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	<title>Comments on: Beauchamp Goes Independent</title>
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		<title>By: James Young</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/28/beauchamp-goes-independent/#comment-10270</link>
		<dc:creator>James Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 14:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/28/beauchamp-goes-independent/#comment-10270</guid>
		<description>Anon 9:55, that's a pretty good point.  Hadn't really thought about that, but you are correct, to a degree.

I suppose in this context, and in an on-the-fly analysis, the values/ethics reflected in the Party Plan are ones which respect the phrase that I placed at the end: "the considered wisdom of its current Membership."  I suppose it harkens back to Franklin's comment at the close of the Constitutional Convention: "a Republic, if you can keep it."  That is, a framework which reflects the commitment to thoughtful representation expressed democratically.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon 9:55, that&#8217;s a pretty good point.  Hadn&#8217;t really thought about that, but you are correct, to a degree.</p>
<p>I suppose in this context, and in an on-the-fly analysis, the values/ethics reflected in the Party Plan are ones which respect the phrase that I placed at the end: &#8220;the considered wisdom of its current Membership.&#8221;  I suppose it harkens back to Franklin&#8217;s comment at the close of the Constitutional Convention: &#8220;a Republic, if you can keep it.&#8221;  That is, a framework which reflects the commitment to thoughtful representation expressed democratically.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/28/beauchamp-goes-independent/#comment-10261</link>
		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 01:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/28/beauchamp-goes-independent/#comment-10261</guid>
		<description>A framework of government IS an expression of values.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A framework of government IS an expression of values.</p>
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		<title>By: James Young</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/28/beauchamp-goes-independent/#comment-10237</link>
		<dc:creator>James Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 17:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/28/beauchamp-goes-independent/#comment-10237</guid>
		<description>Your last demonstrates why it is well that you should not aspire to a leadership role in the RPV or its units, "CONVA."  Is that "CON" short for "Conservative," or "Con Artist"?

As for your question, the first answer would be "What or whose ethics?"  Mine?  Yours based upon the convenience of the moment?  Greg's?  Bill Kling's?

My recollection is that it does not.  A Party Plan is a framework for governance, not an expression of values.  Hence, the more successful ones merely establish a process for governance.  The language is written broadly, such that the values reflected by the operations of the County Committee are those derived from the considered wisdom of its current Membership.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your last demonstrates why it is well that you should not aspire to a leadership role in the RPV or its units, &#8220;CONVA.&#8221;  Is that &#8220;CON&#8221; short for &#8220;Conservative,&#8221; or &#8220;Con Artist&#8221;?</p>
<p>As for your question, the first answer would be &#8220;What or whose ethics?&#8221;  Mine?  Yours based upon the convenience of the moment?  Greg&#8217;s?  Bill Kling&#8217;s?</p>
<p>My recollection is that it does not.  A Party Plan is a framework for governance, not an expression of values.  Hence, the more successful ones merely establish a process for governance.  The language is written broadly, such that the values reflected by the operations of the County Committee are those derived from the considered wisdom of its current Membership.</p>
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		<title>By: CONVA</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/28/beauchamp-goes-independent/#comment-10234</link>
		<dc:creator>CONVA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 15:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/28/beauchamp-goes-independent/#comment-10234</guid>
		<description>I love the "wisdom of RPV" hahaha... I hope the Govenor reads that.  By the way, does the PWC party plan address the any semblance of ethics?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the &#8220;wisdom of RPV&#8221; hahaha&#8230; I hope the Govenor reads that.  By the way, does the PWC party plan address the any semblance of ethics?</p>
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		<title>By: James Young</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/28/beauchamp-goes-independent/#comment-10214</link>
		<dc:creator>James Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 04:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/28/beauchamp-goes-independent/#comment-10214</guid>
		<description>"CONVA," it is a sign of your desperation that you are reduced to using the word "expert" as a term of derision?  Are you so desperate to provoke controversy that you do so where there is none?  You use the phrase with sarcastic derision, but the simple fact is that I AM an "expert" on the requirements and provisions of the Prince William Party Plan, as its primary author (though, of course, it was adopted by the Committee as a whole, waaaaaay back in 1992, if memory serves).  That's not braggadacio; it's simple fact, based upon experience.  I may not agree with what Kurt Vonnegut says about "Cat's Cradle," but I certainly have to respect his authority to comment upon what its author intended.

