Believe me I have a less of an agenda than anyone posting comments on this site. My position is obvious. Charlie Deane is lost as a police chief. He cares little about crime rates unless it effects headlines. And his treatment of L.E.O. within his own organization puzzles everyone including local attorneys and leaders of surrounding jurisdictions.

If Glen Hill wins this election the best thing he could do is distance himself from Deane.

Good Time CHarlie

He also seems to relate to Messier, calling him the unwitting “victim” [my words] of Stofferegen. No doubt Stoffy used and abuse him, but he did have a choice – he could have honored his oath of office ( I assume he took one as most cops must do) and did the right thing which was to expose the thief. He chose to be less of a man and cower to the almighty “man in charge”.

The empathy shown has a clear root – if Anonymous was indeed one of Deane’s boys, he also chose to not expose him but cower until retirement. Only now, under cover of a blog, is he speaking of things long past that should have been exposed to the public. What hold remains on him that he is unwilling to challenge the wrongs he speaks of? I worry that there are no warriors left to do the right thing. Anonymous, you do have a choice- make the right one….Bring the issues you seem to carry heavily out to the BOCS of the County Manager -

I disagree with good time Charlie about Hill – I see nothing to suggest Hill is controlled by anybody other than the voters – Deane cannot fire him, or can anybody else, really. Seems like what some call projection – He is projecting what he perceives as the evils of Deane onto Hill because they are both the man in charge. Hill may make a lot of money – he is an executive and executives often get paid well – why make that an issue? From what I see, Hill hasn’t lied yet – the others have done nothing but lie. He should be re-elected.

This is a repeat post FYI -just want all to see.

Bonnie without Clyde…

Thelma without Louise…

Teams of crooks share a reputation….

Then there were all those other endearing activities of his (Stoffregen): Undercutting local law enforcement agencies to get those grants you so proudly mention, which had previously gone to that local law enforcement; demanding ever more funds, even on an “emergency” basis, from the County Board of Supervisors so that he could conduct those un-mandated, and unauthorized, “law enforcement” activities, to the detriment of the mandated duties; handing out deputies’ badges like they were candy to whomever could pay for them, allegedly so that those “special deputies” could perform the mandated duties while the “real deputies” could run amok through the County, competing with the County police to justify all that additional equipment/money the Sheriff was demanding; the list goes on and on.

Your problems, Anonymous, are very obviously with Deane…perhaps you should address them to the appropriate officials. Perhaps you could THEN accomplish something rather than only complaining about it.

There was more coordination between the Sheriff’s Office and the Police Department than within the police Department itself.
When I was employed with the PWCPD there was NO coordination between Special Operations or the Patrol Division for radar enforcement locations. Each division conducted radar enforcement independent of each other. This problem could have been easily resolved by putting enforcement dates and locations on the patrol roll call board. But the Chief’s Office received complaints from citizens regarding officers speeding while on-duty. The C.O.P. decided not to inform patrol officers where the radar stations were established because he wanted them to get caught and the incidents reported to him. One specific incident I remember was radar enforcement on officer traffic in and out of the police academy. In my opinion, the only duplication of services came from with the same department (apparently due to “iron hand” Deane’s internal enforcement).

Giving Glen Hill credit for bringing the Sheriff’s Office and the Police Department together on the same radio channels is misleading. For years Charlie Deane was tasked with fixing a grossly outdated emergency communications system. It wasn’t until Deane faced losing coordination of the program from the BOCS for delaying the project that something was done. A police lieutenant named Scott Dillon was appointed as the head of a radio committee and worked directly with Mike Messier to establish the needs of the Sheriff’s Office within the replacement system.

I don’t want to mislead the public so correct me if the facts told to me by street deputies are incorrect. When Glen Hill came to the Sheriff’s Office, street deputies were ordered to turn in the uniform traffic summons books that were issued to them. The effect of this action was for traffic violators to once again speed past on-duty deputies and commit red light violations with deputies helpless to enforce the observed violation. If this is true, as a citizen of Prince William County, I would be looking to elect another candidate.

