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A Brief History Of Faisal Gill

By Greg L | 25 May 2007 | 51st HOD District | 69 Comments

I got a scan of a newspaper article from someone today which was written by Alan Gura, who as was the lead counsel in Parker v. District of Columbia, the case which has overturned DC’s ban on firearms. When he’s not helping to win landmark cases like this, he apparently writes a column. So what would someone usually working so diligently in protecting our constitutional rights be doing which would be of particular interest to BVBL readers? He’s writing about Faisal Gill, and doing one hell of a job.

Attention citizens! Asim Ghafoor has something to say that all voters should read:

“We are here not just to be nice to people … but to bring … Islamic ways to this country. We’re going to make sure, those of us Muslims who are involved in politics, that our Muslim leaders who join the mainstream will uphold those principles … you should rule by Islam … when you’re in a position of power, when you’re ruling … in a position of secular power, you are commanded by Allah to rule according to Islam.” (from an interview conducted by Itrath Syed for RadioIslam.com on Muslims participating in the political process in North America)

On election day, remember these words if called on to consider Ghafoor’s longtime business partner and fellow Islamic activist Faisal Gill — Republican candidate for the House of Delegates in Prince William County.

Will Gill “bring Islamic ways to this country?” Is he “commanded by Allah to rule according to Islam”? I’ll report. You decide.

On the surface, Gill is about what one would expect from a GOP candidate. Conservative on all big issues, lawyer, Navy JAG Corps. Gill even has the requisite Washingtonesque government job history, a former director of intelligence policy for the Department of Homeland Security’s Information Analysis and Infrastructure Protection directorate. Surely a man with extremist affiliations would not hold such a sensitive job?

That’s the question two U. S. Senators asked of Homeland Security after Gill was suspended from work. Just like his campaign Web site, Gill’s background check application for DHS neglected to mention his past as spokesman and lobbyist for the American Muslim Council (AMC), a radical organization founded and, during Gill’s tenure, according to government officials, controlled by convicted terrorist financier Abdurahman Alamoudi.

Alamoudi had made a name for himself leading rallies for Hamas and Hezbollah. A suitcase full of cash from Libya eventually earned Alamoudi his current 23-year jail sentence.

By the time Gill started working for AMC in 2001, the radical nature of the group, and it’s leader Alamoudi, were public knowledge. The Wall Street Journal ran an expose of Alamoudi as early as March 13, 1996.

Nine months later, at a meeting of the Islamic Association of Palestine, a Hamas front organization, Alamoudi publicly stated, “Muslims sooner or later will be the moral leadership of America … either we do it now or we do it after a hundred years, but this country will become a Muslim country. If we are outside this country, we can say, oh, Allah, destroy America. But once we are here, our mission in this country is to change it. There is no way for Muslims to be violent in America, no way. We have other means to do it. You can be violent anywhere else but America.”

One place where Gill’s boss believed violence to be appropriate was Buenos Aires. A wiretap caught Alamoudi extolling the 1994 bombing of the Jewish community center in the Argentine capital, a murder of 85 innocent people: “The jewish community center. It is a worthy operation … the attacks that are being executed by bin Laden and other Islamic groups are wrong, especially hitting the civilian targets. Many African Muslims have died and not a single American died. I prefer to hit a Zionist target in America or Europe. I prefer honestly like what happened in Argentina.”

So what exactly did Gill do for Alamoudi’s AMC? On a resume, Gill described his work in 2001 this way: “Acted as spokesperson for several Muslim groups on 9/11 … Developed post 9/11 public relations and lobbying strategies for Muslim groups on dealing with Congress and the Administration.” Very well, Mr. Spokesperson.  After 9/11, AMC’s web site contained the following language:

“The Law Says You Don’t Have To Talk to the FBI: The FBI is looking for information to use against you, your family and/or your community. The FBI has a history of harassing and harming minority and immigrant communities. Some people are spending a long time in jail because they or their friends talked to the FBI … FBI agents are trained to get you to make incomplete or contradictory statements — which later can be used against you in court. It is better to say nothing.”

Even if Gill did not actually write these words for AMC’s Web site, was Gill not at least aware that he was the public face of a group urging Muslims not to cooperate with the FBI investigation of 9/11?

There is at least some record of Gill’s words with respect to his “lobbying strategies” at the White House. On June 28, 2001, on AMC’s behalf, Gill participated in a White House meeting of Muslim groups with the Office of Faith Based and Community Initiatives when the Secret Service asked a member of the group to leave.

Apparently, the security clearance of Abdullah Al-Arian, son of now-convicted terrorist frontman Sami Al-Arian, had failed. In a show of unity, Gill and his associates walked out on the White House. Said Gill, “at that point everybody said we were all going to leave if Abdullah had to leave, so we did.”

Gill’s insensitivity to Secret Service concerns about his friend Al-Arian were not out of step for AMC. His AMC boss, Alamoudi, had declared in 2000 to the Arab language paper al-Zaitonah, “[AMC’s] position with regard to the peace process is well known. We are the ones who went to the White House and defended what is called Hamas.” Did Gill continue to defend Hamas when it became his job to represent AMC to the White House?

Gill was eventually cleared by DHS in relation to his background disclosures. He did not list AMC in his employment history because he was technically outsourced to the organization under the auspices of his direct employer at the time, AG Consulting. That’s AG as in Asim Ghafoor, who isn’t here “to be nice”, but to “bring Islamic ways to this country.”

The senators who inquired about Gill’s tenure at DHS were also concerned with Gill’s Ghafoor connection. As noted by the senators, Ghafoor worked for numerous organizations and individuals declared by the U. S. government to be “involved in, or suspected of supporting, terrorism.”

Ghafoor, now Gill’s law partner, has quite a practice representing accused terrorists. We must remember that accusation by the government does not equal guilt, and even terrorists deserve legal representation. Lawyers who step up to represent unpopular defendants deserve praise for helping our system function.

But Ghafoor’s history as spokesperson for groups tied to terrorism is a different matter, especially in light of his radical public advocacy. And Ghafoor’s litigation conduct in itself is not without controversy. Ghafoor is suing the government for $1 million, because his phone calls with Soliman al-Batahai, a “Specially Designated Global Terrorist,” were tapped.

How in the world does a character like Faisal Gill become a serious candidate for office? Hint: It rhymes with “honey”, and lots of it.

The article doesn’t appear online, and I’m not sure where it was published or when, but work like this needs to be made available to the voters who are considering whether to nominate Faisal Gill at the June 2nd convention. It’s a tremendous summary of some of the major concerns that many share about Faisal Gill’s candidacy.

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  1. James Young said on 25 May 2007 at 10:17 pm:
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    It’s truly sad to see an attorney, who’s supposed to be trained in facts, resort to nothing more than guilt by association.

    Maybe he can offer a fact about how Faisal was aware of those activities?

