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	<title>Comments on: Brentsville&#8217;s Trailer Proposal Draws Fire</title>
	<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/05/22/brentsvilles-trailer-proposal-draws-fire/</link>
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		<title>By: Novanative</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/05/22/brentsvilles-trailer-proposal-draws-fire/#comment-11889</link>
		<dc:creator>Novanative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 04:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/05/22/brentsvilles-trailer-proposal-draws-fire/#comment-11889</guid>
		<description>I laugh at the inaccuracies of you argument. First of all the lunch shifts do not end at 1:30, hell man the school day is over at 1:50 pm, instead the y end at 12:17pm, just an hour and change before your stated time. Next, illegal immigrants are definitely not a problem at "good ol Brentsville" while the demographics have changed considerably in the past few years there are fewer illegals T BDHS than anywhere in the county. If there are any illegals, it is because the local yokels are allowing the migrants to live inn the district while they work the few remaining farms. Those S.O.B.s should be fined and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. One might also wish to check the employmet records of Wise Guys, Kettle Run and Wind Sod farms etc...as prevoiusly stated the illegals will only stay where the jobs are available. Most of the Hispanic, and minority population at BDHS are of the transplanted Fairfax (Centerville) and Loudoun ilk.

Trailers are a viable option because the school system has failed to keep up with construction of classrooms, mainly because the County Planning Commission will approve any and all housing developments regardless of the burdens on the school system. Get rid of these jerks (Burgess et al) on the Commission and you might see results. As for toilets for girls, you sir sound like a simpering fool who jusat wants to bitch about a situation that has noe asy remedy. I do know an esy solution..send you kid to Stonewall or Gar-Field and thank the Lord Jesus (is that pronounce Hey-zues?) when they come home every day.

Basically you sound like a whiny a$$ed parent who didn't get his way!!!!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I laugh at the inaccuracies of you argument. First of all the lunch shifts do not end at 1:30, hell man the school day is over at 1:50 pm, instead the y end at 12:17pm, just an hour and change before your stated time. Next, illegal immigrants are definitely not a problem at &#8220;good ol Brentsville&#8221; while the demographics have changed considerably in the past few years there are fewer illegals T BDHS than anywhere in the county. If there are any illegals, it is because the local yokels are allowing the migrants to live inn the district while they work the few remaining farms. Those S.O.B.s should be fined and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. One might also wish to check the employmet records of Wise Guys, Kettle Run and Wind Sod farms etc&#8230;as prevoiusly stated the illegals will only stay where the jobs are available. Most of the Hispanic, and minority population at BDHS are of the transplanted Fairfax (Centerville) and Loudoun ilk.</p>
<p>Trailers are a viable option because the school system has failed to keep up with construction of classrooms, mainly because the County Planning Commission will approve any and all housing developments regardless of the burdens on the school system. Get rid of these jerks (Burgess et al) on the Commission and you might see results. As for toilets for girls, you sir sound like a simpering fool who jusat wants to bitch about a situation that has noe asy remedy. I do know an esy solution..send you kid to Stonewall or Gar-Field and thank the Lord Jesus (is that pronounce Hey-zues?) when they come home every day.</p>
<p>Basically you sound like a whiny a$$ed parent who didn&#8217;t get his way!!!!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Martin (Turn PW Blue)</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/05/22/brentsvilles-trailer-proposal-draws-fire/#comment-11701</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Martin (Turn PW Blue)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 13:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/05/22/brentsvilles-trailer-proposal-draws-fire/#comment-11701</guid>
		<description>I think the point the School Board is trying to make regarding Brentsville is that it's a bit late in the game for the Planning Commission (which bears at least a portion of the responsibility for this mess) to say no trailers (especially since there is little to be done budgetarily to address the problem at this stage).  While Lucy Beauchamps may be using some scare tactics (or the concerned parent quoted may be engaging in some hyperbole), the sad reality is that Brentsville High School is not big enough.  Here are the options:  (a) put in six more trailers and deal with the mess of scheduling lunches and finding toilets (and, having vistied to Brentsville HS, I find it very difficult to believe there are only 15 toilets for 800 girls) or (b) start putting students in the Brentsville District on busses and send them to Battlefield High, Stonewall, and other high schools in the area or (c) a combination of both where the number of trailers added can be supported by the school's infrastructure and the "left over" students are sent to other schools.

