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Faisal Gill: Bad Choices
By Greg L | 24 May 2007 | 51st HOD District | 33 Comments
51st House District candidate Faisal Gill has said that the American Muslim Council, for which he was a spokesman in 2001, was a moderate group which only sought to increase the rate of participation by Muslims in the political process here in America, as well as their influence in the political debate. If that’s what the American Muslim Council actually was, and their notorious ties to now-convicted terrorists was just some strange coincidence, we probably wouldn’t be talking about the American Muslim Council and the Islamic Free Market Institute a whole lot. Behind the thin facade of public respectability the AMC fostered there clearly was something more disturbing going on. It’s quite a stretch that when members are referring to Jews as “monkeys and pigs” and shouting “Death to Israel” anyone actively working on behalf of the organization would be ignorant to what was really happening.
Three years before Faisal Gill worked for the AMC, now convicted terrorist supporter Sami Al-Arian was addressing meetings of the AMC and saying some disturbing things.
From House of Bush/House of Saud; by Craig Unger; Scribner [HC]; Copyright 2004 by Craig Unger; ISBN 0-7432-5337-X; p. 207, as quoted in For The Record #462 by Dave Emory:
“There were also [Sami] Al-Arian’s own statements. In 1998, he appeared as a guest speaker before the American Muslim Council. According to conservative author Kenneth Timmerman, Al-Arian referred to Jews as ‘monkeys and pigs’ and added, ‘Jihad is our path. Victory to Islam. Death to Israel. Revolution! Revolution! Until victory! Rolling, rolling to Jerusalem!’ That speech was part of a dossier compiled on al-Arian by federal agents who have had him under surveillance for many years because of suspected ties to terrorist organizations. In a videotape in that file, al-Arian was more explicit. When he appeared at a fund-raising event, Timmerman says, he ‘begged for $500 to kill a Jew.’
Jon Levin of National Review has this to say about the actions of Alamoudi and the AMC only several months before Faisal Gill went to work for them:
Defending Al-Arian and charging the government with bias are components of AMC’s overall rejection of U.S. counterterrorism policy. In October of 2000, AMC’s secretary and founding director, Abdurahman Alamoudi, told a cheering crowd in Lafayette Park, “I have been labeled by the media in New York to be a supporter of Hamas . . . Hear that Bill Clinton? We are all supporters of Hamas. I wish they added that I am also a supporter of Hizbollah.” And again, in a June, 2000 interview for the Arabic paper al-Zaitonah, Alamoudi said, “[AMC’s] position with regard to the peace process is well known. We are the ones who went to the White House and defended what is called Hamas.” Hamas and Hezbollah are both on the government’s list of officially designated terrorist organizations.
In a particularly outrageous effort to stymie federal terrorism investigations, AMC produced a pamphlet, “In the Case of the FBI: Know Your Rights!” In an attempt to scare law abiding Muslim Americans into silence, the handout reports that “the FBI is looking for information to use against you, your family and/or your community. The FBI has a history of harassing and harming minority and immigrant communities. Some people are spending a long time in jail because they or their friends talked to the FBI.” It comes as no surprise that Sami al-Arian’s National Coalition to Protect Political Freedom is a coauthor of the pamphlet.
Faisal tells supporters that at the time he worked for the AMC, Alamoudi didn’t seem to be actively involved. But if Alamoudi is telling newspapers that he is directing the outreach to political leaders in 2000, it’s somewhat difficult to accept that he would be uninterested in the outreach efforts to political leadership the following year when Faisal Gill is coordinating meetings between the AMC leadership and members of congress. The New York Sun reported in 2003 that now convicted terrorist Abdurahman Alamoudi really never left the American Muslim Council, but simply withdrew as it’s public face, and at that time Alamoudi was chairing the AMC’s Imam Conference, which seems rather inconsistent with the idea that Alamoudi was no longer involved in the organization. Daniel Pipes provides more detail.
Faisal Gill chose to work for the AMC in 2001. At best, that was not a good decision.
