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More On The Latest Badge Seizure

By Greg L | 24 April 2007 | Prince William County | 51 Comments

On April 19th I mentioned a story about the confiscation of another set of Sheriff’s Department credentials that had been issued by Lee Stoffregen that had been told by Major John Collier during the campaign kickoff for Sheriff Glen Hill.  As seems to happen with some regularity, a Mike Messier supporter complained that the story was a lie, which gave me the incentive to dig into this deeper and present the facts of this matter more thoroughly.  Someday, perhaps Messier’s minions are going to learn to leave well enough alone.

A couple of weeks ago Detective Brian Wing of the Prince William County Police Department stopped a Mr. Stephen Turner on Prince William Parkway near Wellington Road for a traffic violation.  Mr. Turner politely asked for some leniency since he had formerly been a Deputy Sheriff, and presented a badge along with his expired credentials.  The detective, well aware of the problems with old credentials, contacted the Sheriff’s office and Major John Collier went to investigate at the scene.  Major Collier confiscated the credentials, and asked how he came to obtain them, at which point Major Collier learned about the specifics of the means by which the former Sheriff, Stoffregen, had sold credentials to citizens without law enforcement backgrounds in return for campaign contributions of $500.  As I reported then:

…the suspect told the deputy the story that he paid $500 for the badge back in 2003 during a “power dinner” at which there were about 150 to 200 people who also ponied up $500 for badges as well. A few days after this dinner these campaign contributors were individually brought to a back room where they were handed a badge without any background investigation, training, demonstration of proficiency with a firearm, or a demonstration of any law enforcement qualifications whatsoever. This suspect said that he thought it would “be neat” to have a badge, and thought $500 was a pretty good deal. This “power dinner” probably raised about $100,000 in campaign contributions for Lee Stoffregen, and contributed to the generally uncontrolled proliferation of suspect law enforcement credentials of which only 256 were documented in a 2002 listing, which wouldn’t account for the badges sold for campaign contributions that evening.

I had a chance to see these credentials, and they include a badge and an identification card contained in a wallet.  The identification card was signed by Lee Stoffregen.  The back side of the identification card contained height, weight, date of birth, an issue date and an expiration date.  I saw another set of credentials as well, but since they involve an individual who is facing criminal charges I was asked to keep their identity confidential until such time as charges are filed.  Mr. Turner is not facing criminal charges, since he did not represent himself as a law enforcement officer and surrendered the badge when asked to do so.  There is a small stack of these expired badges, and between the ones held in evidence or in the custody of the department, there are about twenty five of these which have been confiscated.  Others have voluntarily returned these badges after the coverage of former school board member John Harper was published.

Mr. Turner works for Atlas Plumbing in Manassas Park, and apparently has no law enforcement training.  Another badge was seized from a Mr. Emmanuel Moore, who works as a Customer Service Representative at Costco, after he attempted to use a Sheriff’s badge to evade a parking ticket.  He was later convicted of impersonating a police officer.

It’s not clear what many of the people who obtained these badges actually did with them.  We do know that one of these deputies started patrolling the Occoquan and Potomac Rivers in his boat, which he outfitted with the trappings of law enforcement, but failed to secure liability coverage in case he ever actually did anything other than look impressive.  There’s at least one case of a citizen actually purchasing their own patrol car, which was also uninsured by the department.  These deputies recieved no training, were generally unsupervised, did not qualify with their personally-owned sidearms, and to the extent that they engaged in any law enforcement activities, they were at the discretion, or whim, of the individual and not the department.  Why someone would want to buy their own patrol car and ride around like a real sheriff, but not actually obtain the training and the job of a law enforcement officer, is a mystery.

I had originially reported that the incident happened in Fairfax County, which was incorrect, so I’m glad that Messier supporters, who are trying as hard as possible to protect Mike Messier from the consequences of being Lee Stoffregen’s Chief Deputy, are pushing me as hard as possible to thoroughly investigate and report on the full details of the troubling legacy of Stoffregen and Messier.  Voters need to be fully aware of what happened during the Stoffregen/Messier regime, as it will help put into perspective why they’re seeing so many Mike Messier campaign signs illegally placed in county right-of-ways at the same time he promotes himself as “an honest man” for Sheriff.