Using the "illegals are filling our schools" argument is simply a cop out.  Since hard numbers are not available to support either side of the argument, it's impossible to prove one way or another that the bump in students is simply due to illegal immigration.  In fact, the "hard facts" available actually contradict that argument.  Over 50% of the students enrolled in ESOL in PWC schools were born in the United States (Constitutionally making them full American citizens).  Even without the "illegals" in the school, we would still be facing a problem.  The amount of space for teaching our children has not come anywhere near to keeping pace with the growth that has been allowed in the area.  Who is moving into those houses along Linton Hall?  Young families.  Who is moving in to Dominion Valley?  Young families.  Like it or not, the Planning Commission needs to step up and take some responsibility (along with the BOCS and School Board) for inadequate planning.  The BOCS has to get off this "hold the line on all taxes" so we can get $20 a year back on our property tax while our children are educated in overcrowded schools and new schools that would have provided relief are delayed over and over again (Kettle Run High School which would relieve the burden at Brentsville has been delayed another year).  Let's also keep in mind that our ability to build schools depends on our ability to incur debt and maintain a good bond rating.  Many of the current school construction delays are not because the funds aren't available within the school system's budget but rather because the current debt ceiling (which is based on a percentage of the total budget) won't allow it.

I really don't want to come across as an apologist for the School Board as I really do question some of the decisions and choices they've made.  I have no love lost for Lucy Beauchamps or Milt Johns.  But there are times that political dogma needs to be set aside for common sense.  The quip about Beauchamps (and the School Board by extension) engaging in "senseless turf battles" is way off.  The standing agreement that the schools get 56.75% of the county budget without any negotiation or question on either side puts the school system at the mercy of the whims of the BOCS.  As a result, the school's budget is not set by true budget priority, but reather is set on the whims of the BOCS (whose members are paid considerably more than School Board reps even though the School Board is responsible for a much bigger budget and managing a much larger bureaucracy).  Decisions outside the control of the School Board this year and in the past can't be laid completely at the feet of the School Board (which still has a fair burden of shame to carry).  The School Board didn't give Heritage Hunt a pass on paying the full proffer amount per unit that should have been paid.  The School Board didn't decide to let conservative anti-tax dogma blind them to true and pressing needs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the point the School Board is trying to make regarding Brentsville is that it&#8217;s a bit late in the game for the Planning Commission (which bears at least a portion of the responsibility for this mess) to say no trailers (especially since there is little to be done budgetarily to address the problem at this stage).  While Lucy Beauchamps may be using some scare tactics (or the concerned parent quoted may be engaging in some hyperbole), the sad reality is that Brentsville High School is not big enough.  Here are the options:  (a) put in six more trailers and deal with the mess of scheduling lunches and finding toilets (and, having vistied to Brentsville HS, I find it very difficult to believe there are only 15 toilets for 800 girls) or (b) start putting students in the Brentsville District on busses and send them to Battlefield High, Stonewall, and other high schools in the area or (c) a combination of both where the number of trailers added can be supported by the school&#8217;s infrastructure and the &#8220;left over&#8221; students are sent to other schools.</p>
<p>Using the &#8220;illegals are filling our schools&#8221; argument is simply a cop out.  Since hard numbers are not available to support either side of the argument, it&#8217;s impossible to prove one way or another that the bump in students is simply due to illegal immigration.  In fact, the &#8220;hard facts&#8221; available actually contradict that argument.  Over 50% of the students enrolled in ESOL in PWC schools were born in the United States (Constitutionally making them full American citizens).  Even without the &#8220;illegals&#8221; in the school, we would still be facing a problem.  The amount of space for teaching our children has not come anywhere near to keeping pace with the growth that has been allowed in the area.  Who is moving into those houses along Linton Hall?  Young families.  Who is moving in to Dominion Valley?  Young families.  Like it or not, the Planning Commission needs to step up and take some responsibility (along with the BOCS and School Board) for inadequate planning.  The BOCS has to get off this &#8220;hold the line on all taxes&#8221; so we can get $20 a year back on our property tax while our children are educated in overcrowded schools and new schools that would have provided relief are delayed over and over again (Kettle Run High School which would relieve the burden at Brentsville has been delayed another year).  Let&#8217;s also keep in mind that our ability to build schools depends on our ability to incur debt and maintain a good bond rating.  Many of the current school construction delays are not because the funds aren&#8217;t available within the school system&#8217;s budget but rather because the current debt ceiling (which is based on a percentage of the total budget) won&#8217;t allow it.</p>
<p>I really don&#8217;t want to come across as an apologist for the School Board as I really do question some of the decisions and choices they&#8217;ve made.  I have no love lost for Lucy Beauchamps or Milt Johns.  But there are times that political dogma needs to be set aside for common sense.  The quip about Beauchamps (and the School Board by extension) engaging in &#8220;senseless turf battles&#8221; is way off.  The standing agreement that the schools get 56.75% of the county budget without any negotiation or question on either side puts the school system at the mercy of the whims of the BOCS.  As a result, the school&#8217;s budget is not set by true budget priority, but reather is set on the whims of the BOCS (whose members are paid considerably more than School Board reps even though the School Board is responsible for a much bigger budget and managing a much larger bureaucracy).  Decisions outside the control of the School Board this year and in the past can&#8217;t be laid completely at the feet of the School Board (which still has a fair burden of shame to carry).  The School Board didn&#8217;t give Heritage Hunt a pass on paying the full proffer amount per unit that should have been paid.  The School Board didn&#8217;t decide to let conservative anti-tax dogma blind them to true and pressing needs.</p>
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		<title>By: Lyle</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/05/22/brentsvilles-trailer-proposal-draws-fire/#comment-11697</link>
		<dc:creator>Lyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 12:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/05/22/brentsvilles-trailer-proposal-draws-fire/#comment-11697</guid>
		<description>Mom makes some very good points about where the overcrowding is coming from, but it is important to note that rezonings she refers to are even older than she indicates.  Linton Hall Road was rezoned for housing pre-1990. In fact, the rezoning of Waverly (which became Disney which became Dominion Valley) was a major campaign issue in 1991.  This was before any of the supervisors mentioned joined the Board.

