Comments on: Reaping What We’ve Sown http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/21/reaping-what-weve-sowed/ Blog-Fu for Prince William, Manassas and Manassas Park politics. Mon, 13 Feb 2012 13:19:37 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.3 By: John Light http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/21/reaping-what-weve-sowed/#comment-9697 John Light Mon, 23 Apr 2007 15:01:15 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/21/reaping-what-weve-sowed/#comment-9697 First issue: I understand that the murderer was NOT an American citizen YET he was LEGALLY able to purchase a gun. Second issue: For those arguing for outlawing guns, VT had by policy done just that in ensuring that no one on campus (save the police) were authorized to carry guns. The First issue shows that we need to re-examine our existing laws about who owns guns, the Second issue shows that gun control does NOT work. More damage could be done with a car and a crowd of people waiting for a bus. That being said, should we outlaw cars? DEFINITELY more damage was done with a couple airplanes (9/11). Should we outlaw airplanes??? First issue: I understand that the murderer was NOT an American citizen YET he was LEGALLY able to purchase a gun.

Second issue: For those arguing for outlawing guns, VT had by policy done just that in ensuring that no one on campus (save the police) were authorized to carry guns.

The First issue shows that we need to re-examine our existing laws about who owns guns, the Second issue shows that gun control does NOT work.

More damage could be done with a car and a crowd of people waiting for a bus. That being said, should we outlaw cars? DEFINITELY more damage was done with a couple airplanes (9/11). Should we outlaw airplanes???

]]> By: Thumper http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/21/reaping-what-weve-sowed/#comment-9648 Thumper Sun, 22 Apr 2007 05:02:48 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/21/reaping-what-weve-sowed/#comment-9648 I don't remember saying VA Tech was dry. As Greg said earlier, and something I was trying to point out, these incidents haven't occurred and we have been shall issue for over 10 years. I would imagine that 90% of alcohol parties are OFF CAMPUS so sample size for these parties to end in gunfire is high enough that I don't blow zero shootings in 10 years by permit holders as statistical fluke. As my girlfriend just said "If your trying to save lives, you really need to go on a crusade against drinking and Windows. Apparently Drinking and Windows kill more people on campus then drinking and guns do." I don’t remember saying VA Tech was dry. As Greg said earlier, and something I was trying to point out, these incidents haven’t occurred and we have been shall issue for over 10 years. I would imagine that 90% of alcohol parties are OFF CAMPUS so sample size for these parties to end in gunfire is high enough that I don’t blow zero shootings in 10 years by permit holders as statistical fluke.

As my girlfriend just said “If your trying to save lives, you really need to go on a crusade against drinking and Windows. Apparently Drinking and Windows kill more people on campus then drinking and guns do.”

]]> By: Mad Hatter http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/21/reaping-what-weve-sowed/#comment-9647 Mad Hatter Sun, 22 Apr 2007 04:36:48 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/21/reaping-what-weve-sowed/#comment-9647 Ok Thumper, you are wrong. Do not dismiss my arguments on the basis of faulty information. Virginia Tech has a WET campus. That means that alcohol is legal on campus, provided the drinker is 21. Next idiot trying to debunk me, please... Ok Thumper, you are wrong. Do not dismiss my arguments on the basis of faulty information. Virginia Tech has a WET campus. That means that alcohol is legal on campus, provided the drinker is 21.

Next idiot trying to debunk me, please…

]]> By: Greg L http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/21/reaping-what-weve-sowed/#comment-9646 Greg L Sun, 22 Apr 2007 03:50:33 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/21/reaping-what-weve-sowed/#comment-9646 Seeing that there are likely thousands of folks in Virginia who obtained their concealed carry permits when they came of age within the past ten years, and many of them probably engage in the same type of social scene described above from time to time, how many of them have gone "macho" and decided to shoot up a place after getting drunk? Anyone? The answer is actually pretty easy. ZERO. It's a nice little scary scenario, but unfortunately for some, it just doesn't have anything to do with reality. Seeing that there are likely thousands of folks in Virginia who obtained their concealed carry permits when they came of age within the past ten years, and many of them probably engage in the same type of social scene described above from time to time, how many of them have gone “macho” and decided to shoot up a place after getting drunk?

Anyone? The answer is actually pretty easy.

ZERO.

It’s a nice little scary scenario, but unfortunately for some, it just doesn’t have anything to do with reality.

]]> By: Thumper http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/21/reaping-what-weve-sowed/#comment-9645 Thumper Sun, 22 Apr 2007 03:50:17 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/21/reaping-what-weve-sowed/#comment-9645 I'm not, GF is, and I've spent enough time there (VA Tech). Every party we went to was off campus and any parties her roommates went too were off campus. I'm not sure where you liked to get down, but off campus was where everything seemed to happen. Freshman and Sophomores tended to party on campus on OCCASION but most of them aren't old enough to have a permit anyways. I’m not, GF is, and I’ve spent enough time there (VA Tech). Every party we went to was off campus and any parties her roommates went too were off campus. I’m not sure where you liked to get down, but off campus was where everything seemed to happen. Freshman and Sophomores tended to party on campus on OCCASION but most of them aren’t old enough to have a permit anyways.

