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	<title>Comments on: 51st District Appeal Possibilities</title>
	<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/03/51st-district-appeal-possibilities/</link>
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		<title>By: freedom</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/03/51st-district-appeal-possibilities/#comment-13114</link>
		<dc:creator>freedom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 18:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/03/51st-district-appeal-possibilities/#comment-13114</guid>
		<description>...me too, John, but there's a new battle, and this time, it's a patient, incremental offensive being waged within our own country.  The sad part is that it goes on while America sleeps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;me too, John, but there&#8217;s a new battle, and this time, it&#8217;s a patient, incremental offensive being waged within our own country.  The sad part is that it goes on while America sleeps.</p>
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		<title>By: John Light</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/03/51st-district-appeal-possibilities/#comment-13096</link>
		<dc:creator>John Light</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 17:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/03/51st-district-appeal-possibilities/#comment-13096</guid>
		<description>Ari wrote: "Help Save the United States of America, land of the free, home of the brave. I will fight for the freedom and safety of this country, my children and grandchildren."

Well, as someone who DID fight for the freedom of this country, let's just say that at least I, for one (and NOT speaking about you, Ari), could at least fit into my uniform - lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ari wrote: &#8220;Help Save the United States of America, land of the free, home of the brave. I will fight for the freedom and safety of this country, my children and grandchildren.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, as someone who DID fight for the freedom of this country, let&#8217;s just say that at least I, for one (and NOT speaking about you, Ari), could at least fit into my uniform - lol</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/03/51st-district-appeal-possibilities/#comment-13094</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 16:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/03/51st-district-appeal-possibilities/#comment-13094</guid>
		<description>"""Only the Republican’s can save this Country""" 

No one is going to save anything with incompetently run conventions that produce overvotes in three of fifteen (20 percent!) precincts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8221;"Only the Republican’s can save this Country&#8221;"&#8221; </p>
<p>No one is going to save anything with incompetently run conventions that produce overvotes in three of fifteen (20 percent!) precincts.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryanna</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/03/51st-district-appeal-possibilities/#comment-13077</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 15:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/03/51st-district-appeal-possibilities/#comment-13077</guid>
		<description>DownwiththeGOP said on 6 Jun 2007 at 9:45 pm: "This racism against Muslims is typical of the Republican Party, and it’s history of racism against all minorities. Vote Democrat!"

Only the Republican's can save this Country. Democrats are weak on foreign policy, military funding and preparedness, and immigration.  Could that be why you want us to vote Democrat?  Or am I being racist again?  By the way, were you the person at the 51st convention who yelled out, vote Democrat?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DownwiththeGOP said on 6 Jun 2007 at 9:45 pm: &#8220;This racism against Muslims is typical of the Republican Party, and it’s history of racism against all minorities. Vote Democrat!&#8221;</p>
<p>Only the Republican&#8217;s can save this Country. Democrats are weak on foreign policy, military funding and preparedness, and immigration.  Could that be why you want us to vote Democrat?  Or am I being racist again?  By the way, were you the person at the 51st convention who yelled out, vote Democrat?</p>
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		<title>By: Bryanna</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/03/51st-district-appeal-possibilities/#comment-13073</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 14:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/03/51st-district-appeal-possibilities/#comment-13073</guid>
		<description>Freedom said on 5 Jun 2007 at 4:06 pm: "I just want to keep what we have for my children and grandchildren…and will die trying."

DITTO FREEDOM!  Your statement cuts to the core and says all that needs to be said.  I am right beside you in this fight.  We're officially an army of two.  Who else wants to join us?

Help Save the United States of America, land of the free, home of the brave.  I will fight for the freedom and safety of this country, my children and grandchildren.