See also:
WHO IS FAISAL GILL, Michelle Malkin, June 22, 2004 (part 2, part 3)
The Faisal Gill Affair, Frank Gaffney, Frontpage Magazine, July 19th, 2004
The Faisal Gill Affair, Jihad Watch, July 19th, 2004
Faisal Gill, Cooperative Research, March 2004
Concerns About Faisal Gill, Northern Virginiastan, May 14th, 2007
The Strange Candidacy Of Faisal Gill, GoodbyeKen.com, May 28th, 2007
Faisal Gill, Political Noose, Not Larry Sabato, February 16th, 2007
Why Faisal Gill May Hurt The Virginia GOP, RedState, 2007
Pr. William GOP Consulting Gig Raises Eyebrows, Washington Post, May 4th, 2007
How secure is the Department of Homeland Security?, Salon.com, June 22, 2004
Senators Inquire on DHS Appointee, Jihad Watch, August 12, 2004
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Sounds like the AMC was advising people on their constitutional rights. Nothing wrong with that.
Some people take great offense to my exercising my 2nd Amendment Rights. Screw them.
AMC is advising people about their rights in the same way that the NRA advises its members about their rights.
I assume that if one of my colleagues at work is committing a crime, I’m supposed to know about it? I don’t get the logic.
Is there any proof that Faisal Gill knew about Amoodi’s words or actions? If so, I think that would be the smoking gun.
Otherwise this is all smoke without any fire.
Yeah there’s proof: he was the SPOKESMAN for Alamoudi!!!
Does Faisal Gill think his brother FBI agent is harassing and harming minority and muslim groups?
“”"Sounds like the AMC was advising people on their constitutional rights. Nothing wrong with that.”"”
That is simply false. The AMC was telling Moslems NOT TO TALK to the FBI. It wasn’t simply saying that you have a right to remain silent. It was saying that YOU SHOULD REMAIN SILENT.
Here is the full quote, as found in the 12/17/03 edition of the American Spectator:
“”"
If the crack research team at the FBI had looked at the AMC website in the aftermath of September 11, however, this is what it would have found under the heading, The Law Says You Don’t Have to Talk to the FBI: “The FBI is looking for information to use against you, your family and/or your community. The FBI has a history of harassing and harming minority and immigrant communities. Some people are spending a long time in jail because they or their friends talked to the FBI.…FBI agents are trained to get you to make incomplete or contradictory statements — which later can be used against you in court. It is better to say nothing.”
“”"”
It amazes me how low the English reading comprehension level is among many of Faisal’s supporters. I am certain that even after reading the above quote some Faisal Kool-Aid drinker is going to post here and, contrary to all reason and logic, insist that the American Muslim Council merely told Moslems that they could be silent if they wanted to. NO THEY DIDN”T! The AMC told Moslems that they should be silent: “It is better to say nothing.”
I left out the URL for the 12/17/07 American Spectator article about Alamoudi and Gill’s American Muslim Council, which was entitled “Eyes Wide Shut.” An apt metaphor to describe some of Faisal’s Kool-Aid drinkers.
http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=5916
However, some of Faisal’s acolytes like Kopko, Gill, Bolling and Lingamfelter know more than they let on. They have received cash from Gill, $13,750 in the case of Bolling.
Bolling et al are selling out Virginians and our safety for trifling amounts. A $13,750 contribution from Gill to Bolling would not even tempt an honest person.
“”"Is there any proof that Faisal Gill knew about Amoodi’s words or actions? If so, I think that would be the smoking gun.”"”
You asked for proof that Faisal Gill knew about Alamoudi’s words. Here is your smoking gun.
“”"On October 28, 2000, Alamoudi boldly addressed a cheering crowd in Lafayette Park, near the White House: “I have been labeled by the media in New York to be a supporter of Hamas.… Anybody support Hamas here? (Cheers) Hear that, Bill Clinton? We are all supporters of Hamas. I wish they added that I am also a supporter of Hezballah.…I want you to send a message. It’s an occupation, stupid….Hamas is fighting an occupation. It’s a legal fight.”