    No? That’s what I thought.

  2. James Young said on 25 May 2007 at 10:19 pm:
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    Tell me, Greg: Is Gura representing you in Chapman’s lawsuit? If not, who is? I’m quite curious.

  3. oldie said on 25 May 2007 at 10:33 pm:
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    Faisal is muslim but not a religious one. If he were a “good practicing muslim”, he wouldn’t be married to christian woman. His kids wouldn’t go to catholic schools.

    No, Faisal will not bring Islamic ways to this country. I have been following your blogs for quite some time. Howcome you never talk about real issues we are facing in 51st district? Howcome you are hammering him over and over for being a muslim? It was predictable that your attacks on Faisal would increase around this time, I didn’t know you would stoop this low.

    Faisal should have dropped the lawsuit against you so you wouldn’t have to mislead voters.

  4. Parilis said on 25 May 2007 at 11:13 pm:
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    Although I agree with your post for the most part, I definately would not say Faisal is not a practicing Muslim, but he is not a radical Muslim. His kids go to Cathloic schools because he wanted them to learn about another religion in great detail and also because it provides the best opportunity for them education wise. But I do agree with the rest of the post.

  5. oldie said on 25 May 2007 at 11:13 pm:
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    Greg, your intense animosity and hostility towards islam is helping Faisal’s delegates realize that most of your allegations are baseless.

    You are trying to create fear among residents of PWC without any valid reason. Shame on you.

  6. Loudoun Insider said on 25 May 2007 at 11:37 pm:
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    Give me a freaking break, Oldie! Greg is not against muslims per se, just ones with ties to terrorism! I am certain he would be bringing up these issues even if Gill had dropped his ridiculous lawsuit filed on behalf of Chapman.

  7. James Young said on 26 May 2007 at 12:19 am:
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    I don’t pretend to know all of the facts of the lawsuit, but if it were ridiculous, it would have been thrown out of court on a motion to dismiss. That it has not belies the smears of these amateur legal analysts. And surely, Greg would be crowing about that.

  8. Anonymous said on 26 May 2007 at 12:55 am:
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    Yes we do have to worry about the muslim mafia. Are all these new minerets in northern virginia symbols of peace or symbols of domination and conquest?

    I think the AMC and others are looking for conquest.

  9. Greg L said on 26 May 2007 at 1:50 am:
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    oldie, your characterization of my motives and intentions here are absurd. Someone else has done a very good job piecing together the various events related to Faisal Gill’s work on behalf of some disturbing groups of people, and I’ve shared that with my readers. You then say that because I’ve done this I’m somehow hostile towards Muslims?

    How about you try to point out where the facts here are wrong? Everything stated in this article is attributable to proven sources.

    You know who is hurt most by all of this radical garbage by folks like Alamoudi and Al-Arian? It’s the Muslim who understands that being an American isn’t incompatible with his or her faith, and wants to be a productive and contributing member of society as the overwhelming proportion of American Muslims certainly are. Muslims in America need to reclaim the real tenets of their faith, confront the radicals who tarnish their otherwise good reputation, and make it clear to those that think that suicide bombings and terrorism are an affront to God by whatever name you choose to call Him.

    And excuse me for having a rational basis for concern that someone who has consistently associated with folks like Asim Ghafoor might not be dedicated to the best interests of our nation. From what he has said, can you really blame me?

  10. Jonathan Mark said on 26 May 2007 at 1:53 am:
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    James Young defending the proverbial piano player in the whorehouse:

    “”"It’s truly sad to see the district attorney, who’s supposed to be trained in facts, resort to nothing more than guilt by association.

    Maybe he can offer a fact about how how my client Faisal Gill, the piano player in the waiting room at the whorehouse, was aware of the activities going on upstairs?

    No? That’s what I thought.”"”

  11. freedom said on 26 May 2007 at 8:34 am:
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    Oldie says…

    “How come you never talk about real issues we are facing in 51st district?”

    I ask, “What in the world could be a MORE real and significant issue facing the 51st district than even the POTENTIAL link to terrorists or terrorist sympathizers?? … and clearly, there’s more here than “potential.”

    Evidence to convict and send to prison is one thing, but Faisal Gill is not on trial…and lack of evdence to convict should not constitute basis for election. (My goodness, how difficult is THAT to understand.)

    We should not be talking about “proof,” we should be talking about which candidate has a record that warrants our trust and confidence. For me, Faisal Gill’s past and continuing associates cause “reasonable doubt” — while that may not be good enough to convict in court, it’s more than enough to deny public office.

  12. CONVA said on 26 May 2007 at 10:49 am:
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    Is Faisal a member of the Virginia Bar? I believe he is a member of the D.C. bar, but not Virginia. Comments?

  13. truthDetector said on 26 May 2007 at 10:52 am:
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    Greg says “How about you try to point out where the facts here are wrong? Everything stated in this article is attributable to proven sources.”

    When Charles did that, you deleted all his posts and banned him from even READING what you wrote.

    Maybe you are deleting EVERY post that answers your charges.

  14. anon said on 26 May 2007 at 11:08 am:
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    Charles never pointed out where info was wrong in all of his long-winded books that I read.

    All he did was disagree.

    And when he WAS presented with facts that directly disputed his opinions, he ignored the FACTS and kept on posting.

    Time and again, Charles was shown where it was PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE that the AMC was bad news. He was shown where it was ALL OVER THE INTERNET that AMC was bad news just months prior to Gill going to work for them.

    And still, Charles disputed that Gill could have/should have known that these guys were bad news. Charles’s defense was never any more substantial than that no one could PROVE that Gill knew they were bad eggs.

    It was even pointed out to Charles that the money-grubber Hillary Rodham Clinton knew how bad her former buddies at AMC were and returned their donations PUBLICLY months before Gill went to work for them. And that public return of funds was ALL OVER THE INTERNET in reliable, legitimate news sources.

    I don’t think most people are claiming that Gill DID know how bad AMC was. We are saying that he SHOULD HAVE known. That a RESPONSIBLE person WOULD have made an effort to find out.

    Charles even made stupid comments such as suggesting that Lucas should have contacted the Virginia Muslim PAC and asked them for a questionaire. That is just beyond stupid. How can you expect ANY candidate to contact thousands and thousands of organizations and ask them if they will be endorsing candidates and to please send you a questionaire? That just defies all logic.

  15. James Young said on 26 May 2007 at 1:22 pm:
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    Of course, all Charles did was disagree. Because when you get right down to the facts, all that Greg’s wonderful “source” offers is a series of suppositions and leaps of logic that amount to guilt by association. It’s impossible to “dispute” innuendo. And it’s somewhat difficult to get past the only adjudication that really matters: that those charged with our security investigated, and gave Faisal a clean bill of health.