My issues with Charlie Deane would not be tied to this election if I knew deputies were at least enforcing observed violations. It is a complete waste of existing assets to have civil process deputies without enforcement authority. They are able to completely enforce state criminal & traffic laws by state constitution. A policy to give street deputies the authority to use their enforcement authority while on-duty would at least show that Glen Hill isn’t controlled by Deane’s vision of the Sheriff’s role in county law enforcement.

I am not advocating the Sheriff compete with the police department. The Memorandum of Understanding (M.O.U.)regarding primary enforcement duties agreed to by the C.O.P. and Sheriff establishes an outline of duties of the two agencies, and it was agreed to by the BOCS. But it does not revoke enforcement authority of deputies. The BOCS does not have the authority to rewrite the state constitution. I am pleading for whoever wins the election to put radar enforcement cabability back into the hands of the Sheriff’s Office.

Before Glen Hill came to office, deputies were stopping and arresting wanted people, suspended drivers, finding drugs in vehicles, and causing drivers to slow down in the presence of deputies. All at no cost to taxpayers. The equipent was obtained by grant money from the state, as well as obtaining money for enforcement details. What a waste not to utilize such an enforcement asset.

I know if Mike Messier were elected, the Sheriff’s Office would begin enforcement of observed violations. I am not that familiar with Fortis but would support him as well if enforcement were part of his platform. I would support Hill if he broke off his current relationship with Charlie Deane and put enforcement back into the hands of deputies. But that cannot not occur until the current M.O.U. expires. And under Glen Hill there have been no guarantees that he will change it.

Good Time Charlie

I was also there with Glen from the beginning and I echo what the previous commenter said (NOTE: regarding familiarity with Glen’s campaign from the beginning, from the other thread), however, that does not preclude the validity of the information about Chief Deane that Anonymous is putting forward. He has been attracting some public attention himself lately with his lack of support for the ICE training and control of the illegal alien problem, as well as this ridiculous policy granting criminal illegal aliens greater rights than the citizenry (they can check a citizen out, up one side and down the other, but can’t check out possible illegals??). “Sanctuary” my glutious maximus!

Anyway, back to the subject: Any problems here with assistance from the Sheriff’s Department in supplementing enforcement fall squarely on the shoulders of Chief Deane, and not Glen Hill. The official policy for the Sheriff in this county is that he is to provide deputies only at the request of the head of the local law enforcement agency (City or County Police). This is precisely to prevent redundancy; however, if there are needs in the County Police Department, it should be incumbent upon the Chief to request that assistance. Glen is doing exactly what he should be…to do otherwise (as Stoffregen did) would create chaos, and did (I witnessed quite a few examples of that during the last Sheriff’s race, with Deputies and County Police competing with each other).

I would not be at all surprised to hear that Deane should be replaced…actually, I’ve heard it from more than one person. You need to address this to the County Board of Supervisors, and an election year is a really good time to do it, but don’t lay this at the feet of Glen Hill…it doesn’t belong there.

At this point, instead of using incompatible radio equipment, Deputy Sheriffs are on the same frequencies and use the same equipment as the PWC Police Department. If the police department requires assistance, it is much easier now for them to obtain it than at any time in the past because officers of the police department and deputies can effectively communicate. I would believe that the ability of the police department to obtain immediate assistance is greater now than at any time in the past.

When our previous Sheriff was increasing the involvement of his street deputies in routine traffic enforcement, county park security checks, and back-up for county police officers, Charlie Deane became angry. Instead of embracing these efforts as help for a police department which struggled just to keep up with calls for service, the Chief publicly addressed the Sheriff’s Office efforts as, “duplication of services.” But within the department he was directing police supervisors to make sure they “protected police turf” by keeping deputies away from police calls and county parks. As a police supervisor for Charlie Deane I only wanted more patrol officers to keep from drowning from the demand for police response(s). I welcomed the involvement of the Sheriff’s Office.

Many do not know that it was Charlie Deane who encouraged Glen Hill to run for Sheriff during the last election. It was a classic power play move on Deane’s part to rid the county of a law enforcement official who refused to answer to him.