When these comments were reported in the Washington Post, political contributions were returned, and Alamoudi was forced to take a back seat in the AMC.”"”
The American Spectator, ibid
http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=5916
I left out the last part of the above quote. The final paragraph should be:
“”"When these comments were reported in the Washington Post, political contributions were returned, and Alamoudi was forced to take a back seat in the AMC. By all accounts, however, he remained in control and kept a busy schedule. According to the SITE Institute, “In January 2001, Alamoudi attended and was photographed in Beirut at a terrorist summit, alongside representatives of the terrorist groups Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, Hezballah, and al-Qaeda.” “”"
The problem with Gill’s story is that it is inconsistent. When Alamoudi took a back seat he officially left the Board of the American Muslim Council. That was in late 2000.
Gill claims that Gill started work at the AMC in April 2001. Gill claims that his contacts with Alamoudi at the AMC were the result of Alamoudi being on the AMCs board.
But ALAMOUDI WAS NOT ON THE AMCs BOARD! He was running things at the AMC, but he was not on the board. So why was Faisal Gill meeting with Alamoudi?
Gill should tell us accurately what Alamoudi’s role was at the AMC.
JM, you are obsessed with Faisal Gill. It seems like the only purpose of your life is to go after Faisal and his supporters. I think you need to check into a mental rehabilitation center. I have been reading your posts for a while, you are nothing but a sick individual.
Only thing you are doing here is making more and more muslims realize that they must vote for MR. Gill. Thank you.
By the way, there is no such word as “moslem”, its muslim.
Oldie,
You must not be very old. Or you didn’t pay attention in school. Muslim is actually a fairly recent spelling in the US.
And I think that the American MOSLEM Foundation would be surprised to learn that they don’t exist according to you:
http://www.oz.net/~msarram/introduction.html
In case you’d actually like to learn something, read this:
Is it Muslim or Moslem?
When Baby Boomers were children it was Moslem. The American Heritage Dictionary (1992) noted, “Moslem is the form predominantly preferred in journalism and popular usage. Muslim is preferred by scholars and by English-speaking adherents of Islam.” No more. Now, almost everybody uses Muslim.
According to the Center for Nonproliferation Studies, “Moslem and Muslim are basically two different spellings for the same word.” But the seemingly arbitrary choice of spellings is a sensitive subject for many followers of Islam. Whereas for most English speakers, the two words are synonymous in meaning, the Arabic roots of the two words are very different. A Muslim in Arabic means “one who gives himself to God,” and is by definition, someone who adheres to Islam. By contrast, a Moslem in Arabic means “one who is evil and unjust” when the word is pronounced, as it is in English, Mozlem with a z.
For others, this spelling differentiation is merely a linguistic matter, with the two spellings a result of variation in transliteration methods. Both Moslem and Muslim are used as nouns. But some writers use Moslem when the word is employed as an adjective.
Journalists switched to Muslim from Moslem in recent years under pressure from Islamic groups. But the use of the word Moslem has not entirely ceased. Established institutions which used the older form of the name have been reluctant to change. The American Moslem Foundation is still the American Moslem Foundation (much as the NAACP is still the NAACP–the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People). The journal The Moslem World–published by the Hartford Seminary in Connecticut–is still The Moslem World.
Jonathon Mark said:
“You asked for proof that Faisal Gill knew about Alamoudi’s words. Here is your smoking gun….”
C’mon That’s not proof of anything!! The existence of a press article is no proof that Faisal Gill read that article… or heard the comments directly.
The real smoking gun would be Faisal Gill making recorded statements at that time defending or acknowledging Alamoudi’s words. Unfortunately, without that, we can’t pin this on Faisal (as much as I would like to!!)
“”"Jonathon Mark said:
‘You asked for proof that Faisal Gill knew about Alamoudi’s words. Here is your smoking gun….’
C’mon That’s not proof of anything!! The existence of a press article is no proof that Faisal Gill read that article… or heard the comments directly.”"”
I never said Gill heard Alamoudi’s comments directly. That is irrelevant.