    That having been said, I don’t believe that there’s evidence that Greg — as opposed to JM — is a racist/anti-Muslim. Greg provides a forum for Faisal-bashing because Faisal’s firm is representing Steve Chapman in the still-pending lawsuit against Greg. I don’t EXPECT him to like Faisal because of that fact, but dignity and prudence would dictate to most that they should not gratuitously provoke someone who could sue them for sport.

  16. anon said on 26 May 2007 at 2:08 pm:
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    Charles’s disagreement came in the form of him making statements that said things like, Faisal couldn’t possibly have known about the AMC. Then someone would provide proof that if Faisal had taken his nose out of you-know-where and LOOKED he most certainly could have known about the AMC. Then Charles would say, well, you can’t PROVE that Faisal knew the AMC were bad guys.

    Well, you know what, I can’t PROVE that Faisal KNEW that going 80 in 55 was against the law. But I do know that he SHOULD HAVE known that it was against the law. I can’t PROVE that Faisal saw the speed limit signs. I can’t PROVE that Faisal read the driver’s manual. But IF Faisal was a responsible man, he would KNOW that 80 in a 55 is against the law.

    The same things applies to the AMC and the other shady characters that Faisal keeps company with.

  17. Loudoun Insider said on 26 May 2007 at 2:13 pm:
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    Good analogy anon!

    Charles is whining about being banned at TC.

  18. Mary HIll said on 26 May 2007 at 3:29 pm:
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    My dad, who grew up in the Progressive Era and through the Depression, had a name for people like you. They were called “MUCKRAKERS”. You have a personal agenda here and it is unfortunate.

    I know the tactics well as they were used on me. I was accused of not being a Real Republican (no one worked harder in this County than I for Pres. Bush), taking money from developers (no, I did not), defaming a police officer (suit dropped), and then my husband (who has a top secret clearance) and I were creatively accused by same officer of selling drugs (when he said that when only my husband and I lived at home that felonious drug trafficking was determined to be occuring from my home. Itt is a criminal offense for an officer to make false accusations against citizens but nothing happened to him Your crap just brings back so many of these sad memories. But your tactics work. Sling enough mud and it starts to stick. They call it “Death by Cuts”. I hope people see through it.

    I have always liked by Faisil and his opponent Julie Lucas but I am so turned off by her breaking her promise which was to run a positive campaign. She recently borrowed a page from your book on Faisil and sent it out to people citing Faisil for poor judgment. She accused Faisil by referring people to the old Front Page mag story when she knew he was cleared by people in charge of our security 4 times. It is too bad that DHS employees who are pretty high up are not allowed to speak out on political matters just this once. I know several of them and they think Faisil is getting a raw deal with all of these accusations and they praise his work at DHS. Further, Julie charges Faisil again with poor judgment for lobbying the interests of his clients. Well, that is what a lobbyist is supposed to do. And who is to say that that he didn’t lobby for legislation that benefitted the masses. Let’s see. Oh, he lobbied for cancer research. Ooohh! Poor judgment. Give me a break.

    And Julie claiming ownership of a piece of legislation as if she wrote and passed it herself. Give me a break. Lots of people supported and lobbied for that bill. How convenient that she just tacks it on to her list of accomplishments. She didn’t need to do that. She should have just stuck to her own legitimate record and stayed on the positive campaign course she committed to.

    Maybe Julie is running scared but there is such a thing as wanting something so badly that you are willing to selli your soul. That is how I view what she did.
    am so sad to see it because I always thought she had an excellent record on the school board. Of course, I hate her idea for full time kindergarten. I’m the mother of two elementary school teachers and based on their sound professional judgment, I’d rather see the money spent on efforts which would empower parents to reinforce the academic skills teachers teach in schools.

    So if anyone has proven lacking themselves in poor judgment and disingenuous hyperbole, it is Julie.

    What does this mean for me? Well, I had committed to Faisil before Julie decided to run. So when she approached me with her plans to run, I had decided to skip the convention so as not to harm or help either effort. But now, in light of Julie’s horrible mailer, I will be attending to support Faisil. I don’t want my representative in Richmond to have gotten their via any tactics that smack of Connaughtyism. I want someone whose integrity I can trust. And she BLEW hers away with that mailer. Sorry, Julie.

  19. Jonathan Mark said on 26 May 2007 at 5:19 pm:
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    Contrary to what James Young insists, being allowed to keep one’s security clearance is not a clean bill of health. It represents a determination that one has not and probably will not engage in espionage.

    Jim Moran (D-VA) voted in 2006 not to sanction the Hamas-led Palestinian Authority. But Jim Moran kept his security clearance, and properly so. Jim Moran accepted money from Alamoudi but eventually returned it in 2002. But Jim Moran kept his security clearance.

    “”"it’s somewhat difficult to get past the only adjudication that really matters: that those charged with our security investigated, and gave Faisal a clean bill of health.”"”

    DHS in 2004 determined that Faisal met or exceeded the standards for holding a security clearance.

    DHS did NOT determine that Faisal met or exceeded the standards for elective office.

    DHS may not have known about Alamoudi’s 2000 statement that the American Muslim Council are the ones who go to the White House and defend Hamas.

    Or, DHS MAY NOT HAVE CARED whether Alamoudi said that the American Muslim Council are the ones who go to the White House and defend Hamas.

    After all, it was legal for an AMC lobbyist to go to the White House to defend Hamas. Lobbying for Hamas would not necessarily result in revocation of a security clearance.

  20. haris khan said on 26 May 2007 at 9:30 pm:
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    you guys are extremely stupid its not even funny. if this article was posted by a highschool newspaper it would made sense but not u guys. as educated individuals we should not post so immature stories.
    just because Faisal is a muslim it doesnt mean he is going to rule U.S. according to Islam, simply a better understanding of the religion of Islam is needed for you sir.
    We are muslims but americans too and we would never do anything to hurt our country.

  21. Anonymous said on 26 May 2007 at 10:46 pm:
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    “haris khan” Learn how to speak English, then lecture those who do. This has nothing to do with Islam, and you offer no proof of any “high school” affiliations for this article. In fact, given the sheer number of fraudulent documents Gill submitted, I’d be more inclined to question everything him and his supporters say from now on! That means you… tiger!

  22. Anonymous said on 26 May 2007 at 10:48 pm:
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    P.S. By which I mean your English is so bad I couldn’t even tell if you were trying to say this was a high school article or not… but I guess that’s just what Faisal supporters bring to the table.

  23. Anonymous said on 26 May 2007 at 10:51 pm:
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    “you guys are extremely stupid its not even funny”

    Is this guy serious??? I bet Faisal the terrorist Gill doesn’t bring more than 1/16 regular GOP to the convention, and Lucas takes him to the house!

