Comments on: Zapatistas In Our Schools http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/26/zapatistas-in-our-schools/ Blog-Fu for Prince William, Manassas and Manassas Park politics. Tue, 22 May 2012 03:10:37 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.3 By: dolphin_Moon http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/26/zapatistas-in-our-schools/#comment-16313 dolphin_Moon Fri, 20 Jul 2007 22:25:15 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/26/zapatistas-in-our-schools/#comment-16313 Ms. Lyall did teach history. Be afraid. Ms. Lyall did teach history. Be afraid.

]]> By: citizenofmanassas http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/26/zapatistas-in-our-schools/#comment-10560 citizenofmanassas Sun, 06 May 2007 22:33:55 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/26/zapatistas-in-our-schools/#comment-10560 Anon, How do you feel about the attempted burning of the illegal day care center in Montgomery County, MD? I would assume you don't have a problem with it, since someone was seeking justice. Anon,

How do you feel about the attempted burning of the illegal day care center in Montgomery County, MD? I would assume you don’t have a problem with it, since someone was seeking justice.

]]> By: Greg L http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/26/zapatistas-in-our-schools/#comment-10429 Greg L Fri, 04 May 2007 18:07:17 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/26/zapatistas-in-our-schools/#comment-10429 I'm sure there are lots of citizens who were happy to leave Arlington as well. It's a mess. I’m sure there are lots of citizens who were happy to leave Arlington as well. It’s a mess.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/26/zapatistas-in-our-schools/#comment-10428 Anonymous Fri, 04 May 2007 18:01:09 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/26/zapatistas-in-our-schools/#comment-10428 I am so happy to leave in Arlington I am so happy to leave in Arlington

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/26/zapatistas-in-our-schools/#comment-10427 Anonymous Fri, 04 May 2007 18:00:14 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/26/zapatistas-in-our-schools/#comment-10427 It is great to know that some people belive in Justice "kudos to Lydia Gonzalez" It is great to know that some people belive in Justice “kudos to Lydia Gonzalez”

]]> By: citizenofmanassas http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/26/zapatistas-in-our-schools/#comment-10172 citizenofmanassas Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:05:44 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/26/zapatistas-in-our-schools/#comment-10172 Hulk, Why should I give him respect? If you think someone who lied should be respected, I guess you and I have different morals. I would put Ape on the same level as Clinton when ranking the worst Presidents we have had. Ignorance on what? Because I do not like law breakers? I guess that is another issue where we have different morals. Hulk,

Why should I give him respect? If you think someone who lied should be respected, I guess you and I have different morals.

I would put Ape on the same level as Clinton when ranking the worst Presidents we have had.

Ignorance on what? Because I do not like law breakers? I guess that is another issue where we have different morals.

]]> By: Hulk Hogan http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/26/zapatistas-in-our-schools/#comment-10076 Hulk Hogan Sun, 29 Apr 2007 04:51:27 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/26/zapatistas-in-our-schools/#comment-10076 COM, give the President the respect he deserves and stop calling him Ape. It also shows your ignorance, but then again so do most of your posts. COM, give the President the respect he deserves and stop calling him Ape. It also shows your ignorance, but then again so do most of your posts.

]]> By: citizenofmanassas http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/26/zapatistas-in-our-schools/#comment-9965 citizenofmanassas Fri, 27 Apr 2007 12:55:56 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/26/zapatistas-in-our-schools/#comment-9965 Nova, There were two votes, and it does not matter if there was a watch dog or not. In fact that makes sense given the fluid situation of the times. The popular vote of course was needed to ratify what the convention did. Ape pushed Virginia into a corner and that backfired on him in a big way. Nova,

There were two votes, and it does not matter if there was a watch dog or not. In fact that makes sense given the fluid situation of the times. The popular vote of course was needed to ratify what the convention did. Ape pushed Virginia into a corner and that backfired on him in a big way.