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  1. Batson D. Belfrey said on 24 Apr 2007 at 4:19 pm:
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    The Wapo article quoted Stoffy as saying that he had no idea how many badges were issued as he “..didn’t keep the list”. Wonder if Messier was the keeper of the list?

  2. Naked Republican said on 24 Apr 2007 at 7:02 pm:
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    Messier’s “minions”? The trouble with Messier is that he refuses
    to partake in a dirty campaign such as Hill and Collier have been doing through the courtesy (?) of this website. Maybe
    you are on Hill’s payroll?? Like your Faisal Gill accusation?
    Messier wasn’t the one handing out badges, so why should he
    be blamed for something he had no control over.
    Guess I will have to contact Det Wing and get the story from
    him, for I wouldn’t believe anything that comes from Collier.
    You have conveniently not commented on the gay situation or
    the loans Hill has made to himself (or how much he has collected in contributions). Maybe he has to borrow money to
    pay his taxes (since he skipped several years before he became
    Sheriff, or don’t you remember that?).

  3. Sam Smith said on 24 Apr 2007 at 8:10 pm:
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    Unbelievable. Messier is nuts to think any Republican would support him. His supporters will have a tough time explaining away this issue. Hey, I know, let’s bash the gays !!

  4. Greg L said on 24 Apr 2007 at 8:19 pm:
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    I only entered into this discussion after noting the bizarre behavior of Mike Messier during a PWCRC meeting (see http://www.bvbl.net/?p=775 ). A race for Sheriff is generally below my radar screen, somewhere between my interest in Soil & Water Board and School Board elections. I think it’s pretty silly to elect a sheriff anyways, as it would make far more sense to have this as a civil service position that’s appointed by the county. It’s accidental that I’m even paying much attention here.

    It was a strange thing to see Messier promise to give the committee $10K if he would be elected, which would presumably happen if the committee strongly supported him. I noted it, questioning if this was legal. But what got my attention happened in the comments.

    Immediately, the most irresponsible, far-fetched, outright outrageous statements showed up that I have ever seen. It was enough to really start pissing me off, as I know Glen just a little, and have consistently been impressed by him. I know a little about hard campaigning and hard commentary, but what happened there was absolutely beyond that.

    So if you want to blame someone for what has become one of my typical incessant and withering fire regarding Messier, you and your buddies step in front of a mirror. Had it not been for what happened in that thread, I’d be paying about as much attention to the Sheriff race as I am right now to the Clerk’s race. I am now dedicated to ensuring Glen Hill is re-elected because I cannot personally stand the idea of seeing the outrageous behavior observed here ever poison the Sheriff’s office. Glen was worthy of my efforts in support of him before, but now it’s a priority.

    You Messier folks can bite me. Welcome to BVBL hell.

  5. Turn PW Blue said on 24 Apr 2007 at 8:38 pm:
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    What’s the deal with complaining about loans Hill made to his own campaign? This is actually a pretty common practice among those running for office in Virginia, especially offices with lower profiles like Clerk, School Board, and Sherriff. There is nothing illegal ore even remotely unethical. It’s a way for a candidate to kick-start their campaign. If fund raising goes well during the election, the loan gets repaid. In most cases, you’ll find that at the end of the campaign, the candidate ends up “donating” the amount of the loan to the campaign–thus the loan becomes part of the candidate’s self-financing.

  6. Austin said on 24 Apr 2007 at 8:47 pm:
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    Greg, Be nice to us Soil and Water guys. We actually get along. Thanks for helping last night.

  7. Greg L said on 24 Apr 2007 at 9:29 pm:
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    I know, Austin. Don’t worry — you and the rest of the nominees will get some coverage, and you’ll definitely get my strong endorsement. We nominated some outstanding candidates last night, and I only wish we could be giving you guys more legislative responsibility.

    I guess that will happen soon enough, though.

  8. anon said on 24 Apr 2007 at 11:35 pm:
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    It would be easy enough to get a “suspect” list of who ended up with these badges. The registrar’s office has the complete file of all of Stoffregen’s donations. Since we know one of the years in question, pull the file for that year and look at donations that came in around the same time as the obvious event expenditures occured. All of those people are your pool of “suspects”. Even if you don’t publish the list, you still might find it interesting to see which names come up and where they lead you on a google search. And even publishing the list of donors wouldn’t be “wrong” since it is a public document, just not one that’s been scanned to the internet yet.

