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51st District Delegate Form Issues

By Greg L | 25 May 2007 | 51st HOD District | 29 Comments

Riley has an update on the delegate filings for the 51st District convention today, and reports that Faisal Gill filed fifty duplicate delegate forms (although he submitted them in alphabetical order, I’m told) and that sixty-eight forms were submitted for persons not registered to vote. In comparison, Julie Lucas submitted two delegate forms that were duplicates. In what seems like an attempt to salvage those sixty-eight delegate forms from being disqualified under Article 1 of the party plan, Faisal’s campaign is attempting to obtain an interpretation of that section in the plan which would allow delegates to file voter registrations right up until the date of the convention.

And just how would someone be able to verify that those voter registrations would be valid? They can’t. This crazy idea would open up the nominating process to all sorts of potential problems, and hopefully the RPV will soon put a stop to this foolish notion. You’d think that when a delegate signs his form, which states that they’re eligible to vote, they wouldn’t then have to run out and try to make themselves eligible to vote after the fact. It’s too bad those forms don’t contain a statement which would make false statements legally punishable.

So much for the idea of Faisal Gill appealing to Republicans. He has to sign up as delegates a substantial number of people who haven’t even bothered to vote before, and aren’t even registered to vote? If Faisal Gill has to go to these lengths to sign up delegates, I can only imagine what else close inspection of his delegate forms would reveal.

UPDATE: Lest anyone be confused about this, the statement which applicants sign begins with this:

Qualifications for participation: All legal and qualified voters of the 51st District under the laws of the Commonwealth of Virginia…

Apparently a few readers making comments elsewhere haven’t quite figured this out.



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29 Comments

  1. Batson D. Belfrey said on 25 May 2007 at 3:14 pm:
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    50 duplicates and 68 non-registered voter forms. Another example of the total lack of attention to detail, from Faisal Gill. Instead of doing things the right way, he is now seeking to bend the rules instead, and I’ll bet that Kopko is backing this play. It looks like the $2K Gill paid Kopko was an investment indeed.

    Gill is a lazy person, who lacks judgement with regards to his personal and professional associations, and he cares little about the details. Based on his repeated traffic violations, I will even go so far as to say he doesn’t think the rules apply to him.

    I am sick of this turd, sick of his ego, sick of sloppineess, sick of his skeletons. He is a piss-poor candidate, and an embarrasment to the GOP.

    Voters of the 51st have a great candidate to vote for: Julie Lucas. Julie is right on the issues, has broad appeal to the voters, doesn’t have any skeletons that we can see, holds elected office, and can be trusted to care about the details.

  2. Jonathan Mark said on 25 May 2007 at 3:19 pm:
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    If the wannabe Gill delegate signed a statement that he was registered to vote, and that delegate knew or had reason to think that he was not, then the entire wannabe Gill delegate application was fraudulent.

    One would not be able to rely on other representations of the wannabe Gill delegate, for instance, claims that they are not a felon. As you know, felons are not eligible to vote.

    Those in charge of this decision, namely Gill employee Tom Kopko, Gill kickoff campaign event speaker McQuigg and Gill Housing Board nominater Mike May should explain how they intend to discover whether the wannabe delegates are not felons.

    Because the wannabe delegates say that they are not felons? So what? They lie!

    There will also need to be some effort made to determine whether the wannabe delegates are already registered to vote in other localities and are simply helping Faisal out.

    Another problem is that if any wannabe delegates submit documents showing that they are citizens the Convention will have to have some way to determine that the documents are legit.

    As we all know illegal aliens often carry forged documents. My dog could buy fake citizenship papers. So can anyone.

    It seems as if unless steps are taken the Gill-bought-and-paid-for June convention will go down in history as the only Republican convention in which felons and illegal aliens were encouraged to vote, with no meaningful way of stopping them.

    Kopko and McQuigg at least are persons without honor. Having already taken money from and campaigned for Faisal they have NO BUSINESS running the convention.

  3. Anonymous said on 25 May 2007 at 4:38 pm:
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    That makes this a very close race. Maybe only twenty votes apart.

  4. John Light said on 25 May 2007 at 4:45 pm:
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    It just amazes me that Faisal “Al Gore 2000″ Gill has the gall to permit this. Prior to filing, one would think that he would have his team SCOUR the forms to catch this type of stuff, ESPECIALLY since he already brings ENOUGH baggage.

    Seems to me that Gore 2.0 thinks that he can turn this into Florida…a desperate act by a desperate candidate.