]]> By: NoVA Scout http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/26/zapatistas-in-our-schools/#comment-9944 NoVA Scout Fri, 27 Apr 2007 03:11:49 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/26/zapatistas-in-our-schools/#comment-9944 re citizen of manassas entry: I keep running into this idea that there were two Virginia plebiscites on secession - the first voting to stay in the Union and the second voting for secession in reaction to President Lincoln's call for the raising of an Army of 75,000 to repress the rebellion. I think this is a fairly persistent misperception that keeps coming back like a bad penny. My recollection (and, being an older fellow, I was around then) is that a convention on secession met in Richmond in early 1861 (following South Carolina's secession in December 1860) and was fairly divided on the subject, there being a body of strong anti-secession sentiment within the convention, particularly among delegates representing the 35 western counties, where slavery was rare and the culture and economics of the region were more closely linked to Ohio and Pennsylvania. The convention was essentially conservative on the question of secession and did vote on 4 April by a substantial margin against a motion of secession (as did similar conventions in Tennessee and North Carolina). But it was very clear that the issue was not decided for all time and the convention was kept in session as a watchdog on what the federal government would do to respond to the seven slave states that had already convened as a separate government in Montgomery. The events of the remainder of April 1861 pretty much avalanched the Richmond convention. News of Sumter's fall arrived on the 13th and sparked huge spontaneous pro-secession demonstrations throughout the city. Lincoln's mobilization proclamation issued on the 15th. A Virginia secession resolution passed overwhelmingly on the 17th. The only popular vote came much later, 23 May, by which time military actions had been undertaken by both sides and secession was a fait accompli. Virginians voted 129,000 to 32,000 to ratify the April secession resolution. My village voted 120-something to 70-something to stay in the Union (the exact numbers escape me). re citizen of manassas entry: I keep running into this idea that there were two Virginia plebiscites on secession - the first voting to stay in the Union and the second voting for secession in reaction to President Lincoln’s call for the raising of an Army of 75,000 to repress the rebellion. I think this is a fairly persistent misperception that keeps coming back like a bad penny. My recollection (and, being an older fellow, I was around then) is that a convention on secession met in Richmond in early 1861 (following South Carolina’s secession in December 1860) and was fairly divided on the subject, there being a body of strong anti-secession sentiment within the convention, particularly among delegates representing the 35 western counties, where slavery was rare and the culture and economics of the region were more closely linked to Ohio and Pennsylvania. The convention was essentially conservative on the question of secession and did vote on 4 April by a substantial margin against a motion of secession (as did similar conventions in Tennessee and North Carolina). But it was very clear that the issue was not decided for all time and the convention was kept in session as a watchdog on what the federal government would do to respond to the seven slave states that had already convened as a separate government in Montgomery. The events of the remainder of April 1861 pretty much avalanched the Richmond convention. News of Sumter’s fall arrived on the 13th and sparked huge spontaneous pro-secession demonstrations throughout the city. Lincoln’s mobilization proclamation issued on the 15th. A Virginia secession resolution passed overwhelmingly on the 17th. The only popular vote came much later, 23 May, by which time military actions had been undertaken by both sides and secession was a fait accompli. Virginians voted 129,000 to 32,000 to ratify the April secession resolution. My village voted 120-something to 70-something to stay in the Union (the exact numbers escape me).

]]> By: CONVA http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/26/zapatistas-in-our-schools/#comment-9931 CONVA Thu, 26 Apr 2007 23:44:19 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/26/zapatistas-in-our-schools/#comment-9931 The above is exactly why the "FENCE" should have been built in 1986 when Reagan got duped by the socilaists in congress with that amnesty crap. We better get it built NOW or our children will have to live with more of these wing nuts. The above is exactly why the “FENCE” should have been built in 1986 when Reagan got duped by the socilaists in congress with that amnesty crap. We better get it built NOW or our children will have to live with more of these wing nuts.

]]> By: citizenofmanassas http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/26/zapatistas-in-our-schools/#comment-9930 citizenofmanassas Thu, 26 Apr 2007 23:32:41 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/26/zapatistas-in-our-schools/#comment-9930 To add, Virginia voters at first rejected secession. It was only voted for after Ape Lincoln asked our beloved Commonwealth for soldiers to help out with putting down the deep South. To add, Virginia voters at first rejected secession. It was only voted for after Ape Lincoln asked our beloved Commonwealth for soldiers to help out with putting down the deep South.

]]> By: AWCheney http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/26/zapatistas-in-our-schools/#comment-9921 AWCheney Thu, 26 Apr 2007 22:02:56 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/26/zapatistas-in-our-schools/#comment-9921 "Virginia happens to be one of the most repressive states in the United States given its history of slavery." Ms. Lyall should perhaps brush up on her history a bit (hope she never tried to teach it), but it seems to me that Virginia was the most enlightened state in the South regarding the slavery issue. Most prominent Virginians (including the Lee family) had already freed their slaves and, ultimately, Virginia did not enter the Confederacy on that issue but on the issue of State’s Rights (the right of the states to determine this issue for themselves without Federal interference). “Virginia happens to be one of the most repressive states in the United States given its history of slavery.”

Ms. Lyall should perhaps brush up on her history a bit (hope she never tried to teach it), but it seems to me that Virginia was the most enlightened state in the South regarding the slavery issue. Most prominent Virginians (including the Lee family) had already freed their slaves and, ultimately, Virginia did not enter the Confederacy on that issue but on the issue of State’s Rights (the right of the states to determine this issue for themselves without Federal interference).