Worst of all, the proffers were nothing like they are today.  The average school proffer was 10% of the cost of building the school capacity.  To put it in round numbers, 15,000 houses at a shortfall of $18,000 each or $270,000,000 that the current taxpayers have to come up with to make room for the new folks (and that's just schools).  So now we are bumping up against the County's debt limit while the schools are packed.

It's true there was no planning, but it wasn't today's planners.

That said, I have no idea how to pack 1,580 students in Brentsville.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mom makes some very good points about where the overcrowding is coming from, but it is important to note that rezonings she refers to are even older than she indicates.  Linton Hall Road was rezoned for housing pre-1990. In fact, the rezoning of Waverly (which became Disney which became Dominion Valley) was a major campaign issue in 1991.  This was before any of the supervisors mentioned joined the Board.</p>
<p>Worst of all, the proffers were nothing like they are today.  The average school proffer was 10% of the cost of building the school capacity.  To put it in round numbers, 15,000 houses at a shortfall of $18,000 each or $270,000,000 that the current taxpayers have to come up with to make room for the new folks (and that&#8217;s just schools).  So now we are bumping up against the County&#8217;s debt limit while the schools are packed.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s true there was no planning, but it wasn&#8217;t today&#8217;s planners.</p>
<p>That said, I have no idea how to pack 1,580 students in Brentsville.</p>
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		<title>By: park'd</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/05/22/brentsvilles-trailer-proposal-draws-fire/#comment-11655</link>
		<dc:creator>park'd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 20:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/05/22/brentsvilles-trailer-proposal-draws-fire/#comment-11655</guid>
		<description>I have a quick easy solution to all of this: round up all the illegals, children and all, and send them back to Mexico or Central America where they came from. Once they are back home then they can apply for citizenship the legal way. See how easy that was?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a quick easy solution to all of this: round up all the illegals, children and all, and send them back to Mexico or Central America where they came from. Once they are back home then they can apply for citizenship the legal way. See how easy that was?</p>
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		<title>By: charles</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/05/22/brentsvilles-trailer-proposal-draws-fire/#comment-11633</link>
		<dc:creator>charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 18:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/05/22/brentsvilles-trailer-proposal-draws-fire/#comment-11633</guid>
		<description>But the new building should be easy to find, right, it's certainly too large and elaborate to hide....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But the new building should be easy to find, right, it&#8217;s certainly too large and elaborate to hide&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: mom</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/05/22/brentsvilles-trailer-proposal-draws-fire/#comment-11627</link>
		<dc:creator>mom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 17:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/05/22/brentsvilles-trailer-proposal-draws-fire/#comment-11627</guid>
		<description>You've almost got it right, in this instance however, it is not principally a matter of illegal immigrants but rather one of poor or some might suggest absent planning, particularly in the Linton Hall corridor.  There's plenty of blame to go around and the Planning Office that has reccomended the approval of explosive rezoning applications and editions of the BOCS that have approved them, bear their share of the blame.  The lion's share however, falls on the School Board, Superintendant and their Planning Office which has a miserable record on site acquisition, at least acquisitions that they have to pay for.  As result, they frequently force the BOCS into accepting additional rezonings in exchange for school sites that should have been acquired previously.  

