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	<title>Comments on: An Unrealistic Solution</title>
	<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/04/an-unrealistic-solution/</link>
	<description>Blog-Fu for Prince William, Manassas and Manassas Park politics.</description>
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		<title>By: freedom</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/04/an-unrealistic-solution/#comment-13487</link>
		<dc:creator>freedom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2007 19:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/04/an-unrealistic-solution/#comment-13487</guid>
		<description>Jonathan said....

"I don’t know what to do about it. Do you have any ideas."

Yep, sure do, Jonathan....but aside from talking to others between now and then, we really can't act until November...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan said&#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8220;I don’t know what to do about it. Do you have any ideas.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yep, sure do, Jonathan&#8230;.but aside from talking to others between now and then, we really can&#8217;t act until November&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: GOP Stalwart</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/04/an-unrealistic-solution/#comment-13474</link>
		<dc:creator>GOP Stalwart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2007 15:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/04/an-unrealistic-solution/#comment-13474</guid>
		<description>Mr. Young, I'm curious to know what you think should've been done about the over-voted precincts?  The general consensus is that they should've been thrown out, would you agree?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Young, I&#8217;m curious to know what you think should&#8217;ve been done about the over-voted precincts?  The general consensus is that they should&#8217;ve been thrown out, would you agree?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/04/an-unrealistic-solution/#comment-13471</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2007 13:44:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/04/an-unrealistic-solution/#comment-13471</guid>
		<description>At the very least, we need to make sure McQuigg is not elected to office again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the very least, we need to make sure McQuigg is not elected to office again.</p>
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		<title>By: Barbara Cummings</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/04/an-unrealistic-solution/#comment-13450</link>
		<dc:creator>Barbara Cummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2007 01:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/04/an-unrealistic-solution/#comment-13450</guid>
		<description>A lot of people are fighting mad. I'm one of them. I've sent a letter of angst to the chair of the 11th but I'm not sure what other steps I can take other than having signed a petition along with some other enraged delegates.

It's so very infuriating to see all the signs about the primary coming up on Tuesday and to realize that we could have done it so much more honestly if we had just joined in with the primary. But then, the people who wanted things to go "just their way" would not have been as pleased as they are now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of people are fighting mad. I&#8217;m one of them. I&#8217;ve sent a letter of angst to the chair of the 11th but I&#8217;m not sure what other steps I can take other than having signed a petition along with some other enraged delegates.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s so very infuriating to see all the signs about the primary coming up on Tuesday and to realize that we could have done it so much more honestly if we had just joined in with the primary. But then, the people who wanted things to go &#8220;just their way&#8221; would not have been as pleased as they are now.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/04/an-unrealistic-solution/#comment-13445</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 23:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/04/an-unrealistic-solution/#comment-13445</guid>
		<description>I don't know what to do about it. Do you have any ideas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know what to do about it. Do you have any ideas.</p>
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		<title>By: freedom</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/04/an-unrealistic-solution/#comment-13441</link>
		<dc:creator>freedom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 21:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/04/an-unrealistic-solution/#comment-13441</guid>
		<description>Jonathan said...

"McQuigg’s lack of reported activity regarding the overvotes and her endorsement of Faisal already show that she lacks integrity. Not the sort of person one wants in a court clerk position, actually."