  24. Greg L said on 26 May 2007 at 10:58 pm:
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    On regards to “I don’t EXPECT him to like Faisal because of that fact, but dignity and prudence would dictate to most that they should not gratuitously provoke someone who could sue them for sport.”, are you saying that it’s permissible under the rules that govern your profession for lawyers to sue people “for sport?”

    Or is this a commentary on how highly you value Faisal Gill’s ethical convictions?

  25. AWCheney said on 26 May 2007 at 10:58 pm:
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    Actually, Anonymous, Haris’ English is really quite good, given it is admittedly his second language. Are you as adept in any other language? Let’s leave the personal attacks to Charles and not play in his sandbox…Oh yeah, he’s banned. Of course, Haris, calling people stupid is not exactly considered very polite either. That’s Jimmy Young’s department.

  26. Greg L said on 26 May 2007 at 11:05 pm:
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    I appreciate that the overwhelming proportion, at least, of American Muslims are good people who are and will continue to be a credit to our country. But when you have a radical saying the things Asim Ghafoor is on record as saying, would any of these good American Muslims choose to associate themselves so closely with them over the past six years?

    Geez, if I worked with someone in three different companies (AG Consulting, Sapentia, and Gill & Gallinger in Gill’s case) as a partner, or as his employee, who was openly a member of the Ku Klux Klan, I would be absolutely crucified if I tried to run for office, whether I had a set of funny looking sheets in my closet or not.

  27. AWCheney said on 26 May 2007 at 11:12 pm:
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    Especially if you were in a lobbyist/PR position, Greg!

  28. oldie said on 27 May 2007 at 1:20 am:
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    Anonymous, it looks like you get disturbed every time someone new(faisal’s supporter)writes on this blog. You immediately make fun of their grammer and writing ability. Have some patience and give every one a fair chance.

    Julie is not so smart after all. I received her latest “smear campaign”flyer in the mail and it clearly shows her desperation. She writes” faisal got nine traffic tickets……”,.

    I think faisal has been driving since he was a teenager, do the math,lady.

    She also writes “crap “about him and his alleged affiliation with muslim organizations and terrorism………,
    which she stole from this site anyway. At the end, she is asking delegates to “google faisal”.

    Dear Julie, have you tried googling faisal? if you have, then you would have known that it brings you back to Bvbl’s posts which are usually bunch of lies and false allegations posted by either, Greg, who we all know, is being sued by Steve Chapman(Faisal Gill is reprsenting Steve), or couple other faisal/muslim haters ,who, not to mention, don’t even sleep at night. No offense ,jm.

    Here is the fun part, she just sent this mailer to over 300 muslim delegates. Thank you Julie, all of them are showing up on June 2nd.

    “Google Faisal Gill” is actually working for Faisal.

  29. Anonymous said on 27 May 2007 at 2:34 am:
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    I doubt google faisal gill is actually working for Faisal. Tickets can be an issue, wasn’t it Herrity way back in the eighties or nineties in Fairfax got too many speeding tickets and the voters booted him out of office.

    Actually muslims do not think in lock step. There is a split in the muslim community over terrorism. Many muslims are in the US to get away from terrorism. They may not appreciate Gill’s links to terrorism.

    Many muslims may actually better understand what it means to associate with terrorism because their families may have been victims. While many american voters born and raised in the US may downplay Faisal connections to terror, recent muslim immigrants may be really ticked off at Faisal.

  30. Jonathan Mark said on 27 May 2007 at 2:43 am:
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    “”"have you tried googling faisal? if you have, then you would have known that it brings you back to Bvbl’s posts”"”

    It brings you to Michelle Malkin (#1), Frank Gaffney (#2), Faisal’ own website (#3), Jihad Watch (#4) and BVBL (#5.)

  31. oldie said on 27 May 2007 at 10:58 am:
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    Anonymous said,
    “Actually muslims do not think in lock step. There is a split in the muslim community over terrorism…..”

    Since when you have become expert on Islam/muslims? Have you ever spoken to a muslim in person? If you have, then, why you make them sound like “extraterrestrials”in your posts?

    June 2nd is only a few days away. It will be interesting to see how voters will react to Julie’s negative campaign. Istead of talking about her plans for the betterment of PWC, she is constantly attacking faisal. Julie has yet to talk about issues like controlling growth,traffic problems, school system, etc. Faisal on the other hand, is paying attention to these issues. This is what some of the high ranking officials say about Faisal.

    “we need the commonsense and conservative leadership of Faisal Gill in the General Assembly.”
    Bill Bolling , Lieutenant Governor.

    ” I urge you to support Faisal Gill for the House of Delegates. With him fighting by my sied, we can lead the charge to hold the line on taxes for Virginia families and eliminate government waste.”
    Ken Cuccinelli, State Senator.

    “Faisal Gill has been with us every step of the way in our battle to control development and attempt to solve the growth and transportation cirsis here in Northern Virginia.”
    Corey Stewart, Chairman, Prince william Board of Supervisors.

    “Faisal’s work in the war against terror has been invaluable….as a senior leader in the Department of Homeland Security, he contributed greatly to our country’s objectives towards peace and security.”
    Frank Libutti, Lt. General USMC(Ret.)

    “Faisal is a leader. He was there working to protect tax-payers in 2002 when some were trying to force a sales tax referendum on the families of our region. And he was these standing strong for the traditional marriage in 2006. When he is in Richmond, he will be a solid partner with me advocating for the Families of Prince William County.”
    Delegate L. Scott Lingamfelter (R-31)
    Prince William and Fauquir Counties.

    Please don’t tell me that all these people have lost thier minds…………

  32. oldie said on 27 May 2007 at 11:00 am:
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    oh teacher, I meant”instead”. sorry

  33. Jonathan Mark said on 27 May 2007 at 1:17 pm:
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    The article that Greg L. cites is from the May 24, 2007 Washington Jewish Week.

  34. CONVA said on 27 May 2007 at 2:14 pm:
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    They may not have lost their minds but they sure as hell have lost a lot of Republican votes.

  35. CONVA said on 27 May 2007 at 2:15 pm:
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    I forgot to mention financial support.

  36. Anonymous said on 27 May 2007 at 2:35 pm:
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    Oldie, you’re just not politically astute period if you want Faisal to be the GOP nominee (that or you’re not really a Republican yourself). Julie has sent out, from my count, 4 mailers talking about what she has accomplished as an ELECTED OFFICIAL. Two of her so called “attack” mailers are side-by-side comparisons specifically noting her accomplishments and what she wants to work towards in Richmond with Gill’s bad choices- to say otherwise is simply blowing smoke in the faces of educated voters who take you for nothing more than a Faisal Gill apologist.

    Politically, if Gill wins the convention, it will be disastrous for the GOP. He has already bribed the chairman of the PWC GOP, and submitted numerous duplicate pre-files for the convention, among other “problems” with his pre-files, from what was disclosed on multiple blogs, including this one. If you think Julie is “attacking” Gill, you will think the Dems are declaring WAR on him if he’s the GOP nominee.