BTW...Fred Thompson gets it too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Freedom said on 5 Jun 2007 at 4:06 pm: &#8220;I just want to keep what we have for my children and grandchildren…and will die trying.&#8221;</p>
<p>DITTO FREEDOM!  Your statement cuts to the core and says all that needs to be said.  I am right beside you in this fight.  We&#8217;re officially an army of two.  Who else wants to join us?</p>
<p>Help Save the United States of America, land of the free, home of the brave.  I will fight for the freedom and safety of this country, my children and grandchildren.</p>
<p>BTW&#8230;Fred Thompson gets it too.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/03/51st-district-appeal-possibilities/#comment-13047</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 04:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/03/51st-district-appeal-possibilities/#comment-13047</guid>
		<description>Muslims are not a race, it is a religion. It is the terrorism stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Muslims are not a race, it is a religion. It is the terrorism stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: DownwiththeGOP</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/03/51st-district-appeal-possibilities/#comment-13011</link>
		<dc:creator>DownwiththeGOP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 01:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/03/51st-district-appeal-possibilities/#comment-13011</guid>
		<description>This racism against Muslims is typical of the Republican Party, and it's history of racism against all minorities.  Vote Democrat!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This racism against Muslims is typical of the Republican Party, and it&#8217;s history of racism against all minorities.  Vote Democrat!</p>
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		<title>By: CONVA</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/03/51st-district-appeal-possibilities/#comment-12895</link>
		<dc:creator>CONVA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 20:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/03/51st-district-appeal-possibilities/#comment-12895</guid>
		<description>The Islamists have made the first step in PWC.  Look for foot baths in the public schools soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Islamists have made the first step in PWC.  Look for foot baths in the public schools soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/03/51st-district-appeal-possibilities/#comment-12893</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 20:37:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/03/51st-district-appeal-possibilities/#comment-12893</guid>
		<description>Faisal after 9-11 was still employed by Alamoudi's AMC. He would not have specifically expressed opposition to Hamas's suicide-bombing policy, which was then in full swing.

So yes, in an alternate universe an alternate Faisal Gill working for an alternate American Muslim Council could perhaps have done what you said, but the real Faisal Gill was in no position to do so, at least while he was working for Alamoudi's AMC. 

Remember it was in August 2000 that Alamoudi stood in front of the White House and proclaimed himself and the crowd members of Hamas and Hezbullah. 

If Faisal as AMC chief lobbyist had specifically named Hamas and called it terrorist Faisal would have been escorted from the AMC building. His employement would have terminated immediately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Faisal after 9-11 was still employed by Alamoudi&#8217;s AMC. He would not have specifically expressed opposition to Hamas&#8217;s suicide-bombing policy, which was then in full swing.</p>
<p>So yes, in an alternate universe an alternate Faisal Gill working for an alternate American Muslim Council could perhaps have done what you said, but the real Faisal Gill was in no position to do so, at least while he was working for Alamoudi&#8217;s AMC. </p>
<p>Remember it was in August 2000 that Alamoudi stood in front of the White House and proclaimed himself and the crowd members of Hamas and Hezbullah. </p>
<p>If Faisal as AMC chief lobbyist had specifically named Hamas and called it terrorist Faisal would have been escorted from the AMC building. His employement would have terminated immediately.</p>
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		<title>By: freedom</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/03/51st-district-appeal-possibilities/#comment-12892</link>
		<dc:creator>freedom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 20:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/03/51st-district-appeal-possibilities/#comment-12892</guid>
		<description>but Jonathan, despite the "Faisal Gill History," don't you agree that he could have made some BIG points...i mean BIG POINTS for himself, would have spared his supporting political leaders (Kopko, Stewar, Cuccinelli, Lingamfelter, McQuigg, Bolling and May) and enlightened our our entire nation, by activly and publicly denouncing those Islamic extremists who wish to kill us and overtake our country?  It seems to me that it would have been soooooooo easy for him to eliminate the stereotype.  Of course, some will think i'm being racist in saying that, but I'm not....I just want to keep what we have for my children and grandchildren...and will die trying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>but Jonathan, despite the &#8220;Faisal Gill History,&#8221; don&#8217;t you agree that he could have made some BIG points&#8230;i mean BIG POINTS for himself, would have spared his supporting political leaders (Kopko, Stewar, Cuccinelli, Lingamfelter, McQuigg, Bolling and May) and enlightened our our entire nation, by activly and publicly denouncing those Islamic extremists who wish to kill us and overtake our country?  It seems to me that it would have been soooooooo easy for him to eliminate the stereotype.  Of course, some will think i&#8217;m being racist in saying that, but I&#8217;m not&#8230;.I just want to keep what we have for my children and grandchildren&#8230;and will die trying.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/03/51st-district-appeal-possibilities/#comment-12876</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 17:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/03/51st-district-appeal-possibilities/#comment-12876</guid>
		<description>What is worse, those organizations included the imprisoned Abdurahman Alamoudi's American Muslim Council.  Indeed, I am unaware of Faisal working for ANY Muslim organization that was NOT founded, funded or led by the terrorist Alamoudi.