  5. Batson D. Belfrey said on 25 May 2007 at 5:12 pm:
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    “That makes this a very close race. Maybe only twenty votes apart”

    Also, you must factor in the weighting of votes. Not all votes are weighted the same. Id a precint is allowed 20 delegates, and only 10 show up, each vote counts as two weighted votes. So, if Gill has 4 delegates, and Lucas six, then lucas actually has 12 votes to Gill’s eight. Stretch this out across all precincts, and this race is too-close-to-call. That’s why Gill is trying to get the rules bent. I’ll bet he is heavy in lightly-weighted precincts and light in the heavies.

  6. Anonymous said on 25 May 2007 at 5:36 pm:
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    So at what point do the Republicans launch a formal movement to have Gill step down as a candidate???

  7. Batson D. Belfrey said on 25 May 2007 at 5:39 pm:
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    “So at what point do the Republicans launch a formal movement to have Gill step down as a candidate???”

    At the convention. Sad. Gill won’t step down for the good of the party, and Kopko won’t ask him to, either.

  8. Jonathan Mark said on 25 May 2007 at 7:10 pm:
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    Apparently I have been incorrectly spelling the word “nominator.” Mike May is a Faisal Gill PWC Housing Board nominator with an “o.”

    Interestingly, one spells “nominator” with an “o” but “observer” with an “e.” This distinction messed up the voluble Jim Young, who peculiarly calls his website SkepticalObservor.

    One would think that in addition to refraining from supporting terrorists’ chief lobbyists Young would want to correct his bad spelling habits. It sets a bad example for the young ‘uns.

  9. Lars Wiechmann said on 25 May 2007 at 7:15 pm:
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    Anyone who signed a statement saying they were registered and they were in fact NOT registered, then that person’s pre-file form should be thrown out (no ifs, ands or buts about it). If this doesn’t happen then the PW Republican Party is in worse shape than most think it is already.

    I promise you, if this is not fixed by the Credentials Committee, then we will see, for the first time in our county’s history, a court challenge to a GOP nomination process — how sad that things have gotten this bad.

  10. CONVA said on 25 May 2007 at 9:32 pm:
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    Did anyone actually expect Gill, Kopko and their cabal to be forthright & honest?

  11. Loudoun Insider said on 25 May 2007 at 10:31 pm:
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    This is sounding more and more like Loudoun County all the time!

  12. James Young said on 26 May 2007 at 12:23 am:
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    “Loudmouthed Inciter” is correct. This IS sounding more and more like Loudoun County all the time!

    Time will tell as to the convention (I am by no means certain about any outcome), but we just as surely have whiners in PWC who seek to use the Internet to slime candidates with tripe in order to avoid having to talk about their tax-and-spend agenda.

  13. Anonymous said on 26 May 2007 at 1:00 am:
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    Faisal maybe more like Al Gore than we already know. Even if he is elected, I am not sure Faisal would follow the typical Republican agenda.

  14. truthDetector said on 26 May 2007 at 10:47 am:
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    Greg, you think it’s ethical to question other people when you don’t let them post to respond? Why did you ban Charles? Why did you delete all his comments?

    So greg, will you drop out of the convention, or will you today pledge to vote for Faisal Gill if he wins? That’s what you promised when you signed your convention form.

  15. Ari Stotle said on 26 May 2007 at 11:09 am:
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    It is my understanding that 60 plus Gill delegates are unable to prove their citizenship but will be allowed to vote at the convention, even if that isn’t true the convention is fixed, Kopko is a disgrace to Republicans and so is every politician associated with them. None of them will not get my vote that inlcudes , Bolling, MIKE MAY, Stewart and McQuigg.

    The lies, bullying, manipulation are deplorable and unacceptable. RPV doesn’t care because Gillespie is Karl Rove’s boy.

    GOP has become corrupt under this administration and have wasted 7 years pushing Christian vlaues as a distraction so they can turn the world upside because of greed for world power. While the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

    Why is the USA contracting to building dozen’s of Nuclear Power Plants in France and third world nations, rather than right here in America where we have qualified workers and the best security? Why aren’t the FED’s rounding up the illegals?

    Reagan’s Republican principles deserve a new party, and it’s called Independents.

    STOP GLOBILIZATION NOW–by blocking all Conservative Republican candidate until the Justice Departrment can complete a full investigation.

    McCAIN and Leiberman as Independents in 2008!!!!

    Locally support Steve Keen for Woodbridge, John Gray for Occoquan, Lucy Beauchamp for Clerk of Courts…all REPUBLICAN’s who are FED UP!

  16. Jonathan Mark said on 26 May 2007 at 11:19 am:
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    “”"will you today pledge to vote for Faisal Gill if he wins? “”"

    You are merely required to vote for the nominee. If you believe that Julie will be the nominee then you can sign it, since you intend to vote for here. The pledge doesn’t say anything about voting for Faisal Gill.

    He is not the nominee.

  17. Ralph Nadar said on 26 May 2007 at 11:31 am:
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    Gill’s is NOT a conservative REPUBLICAN. He is a FRAUD.