You suggest another standard unknown to the rules by which the RPV and the PWC GOP and its Committee are governed, and one which would be unworkable in practice.  That's why I cited your "lack of knowledge."  I suppose I could have said "ignorance," but "ignorance" carries a negative connotation, and I didn't intend one.

Now, however, your last post demonstrates that it's not ignorance, but a knowing commitment to attacking rhetorically rules you cannot defeat in practice and which have withstood the test of time.  What is "conservative" about that attitude is a mystery to me; one could argue that it's nihlism at its worst, or perhaps just the application of situational ethics.  'Fact is, the same rules that prohibit Members of official committees from endorsing/aiding non-Republicans (Democrats, Greens, Independents) like Beauchamp are the same rules which prohibit me, as a member of the PWC Committee, from endorsing a post-nomination opponent of Maureen Caddigan or Marty Nohe, our well-known differences to the contrary notwithstanding.  The choice of Beauchamp's endorsees who are Members of the County Committee is stark, but simple.  It is not a choice faced by those who want to call themselves "Republicans," but who are not members of the County Committee, a fact I freely concede.

Leadership demands a higher standard, and membership in official RPV committees is a leadership role which places the demand that members be willing, upon request in open meeting, to state their intention to support all Republican nominees in the ensuing election.  This is not a requirement which is contrary to the notion that "There are many of us conservatives that generally vote republican and do not join the 'official' Republican Committee of Virginia."  It is separate and apart from those who wish to take a leadership role in Party affairs by accepting Committee office and those who do on, some (like you, apparently) wishing to reserve unto themselves the freedom to support candidates other than Republicans.