There may have been some, but I am not aware of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is worse, those organizations included the imprisoned Abdurahman Alamoudi&#8217;s American Muslim Council.  Indeed, I am unaware of Faisal working for ANY Muslim organization that was NOT founded, funded or led by the terrorist Alamoudi.</p>
<p>There may have been some, but I am not aware of them.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/03/51st-district-appeal-possibilities/#comment-12862</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 16:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/03/51st-district-appeal-possibilities/#comment-12862</guid>
		<description>I didn't hear the chanting. But I winced when Gill said he worked for some muslim organizations and was PROUD of his work. 

He would have been smart to hold some peace rally or give a victory speech to unite the party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t hear the chanting. But I winced when Gill said he worked for some muslim organizations and was PROUD of his work. </p>
<p>He would have been smart to hold some peace rally or give a victory speech to unite the party.</p>
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		<title>By: Loudoun Insider</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/03/51st-district-appeal-possibilities/#comment-12854</link>
		<dc:creator>Loudoun Insider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 14:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/03/51st-district-appeal-possibilities/#comment-12854</guid>
		<description>Were they really chanting allahu akbar?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Were they really chanting allahu akbar?</p>
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		<title>By: freedom</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/03/51st-district-appeal-possibilities/#comment-12835</link>
		<dc:creator>freedom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 10:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/03/51st-district-appeal-possibilities/#comment-12835</guid>
		<description>Just this morning, I was thinking about the Faisal Gill campaign for the 51st District HOD seat...  

Can you imagine, I mean, even IMAGINE the power and the unifying force the Gill campaign would have enjoyed if he were to have led a good faith "World Peace March" ... or hosted a "World Peace Rally," for ALL Americans -- Republican, Democrat, Muslims, Christians, Jews...it makes no difference -- deploring and denouncing the terrorist threat and actions of Islamic Extremists in this country and around the world?  Ft Dix and Kennedy Airport are two recent examples of the threat.

If Faisal Gill HAD organized such a rally, there would be little work for those who now call for Republican Party unity behind Faisal Gill.  Americans of all faiths and all political parties would have been behind him and November would be a cake-walk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just this morning, I was thinking about the Faisal Gill campaign for the 51st District HOD seat&#8230;  </p>
<p>Can you imagine, I mean, even IMAGINE the power and the unifying force the Gill campaign would have enjoyed if he were to have led a good faith &#8220;World Peace March&#8221; &#8230; or hosted a &#8220;World Peace Rally,&#8221; for ALL Americans &#8212; Republican, Democrat, Muslims, Christians, Jews&#8230;it makes no difference &#8212; deploring and denouncing the terrorist threat and actions of Islamic Extremists in this country and around the world?  Ft Dix and Kennedy Airport are two recent examples of the threat.</p>
<p>If Faisal Gill HAD organized such a rally, there would be little work for those who now call for Republican Party unity behind Faisal Gill.  Americans of all faiths and all political parties would have been behind him and November would be a cake-walk.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg L</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/03/51st-district-appeal-possibilities/#comment-12828</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 04:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/03/51st-district-appeal-possibilities/#comment-12828</guid>
		<description>Anon, I agree, but I think that Ari's concerns could have been stated in another and somewhat less inflammatory way.  I'm not one to start shouting racism, as that smear is wrongly used against me on a regular basis.  What I'm hoping for is to clean that up with a differently worded comment where the valid criticisms are more evident and the stuff about allah is toned down a bit.

The criticism behind all that, which I fear might get lost in the rhetoric, is that the convention looked like a pakistani community rally rather than a Republican convention, and I doubt many Republicans would be pleased with what happened especially after it ended.  It doesn't reflect well on the party to have victory celebrations that look more like middle eastern protests than the kind of genteel political conventions that are more appropriate in Virginia.