  9. Anonymous said on 25 Apr 2007 at 12:00 am:
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    Is this another Once upon a time trumped up story?

  10. Anonymous said on 25 Apr 2007 at 1:27 am:
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    Most people holding public office like to crow about what they have accomplished for the people, community and the office they hold. However, If you have a public service record as bad as Glendell does you do the next best thing…..make trumped up charges about your opponent.

    Sheriff Wilson C. Garrison, Jr. (D) (1984 – 1995) Modernized the sheriff’s office, started a fugitive squad, started the child I.D. program, computerized the sheriff’s office, started escorting funerals, started a rank structure, updated equipment, gave free gun locks for gun safety, never had a budget close to 7 million dollars.

    Sheriff E. Lee Stoffregen, III (D) (1996 – 2003) Achieved Virginia Law Enforcement Accreditation, started child mentoring, established senior citizen programs, tried to make the streets safe by running radar to slow down speeders and aggressive drivers, had deputies respond to major crimes to get a quicker response to these crimes, never had a budget close to 7 million dollars.

    Sheriff Glendell Hill (R) (2004 – 2007) Reduced his workload by cutting services to the people, collected some cell phones, collected some money for the Red Cross to buy a trailer, bought tasers to shock unruly people in the courtroom, bought a golf cart so deputies could ride around the court complex, has a budget well over 7 million dollars and wants a 9 million dollar budget.

  11. AWCheney said on 25 Apr 2007 at 3:12 am:
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    “…started escorting funerals…”

    I know for a fact that statement is untrue…my father died in 1973 and his funeral procession had a Sheriff’s escort all the way from Nokesville to the PWC line on I66, where the Fauquier Sheriff’s Dept. picked us up. I remember seeing numerous Sheriff’s escorts over the years prior to Sheriff Garrison. I must wonder how many other “facts” are being skewed by Anonymous here.

  12. NoVA Scout said on 25 Apr 2007 at 7:33 am:
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    Anon 0127: a major problem with Stoffregen was that he was building a parallel and superfluous police department out of a constitutional office that has very limited functions and at a time when rapid growth of PW meant that public safety required a much larger sophisticated police force. There is no excuse for the Sheriff’s Department running radar traps and trying to run a crime scene. Stoffregen injected himself shamelessly into county politics and appears to have used the office to encourage contributions in return for rank and privileges with these auxiliary “deputies.” When Connaughton pushed back, Stoffregen tried to play kingmaker and it rightly blew up in his face.

    If Sheriff Hill can’t show expansion of his duties and functions, it’s because he faced a major challenge to horse the functions of the office back into their legal limits and to put an end to the sort of Boss Hawg atmosphere that his predecessor had encouraged. It’s very hard for me to believe that anyone in PW other than Stoffregen and a few of the guys to whom he granted deputy statuts is nostalgic for the Stoffregen days.

  13. Batson D. Belfrey said on 25 Apr 2007 at 8:11 am:
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    “The registrar’s office has the complete file of all of Stoffregen’s donations. Since we know one of the years in question, pull the file for that year and look at donations that came in around the same time as the obvious event expenditures occured. All of those people are your pool of “suspects”. ”

    You are assuming that Stoffy actually claimed all of the money on his finance reports. Remember, he was indicted for embezzelment from an already illegal slush-fund. Messier was well aware of this fund, having been Stoffy’s right-hand-man and a member of his campaign staff.

    To those who are trying to make a big deal out of a candidate loaning his own campaign money, this is a legal and common practice, especially for a challenger.

    “Is this another Once upon a time trumped up story?”

    Hey Jack-ass, did you read the articles in the Post? This type of thing has been going on ever since Stoffy was booted out of office. Stoffregen was a crook. Messier was his second-in-command, and even if he didn’t participate in any illegal or unethical actions, there is reason to believe that he knew what was happening. That makes him dirty. If by some small chance he didn’t know, then that makes him stupid. Either way, dirty or stupid, he’s not qualified to be the Sheriff.