But please do not try to camouflage your desire to reject unilaterally and at your own discretion the considered wisdom of RPV or its units by citing your contempt for me or Kopko and those who supported him over Brian Murphy.  That is simply a rationalization of a narcissism which is contrary to a party's selection of its leaders, and the effective and efficient management of party affairs.  Any party's affairs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;CONVA,&#8221; it is a sign of your desperation that you are reduced to using the word &#8220;expert&#8221; as a term of derision?  Are you so desperate to provoke controversy that you do so where there is none?  You use the phrase with sarcastic derision, but the simple fact is that I AM an &#8220;expert&#8221; on the requirements and provisions of the Prince William Party Plan, as its primary author (though, of course, it was adopted by the Committee as a whole, waaaaaay back in 1992, if memory serves).  That&#8217;s not braggadacio; it&#8217;s simple fact, based upon experience.  I may not agree with what Kurt Vonnegut says about &#8220;Cat&#8217;s Cradle,&#8221; but I certainly have to respect his authority to comment upon what its author intended.</p>
<p>You suggest another standard unknown to the rules by which the RPV and the PWC GOP and its Committee are governed, and one which would be unworkable in practice.  That&#8217;s why I cited your &#8220;lack of knowledge.&#8221;  I suppose I could have said &#8220;ignorance,&#8221; but &#8220;ignorance&#8221; carries a negative connotation, and I didn&#8217;t intend one.</p>
<p>Now, however, your last post demonstrates that it&#8217;s not ignorance, but a knowing commitment to attacking rhetorically rules you cannot defeat in practice and which have withstood the test of time.  What is &#8220;conservative&#8221; about that attitude is a mystery to me; one could argue that it&#8217;s nihlism at its worst, or perhaps just the application of situational ethics.  &#8216;Fact is, the same rules that prohibit Members of official committees from endorsing/aiding non-Republicans (Democrats, Greens, Independents) like Beauchamp are the same rules which prohibit me, as a member of the PWC Committee, from endorsing a post-nomination opponent of Maureen Caddigan or Marty Nohe, our well-known differences to the contrary notwithstanding.  The choice of Beauchamp&#8217;s endorsees who are Members of the County Committee is stark, but simple.  It is not a choice faced by those who want to call themselves &#8220;Republicans,&#8221; but who are not members of the County Committee, a fact I freely concede.</p>
<p>Leadership demands a higher standard, and membership in official RPV committees is a leadership role which places the demand that members be willing, upon request in open meeting, to state their intention to support all Republican nominees in the ensuing election.  This is not a requirement which is contrary to the notion that &#8220;There are many of us conservatives that generally vote republican and do not join the &#8216;official&#8217; Republican Committee of Virginia.&#8221;  It is separate and apart from those who wish to take a leadership role in Party affairs by accepting Committee office and those who do on, some (like you, apparently) wishing to reserve unto themselves the freedom to support candidates other than Republicans.</p>
<p>But please do not try to camouflage your desire to reject unilaterally and at your own discretion the considered wisdom of RPV or its units by citing your contempt for me or Kopko and those who supported him over Brian Murphy.  That is simply a rationalization of a narcissism which is contrary to a party&#8217;s selection of its leaders, and the effective and efficient management of party affairs.  Any party&#8217;s affairs.</p>
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		<title>By: CONVA</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/28/beauchamp-goes-independent/#comment-10206</link>
		<dc:creator>CONVA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 02:59:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/28/beauchamp-goes-independent/#comment-10206</guid>
		<description>WE are so lucky to have an expert like JY keeping us all on the right track.  Maybe that is why the Pot News canned him.  There are many of us conservatives that generally vote republican and do not join the "official" Republican Committee of Virginia because of it being populated by folks like Jim Young and Kopko's Keystone Kops.  The issue is that Lucy made a decision to go independent and she will do better than fighting the so called local republican brain bust.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WE are so lucky to have an expert like JY keeping us all on the right track.  Maybe that is why the Pot News canned him.  There are many of us conservatives that generally vote republican and do not join the &#8220;official&#8221; Republican Committee of Virginia because of it being populated by folks like Jim Young and Kopko&#8217;s Keystone Kops.  The issue is that Lucy made a decision to go independent and she will do better than fighting the so called local republican brain bust.</p>
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		<title>By: James Young</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/28/beauchamp-goes-independent/#comment-10200</link>
		<dc:creator>James Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 01:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/28/beauchamp-goes-independent/#comment-10200</guid>
		<description>I was speaking, CONVA, of those Republicans who are members of an official committee of the Republican Party of Virginia, who are required, upon request in open meeting, to state their intention to support all Republican nominees in the ensuing election.  The same obligation is imposed upon participants in Party nominating conventions and primaries, by the way.  And, of course, unit committees are the officlal governing bodies of the Party in their jurisdictions, so it's hardly "all about the money."  Your assertion simply demonstrates your lack of knowledge to speak with any authority on the issue.

Of course, individuals may and will call themselves whatever they want, so doubtless, there are many who vote for Democrats who call themselves "Republicans" for political advantage.  For that matter, there are scores in Congress who call themselves "Democrats" but are, in point of fact, socialists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was speaking, CONVA, of those Republicans who are members of an official committee of the Republican Party of Virginia, who are required, upon request in open meeting, to state their intention to support all Republican nominees in the ensuing election.  The same obligation is imposed upon participants in Party nominating conventions and primaries, by the way.  And, of course, unit committees are the officlal governing bodies of the Party in their jurisdictions, so it&#8217;s hardly &#8220;all about the money.&#8221;  Your assertion simply demonstrates your lack of knowledge to speak with any authority on the issue.</p>
<p>Of course, individuals may and will call themselves whatever they want, so doubtless, there are many who vote for Democrats who call themselves &#8220;Republicans&#8221; for political advantage.  For that matter, there are scores in Congress who call themselves &#8220;Democrats&#8221; but are, in point of fact, socialists.</p>
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		<title>By: Batson D. Belfrey</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/28/beauchamp-goes-independent/#comment-10192</link>
		<dc:creator>Batson D. Belfrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 20:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/28/beauchamp-goes-independent/#comment-10192</guid>
		<description>"After all, we do have a Honor Code"

