty that they apparently believed that they had no other alternative but to distract people away from their record of gross mismanagement at LEAA.
Like rats fleeing a sinking ship, where will they scurry to next?