It wasn’t one article. Alamoudi’s comments were all over the media. Hillary Clinton and George W. Bush gave back their Alamoudi contributions. Alamoudi went on 60 Minutes to explain himself.
Jm, 4:17 am:? Don’t you sleep?
I get up in the middle of the night, snack, blog, and go back to bed.
That JM is thinking about Faisal at 4:18 a.m. simply confirms his unhealthy fixation.
That James is thinking about JM at 9:30 in the morning when he is presumably at work confirms his unhealthy fixation!
When olde starts accusing others of mental illness, that is a sure sign that these issues are making headway with the voters and there might be a campaign that is worried.
Folks, Faisal is no terrorist. In the first place he is too lazy. In the second place they couldn’t rely on him to be on time. At best he is an enabler. The real question is his lack of good (or even passing) judgement.
The ONLY reason Faisal is late for anything is that he has been pulled over for a speeding ticket on his way to get Twinkies (http://www.bvbl.net/?p=781).
CONVA: You write that “Faisal is no terrorist.” Which is worse, being a terrorist who actually is the one to kill people, or the person who gives aid and comfort to them? To me, they are one in the same.
Does Faisal REALLY represent the best interests of the constituents of the 51st, or, does he represent the following (source: http://www.vpap.org):
$10,000 Khan, Saleem A (Woodbridge, VA)
$6,000 Gill, Rashid S (Alexandria, VA)
$5,000 Bashir, Junaid (Woodbridge, VA)
$5,000 Citgo - Franconi (Springfield, VA)
$5,000 Gill, Ahmad Nadeem (Martinez Branch, GA)
$5,000 Sir Inc T/A Shiney’s Sweets (Annandale, VA)
$2,000 JBS Title (Springfield, VA)
$1,000 Akhtar, Hanif M (Vienna, VA)
$1,000 Anjum, Ehsan E (Baltimore, MD)
$1,000 Gill, Naveed M (Fairfax, VA)
$1,000 Grove Dental Clinic (Falls Church, VA)
$1,000 Jaffrey, Samira (Annandale, VA)
$1,000 Janssen, Richard (Alexandria, VA)
$1,000 Lateef, Babur (Woodbridge, VA)
$1,000 Nationwide Limo Service (Alexandria, VA)
$1,000 Nova Eye Center (Winchester, VA)
$1,000 RNS Bedford Park (Bedford Park, IL)
$1,000 Shaikh, Shabbir (Alexandria, VA)
$500 A&T Heating & Air Conditioning Inc (South Riding, VA)
$500 Amerpak Inc t/a Goddard School (Waldorf, MD)
$500 JCW Co Inc (Fairfax, VA)
$500 Nationwide Funding Corp (Fairfax, VA)
$500 Rizvi, Manzar (Leesburg, VA)
$500 Tameez, Iftikharuddin (Houston, TX)
$500 Tameez, Qamarunnisa (Houston, TX)
$300 Bokhari, Adnan Sharif (Springfield, VA)
$250 Diwan, Sharfali (Houston, TX)
$250 Tyebji, Abeezar (Houston, TX)
$200 Farouk, Shahid (Gaithersburg, MD)
$200 Khwaja, Faheem (Houston, TX)
$200 Lodhi, Tariq (Fairfax Station, VA)
$200 Mohiuddin, Imran (Sugar Land, TX)
$200 Sanm & Sams Inc (Centreville, VA)
$200 Siddiqui, Assadullah (Annandale, VA)
$200 Sing, Varinder (Houston, TX)
$200 Suleman, Muhammad (tbd, VA)
What is interesting is not only who contributed money TO his campaign, but who DID NOT contribute money!!!
For all the talk about broadening the base of the party, this seems like a rather narrow base on which to proceed.