    The fact is he has too much political baggage. Be it terror links, solid or otherwise, speeding tickets (and yes 9 tickets, depending on the severity, can and will get your license revoked, so it doesn’t matter how long he’s been driving, he’s only 34 anyway from what I recall), submitting bogus pre-files, bribing the GOP chair, all show the voters he’s a horrible candidate who we can trust to continue to make horrible decisions- except as a delegate, he’d be dragging thousands and thousands of Virginians down with him.

    If you want to hold the 51st for the GOP, you should bite your tongue when it comes to Gill and simply face the facts- unless you are determined to have your life run by ignorance.

  37. Mary HIll said on 27 May 2007 at 2:48 pm:
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    Good golly, I got something new from someone who was against Faisil but has now decided to pass my good word about Faisil around. This person wrote me the following: “Hey Mary, I have some information that supports what you think. Evidently Faisal was spying on his own people and his life became in danger which is why he was removed from his job in Homeland Security”.

    I always knew Faisil was true blue American and I am not surprised that DHS would use such patriotic Muslims to infiltrate radical Muslim groups. Don’t know if my friend’s comments are true or not. But it would not surprise me to learn that they are indeed true. Also, it wouldn’t surprise me if the attention to Fasil by extremist groups was not a direct result of the notoriety he received by the negative articles about him starting with that muckraking Front Page Mag article. A Julie supporter told me that Faisil should be defending Julie’s charges. Well, maybe his status as a former DHS higher up and his top secret clearance prevent him from divulging such information. A sure sign of his trustworthiness that he doesn’t divulge things he is sworn not to divulge.

    No doubt that Virginia’s Commonwealth Preparedness would benefit vastly from having someone like Faisil in the General Assembly. He knows the workings of radical extremists - what they do or plan to do, how they plan to do it, etc. You can bet he would do his best to keep the Commonwealth secure from such efforts.

    I don’t take security issues lightly. I was the first chairman of the National Capital Region Emergency Planning/Preparedness Committee. I am extremely fearful of radical Muslim extremism at work in America and in Virginia. Having someone like Faisil representing me will certainly assuage those fears to some degree because I trust his patriotism and laud his abilities as a Homeland Security expert. If anyone studies Faisil’s true record of accomplishments and then still charges him falsely or impugns his patriotism, my only conclusion about them is that they are just Islamaphobes (if that is a word - if not, they are just Muslim haters). And that comes from me - a female Christian WASP.

    Got another Julie mailer charging Faisil with poor judgment. So I have to say to that Julie worker who told me that she probably wasn’t aware that her campaign manager had approved such a negative piece the first time around - you are out of touch! Julie knows exactly what she is doing - selling her soul. Not even a subatomic particle of integrity left in her.

    Julie, I wouldn’t be writing any of this had you stayed positive and not made false charges against Faisil. Hoping others feel the same way about your muckraking as I do.

  38. James Young said on 27 May 2007 at 4:22 pm:
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    Greg, as usual, your response to a legitimate question/observation is an attack.

    Your response unfortunately presumes facts not in evidence, i.e., that doing so would somehow be unethical. Of course, when I use the term “sue … for sport,” I am referring to suit brought not frivolously, or vexatiously, or even for personal profit (i.e., fees), but a valid lawsuit on a valid cause of action pursued by the attorney for the sheer personal pleasure derived from giving a comeuppance to someone who so richly deserves one.

    And as for those who challenge Faisal’s judgment for apparently unwittingly working for an organization affiliated with a terrorist, how does that compare to Julie Lucas’ activities on behalf of GOP candidates who explicitly support higher taxes? That is, for all the sturm und drang over Faisal, there is not the slightest intimation that he was aware of whomever’s illegal activities. Yet there is no doubt whatsoever that Julie has previously associated herself, knowingly and unquestionably, with tax increasers. Now, while I would not — of course — equate a tax increaser with a terrorist, there is the little problem of what we, in the law, call scienter, or knowledge. Julie had knowledge that she was supporting tax increasers (i.e., Buck Waters); Faisal did not know that he was working with a terrorist sympathizer (who, of course, had every reason to camouflage his activities).

    And Old Whithered Wench, I never called you “stupid.” “Vile,” “evil,” “sleazy,” “dishonest,” “unethical,” to be sure.

    But “stupid”? Not that I can recall.

  39. AWCheney said on 27 May 2007 at 4:38 pm:
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    Jimmy, would you like me to go back to all your posts and pull how many times you have called people “stupid” and or “idiot?” They are so numerous, it would take an entire blog (like Septic Tank Observer, for instance) to list them all, but I will if you like.

  40. Jonathan Mark said on 27 May 2007 at 6:55 pm:
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    “”"And Old Whithered Wench, I never called you “stupid.” “Vile,” “evil,” “sleazy,” “dishonest,” “unethical,” to be sure.

    But “stupid”? Not that I can recall.”"”

    AW, the female-related names that Jim Young calls you are what he thinks about his own wife but doesn’t say out loud.

    You are hearing the sounds of Jim Young’s frustration with his own marriage, nothing more.

  41. James Young said on 27 May 2007 at 7:46 pm:
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    Whether I have “called people ’stupid’ and or [sic] ‘idiot,’” Old Whithered Wench, has nothing to do with whether I have ever called you “stupid,” which was the only gratuitous accusation to which I responded. As I said, I don’t recall ever calling you “stupid.”

    So your promise to “go back to all [my] posts and pull how many times [i] have called people ’stupid’ and or ‘idiot’” addresses not at all the point that I made. And indeed, were you to do so, it is likely that you’ll find that, while I may have called statements, claims, and/or fictions “stupid,” or “idiotic,” you’ll likely encounter a great deal of frustration before you find an occasion where I have “called people ’stupid’ and or [sic] ‘idiot,’” or, more likely, that I have never done so.

    As compared, of course, to some commenters statements about Steve Chapman. Perhaps even you, though my time is too valuable to waste it demonstrating that you have done so.

    Once again, JM offers us his fanciful, self-serving fictions, based upon the belittling, insulting nickname I apply to AWCheney whenever she (without provocation) applies her belittling, insulting nickname (certainly, he cannot be referring the any of the other asexual characteristics about AWCheney that I identify). Now, he attacks my wife by comparing her to the Old Whithered Wench, and our marriage.

    You’re a real class act, JM.

  42. Greg L said on 27 May 2007 at 7:48 pm:
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    If Faisal was spying on his friends and law partners, I would imagine he would have already testified as part of the operation Greenquest investigation, in the trial of Alamoudi, or the trial of Sami Al-Arian. Since there’s no evidence at all which would support this eleventh-hour revelation, I’m going to be skeptical. If his life has been in danger, he’s been keeping as high a profile as possible, which would seem incompatible with someone who is trying to protect his personal safety.