...and so, jonathan, what we gonna do about that?  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan said&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;McQuigg’s lack of reported activity regarding the overvotes and her endorsement of Faisal already show that she lacks integrity. Not the sort of person one wants in a court clerk position, actually.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;and so, jonathan, what we gonna do about that?  <img src='http://www.bvbl.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: AWCheney</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/04/an-unrealistic-solution/#comment-13440</link>
		<dc:creator>AWCheney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 21:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/04/an-unrealistic-solution/#comment-13440</guid>
		<description>The campaigns (including Julie's) should each have a list...be a lot easier than getting anything from Kopko.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The campaigns (including Julie&#8217;s) should each have a list&#8230;be a lot easier than getting anything from Kopko.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/04/an-unrealistic-solution/#comment-13438</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 20:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/04/an-unrealistic-solution/#comment-13438</guid>
		<description>What about many of the other delegates. Are they legal?
Can there average citizen get the list of delegates to double check that they are registered and legal?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about many of the other delegates. Are they legal?<br />
Can there average citizen get the list of delegates to double check that they are registered and legal?</p>
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		<title>By: freedom</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/04/an-unrealistic-solution/#comment-13430</link>
		<dc:creator>freedom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 19:37:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/04/an-unrealistic-solution/#comment-13430</guid>
		<description>No, johathan, that (citizenship or felon status) is still not known on the 17 who got their stuff in late...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, johathan, that (citizenship or felon status) is still not known on the 17 who got their stuff in late&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/04/an-unrealistic-solution/#comment-13398</link>
		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 15:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/04/an-unrealistic-solution/#comment-13398</guid>
		<description>That is a good question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is a good question.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/04/an-unrealistic-solution/#comment-13392</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 14:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/04/an-unrealistic-solution/#comment-13392</guid>
		<description>"""Does anyone know if the credential committee checked citizenship, proof of residence in the 51st, picture ID for the 17 who turned in the voter registration paperwork in time?"""

They also would have needed to check whether the unregistered voter was a felon, since felons can't vote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8221;"Does anyone know if the credential committee checked citizenship, proof of residence in the 51st, picture ID for the 17 who turned in the voter registration paperwork in time?&#8221;"&#8221;</p>
<p>They also would have needed to check whether the unregistered voter was a felon, since felons can&#8217;t vote.</p>
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		<title>By: GOP Stalwart</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/04/an-unrealistic-solution/#comment-13391</link>
		<dc:creator>GOP Stalwart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 13:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/04/an-unrealistic-solution/#comment-13391</guid>
		<description>Some other thoughts on preventing over-votes:  Once registration is closed, credentials KNOWS exactly how many people showed up to participate.  Why would there be more ballots provided to elections than there were people who registered?  In other words if they know there were 50 people who showed up for X precinct, then there should only have been 50 ballots available at that precincts ballot box.  

Another way to do it is only reslease one precinct (or 2 or 3 if they are small turn-out) at a time to vote.  cuts down on the wait in line and any confusion.  Of course the elections folks should've had the registration sheets to check people off as having received a ballot (that they didn't is simply ridiculous).  

In other conventions i've attended it is common practice to have people go back to the credentials check in table to receive their ballot (thus the double check by their name) and then their badge is hole punched (or marked with a permanent marker on the badge, not the plastic where it can be rubbed off) when they put their ballot into the box.

Bottom line, the over-voted precincts should NOT have been counted.  If there is 3 over-votes, why not 23? or 33?  No way to know, so they have to go.  You hate to "disenfranchise" the legitimate voters, but that's what should've been done.  The disenfranchised voters should be angry at those who bungled the process.