Would that be a Jedi's code?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;After all, we do have a Honor Code&#8221;</p>
<p>Would that be a Jedi&#8217;s code?</p>
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		<title>By: CONVA</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/28/beauchamp-goes-independent/#comment-10188</link>
		<dc:creator>CONVA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 20:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/28/beauchamp-goes-independent/#comment-10188</guid>
		<description>James 29 April...11:40  resign from the GOP or Lucy's campaign?  Many republicans will vote for Lucy and not drop out of the "GOP".  They may well resign from the Kopko Keystone Kops.  What are the benefits of belonging to a committee?  Registered voters can participate in conventions or primaries without belonging to a committee.  One can support whom ever he/she chooses without belonging to any committee.  All a committee membership does is allow one to pay dues.  Any committee will solicit every and all to attend their functions, after all, it's all about the money isn't it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James 29 April&#8230;11:40  resign from the GOP or Lucy&#8217;s campaign?  Many republicans will vote for Lucy and not drop out of the &#8220;GOP&#8221;.  They may well resign from the Kopko Keystone Kops.  What are the benefits of belonging to a committee?  Registered voters can participate in conventions or primaries without belonging to a committee.  One can support whom ever he/she chooses without belonging to any committee.  All a committee membership does is allow one to pay dues.  Any committee will solicit every and all to attend their functions, after all, it&#8217;s all about the money isn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: Batson D. Belfrey</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/28/beauchamp-goes-independent/#comment-10179</link>
		<dc:creator>Batson D. Belfrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/28/beauchamp-goes-independent/#comment-10179</guid>
		<description>Better go back to the old alum list and take another crack at it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Better go back to the old alum list and take another crack at it.</p>
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		<title>By: Batson D. Belfrey</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/28/beauchamp-goes-independent/#comment-10177</link>
		<dc:creator>Batson D. Belfrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/28/beauchamp-goes-independent/#comment-10177</guid>
		<description>Wrong James. I did graduate. Come down to the office and I'll show you my diploma.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wrong James. I did graduate. Come down to the office and I&#8217;ll show you my diploma.</p>
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		<title>By: James Young</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/28/beauchamp-goes-independent/#comment-10174</link>
		<dc:creator>James Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/28/beauchamp-goes-independent/#comment-10174</guid>
		<description>Wow, "Batson" (or would that be Steve?), you really have an unhealthy fixation on what you believe to be my sex life... er, "dating habits," from more than twenty years ago!  I can assure you that they were not nearly so interesting as your continued attention suggests they were.  And certainly not so interesting as to command the attention of one not involved in them.

And BTW, whatever you say about Gill or Kopko, the simple fact is that you lie every time you post here, and hide your identity.  It is therefore little wonder that you didn't graduate from H-SC.  After all, we do have a Honor Code.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, &#8220;Batson&#8221; (or would that be Steve?), you really have an unhealthy fixation on what you believe to be my sex life&#8230; er, &#8220;dating habits,&#8221; from more than twenty years ago!  I can assure you that they were not nearly so interesting as your continued attention suggests they were.  And certainly not so interesting as to command the attention of one not involved in them.</p>
<p>And BTW, whatever you say about Gill or Kopko, the simple fact is that you lie every time you post here, and hide your identity.  It is therefore little wonder that you didn&#8217;t graduate from H-SC.  After all, we do have a Honor Code.</p>
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		<title>By: Batson D. Belfrey</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/28/beauchamp-goes-independent/#comment-10168</link>
		<dc:creator>Batson D. Belfrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:56:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/28/beauchamp-goes-independent/#comment-10168</guid>
		<description>"I don’t have even three seconds to spare on actually getting your name by looking through alumni materials,"

What, you won't use the force?