    Now to Messier’s ex-PWC-deputy supporters who are trying to defend Messier here. Give it up. We have selling badges, lost and stolen firearms, slush-funds, solicitation to buy votes, and a whole slew of other things that make Messier stink. What do you have? Hill loaned his campaign money, has refocused the department on the constitutional duties of the Sheriff, and if you believe in fairy tales, gay deputies getting together in the courthouse?

    Not only is Messier too stupid to be the Sheriff, his supporters here (from Norfolk and Ohio) not only can’t vote for him, but are also too stupid to even mount a decent defense.

  14. anon said on 25 Apr 2007 at 9:00 am:
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    I suspect there is only one Messier supporter here - and he posted at 12:00 and 1:27 am.

    And you are right about the possibility of the money not being declared! I just thought it might be a starting point. If nothing else, the records could be pulled to see if Mr. Turner’s name is located among the donors. If not, then that should be a HUGE red flag - either the donation was kept off the books or he’s lying. Either way - it’s a big deal!

    I’m not in a position to go to the registrar’s office, but I’m hopeful that Greg might have the time to swing by.

  15. anon said on 25 Apr 2007 at 9:01 am:
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    Excuse me Batson, I should have said two supporters! I wonder if they are related to Messier or former “deputies”?

  16. Batson D. Belfrey said on 25 Apr 2007 at 9:55 am:
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    I am pretty sure these two are the same clowns who every so often fire off a LTE to the MJM, bashing Hill. One lives in Norfolk/VA Beach, and the other lives in Ohio.

    You might be on to something here. I am sure that should Stoffy have declared the money, it would be listed on his finance reports, which can be found at the SBE website and on VPAP.

  17. Batson D. Belfrey said on 25 Apr 2007 at 10:03 am:
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    No luck on either site. Only statewide, HOD or Senate candidates are listed.

  18. Anonymous said on 25 Apr 2007 at 12:21 pm:
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    Do you understand what you are saying? Most of you are saying three years later, Stoffregen is still dictating what goes on in the sheriff’s office which Hill does not have the leadership skills necessary to overcome and accomplish things for the people and the community.

    We need someone who can move the sheriff’s office forward.

  19. Batson D. Belfrey said on 25 Apr 2007 at 12:49 pm:
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    “Do you understand what you are saying?”

    Yes, we are saying that we don’t want a return to the way the Department was run under Stogfregen, which is exactly what we would get under Messier. Messier was Stoffregen’s most trusted deputy, which is not a positioned elected or awarded. It is earned. How did Messier earn his way to the #2 spot in a corrupt Department? Loyalty and knowing how to keep his mouth shut.

    Messier will try to rebuild the Stoffregen empire. His claims to be a “life-long Republican” fall on deaf ears, when he spent so much time trying to get his boss, a crooked Democrat re-elected. He has no traction within the committees (except perhaps the Democratic committees). Foitis entering the race only serves to weaken his chances.

    As I have said before, Messier is either stupid or crooked, neither of which would make him a good Sheriff.

  20. Anonymous said on 25 Apr 2007 at 1:01 pm:
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    If there was leadership in the sheriff’s office the people will be better served. Hill seems to lack the leadership skills and management skills necessary to move the sheriff’s office forward.

  21. Batson D. Belfrey said on 25 Apr 2007 at 1:14 pm:
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    “Hill seems to lack the leadership skills and management skills necessary to move the sheriff’s office forward.”

    Hill has moved the department forward. He cleaned up the mess left by Stoffregen and Messier. No small task, and he did it wtihout selling badges or stealing guns, or embezzeling money from slush funds.

  22. anon said on 25 Apr 2007 at 1:38 pm:
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    ” … three years later, Stoffregen is still dictating what goes on in the sheriff’s office”

    How is Stoffregen “dictating” what goes on in the sheriff’s office today? Is it because we are citing things that Hill is doing that are the opposite of things that Stoffregen did? Is THAT how Stoffregen is “dictating” what happens? There is no other possible way that your statement could make any sense. And even then, it is a stretch. That would be like saying that because Corey Stewart is taking a tack opposite of that of former chairman Sean Connaughton that Connaughton is “still dictating” what happens in the chairmanship. Nonsense.

    It would probably be fair to say that Hill’s tenure in the Sheriff’s office has been INFLUENCED BY the actions of his predecessor. Of course that is to be expected when it is your job to come in and clean up after a corrupt politician.