Greg L -- you're right on the law of the jungle, but that's why there's an appeal process.  Once an appeal is filed (has there been??) the wheels will turn and I do believe that the party (that i love so much) will ultimately right the wrong here.  However, I'm hearing that there are those who are insisting that the appeal process doesn't start at the next level above (i.e. 11th District) but at the Legislative District Committee level, which in this case is a committee of one.  I don't know if that's true - it would seem ridiculous in this case - but that's the rumor.  So while the wheels may turn, they may be very slow...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some other thoughts on preventing over-votes:  Once registration is closed, credentials KNOWS exactly how many people showed up to participate.  Why would there be more ballots provided to elections than there were people who registered?  In other words if they know there were 50 people who showed up for X precinct, then there should only have been 50 ballots available at that precincts ballot box.  </p>
<p>Another way to do it is only reslease one precinct (or 2 or 3 if they are small turn-out) at a time to vote.  cuts down on the wait in line and any confusion.  Of course the elections folks should&#8217;ve had the registration sheets to check people off as having received a ballot (that they didn&#8217;t is simply ridiculous).  </p>
<p>In other conventions i&#8217;ve attended it is common practice to have people go back to the credentials check in table to receive their ballot (thus the double check by their name) and then their badge is hole punched (or marked with a permanent marker on the badge, not the plastic where it can be rubbed off) when they put their ballot into the box.</p>
<p>Bottom line, the over-voted precincts should NOT have been counted.  If there is 3 over-votes, why not 23? or 33?  No way to know, so they have to go.  You hate to &#8220;disenfranchise&#8221; the legitimate voters, but that&#8217;s what should&#8217;ve been done.  The disenfranchised voters should be angry at those who bungled the process.</p>
<p>Greg L &#8212; you&#8217;re right on the law of the jungle, but that&#8217;s why there&#8217;s an appeal process.  Once an appeal is filed (has there been??) the wheels will turn and I do believe that the party (that i love so much) will ultimately right the wrong here.  However, I&#8217;m hearing that there are those who are insisting that the appeal process doesn&#8217;t start at the next level above (i.e. 11th District) but at the Legislative District Committee level, which in this case is a committee of one.  I don&#8217;t know if that&#8217;s true - it would seem ridiculous in this case - but that&#8217;s the rumor.  So while the wheels may turn, they may be very slow&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Greg L</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/04/an-unrealistic-solution/#comment-13367</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 04:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/04/an-unrealistic-solution/#comment-13367</guid>
		<description>The idea anyone was concerned with the VRA is laughable, given the widespread irregularities that were observed.  The elections committee actually certified a vote where more people voted in three precincts that were eligible to vote.

Once the convention starts, there is no law but that of the jungle in a party primary.  Whoever can fix the outcome the best wins, pure and simple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The idea anyone was concerned with the VRA is laughable, given the widespread irregularities that were observed.  The elections committee actually certified a vote where more people voted in three precincts that were eligible to vote.</p>
<p>Once the convention starts, there is no law but that of the jungle in a party primary.  Whoever can fix the outcome the best wins, pure and simple.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/04/an-unrealistic-solution/#comment-13365</link>
		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 03:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/04/an-unrealistic-solution/#comment-13365</guid>
		<description>Does anyone know if the credential committee checked citizenship, proof of residence in the 51st, picture ID for the 17 who turned in the voter registration paperwork in time?

I wonder because the rules specifically state that you are not yet registered SOLELY because the books are closed.

If those items weren't checked by credentials, then we really have no way of knowing if the "late" paperwork would be the only reason they weren't registered.

Also, I've heard that the credentials committee said that they were being very "lenient" with errors on forms so as not to violate the Voting Rights Act.  If they were indeed being lenient, then they were, in fact, violating the Voting Rights Act.  There is no room for discerning the "intent" of voters such as went on in the Florida debacle.  There are precisely proscribed procedures and they must be followed to a 'T', lest one violate the Voting Rights Act.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone know if the credential committee checked citizenship, proof of residence in the 51st, picture ID for the 17 who turned in the voter registration paperwork in time?</p>
<p>I wonder because the rules specifically state that you are not yet registered SOLELY because the books are closed.</p>
<p>If those items weren&#8217;t checked by credentials, then we really have no way of knowing if the &#8220;late&#8221; paperwork would be the only reason they weren&#8217;t registered.</p>
<p>Also, I&#8217;ve heard that the credentials committee said that they were being very &#8220;lenient&#8221; with errors on forms so as not to violate the Voting Rights Act.  If they were indeed being lenient, then they were, in fact, violating the Voting Rights Act.  There is no room for discerning the &#8220;intent&#8221; of voters such as went on in the Florida debacle.  There are precisely proscribed procedures and they must be followed to a &#8216;T&#8217;, lest one violate the Voting Rights Act.</p>
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		<title>By: CharlieBaggaDoughnuts</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/04/an-unrealistic-solution/#comment-13357</link>
		<dc:creator>CharlieBaggaDoughnuts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 03:06:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/04/an-unrealistic-solution/#comment-13357</guid>
		<description>If James Young ate less he wouldn't look like the Goodyear Blimp.  So, what does that have anything to do with what is right and what is wrong with rigging a convention?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If James Young ate less he wouldn&#8217;t look like the Goodyear Blimp.  So, what does that have anything to do with what is right and what is wrong with rigging a convention?</p>
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		<title>By: James Young</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/04/an-unrealistic-solution/#comment-13353</link>
		<dc:creator>James Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 02:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/04/an-unrealistic-solution/#comment-13353</guid>
		<description>It's hilarious to read the caricatures here.  If you people had spent just a little more time djinning up delegates for Julie than in constructing elaborate fantasies, she might have prevailed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s hilarious to read the caricatures here.  If you people had spent just a little more time djinning up delegates for Julie than in constructing elaborate fantasies, she might have prevailed.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/04/an-unrealistic-solution/#comment-13335</link>
		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 01:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/04/an-unrealistic-solution/#comment-13335</guid>
		<description>Gill may not have that many nuts in his corner. It looks like every muslim came out for Gill and not many other types of people at the convention.