"I merely find you to be a tiresome, embittered, frustrated boor." 

Aw, Lord Vader, the feeling is quite mutual.

"Why get in the mud with a swine?"

Now let's not get into a discussion about your student dating habits, or your proclivity to use your nose a way to kill time. I'd rather keep it to your misson to defend the questionable actions of Gill and Kopko. You seem ready to roll around and get dirty with these two.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I don’t have even three seconds to spare on actually getting your name by looking through alumni materials,&#8221;</p>
<p>What, you won&#8217;t use the force?</p>
<p>&#8220;I merely find you to be a tiresome, embittered, frustrated boor.&#8221; </p>
<p>Aw, Lord Vader, the feeling is quite mutual.</p>
<p>&#8220;Why get in the mud with a swine?&#8221;</p>
<p>Now let&#8217;s not get into a discussion about your student dating habits, or your proclivity to use your nose a way to kill time. I&#8217;d rather keep it to your misson to defend the questionable actions of Gill and Kopko. You seem ready to roll around and get dirty with these two.</p>
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		<title>By: James Young</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/28/beauchamp-goes-independent/#comment-10164</link>
		<dc:creator>James Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/28/beauchamp-goes-independent/#comment-10164</guid>
		<description>Well, "Batson," put simply, I think I know where you work.  However, since you are such a pimple on a flea (I might even be wrong), and I don't have even three seconds to spare on actually getting your name by looking through alumni materials, I simply can't be bothered.  Why expend such effort to expose an obviously pathetic forty-year-old man?  Besides, if someone were to actually put your name on your posts, a coward like you would probably drop dead of apoplexy.

Your insults are tiresome.  You celebrate Greg's banning of me because I speak truth, yet you feel free to fire your childish broadsides, and belittle me when I suggest that --- if Greg were applying an objective, rather than self-serving, standard --- you would have been gone long ago.  Perhaps he finds you entertaining.  I merely find you to be a tiresome, embittered, frustrated boor.

Why get in the mud with a swine?  You only get dirty, and the swine likes it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, &#8220;Batson,&#8221; put simply, I think I know where you work.  However, since you are such a pimple on a flea (I might even be wrong), and I don&#8217;t have even three seconds to spare on actually getting your name by looking through alumni materials, I simply can&#8217;t be bothered.  Why expend such effort to expose an obviously pathetic forty-year-old man?  Besides, if someone were to actually put your name on your posts, a coward like you would probably drop dead of apoplexy.</p>
<p>Your insults are tiresome.  You celebrate Greg&#8217;s banning of me because I speak truth, yet you feel free to fire your childish broadsides, and belittle me when I suggest that &#8212; if Greg were applying an objective, rather than self-serving, standard &#8212; you would have been gone long ago.  Perhaps he finds you entertaining.  I merely find you to be a tiresome, embittered, frustrated boor.</p>
<p>Why get in the mud with a swine?  You only get dirty, and the swine likes it.</p>
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		<title>By: Batson D. Belfrey</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/28/beauchamp-goes-independent/#comment-10156</link>
		<dc:creator>Batson D. Belfrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/28/beauchamp-goes-independent/#comment-10156</guid>
		<description>"He likes anonymity, after all, from which to cast his attacks. How about John Doe’s brother, Dil? Certainly fits."

He He! That's great! I think my nickname for you is better, and we both know why! Am I really anonymous? You seem to think I am employed by the government. Think real hard Darth. Use the force. You must know who I am by know.