  23. justice said on 25 Apr 2007 at 2:07 pm:
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    I’ve known Glenn Hill for 30 years. He is as solid as they come. He had my vote when he first ran for Sheriff and certainly has my vote now.

  24. Turn PW Blue said on 25 Apr 2007 at 2:59 pm:
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    I find this whole thread pretty amusing. Sherriff Hill is being blasted because, get this, he actually performs the duties of his office. Somehow, the fact that he hasn’t tried to expand his duties *beyond* those outlined in the Constitution of the Commonwealth of Virginia and in Virginia Code is being used to say Hill is not fit for office. Yet in the next breath, these Messier supporters/anti-Hill advocates state that the budget for the Sheriff’s office is too big. So, how then is Mr. Messier going to expand the duties and services of the Sheriff’s office beyond those that are actually part of the job while at the same time cutting the amount of money needed to run the office? That just makes no logical or rational sense.

  25. Ted said on 25 Apr 2007 at 3:03 pm:
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    It would be nice if Messier would have his people place his signs on private property like the election laws say campaigns are suppposed to vice on public property all over the place..

  26. Greg L said on 25 Apr 2007 at 3:18 pm:
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    The problem with that is that his yard signs so closely resemble real estate for sale advertisements by Keller-Williams that folks are concerned they’re going to have buyer’s agents come knocking on their doors.

    Someone’s going to start putting “price reduced” stickers on these things. I know it.

  27. Batson D. Belfrey said on 25 Apr 2007 at 3:31 pm:
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    “So, how then is Mr. Messier going to expand the duties and services of the Sheriff’s office beyond those that are actually part of the job while at the same time cutting the amount of money needed to run the office? That just makes no logical or rational sense.”

    One way, I would suspect, is for him to reinstittue the “special deputy” program, with a cost-of-living increase in the price of the badges, of course. At say $1000 a pop, he could raise $500K in no time. Then these clowns will go out an buy Crown Vics, Harleys and Boston Whalers on their own dimes, use their badges to get these civvy vehicles outfitted with lights and Sheriff’s paintjobs, and there you have it. He’ll put tons of “cops” on the streets for almost nothing. Since these guys won’t have attended any police academy, that will save a ton too. No man-hours spent on back-ground checks of these “deputies” either. Maybe Messier will be able to out do his boss, and get a Special Deputy with his own Chopper. Wouldn’t that be cool?

    Or he could sell the Golf cart that the Sheriff’s department curently uses to help the handicapped and elderly to and from their cars, parked in the far lot, when these people are conducting business in the courthouse. That seems to be what Messier considers “wasteful spending” by Hill. Of course, this would only be a one-time savings of a few grand. What’s that compared to all the dough Messier could raise by ressurecting his old boss’ policies?

    One last cost-savings initiative by Messier could be to “lose” a bunch of weapons, like he did when he was running the office for Stoffregen. Think of all the man-hours that will be saved on inventory management.

  28. Batson D. Belfrey said on 25 Apr 2007 at 3:32 pm:
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    Messier has signs up? I thought those were advertisments for a Blue Oyster Cult tribute band? Damn these old glasses.

  29. Ted said on 25 Apr 2007 at 4:34 pm:
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    Re: Messier’s signs.

    You guys are cold. Funny, but cold.

  30. super trooper said on 25 Apr 2007 at 10:32 pm:
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    hahaha messier sheriff what a joke hes not a brain surgeon to run after his former boss was convicted of a crime please just be more stupid run for president

  31. citizen sam said on 26 Apr 2007 at 11:14 pm:
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    I will say this for Sheriff Hill, he does not play favorites and no one is safe. He fired or forced his campaign manger to resign after he ran a background check on his ex-wife’s boyfriend. The full story - a former detective for MCPD ran his campaign and was hired as the supervisor of the Office of Professional Standards (Internal Affairs). The new deputy was concerned with his ex-wifes boyfriend and ran a criminal background check on him. As LEO’s know, this is highly illegal when not done in a criminal investigation. His ex found out and filed a complaint. The Sheriff held no punches and the deputy was either fired or forced to resign. I have a lot of respect for a man who is not part of the “good ole boy network” Go Glen Hill! You have my vote and for the Messier supporters, you must be smoking something illegal if you think he has any chance.