    It just doesn’t correspond at all with any of the documented information we’ve heard.

  43. Jonathan Mark said on 27 May 2007 at 7:54 pm:
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    “”"Now, he attacks my wife by comparing her to the Old Whithered Wench, and our marriage.

    You’re a real class act, JM.”"”

    No, I said that the female-related insults that Jim Young spews at AW are what he secretly thinks about his own wife.

    I didn’t say that what Jim Young thinks about his wife is true, merely that he thought it.

  44. Jonathan Mark said on 27 May 2007 at 8:06 pm:
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    “”"Evidently Faisal was spying on his own people and his life became in danger which is why he was removed from his job in Homeland Security”.”"”

    Mary Hill, is Faisal also spying on his law partner and lobbying partner Asim Ghafoor?

    What is it that you think is the relationship between Asim Ghafoor and Faisal Gill?

    Conservative attorney Alan Dura, whose recent work voided DCs gun control legislation, wrote the following in the 7/24/07 Washington Jewish Week.

    “”"Gill was eventually cleared by DHS in relation to his background disclosures. He did not list AMC in his employment history because he was technically outsourced to the organization under the auspices of his direct employer at the time, AG Consulting. That’s AG as in Asim Ghafoor, who isn’t here “to be nice” but to “bring Islamic ways to this country.”

    …As noted by the senators, Ghafoor worked for numerous individuals declared by the U.S. government to be “involved in, or suspected of supporting, terrorism.”

    Ghafoor, now Gill’s law partner, has quite a practice representing terrorists…

    …Ghafoor’s litigation conduct is itself not without controversy. Ghafoor is suing the government for $1 million, because his phone calls with Soliman al-Batahai, a “Specially Designated Global Terrorist” were tapped.”"”

  45. anon said on 27 May 2007 at 8:19 pm:
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    “””Evidently Faisal was spying on his own people and his life became in danger which is why he was removed from his job in Homeland Security”

    About all that needs to be said in regard to this is …. consider the source.

  46. CONVA said on 27 May 2007 at 8:22 pm:
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    I think Mary Hill is drinking Muslim “kool-Aid”. Does she actually think any organization could rely on Faisal to be on time, or in fact do what the position discription stipulates? If so, she doesn’t know the Fasial we are all acquainted with.

  47. Jonathan Mark said on 27 May 2007 at 9:04 pm:
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    Maybe the reason that Faisal Gill forgot to order food for the PWCRC picnic is because he was under deep cover on a secret mission.

    Also, Faisal’s defense in his upcoming reckless driving trial will be that as a secret agent under deep cover he has a special License To Drive just like the secret agents on TV do in car chases and the like.

    You wouldn’t want to endanger Faisal on his secret mission by forcing him to obey traffic laws, would you?

    Also, Faisal’s recent weight gain is actually a disguise. In fact, if you look closely at photos from his 3/31/07 campaign kickoff you can see that his necktie is really a camera.

  48. Bryanna said on 27 May 2007 at 9:12 pm:
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    There is a smorgasbord of negative information about Gill, read this one. Julie has a responsibility to share this knowledge. This isn’t something dreamed up by a bunch of bigots. Political correctness is a flaw in the armour of America! America needs to wake up. read on……

    Have you read about the 20-year-plan?


  49. Bryanna said on 27 May 2007 at 9:18 pm:
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    Mary Hill, You’ve got to be kidding! Read on…..

    Twenty-Year Plan: Islam Targets America

    By Anis Shorrosh

    IHC Abstract
    Dr. Shorrosh offers the following 20-point analysis of the Islamist agenda to take over America by the year 2020:

    1. Replace America’s freedom of speech with hate crime bills nation-wide.

    2. Wage a war of words using black leaders to promote Islam as the original African-American’s religion. Strangely, no one states the fact that it was Arab Muslims who captured and sold them as slaves, neither the fact that in Arabic the word for black and slave is the same: Abed.

    3. Engage the American public on the virtues of Islam.

    4. Nominate Muslim sympathizers to political office.

    5. Take control of the media and the internet by buying the corporations or a
    controlling stock.

    6. Encourage the fear of imminent shut-off of Middle Eastern oil supply.

    7. Protest any time Islam is criticized or the Quran is analyzed in the public arena.

    8. Acquire government positions, get membership in local school boards. Train Muslims as doctors to dominate the medical field, research and pharmaceutical companies. Ever notice how many doctors in America are Muslim, when their countries of origin need them more desperately?

    9. Accelerate Islamic demographic growth via:

    Massive immigration (100,000 annually since 1961)

    Marry American women and Islamize them (10,000 annually)

    Convert angry, alienated black inmates and turn them into militants (2000 released inmates have joined al-Qaida) .

    10. Mosques and student centers (now 1500) should teach hatred of Jews, evangelical Christians and democracy. Hundreds of Muslim schools are firstly loyal to the Quran, not the U.S. Constitution.

    11. Provide grants to colleges and universities in America to establish “Centers for Islamic studies”.

    12. Tell the world that terrorists have hijacked Islam, but not the truth, that Islam hijacked the terrorists.

    13. Appeal to Americans for sympathy towards the Muslims in America, who are portrayed as mainly immigrants from oppressed countries.

    14. Undermine America’s sense of security with misinformation of impending attacks on bridges, tunnels, water supplies, airports, apartment buildings and malls.

    15. Instigate prison riots demanding Islamic Sharia, not America’s justice system.

    16. Increase charities throughout the U.S. but use the funds to support Islamic terrorism.

    17. Raise interest in Islam on college campuses by insisting that freshmen take at least one course on Islam. Be sure that the instructor is American, Christian, scholarly and able to cover up the violence in the Quran while stressing its peaceful, spiritual and religious aspects only.

    18. Consolidate all Muslim lobbies, mosques, Islamic student centers and media via the internet and hold an annual convention to coordinate plans to propagate the faith.

    19. Send intimidating messages to outspoken individuals who are critical of Islam and seek to eliminate them by any means.

    20. Applaud Muslims as loyal citizens of the US, by spotlighting their voting record as the highest percentage of all minority and ethnic groups in America.

    The IHC recommends that you read this article in full.

    Dr. Anis Shorrosh, D.Min, D.Phil, and a member of Oxford Society of Scholars, is a Palestinian Arab Christian American, who is an author, lecturer and producer of documentaries. He is author of “Islam Revealed” and “Islam: A Threat or a Challenge.”