As to whether or not I have attended a PWC event, I guess you would know, considering you know who I am.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;He likes anonymity, after all, from which to cast his attacks. How about John Doe’s brother, Dil? Certainly fits.&#8221;</p>
<p>He He! That&#8217;s great! I think my nickname for you is better, and we both know why! Am I really anonymous? You seem to think I am employed by the government. Think real hard Darth. Use the force. You must know who I am by know.</p>
<p>As to whether or not I have attended a PWC event, I guess you would know, considering you know who I am.</p>
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		<title>By: James Young</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/28/beauchamp-goes-independent/#comment-10153</link>
		<dc:creator>James Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/28/beauchamp-goes-independent/#comment-10153</guid>
		<description>How would "Batson" know, pray tell?  His face has never darkened the door of a PWC event, so far as we know.  If he had, would he be missed if he were gone?

Since he likes nicknames so well, perhaps we can find a more appropriate one for him.  He likes anonymity, after all, from which to cast his attacks.  How about John Doe's brother, Dil?  Certainly fits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How would &#8220;Batson&#8221; know, pray tell?  His face has never darkened the door of a PWC event, so far as we know.  If he had, would he be missed if he were gone?</p>
<p>Since he likes nicknames so well, perhaps we can find a more appropriate one for him.  He likes anonymity, after all, from which to cast his attacks.  How about John Doe&#8217;s brother, Dil?  Certainly fits.</p>
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		<title>By: Batson D. Belfrey</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/28/beauchamp-goes-independent/#comment-10151</link>
		<dc:creator>Batson D. Belfrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:20:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/28/beauchamp-goes-independent/#comment-10151</guid>
		<description>Just further proof that Kopko needs to go. I am not saying that he intentionally tried to screw over Lucy. It is his laughable leadership skills that has brought the PWCGOP continued bad press. I wonder how many more members will quit over this. At this rate, the PWCGOP will consist of Kopko, Gill, Darth Vader, Charles Baggins, Denny and the Saurez twins, before November. I am sure they would be happy if it were so,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just further proof that Kopko needs to go. I am not saying that he intentionally tried to screw over Lucy. It is his laughable leadership skills that has brought the PWCGOP continued bad press. I wonder how many more members will quit over this. At this rate, the PWCGOP will consist of Kopko, Gill, Darth Vader, Charles Baggins, Denny and the Saurez twins, before November. I am sure they would be happy if it were so,</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/28/beauchamp-goes-independent/#comment-10139</link>
		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:15:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/28/beauchamp-goes-independent/#comment-10139</guid>
		<description>Is it "beneath him" if it is true?  Suppose it is true that Kopko acted in such a way to benefit McQuigg and harm Lucy - after all there are accusations on this very website that he may have done that in regard to the Gill/Lucas contest, so why would it be so farfetched that he may have done it in this instance as well?

Should Beefelt resign from a party and principles he supports because there is/may be corrupt leadership in that party?

I think it is interesting that Beefelt says this:
"But somehow [they will claim] that it Lucy’s fault because she didn’t call the Chairman to find out what they weren’t telling her she had to do."

And, then as predicted, in yesterday's Washington Post, McQuigg lays the blame for the missed communication at Lucy's feet because she didn't "reach out" to Kopko.  Exactly how was Lucy supposed to know that she was supposed to "reach out" - psychic powers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it &#8220;beneath him&#8221; if it is true?  Suppose it is true that Kopko acted in such a way to benefit McQuigg and harm Lucy - after all there are accusations on this very website that he may have done that in regard to the Gill/Lucas contest, so why would it be so farfetched that he may have done it in this instance as well?</p>
<p>Should Beefelt resign from a party and principles he supports because there is/may be corrupt leadership in that party?</p>
<p>I think it is interesting that Beefelt says this:<br />
&#8220;But somehow [they will claim] that it Lucy’s fault because she didn’t call the Chairman to find out what they weren’t telling her she had to do.&#8221;</p>
<p>And, then as predicted, in yesterday&#8217;s Washington Post, McQuigg lays the blame for the missed communication at Lucy&#8217;s feet because she didn&#8217;t &#8220;reach out&#8221; to Kopko.  Exactly how was Lucy supposed to know that she was supposed to &#8220;reach out&#8221; - psychic powers?</p>
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		<title>By: James Young</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/28/beauchamp-goes-independent/#comment-10128</link>
		<dc:creator>James Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 03:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/28/beauchamp-goes-independent/#comment-10128</guid>
		<description>Lucy has actually won THREE countywide elections (1995, 1999, and 2003).  As for Lyle's release, this is beneath him.  I am disappointed, since I respect Lyle.