  32. Naked Republican said on 27 Apr 2007 at 11:07 am:
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    To Citizen Sam: I have known Messier for about 20 years, 1st
    when he coached my kids at soccer and know him to be an out-
    standing human being and no, he isn’t smoking anything illegal.
    He doesn’t snort anything either. You people really under
    estimate this guy, and that’s too bad. The only negative on
    Messier (not his hair, not his signs, etc.) is the fact that he
    worked for Stoffregen. This doesn’t make him Stoffregen.
    Grow up, fellows and get a life. Do something constructive
    instead of spewing forth all the disgusting, immature rage.
    That is nothing more than bullying via the web and everybody
    knows what causes someone to bully others.
    To Super Trooper: Get some grammer lessons, please.

  33. Batson D. Belfrey said on 27 Apr 2007 at 11:51 am:
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    “The only negative on Messier (not his hair, not his signs, etc.) is the fact that he
    worked for Stoffregen. This doesn’t make him Stoffregen.
    Grow up, fellows and get a life. Do something constructive
    instead of spewing forth all the disgusting, immature rage.”

    Meesier might as well be Stoffregen. Like I have said, either he knew what was going on and kept his mouth shut, or he was oblivious, which makes him stupid. Either way, not the best candidate.

    As to your comments regarding the spewing of hate, it is you and your Norfolk crew who started the war. You are just crying now because you walked into a buzz-saw. Your candidate went negative first. Amateur mistake. Never go negative, when your negatives are bigger than your opponents.

  34. citizen sam said on 27 Apr 2007 at 2:42 pm:
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    Naked Republican,

    maybe you need to read the post fully. I never accussed messier of smoking anything illegal. I said if anyone thinks that he is going to beat Hill then they must be smoking something illegal. You can put it any way you like, he was part of the problem not the solution. In 1972 ( I believe) the citizens of Manassas voted for a professional police department and they recieved it. then Stoffregen comes in and wants to do police work and then cry that he doesn’t have enough man power. Messier was part of this regime and I didn’t see him come out against it or attempt to do anything about it. Now all of a sudden he is a Republican. I was always taught be careful of the company you keep, because that is how people will judge you. I am judging Messier on the company he kept. he should have got out and ran against the Sheriff then.

  35. citizen sam said on 27 Apr 2007 at 3:44 pm:
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    Excuse me, My last post should have been, “in 1972 (I believe) the citizens of Prince William County voted…” Sorry!

  36. Naked Republican said on 27 Apr 2007 at 7:47 pm:
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    Batson D Belfrey 4/27 @ 11:51 FYI the so-called chain-saw war
    was not begun by Messier (if you can read, you can check back
    on the beginning comments of his campaign on this site). In all the years I have known the man, I’ve never heard him say a
    negative comment about ANYONE. Your “AKA” really fits you.
    Citizen Sam 4/26 @11:14 The former deputy who investigated
    his ex-wife’s (at the time she was not his ex) boyfriend committed a crime, so why was he not brought to justice?
    This is probably another case of cover-ups I’ve been hearing
    about which goes on consistently in that department. Remember, no bad publicity for the department!!

  37. Interested Party said on 27 Apr 2007 at 10:10 pm:
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    As you read all this back and forth, perhaps it really is time to make a change… not Hill and not Messier…. a positive change:

    How bout we ‘trade up’ and support Fotis for Sheriff www.fotisforsheriff.com?

    Just my .02

  38. AWCheney said on 28 Apr 2007 at 2:47 am:
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    Excerpt posted by Anonymous, April 25 at 1:27 AM :

    “Sheriff E. Lee Stoffregen, III (D) (1996 – 2003)….tried to make the streets safe by running radar to slow down speeders and aggressive drivers (His activities created, not only redundancy and severe traffic jams, but bad blood between the Sheriff’s office and the County Police and led to Stoffregen’s demand for law enforcement grants for equipment which was needed by the legitimate law enforcement entity, plus his demands for additional funding from the PWC BOS) , had deputies respond to major crimes to get a quicker response to these crimes (performed by deputies who were not trained in those duties, and were only interested in beating the PWC Police to the site), never had a budget close to 7 million dollars (because he had an enormous slush fund and often utilized untrained “Auxiliary Deputies” who rushed to scenes where they had no business being to perform professional law enforcement duties, but primarily utilized those untrained deputies to perform the mandated duties of the Sheriff’s Dept. to pick up the slack).”