Besides, these folks spoke urdu, and I believe 'allahu akbar' is arabic.  I wasn't there after it ended, so I'm not sure, but I would be surprised if that is what they were chanting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon, I agree, but I think that Ari&#8217;s concerns could have been stated in another and somewhat less inflammatory way.  I&#8217;m not one to start shouting racism, as that smear is wrongly used against me on a regular basis.  What I&#8217;m hoping for is to clean that up with a differently worded comment where the valid criticisms are more evident and the stuff about allah is toned down a bit.</p>
<p>The criticism behind all that, which I fear might get lost in the rhetoric, is that the convention looked like a pakistani community rally rather than a Republican convention, and I doubt many Republicans would be pleased with what happened especially after it ended.  It doesn&#8217;t reflect well on the party to have victory celebrations that look more like middle eastern protests than the kind of genteel political conventions that are more appropriate in Virginia.</p>
<p>Besides, these folks spoke urdu, and I believe &#8216;allahu akbar&#8217; is arabic.  I wasn&#8217;t there after it ended, so I&#8217;m not sure, but I would be surprised if that is what they were chanting.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/03/51st-district-appeal-possibilities/#comment-12827</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 04:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/03/51st-district-appeal-possibilities/#comment-12827</guid>
		<description>I frankly have gotten tired of the ignorant comments about “racism” on this blog.  It’s clearly (as it usually) a veiled attempt to impugn the opposing side with no recourse.  In other words, if I cry racism, all my opponent can do is play defense- that’s why it’s such a crucial card to play.  Having said that, I’d tired of the ignorance espoused on this blog by several smoke blowers.  Arab, Middle Eastern, Muslim does NOT equal a RACE.  Those are nationalities and religious qualifications.  So, if you want to pin something on a poster, or BVBL for being “insensitive” (first go cry us a river) then you better know the difference between racism and intolerance.  Even at that, simply pointing out problems that occur on a particular group of people who happen to be of a certain ethnicity or religion, does NOT make said person intolerant or racist- it would be more apt to refer to them as observant- so long as they can make a case for their argument.  Either way, thus far, everyone’s calls to racism have been not only flailing attempts to divert the issue, but are also ludicrous and utterly specious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I frankly have gotten tired of the ignorant comments about “racism” on this blog.  It’s clearly (as it usually) a veiled attempt to impugn the opposing side with no recourse.  In other words, if I cry racism, all my opponent can do is play defense- that’s why it’s such a crucial card to play.  Having said that, I’d tired of the ignorance espoused on this blog by several smoke blowers.  Arab, Middle Eastern, Muslim does NOT equal a RACE.  Those are nationalities and religious qualifications.  So, if you want to pin something on a poster, or BVBL for being “insensitive” (first go cry us a river) then you better know the difference between racism and intolerance.  Even at that, simply pointing out problems that occur on a particular group of people who happen to be of a certain ethnicity or religion, does NOT make said person intolerant or racist- it would be more apt to refer to them as observant- so long as they can make a case for their argument.  Either way, thus far, everyone’s calls to racism have been not only flailing attempts to divert the issue, but are also ludicrous and utterly specious.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/03/51st-district-appeal-possibilities/#comment-12824</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 03:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/03/51st-district-appeal-possibilities/#comment-12824</guid>
		<description>"""Johnathan Mark…

Would you please send all your documentation on Faisal Gill’s history to a lawyer here in the 51st District? His name is Paul Nichols. Thanks."""



I will prepare a bibliography of the case against Gill and list the sources used. I will put it online as GoodbyeFaisal.com and invite others, including Mr. Nichols, to use it. 

It should be online sometime next week. Thanks for the encouragement!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8221;"Johnathan Mark…</p>
<p>Would you please send all your documentation on Faisal Gill’s history to a lawyer here in the 51st District? His name is Paul Nichols. Thanks.&#8221;"&#8221;</p>
<p>I will prepare a bibliography of the case against Gill and list the sources used. I will put it online as GoodbyeFaisal.com and invite others, including Mr. Nichols, to use it. </p>
<p>It should be online sometime next week. Thanks for the encouragement!</p>
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		<title>By: Greg L</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/03/51st-district-appeal-possibilities/#comment-12821</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 03:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/03/51st-district-appeal-possibilities/#comment-12821</guid>
		<description>How about you give it a shot &#038; I will edit.  OK?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about you give it a shot &#038; I will edit.  OK?</p>
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		<title>By: Bryanna</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/03/51st-district-appeal-possibilities/#comment-12820</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 03:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/03/51st-district-appeal-possibilities/#comment-12820</guid>
		<description>Mixing politics and religion walks a fine line. I've never known anyone to attend a committee meeting and during the meeting break out in chants of Jesus is great,  but there is always a first.  Not that I would care one way or the other if someone actually did it. It's a free country.  America is great!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mixing politics and religion walks a fine line. I&#8217;ve never known anyone to attend a committee meeting and during the meeting break out in chants of Jesus is great,  but there is always a first.  Not that I would care one way or the other if someone actually did it. It&#8217;s a free country.  America is great!</p>
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		<title>By: Bryanna</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/03/51st-district-appeal-possibilities/#comment-12818</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 03:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/03/51st-district-appeal-possibilities/#comment-12818</guid>
		<description>Sure Greg, it absolutely isn't intended to be racist so feel free to edit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure Greg, it absolutely isn&#8217;t intended to be racist so feel free to edit.</p>
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