The question that goes to Lyle (and other Republicans listed on Lucy's endorsement list) is whether they will resign from the GOP, or from Lucy's campaign.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lucy has actually won THREE countywide elections (1995, 1999, and 2003).  As for Lyle&#8217;s release, this is beneath him.  I am disappointed, since I respect Lyle.</p>
<p>The question that goes to Lyle (and other Republicans listed on Lucy&#8217;s endorsement list) is whether they will resign from the GOP, or from Lucy&#8217;s campaign.</p>
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		<title>By: charles</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/28/beauchamp-goes-independent/#comment-10127</link>
		<dc:creator>charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 03:31:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/04/28/beauchamp-goes-independent/#comment-10127</guid>
		<description>So far as I understand, not having seen the actual e-mails, and simply heard the story from several sources, The call was re-issued with no need for candidates OR delegates to re-file.

Then, Tom sent an e-mail to both CANDIDATES.  That e-mail was interpreted as being a request for the candidate to re-file, at least for Lucy.  It was e-mailed to both candidates, but Lucy didn't receive it.  Tom, realising he hadn't heard from Lucy, tried to call her to find out what was happening.

We don't have any other e-mails, and there is some question as to how many contacts were made after that evening, but the result was that Lucy did not have to re-file, and was a candidate for the convention.  

I had heard some time the previous week that there was some question as to whether Lucy was still going to participate.  I think that was part of the confusion, as my guess is that Tom thought Lucy was looking for an excuse to drop out and run as an independent, and thought that was why she hadn't responded.  There were rumors that her delegate collection was not going well anyway.

I never spoke with Tom about this, I meant to send him an e-mail and forgot.  There was never a question about delegates, and since the call did not mention re-filing as a candidate I believe there was never any question about that either, whatever Tom put in his e-mail.  

While Tom and I do not have a personal relationship, he has been good about answering my e-mails when I question what he is doing.  I would expect he'd be pretty quick to respond to any civil e-mail query.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So far as I understand, not having seen the actual e-mails, and simply heard the story from several sources, The call was re-issued with no need for candidates OR delegates to re-file.</p>
<p>Then, Tom sent an e-mail to both CANDIDATES.  That e-mail was interpreted as being a request for the candidate to re-file, at least for Lucy.  It was e-mailed to both candidates, but Lucy didn&#8217;t receive it.  Tom, realising he hadn&#8217;t heard from Lucy, tried to call her to find out what was happening.</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t have any other e-mails, and there is some question as to how many contacts were made after that evening, but the result was that Lucy did not have to re-file, and was a candidate for the convention.  </p>
<p>I had heard some time the previous week that there was some question as to whether Lucy was still going to participate.  I think that was part of the confusion, as my guess is that Tom thought Lucy was looking for an excuse to drop out and run as an independent, and thought that was why she hadn&#8217;t responded.  There were rumors that her delegate collection was not going well anyway.</p>
<p>I never spoke with Tom about this, I meant to send him an e-mail and forgot.  There was never a question about delegates, and since the call did not mention re-filing as a candidate I believe there was never any question about that either, whatever Tom put in his e-mail.  </p>
<p>While Tom and I do not have a personal relationship, he has been good about answering my e-mails when I question what he is doing.  I would expect he&#8217;d be pretty quick to respond to any civil e-mail query.</p>
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