]]> By: Had to Say http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/26/zapatistas-in-our-schools/#comment-9914 Had to Say Thu, 26 Apr 2007 20:49:50 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/26/zapatistas-in-our-schools/#comment-9914 Interesting enough, someone has told me that the MCPS's employ’s interpreters. Wonder how much they get paid? Is it the same salary as the teachers they plan on cutting? Interesting enough, someone has told me that the MCPS’s employ’s interpreters. Wonder how much they get paid? Is it the same salary as the teachers they plan on cutting?

]]> By: Batson D. Belfrey http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/26/zapatistas-in-our-schools/#comment-9899 Batson D. Belfrey Thu, 26 Apr 2007 16:40:15 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/26/zapatistas-in-our-schools/#comment-9899 Lydia Gonzalez was indeed a teacher. She loves to tell people that she is an immigrant from Puerto Rico. I am not sure how one manages to immigrate into the United States...from the United States, but somehow she manages to gloss over the fact that those born on Puerto Rico are US Citizens at birth. She is a frequent fixture at city council and BOCS meetings, that have anything to do with illegals. SHe spoke against the redefinition of family ordinance last year, in Manassas. Though American by birth, she has picked her side. She advocates for illegals, but only those of hispanic decent. Lydia Gonzalez was indeed a teacher. She loves to tell people that she is an immigrant from Puerto Rico. I am not sure how one manages to immigrate into the United States…from the United States, but somehow she manages to gloss over the fact that those born on Puerto Rico are US Citizens at birth.

She is a frequent fixture at city council and BOCS meetings, that have anything to do with illegals. SHe spoke against the redefinition of family ordinance last year, in Manassas.

Though American by birth, she has picked her side. She advocates for illegals, but only those of hispanic decent.

]]> By: The Patriot http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/26/zapatistas-in-our-schools/#comment-9898 The Patriot Thu, 26 Apr 2007 16:29:49 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/26/zapatistas-in-our-schools/#comment-9898 On a larger level, Hillary Clinton continues her antics by now announcing that Fabian Nunez (who has ties to Mecha) will be part of her campaign. Read the article. It seems that groups like Mecha already have people in political places that are directing the course of events! How on earth did we allow this to happen! http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=6639 On a larger level, Hillary Clinton continues her antics by now announcing that Fabian Nunez (who has ties to Mecha) will be part of her campaign. Read the article. It seems that groups like Mecha already have people in political places that are directing the course of events! How on earth did we allow this to happen!
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=6639

]]> By: citizenofmanassas http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/26/zapatistas-in-our-schools/#comment-9896 citizenofmanassas Thu, 26 Apr 2007 15:05:47 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/26/zapatistas-in-our-schools/#comment-9896 This is not exactly on topic but worth noting. Back in 1998 or 97, when Prince William County was building the now named Leesylvania Elementary school, one of the opponents of that name, Lydia Gonzalez said the Lee family were basically only slave owners and that is why the school should not be named after the Lee family. She of course wanted the school to be named for Roberto Clemente, which is fair enough but she did not have to insult one of the most historic and influential family names in Virginia history. At the time Lydia was an appointed member of the County Human Rights Council. Former Supervisor Hill was the one that appointed her to the Council. Of course Hill defended Gonzalez by saying that was her personal opinion and not said in her official capacity of a member of the council. Lydia is also a member of the Prince William committee of 100. I believe she also was a teacher at some point in the Prince William County school system. She is most likely a member of other groups. She was also at the first public meeting of HSM. I hardly doubt she was there in support of HSM. She seems to have the same views as many of the people you note in your piece. This is not exactly on topic but worth noting. Back in 1998 or 97, when Prince William County was building the now named Leesylvania Elementary school, one of the opponents of that name, Lydia Gonzalez said the Lee family were basically only slave owners and that is why the school should not be named after the Lee family. She of course wanted the school to be named for Roberto Clemente, which is fair enough but she did not have to insult one of the most historic and influential family names in Virginia history. At the time Lydia was an appointed member of the County Human Rights Council. Former Supervisor Hill was the one that appointed her to the Council. Of course Hill defended Gonzalez by saying that was her personal opinion and not said in her official capacity of a member of the council. Lydia is also a member of the Prince William committee of 100. I believe she also was a teacher at some point in the Prince William County school system. She is most likely a member of other groups. She was also at the first public meeting of HSM. I hardly doubt she was there in support of HSM.

She seems to have the same views as many of the people you note in your piece.

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