    He protects illegals about to be deported in his law practice and as a lobbyost works to reform immigration, that is why he was endorsed by the VMPAC.

    Gill will do nothing more for PWC then help turn us BLUE.

    Greg make a note……I have a preminition that a headline will appear on BVBL in NOVEMBER that says,

    PWC Goes BLUE thanks to Faisal GILL….. bringing SHAME to the local Republican Party with the help up party leader Tom Kopko and the FORMER County Chairman COREY STEWART!

  18. Greg L said on 26 May 2007 at 12:33 pm:
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    I know emotions are running high here, but before we get too far let’s step back and take a look at some of the names that have been mentioned.

    Mike May nominated Faisal Gill to be reappointed to the housing commission, which is hardly a sign that he’s endorsing his candidacy in the 51st. He has not endorsed Faisal Gill. Beating him up is wrong.

    Among Faisal Gill’s endorsers are a number of really good elected officials who I think made a mistake. It’s hard to find any elected official who never makes mistakes, and it’s not right to characterize their whole career as flawed based on one endorsement. If these folks were out actively campaigning for Faisal Gill, I might have some issues, but to my knowledge none of these folks have, so I don’t. I wouldn’t want to throw Scott Lingamfelter out for one endorsement when he has otherwise done an absolutely terrific job otherwise, for example.

    These elected officials probably jumped to support Faisal without knowing the full story, and now they’re stuck. Let’s try to be a little understanding here. This isn’t the only time in history where elected officials endorsed a candidate only to find out later there were some good reasons why they shouldn’t have. It happens, it’s unfortunate, and as long as they don’t compound their mistake with others, there’s no good reason to beat these folks up.

    Let’s try to not be as hysterical as the Faisal Gill supporters, OK?

  19. oldie said on 26 May 2007 at 4:13 pm:
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    June 2nd, 2007… 11:59 am:

    Today’s headline on Bvbl…

    First Muslim American has won the nominatin……..

    Also, Bvbl’s life long supporter JM, has committed suicide……….apparently he was suffering from severe depresssion and sleeping disorder…………

    His funeral services will be held at democratic headquarter………….

  20. anon said on 26 May 2007 at 4:38 pm:
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    Ari Stotle-
    I agree with you that the local independent candidates you mentioned are F’ed up.

  21. Jonathan Mark said on 26 May 2007 at 6:33 pm:
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    “”"First Muslim American has won the nomination”"”

    Gill wouldn’t be the first Moslem nominated for elective office. There are scores of them, including U.S. Rep. Keith Ellison (D-MN.)

    It doesn’t matter anyway if Faisal Gill is a Moslem. I attacked Jim Moran (D-VA) online for three years, and Jim Moran is not a Moslem.

    I attack Ken Cuccinelli now, and Ken Cuccinelli is also not a Moslem.

    If Gill is nominated then I expect to have a lot of fun attacking Gill and his enabler Ken Cuccinelli through November. Gill’s chances of winning in November, never high to begin with, sunk near zero with the withdrawal of Jeff Dion from the Democratic HOD-51 race.

    Paul Nichols would have to be caught with the proverbial dead girl or live boy to lose. That assumes that he and his backers go full-bore against Faisal Gill, Terror Lobbyist #1.

    It won’t be necessary for Nichols to say those things about Gill himself. In fact, he shouldn’t say them directly. A bunch of us can say it about Gill instead and get the information we need to out there.

    It is already happening…

  22. Jonathan Mark said on 26 May 2007 at 6:46 pm:
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    “”"Among Faisal Gill’s endorsers are a number of really good elected officials who I think made a mistake.”"”

    In the case of Ken Cuccinelli is isn’t just one mistake.

    Cuccinelli has accepted $15,900 from officials of the government-raided Safa Group, and refuses to return it.

    Cuccinelli has accepted $700 from the radical imam Taha J. Al-Alwani. Al-Alwani was an unindicted co-conspirator in the Sami Al-Arian trial. Al-Arian is in jail now after having been found to have committed terrorist conspiracy and civil contempt.

    Al-Alwani issued a fatwa in 1988-89 stating that jihad to liberate Palestine is required for all Moslems. Al-Alwani’s Islamic institute was a major funder of Al-Arian’s WISE terrorist front group for Palestinian Islamic Jihad.

    http://goodbyeken.com/Cuccinelli/news/cuccinelli-donor-al-alwanis-fatwa-required-violent-jihad?searchterm=Al+Alwan

    Cuccinelli also has a very un-conservative position on illegal immigration. If you visit Cooch’s website you will see that he does not claim to support state and local enforcement of immigration laws, including the 287g program.

    Julie Lucas, on the other hand, makes 287g and local enforcement a key point of her platform.