Now, looking here, I see a WHOLE lot of contributions from within Woodbridge, heck, within the 703 area code from individuals who believe that Ms. Lucas would best represent them in Richmond:
$8,500 Friends of Lucas - Julie for School Board (Dale City, VA)
$4,210 Ditch, Oliver P (Woodbridge, VA)
$1,000 Castro, Carlos A (Woodbridge, VA)
$500 Friends of Suit - Terrie (Virginia Beach, VA)
$500 Westminister at Lake Ridge (Woodbridge, VA)
$300 Covington, Betty D (Dumfries, VA)
$250 Beefelt, Lyle G (Manassas, VA)
$250 Miller, Robert Neil (Arlington, VA)
$250 Wall, Marion M (Quantico, VA)
$200 Homan, Ronald A (Dumfries, VA)
$200 Lucas, Julie C (Woodbridge, VA)
$125 Miller, Jackson H (Manassas, VA)
$100 Altman, Bryanna (Woodbridge, VA)
$100 Arnaiz, Donald R (Manassas, VA)
$100 Beyer, Mary Jane (Dumfries, VA)
$100 Cook, Anthony L (Alexandria, VA)
$100 Hill, Glendell (Gainesville, VA)
$100 Kroh, Ruby R (Woodbridge, VA)
$100 Light, John A (Springfield, VA)
$100 Revak, Joan (Woodbridge, VA)
$100 Shultz, Clete (Woodbridge, VA)
$100 Simmans, Shari (Alexandria, VA)
$100 Vanegas, Alexander I (Woodbridge, VA)
Interesting, all are either elected officials, business owners, or average, hard-working, tax paying, REGISTERED VOTERS like you and me.
Agreed, am sure that the Convention on the 2nd will be VERY interesting.
CONVA wrote: “At best he is an enabler.” Not saying you are right or wrong, but, is this someone we should trust with our vote in Richmond???
John Lighte wrote: “…Interesting, all are either elected officials, business owners, or average, hard-working, tax paying, REGISTERED VOTERS like you and me.”
So now people in the muslim community are not average, hardworking, tax paying voters???? Businesses in the muslim community can not donate money to a muslim candidate who they feel will better the community for them? Be real…people from other states have the right to want to see someone from their same ethnic background make a difference anywhere.
Get that chip off of your shoulder.
“”"So now people in the muslim community are not average, hardworking, tax paying voters????”"”
No.
However, 68 of Faisal’s would-be convention delegates are not voters. That is what this thread is about–Faisal’s 68 non-registered convention delegate wannabes.
Who even, besides you, said that the 68 wannabes are Moslem? It may be that most are not.
How do you know so much about them?
John 25 May 3:38 PM
I hope you did not take my post as a defense of the “enabler”. I would not trust Faisal to organize food for a picnic.
If the delegates are not voters, are they illegal aliens?
Well, perhaps the convention has caught the eye of ICE and we’ll find out quite dramatically. Wouldn’t that prove interesting.
So here is an interesting spin for you.
Rumor is Gill is one of the good guys who is cooperating with the US. He received death threats when working at DHS, he left shortly afterwards and his four children have been placed in a private Catholic school in Fairfax for their safety.
I predicted a story like this would emerge short of the convention.
I just saw the second Lucas mailer. It looks better than the first mailer and is more hard hitting. I wonder if a third mailer is in the works.
Read in The 20 year Plan why Gill wants to be Delegate.
1. Terminate America’s freedom of speech by replacing it with statewide and nationwide hate-crime bills.
Keith Ellison, first Muslim elected to Congress requested he take his oath on the Quran. For Muslims, the Quran is a higher calling than the Constitution of the United States.
7. Yell ”foul, out-of-context, personal interpretation, hate crime, Zionist, un- American, inaccurate interpretation of the Quran” anytime Islam is criticized or the Quran is analyzed in the public arena.
Read about The 20-year Plan. Muslims say they will control America by 2020 and are told to cry Bigot, to play on our weakness.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=33898
What does this mean? In 2020, Jews in America will face another Holocaust and Christians will either be converted to Islam or killed.
Before you vote for GILL on June 2nd, seriously think about the risk you’re taking and ask yourself, is it really worth it? Hell no!
CONVA - no, I did not…thank you