    Source: Sullivan Country


    Abstract written by Giv Cornfield, Ph.D., an IHC volunteer

    Abstract Copyrighted © Israel Hasbara Committee, 19 April 2007

    Edited by IHC staff, www.infoisrael.net

  50. Bryanna said on 27 May 2007 at 10:04 pm:
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    For Mary Hill.
    This is an analysis of the Islamic invasion of America, the agenda of Islamists and visible methods to take over America by the year 2020! Will Americans continue to sleep through this invasion as they did when we were attacked on 9/11? http://www.sullivan-county.com/immigration/rob_nothink.htm

  51. freedom said on 28 May 2007 at 6:58 am:
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    Ari, it’s clearly already underway….but under the guise of “political correctness.”

  52. anon said on 28 May 2007 at 12:39 pm:
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    Hey, I bet Faisal is trying to infiltrate the Democrat Party too. That’s why his law partner is a liberal dem. And that’s why a big chunk of his cash is from democrats.

    Yeah that’s it…

  53. NoVA Scout said on 28 May 2007 at 12:47 pm:
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    This person pretending to be Mary Hill should cease and desist (there are probably a lot of “Mary Hills”, but I’m assuming the intent of these comments is to appear to be the former PWC supervisor). The poor woman had enough troubles without someone gratuitously trying to make her out to look like a completely gullible, out-of-touch scatterbrain. She’s out of the public eye now and deserves some respite from her past troubles. This kind of brutal parody is pointless. I have no problem with pseudonymous postings, in fact I think they encourage free debate. But taking someone else’s name and using it to put that person in a bad light is highly unethical.

  54. Jonathan Mark said on 28 May 2007 at 1:12 pm:
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    Apologies to the real Mary Hill.

  55. the real Mary Hill, stated under oath said on 28 May 2007 at 9:51 pm:
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    It is ironic that the prominent member of the PWRC who passed the info to me regarding Faisil leaving his job is someone who does not support Faisil’s candidacy but now feels that Faisil is being wrongly accused. And as I said, I do not know if the info is true or not regarding his leaving DHS. I just wouldn’t be surprised to learn that in fact it was true. And if it is not true, I won’t be the first person to have floated something untrue about Faisil - only the first of such comments to be positive for Faisil.

    As for the ludicrous charges that Faisil is spying on Democrats or in league with Democrats - Many Republicans work in fields or are principals in firms where they deal directly with governemts. The success of those businesses depends on them being able to work with people of both parties and Independents. A strategy for their success is to employ or have co-principals who are Democrats. It is common for business partners to financially support the political endeavors of their partners if for no other reason than friendship and mutual trust. So be realistic. Most candidates I have ever known take money from wherever they can get it, except I know that I did not take developer money like Marty. Democrat money, yeah. I think I may have had some of that. But not nearly a small fraction of that collected by people like Sean. And please don’t try to convince me that a school board member doesn’t have support from liberal teacher organizations??? If Republicans never got contributions or votes from any liberals or Democrats, they’d never win. The same goes with Republican voters support going to Democrats. Do the math.

    Some of you just had to get personal. Guess it is just one of your character flaws and you can’t help yourselves. No, I am not out of touch or a scatter brain. Another person to whom I have been posting but yet disagrees with my support of Faisil called me a critical thinker. I gradualted magnum cum laude and have been in too many positions on the inside so believe that I know a smear campaign when I see one. It worked agianst me and apparently there are lots of you who believed that garbage. Thanks NOVA Scout and Jonathan for your concern for my welfare but don’t worry about me. I am well and my family is well. And not being a supervisor is heaven on earth! You don’t see my son in any trouble since I left office. Yes, he made a remarkable, even miraculous transformation the second I lost the election. Give me a break. But you know what - he probably thinks you can all go fly a kite - he has a great job, great credit, bought his own home, and he and Morgan will soon be parents to a beautiful baby boy. Life is good. God is good! Nonetheless, you never saw anything happen to those people who broke the law in their successful efforts to oust me. I’d like to know how you would feel if you were falsely accused by a cop of selling drugs. Probably wouldn’t bother you anymore than the year long investigation at your taxpaying expense to turn up 3 ounces of majijuana and 14 pills or anymore than letting the big drug dealer off to rat out his little guy purchaser. All of this is apparently okay with some of you. JUST WHO IS OUT OF TOUCH HERE??? Certainly, not me. Okay, you got me off base there for a second or too by turning my remarks for Faisil into a personal commentary on me. So not to appear scatterbrained - heaven forbid - back to Faisil.

    Islamic Agenda - absolutely do believe there is such going on. But I also believe that there are many patriotiic American Muslims. Maybe we should put them all in interrment camps just to be sure they can’t hurt us. Oops - there goes America. That would be convenient for the jihadists - just let us destroy ourselves from within. It will save them from blowing themselves up. Maybe I’m just imagining that that is your secret wish - you know - to lock them all up. But no doubt in my mind that some of you definitely, based on your posts, will not support any Muslim for public office.

    Anti-Faisil agenda. Same old muckraking tactics. Create controversy around a candidate regardless of the truth about him personally. If we keep doing that to good people, we’ll have nobody worth voting for.

    Will the real Mary HIll please stand up? Here I am standing tall. Now that that is settled, can you all stop being such scatterbrains and stick to the business at hand?

  56. NoVA Scout said on 28 May 2007 at 10:58 pm:
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    If that’s really Mary Hill who thinks Mr. Gill is on an undercover mission for the government to spy on his law and business partners, you have my condolences and prayers. If it’s someone using her name and trying to make the former supervisor from the Coles district look like an easy mark, I say cut it out. It’s not funny.

  57. John Light said on 28 May 2007 at 11:17 pm:
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    Mary Hill wrote: “And Julie claiming ownership of a piece of legislation as if she wrote and passed it herself. Give me a break. Lots of people supported and lobbied for that bill.”

    Mary, I believe you need to get your facts straight. Julie was the SOLE person behind House Bill 1294 (2001). She led all of the meetings, discussions, testified, and “lobbied” the VA House and Senate on behalf of this bill. She met with PWC Delegates and one ended up putting her bill forward, but it was Julie who led the charge to gain support of the bill and was completely succesful without a single “no” vote against it. THAT is effectiveness, something the entire 51st District would benefit from.

    And to quote from a Faisal Gill mailer (with MINOR editing but no word changing), “No Way!!! Julie Lucas!!!! Should She Be Our Delegate???” Yes, Faisal “Al Gore 2000″ Gill, she should!!!

  58. Anonymous said on 28 May 2007 at 11:32 pm:
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    Faisal Gill could give his own response. We have not heard from him.