    If Cuccinelli had only done this one thing wrong then I might agree to give him a pass. But this guy has a history. Ken Cuccinelli has been allied with jihadist supporters and now an immigration law firm partner for the past five years.

    If Cuccinelli returns to office in November then he will only be emboldened. Others will think that they too can ally with supporters of jihad and win reelection.

    Keep Lingamfelter if you must, but Cuccinelli must pay a price for what he has done and does on behalf of jihad supporters.

    I don’t care if Cuccinelli whines that it is legal to support jihad. It is legal to perform abortions too, but Cuccinelli doesn’t endorse abortionists.

    So why does Cuccinelli endorse and take money from jihadists and their chief lobbyists? Why?

  23. Greg L said on 27 May 2007 at 12:38 am:
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    Actually, Cuccinelli’s votes this last legislative session on the subject of illegal aliens were excellent, in my opinion. (ref HB 2937, HB 2448, HB 2622) He’s also been supportive of the efforts of Help Save Herndon, which is a big player in the illegal alien issue in his district. If you judge him on what he’s actually done, he’s better on this issue than most other representatives in Fairfax County. I seriously doubt whoever ends up running against him in the general election could possibly do better on this subject if elected.

    Senator Cuccinelli has done an outstanding job on the subject of illegal aliens in my view.

  24. Jonathan Mark said on 27 May 2007 at 3:14 am:
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    Ah, but you did not mention Ken Cuccinelli’s unwillingness to second SB1045, which died in the House of Justice Committee. Jay O’Brien and Ken Cuccinelli both sit on that committee.

    SB1045 provided for “Immigration; powers of law-enforcement officers. Expands the powers of state and local law-enforcement officials to include immigration powers conferred upon the law-enforcement agency by agreement with the U.S. Department of Homeland Security. The bill also allows the Department of Corrections to receive any person into a state or local facility committed under the authority of the United States.”

    http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?ses=071&typ=bil&val=sb1045

    Jay O’Brien was the sponsor of SB1045, described below. The bill had no co-sponsors, which means that Cooch refused to co-sponsor it.

    Equally reprehensibly, it died in the Senate House of Justice Committee without coming up for a vote. Both Jay O’Brien and Ken Cuccinelli are on that committee.

    So why did it not come up for a vote? My impression is that SB 1045 did not come up for a vote because no one on the House of Justice committee would second it. Which means that Ken Cuccinelli would not second it.

    Julie Lucas on her website mentions the importance of enlisting our local law enforcement officials in the fight against illegal immigration, and explicitly supports 287g in that regard.

    Ken Cuccinelli when discussing illegal immigration on Ken’s website makes no mention of either local enforcement or 287g.

    A reasonable conclusion is that Ken Cuccinelli opposed Jay O’Brien’s bill SB 1045 which provided for state and local enforcement of immigration laws.

  25. Jonathan Mark said on 27 May 2007 at 3:39 am:
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    Correction. Jay O’Brien is not on the House of Justice Committee.

    That means that more investigation is needed as to what happened to SB1045 and why it never came up for a vote.

    Perhaps Senator Obenshain would know. I will ask Cuccinelli also, since unlike Faisal Gill Sen. Cuccinelli is not known to be litigious and is not likely to sue me.

  26. Linda said on 28 May 2007 at 12:35 am:
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    Gill and Lucas both made errors in filing their paperwork. Nichols is not really a democrat…….and the guy who filed his paperwork correctly, can speak in complete sentences was pushed out of the race due to his sexual preference.

    When the choice comes down to picking between two idiots who could not file their election campaign paperwork properly and legally (Gill and Lucas) or the wannabe democrat (Nichols)…….I’m going with the smart gay guy.

    I rather have the smart gay guy representing me than one of the three stooges.

  27. Greg L said on 28 May 2007 at 12:46 am:
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    My understanding is that Julie Lucas had two delegate forms disallowed either because they were duplicates or they weren’t registered to vote, which is below the norm for this sort of thing. Faisal Gill, to my understanding, filed about 60 duplicates, and about 50 applications were disallowed because the delegate applicants were not registered voters.

    I am not aware of Julie Lucas making any notable errors in “her paperwork”, as you call it.

  28. Bryanna said on 28 May 2007 at 10:40 am:
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    In anticipation of the convention, delegate forms were completed and filed by non-registered voters, with no voting history. Once you register to vote, as long as you’re in the “process” you are entitled to have the right to vote.

    The question should be at the Convention what comes first the chicken or the egg?

    And this my friends is why Tom Kopko had no business staying on as the Convention Chairman. A paid political consultant to a candidate can’t possibly remain neutral. Give me a break.

  29. Greg L said on 28 May 2007 at 10:47 am:
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    Ari, Kopko is not convention chairman, but chairman of the legislative district and the person who selected the convention chairman.

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