It helps create a vicious of cycle of growth begetting growth in an effort to address inadequate infrastructure.  It also has a snowball effect as the site acquisition is arguably the cheapest component when one considers construction, equipment and staffing costs, the latter or which are perpetual.  A cursory review of the Brentsville boundaries seems to indicate that the problem here is the massive growth in the Linton Hall corridor particularly in starter or next tier housing, as the neighborhoods start to mature the pressure on the high schools increases as the children begin to age.  I don't see anything to suggest that the demographics support the premise that illegals are largely responsible for the overcrowding, like anything else involving infrastructure in the western end of the county, it all comes down to poor or absent planning.  For that you can thank the Planning Office, School Board and particularly, Connaughton, Caddigan, Wilbourn and especially Wally.

With regard to your comments about Lucy, I couldn't agree more, the last thing she wants is public input that runs counter to her position.  As a result she runs roughshod over the School Board and citizens who wish to speak, going so far as to strictly limit access during citizens time and public hearings, limitations that might not be in the spirit of the governing statutes.  I hope no one believes that the location of the current School Board building is poorly marked by accident.  I know more than a few who have been unable to find it on the night of a meeting even when given a set of (incorrect) directions by the Schools.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ve almost got it right, in this instance however, it is not principally a matter of illegal immigrants but rather one of poor or some might suggest absent planning, particularly in the Linton Hall corridor.  There&#8217;s plenty of blame to go around and the Planning Office that has reccomended the approval of explosive rezoning applications and editions of the BOCS that have approved them, bear their share of the blame.  The lion&#8217;s share however, falls on the School Board, Superintendant and their Planning Office which has a miserable record on site acquisition, at least acquisitions that they have to pay for.  As result, they frequently force the BOCS into accepting additional rezonings in exchange for school sites that should have been acquired previously.  </p>
<p>It helps create a vicious of cycle of growth begetting growth in an effort to address inadequate infrastructure.  It also has a snowball effect as the site acquisition is arguably the cheapest component when one considers construction, equipment and staffing costs, the latter or which are perpetual.  A cursory review of the Brentsville boundaries seems to indicate that the problem here is the massive growth in the Linton Hall corridor particularly in starter or next tier housing, as the neighborhoods start to mature the pressure on the high schools increases as the children begin to age.  I don&#8217;t see anything to suggest that the demographics support the premise that illegals are largely responsible for the overcrowding, like anything else involving infrastructure in the western end of the county, it all comes down to poor or absent planning.  For that you can thank the Planning Office, School Board and particularly, Connaughton, Caddigan, Wilbourn and especially Wally.</p>
<p>With regard to your comments about Lucy, I couldn&#8217;t agree more, the last thing she wants is public input that runs counter to her position.  As a result she runs roughshod over the School Board and citizens who wish to speak, going so far as to strictly limit access during citizens time and public hearings, limitations that might not be in the spirit of the governing statutes.  I hope no one believes that the location of the current School Board building is poorly marked by accident.  I know more than a few who have been unable to find it on the night of a meeting even when given a set of (incorrect) directions by the Schools.</p>
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