  59. Mary HIll said on 28 May 2007 at 11:39 pm:
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    I never said that Faisil was on an undercover mission to spy on his law and business partners. Don’t put words in my mouth. And I never said that he was spying on anyone, only that it was told to me that he was being used as an insider source and I said that I didn’t know if that was true. Who knows what groups he may have had access to with the full knowledge of the U. S. Govt. and what info he may have relayed. That would all be top secret stuff that Faisil and DHS could never publicly comment on. And also as I said, the issue was to get him out of DHS - I never said he had to go into some kind of hiding or stay out of public life Stop twisting my words. That is all you seem to know how to do. Okay, you don’t like Faisil. Great for you. But stop making false charges against him and stop twisting the truth. He has been found guilty of nothing - and by the way - neither have I. Of course that conclusion came too late for me. I just don’t want it to come too late for someone else. But I see I’ll have no success in stopping false allegations against Faisil. Reason is dead in your heads. Hey, this is vastly more catchy than calling me a scatterbrain - I’ll just call you “dead heads”. Keep your prayers. You need them more than I do.

  60. Mary HIll said on 28 May 2007 at 11:51 pm:
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    For John LIght
    Thank you for informing me of Julie’s record on this piece of legislation. I’m sure others lobbied hard as well, but I will accept that Julie led the charge. And as I said, I always believed she had an excellent record on the school board. However, it changes nothing for me. Integrity counts first. She said she would run a positive campaign. She could have stuck to her accomplishments and I would have stayed silent. But she didn’t. She reneged on that promise. And frankly, I just don’t have the stomach anymore for people who smear others for their personal gain. She didn’t need to do it and she pushed me into Faisil’s corner. It is wrong to refer people to read about false charges against Faisil of which he has been four times cleared. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. If the devil appeared to me announcing he was the devil, I would tell him to take a hike. If someone cloaks themselves in good deeds and has no integrity, it is easier to be taken in. I’m not going to do it. I am repulsed by her mailers. But I defer to you and stand corrected on the legislation issue. Thanks for your thoughtful response.

  61. Greg L said on 29 May 2007 at 12:40 am:
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    Just what “charges” has Faisal Gill been cleared of four times? That he did not wrongly disclose his association with the AMC on his security clearance form? I’ve acknowledged that a statement was issued in 2004 by DHS investigators saying that Faisal Gill had not done anything wrong by stating that he was employed by AG Consulting rather than the AMC and the Islamic Institute, although the information appears to contradict his earlier ethics disclosures and the timing might be suspicious. Still those statements have been issued, and no one to my knowledge has denied that they have been.

    Has Faisal Gill not been employed by, or been a law partner of Asim Ghafoor since 2001, except during the time he was employed by DHS? Did Faisal Gill not participate in a walkout from a White House meeting in protest of the Secret Service raising objections to the presence of Sami Al-Arian’s son? Was Faisal not lobbying on behalf of the AMC at the time Abdurahman Alamoudi was declaring himself a supporter of Hezbollah and Hamas in front of the white house? Was Faisal Gill not engaged in coordinating AMC’s policy when they told Muslims not to talk to the FBI?

    What is it exactly about Alan Gura’s article that you believe is false? I’m missing it.

  62. Jonathan Mark said on 29 May 2007 at 7:18 am:
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    “”"I never said that Faisil was on an undercover mission to spy on his law and business partners. Don’t put words in my mouth. And I never said that he was spying on anyone, only that it was told to me that he was being used as an insider source”"”

    If, according to you, Faisal was being used as “an insider source” then he was spying. If Faisal was spying than he was being used as “an insider source.”

    The two statements “Faisal was a spy” and “Faisal was an insider source” are equivalent.

    “”"and I said that I didn’t know if that was true. Who knows what groups he may have had access to with the full knowledge of the U. S. Govt. and what info he may have relayed.”"”

    Again, the reference to “info he may have relayed” means that you are asserting that Faisal was a spy.

  63. anon said on 29 May 2007 at 9:27 am:
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    Hmmm, Faisal Gill a spy… who had to leave Homeland Security because his life was in danger…


    Either “someone” is living in Fantasyland


    she has put Faisal’s life in jeopardy by revealing to the world that he spied on terrorist sympathizers

  64. Watching said on 29 May 2007 at 10:03 am:
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    Methinks Mary doth protest too much.

    Don’t be fooled. Mary was never a Lucas supporter.

    Mary is one of those who believe that this is a conspiracy against Gill, started just after 9-11. All of these respected authors, writers, commentators, and even the public record, are in this together to destroy Gill. James Young is another. Oldie believes this too. Charles is the worst of the bunch.

    If Gill is nominated, the Dems have an excellent chance to take and hold this seat for a long, long time. Gill is the “perfect storm” of bad candidates.

  65. Anonymous said on 29 May 2007 at 10:04 am:
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    Faisal Gill was going to speak before national Muslim conferences and saying he works at the Department of Homeland Security. He also said his brother works for the FBI. How could Faisal Gill be a spy?

    He would have certainly blown his cover at the Muslim conferences where many extremists go.

    According to Gary Aldrich, former FBI agent and author of Unlimited Access: An FBI Agent Inside the Clinton White House, Gary was an undercover agent who infiltrated many groups.

    Yet he is a public figure who life could have been “in danger” . He didn’t leave the agency until he was ready to retire. I am sure Mr. Aldrich had all sorts of enemies in the Clinton White House, yet he didn’t run away. Instead Gary went on the offensive and exposed corruption at the highest levels. Gary Aldrich didn’t join the Clinton cool aid drinkers.

    Oliver North had real terrorists out to kill him because he actually captured terrorists.

    I find it hard to believe that Faisal would leave the protection of the DHS with all of the security guards for the safety of the campaign trail.

  66. John Light said on 29 May 2007 at 1:07 pm:
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    Mary Hill wrote:”And frankly, I just don’t have the stomach anymore for people who smear others for their personal gain.”

    Ok, then you must be DISGUSTED by the outright lie from the Faisal camp when they made the phone calls and said that Julie supports abortion. NOTHING could be further from the truth!!! Ms. Lucas is very much pro-life and pro 2nd Amendment.

    Faisal also has recently said that she has attacked his lobbying firm because they support cancer research. Again, lies. She attacks the firm because of who they support (read, those with terrorist ties).

    So, if you are to be consistent, while I may not agree with you as far as Ms. Lucas is concerned, then you should be even MORE disgusted by the lies from the Faisal camp.

    Apology on the other topic accepted, thank you.

  67. John Light said on 29 May 2007 at 1:08 pm:
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    Just wondering…has ANYONE seen the movie “No Way Out”??? lol

  68. James Young said on 30 May 2007 at 11:31 am:
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    Thank you, “Watching,” for that comment on what I and others “believe.” It’s nice to see that you’ve gotten around that whole problem about “making windows into men’s souls” that so bedeviled Elizabeth I.

    Of course, it’s abundantly clear that you have utterly no idea what you’re talking about.

  69. John Light said on 31 May 2007 at 10:43 pm:
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    Jim, how is it you write about Julie “Yet there is no doubt whatsoever that Julie has previously associated herself” yet, when we bring up Faisal’s past, and current, associations with Terrorist or Terrorist supporting organizations, you write “Guilt by association” and dismiss it???

    Please be consistent, ok?

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