]]> By: Mike http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/21/reaping-what-weve-sowed/#comment-9644 Mike Sun, 22 Apr 2007 03:45:08 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/21/reaping-what-weve-sowed/#comment-9644 "Very few parties involving alcohol happen on campus" Obviously not written by a Va Tech, Radford U. or JMU alumni! “Very few parties involving alcohol happen on campus”

Obviously not written by a Va Tech, Radford U. or JMU alumni!

]]> By: Thumper http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/21/reaping-what-weve-sowed/#comment-9643 Thumper Sun, 22 Apr 2007 03:13:06 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/21/reaping-what-weve-sowed/#comment-9643 I love this ranting against "macho" guys getting drunk and shooting people. Remember, Virginia is SHALL ISSUE and college kids can get weapons at 21 just like Cho could. This permit will grant them carry privileges throughout the state including at all these parties they will get drunk and shoot it up. Very few parties involving alcohol happen on campus where administrative rule of "no weapons on campus" would "save" these "macho" kids from shooting up each other. Next irrational argument please. I love this ranting against “macho” guys getting drunk and shooting people.

Remember, Virginia is SHALL ISSUE and college kids can get weapons at 21 just like Cho could. This permit will grant them carry privileges throughout the state including at all these parties they will get drunk and shoot it up. Very few parties involving alcohol happen on campus where administrative rule of “no weapons on campus” would “save” these “macho” kids from shooting up each other.

Next irrational argument please.

]]> By: Mad Hatter http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/21/reaping-what-weve-sowed/#comment-9636 Mad Hatter Sat, 21 Apr 2007 16:42:25 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/21/reaping-what-weve-sowed/#comment-9636 Hmm. On Daily Whackjob we've been discussing the formation of an NWD (National Whackjob Database) to prevent people with violent mental illnesses from buying guns. I think that is a good idea, but even if legislation was passed to that effect, it would probably not be carried out well enough to make a difference. Nothing will stop a crazy person from.. well.. acting crazy. Psychopaths will do psychopathic things. There are always ways around current protection. I agree with Chris. I do not like the idea of college students carrying guns. Two "macho" guys get drunk, get angry, and all of a sudden we have several people at a party dead. Bad idea. Professors and staffers, on the other hand, I would consider responsible enough to carry guns on campus. Hmm. On Daily Whackjob we’ve been discussing the formation of an NWD (National Whackjob Database) to prevent people with violent mental illnesses from buying guns. I think that is a good idea, but even if legislation was passed to that effect, it would probably not be carried out well enough to make a difference.

Nothing will stop a crazy person from.. well.. acting crazy. Psychopaths will do psychopathic things. There are always ways around current protection.

I agree with Chris. I do not like the idea of college students carrying guns. Two “macho” guys get drunk, get angry, and all of a sudden we have several people at a party dead. Bad idea. Professors and staffers, on the other hand, I would consider responsible enough to carry guns on campus.

]]> By: Chris http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/21/reaping-what-weve-sowed/#comment-9635 Chris Sat, 21 Apr 2007 16:14:11 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/21/reaping-what-weve-sowed/#comment-9635 Greg, the problem I have with people jumping to gun control is that they are missing the point. Look, I'm not wild about the idea of college kids having guns, especially when a college is a place that has a lot of drinking and all of that. Thats just me. But certaunly staff and faculty should be entitled. But the real problem is that somehow the medical community did not, or could not, alert law enforcement to Cho's past mental problems. If they had, it would have hit when the Roanoke gun store owner put hs name through the database. THAT is what needs to be fixed. Gun control's not the answer. The fact that nobody on a college campus is allowe to cary a firearm is one of the biggest reasons the campus was so vunerable to a madman like Cho. Greg, the problem I have with people jumping to gun control is that they are missing the point. Look, I’m not wild about the idea of college kids having guns, especially when a college is a place that has a lot of drinking and all of that. Thats just me. But certaunly staff and faculty should be entitled.

But the real problem is that somehow the medical community did not, or could not, alert law enforcement to Cho’s past mental problems. If they had, it would have hit when the Roanoke gun store owner put hs name through the database. THAT is what needs to be fixed. Gun control’s not the answer. The fact that nobody on a college campus is allowe to cary a firearm is one of the biggest reasons the campus was so vunerable to a madman like Cho.

]]> By: Thumper http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/21/reaping-what-weve-sowed/#comment-9628 Thumper Sat, 21 Apr 2007 05:15:18 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/21/reaping-what-weve-sowed/#comment-9628 As you rant against Brady Campaign, they display ads in your google sidebar. I know you don't have control but I find it.... amusing As you rant against Brady Campaign, they display ads in your google sidebar. I know you don’t have control but I find it…. amusing

]]> By: stloimpure http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/21/reaping-what-weve-sowed/#comment-9627 stloimpure Sat, 21 Apr 2007 04:55:07 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/21/reaping-what-weve-sowed/#comment-9627 All i gotta say is AMEN!! All i gotta say is AMEN!!

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