From a practical matter, I am not sure how scores of volunteers dressed in headscarfs walking precincts is going to help the Gill campaign. If these ladies campaign door to door in burkas with face coverings, many voters will not be pleased.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gill may not have that many nuts in his corner. It looks like every muslim came out for Gill and not many other types of people at the convention.</p>
<p>From a practical matter, I am not sure how scores of volunteers dressed in headscarfs walking precincts is going to help the Gill campaign. If these ladies campaign door to door in burkas with face coverings, many voters will not be pleased.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/04/an-unrealistic-solution/#comment-13287</link>
		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 19:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/04/an-unrealistic-solution/#comment-13287</guid>
		<description>Gillespie may step down as chairman of the Virginia Republican Party.

Robert Novak is reporting this 

here.http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=21056</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gillespie may step down as chairman of the Virginia Republican Party.</p>
<p>Robert Novak is reporting this </p>
<p>here.http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=21056</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/04/an-unrealistic-solution/#comment-13274</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 18:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/04/an-unrealistic-solution/#comment-13274</guid>
		<description>Beauchamp could point out that representatives of McQuigg's Credentials committee were supposed to be at the ballot boxes for each precinct. So why did three of fifteen precincts have overvotes?

"She can't run a simple election...don't trust her with the county's legal documents. What if she creates extra, unaccounted for documents like she created  extra, unaccounted for voters at her convention?" I can imagine it now.

I would also be concerned about Sapenita LLC lobbying clients getting access to the courthouse through McQuigg and her pal Faisal.

McQuigg's lack of reported activity regarding the overvotes and her endorsement of Faisal already show that she lacks integrity. Not the sort of person one wants in a court clerk position, actually.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beauchamp could point out that representatives of McQuigg&#8217;s Credentials committee were supposed to be at the ballot boxes for each precinct. So why did three of fifteen precincts have overvotes?</p>
<p>&#8220;She can&#8217;t run a simple election&#8230;don&#8217;t trust her with the county&#8217;s legal documents. What if she creates extra, unaccounted for documents like she created  extra, unaccounted for voters at her convention?&#8221; I can imagine it now.</p>
<p>I would also be concerned about Sapenita LLC lobbying clients getting access to the courthouse through McQuigg and her pal Faisal.</p>
<p>McQuigg&#8217;s lack of reported activity regarding the overvotes and her endorsement of Faisal already show that she lacks integrity. Not the sort of person one wants in a court clerk position, actually.</p>
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		<title>By: AWCheney</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/04/an-unrealistic-solution/#comment-13248</link>
		<dc:creator>AWCheney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 16:03:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/04/an-unrealistic-solution/#comment-13248</guid>
		<description>Maybe she does realize she's been "thrown under the bus" by now...and she can't say she wasn't warned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe she does realize she&#8217;s been &#8220;thrown under the bus&#8221; by now&#8230;and she can&#8217;t say she wasn&#8217;t warned.</p>
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