    Parentheses are mine, of course.

    Aside from the danger to public safety in having this enormous crew of untrained “deputies” who had purchased their badges rushing to dangerous situations just to “take over the scene” for the Sheriff (I suspect that there were plenty of “Rambos” in this bunch), how long do you think it would have taken (had Stoffregen been re-elected) for him to double his budget (if not more) in order to “properly train deputies for law enforcement duties” and supply his office with “adequate equipment and additional manpower” to safely pursue that which is under the auspices of the police departments of the County and Cities?

    All the arguments that I’ve seen on this thread, and the others, from the pro-Messier crowd want nothing more than to bring back Stoffregen’s methods and agenda. What they seem to have forgotten (or have a vested interest in bringing it back) is that was EXACTLY why Glen Hill so thoroughly trounced Stoffregen, the incumbent, in the previous election…and Glen has been doing exactly what he was elected to do. Sorry folks…your logic is flawed and your candidate is just not going to get traction.

  39. Naked Republican said on 28 Apr 2007 at 10:03 pm:
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    Breaking News! I discovered today that Mr Turner’s badge
    was issued by one Glendell Hill!!!! Yes, for sure! Mr Hill was
    giving away badges to his cronies IMMEDIATELY after he was
    elected. Check it out. The reason Mr Turner was not arrested
    was simply because it was Hill who issued the badge to him
    and he couldn’t have that hit the air waves, now could he?

  40. AWCheney said on 28 Apr 2007 at 11:47 pm:
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    …and your evidence is…?

  41. Greg L said on 28 Apr 2007 at 11:53 pm:
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    NR, I personally saw those credentials and they were signed by Stoffregen. The credentials expired prior to Glen Hill taking office. Had Hill issued those credentials, he would have signed them, and they would still be valid. You are full of it.

  42. AWCheney said on 29 Apr 2007 at 12:28 am:
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    The only thing he/she is full of, Greg, is fabrications…just like the rest of the Messier/Stoffregen apologists. It would seem that everything they say from hence forth will be lacking in credibility.

  43. TOH Webmaster said on 29 Apr 2007 at 1:43 am:
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    Here is another person that was arrested in 2004 with an old Prince William Badge:


  44. Naked Republican said on 29 Apr 2007 at 6:33 pm:
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    You don’t know the meaning of credibility, do you? Let’s see
    how our newest run for Sheriff comes to the forefront. Sounds
    like we have a real winner here. TOH Webmaster, you have
    hit it on the head! Finally, we can leave Hill, Stoffreggen and
    Messier in the dust?

  45. super trooper said on 29 Apr 2007 at 7:39 pm:
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    messss yes he is hahahaha

  46. Naked Republican said on 29 Apr 2007 at 9:03 pm:
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    Super trooper (I prefer to think super POOPER). You can’t be
    a trooper, for your’re too stupid.

  47. super trooper said on 3 May 2007 at 9:23 pm:
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    Naked Republican put on some clothes get a life and ohhh maybe get your head out of your ass for only a second. The only thing that Messier brings is alot
    of stoffy garbage. Were did you dream up any of your info well nice dream time to wake up.

  48. Naked Republican said on 5 May 2007 at 11:13 am:
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    Super Pooper - get yourself some help, you poor pitiful
    ignorant fool.

  49. Interested Party said on 6 May 2007 at 11:47 pm:
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    Does anyone else on this thread share the idea that we are far past the time that we should be moving the Sheriff’s department into a positive (and perhaps even more conservative supporting) footing? Lets leave all this old crap in the dust …. and like a line from an old western, perhaps it is time for a new Sheriff….

    James J. Fotis for Prince William County Sheriff

  50. anon said on 11 May 2007 at 10:48 pm:
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    Who the heck is Fotis?????

  51. Interested Party said on 12 May 2007 at 11:15 pm:
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    Information on James J. Foits — the conervative candidate for Prince William County Sheriff, in the upcoming 3-way Republican Primary to be held on June 12th — can be found at www.fotisforsheriff.com

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