I like Glen Hill. I found him to be very helpful while conducting investigations involving the county jail. But I never thought he would be an effective elected offical. To point to how much Charlie Deane influences policy over Glen Hill, you only need to count the number of staff members appointed to the Sheriff’s Office coming directly from Charlie Deane’s staff.

Collectively, their first order of business after the election, was to have radar units collected from deputies, and memorandums issued which ended the involvement of increased enforcement and protection. This doesn’t sound like progress to me. The only achievement this action created was to give the Chief of Police the absolute power he craved.

I have worked with Mike Messier. I find him to be a very fair and smart person when dealing with internal issues. His past decisions inside the Sheriff’s Office as the Chief Deputy have shown he posesses the common sense necessary to deal with other agencies at both local and state levels. Under his direction deputies had few complaints, and all the deputies I know who are currently in the Sheriff’s Office support him.

I would love to see our current Sheriff debate Mike Messier. It would leave voters with no doubt making him Sheriff would improve law enforcement in Prince William. The influence that Charlie Deane has on the Sheriff’s Office has to be broken. I have heard Charlie Deane say, “I make decisions based on the potential headlines they create.” Based on the current morale and retention problems he has this statement does not include right & wrong and a sense of fair play. The staff of the Sheriff’s Office has had too much exposure to “fire first, ask questions later” mentality of our current Chief.

For Glen Hill’s lack of proactive measures on the street, and keeping a troubled Police Chief happy, he should expect to lose his current position. Prince William needs deputies helping an understaffed and inexperienced police presence on the street. This will never be achieved with our current Police Chief or Sheriff.

Disclosure: I do not currently hold a law enforcement position, nor desire it.

Good Time Charlie

There is other data I think would expose how effective Charlie Deane is as a leader. Arrests numbers through self-initiated contact. When he became C.O.P. the PWCPD was a great place to work, and few sworn members turned in their badge. Street officers used to pride themselves in finding criminals in the act of committing crimes. Slowly I watched Deane change the street mentality of enforcement measures. He immediately changed the direction of internal issues by having the Internal investigations Unit report directly to him instead of being independent from administration influence. More power and influence was achieved by this move. He could now direct and influence the outcome of any investigation. Over time, several great public servants have had investigations work against them for what appears to be a simple lack of regard Deane had for them. But it appears his personal campaigns against his officers has caught up to him. After observing several “good cops” get insanely disciplined for acts which should have produced positive recognition or valor awards (Andrew Cornell fighting for his life while immigrants attacked), it appears street officers have gone into employment survival mode by staying in their cars.

My understanding of this incident from reliable sources was that his first back-up remained with his police car waiting for additional help while Cornell was getting beaten by numerous hispanic subjects. The unwillingness of the initial back-up to get involved was a major factor in the need to use deadly force. While defending himself during the investigation, Cornell demanded that charges of cowardice be placed against the back-up officer. But investigators refused, deciding instead to place procedural charges against Cornell. The fall out from this incident. Andrew Cornell who was an outstanding cop, became disgusted with the manner this was handled and quit. Another head scatching incident brought to you from the desk of Charlie Deane.

But many cases of “Good Time Charlie” investigating off duty personal and/or marital issues have left several officers looking for another department or another line or work (both voluntarily or by firing). When I worked for Deane the department’s citizen/officer ratio was well below both recommended F.O.P. staffing levels and ratios of surrounding jurisdictions. I bet those ratios haven’t changed much.

While at a briefing, I witnessed Deane engaged in a topic involving police retention. I heard Deane remark, “police officers no longer have loyalty.” I immediately realized that someone needed to clue this man into the actual problem………….loyalty is a two way street. When your reputation as a leader suggests that you are finding ways to fire your officers for minor incidents on or off-duty, department members will desert you for no other reason but self preservation. But the great looking women and “yes” men he has surrounded himself with would not risk their career by informing him that he might be the problem.

But things look great from the outside. I’m sure he will get support from the PWCPD Police association. And why not? He has promoted almost all association presidents for their cooperation and support of his internal policies. Another smart power play. The truth surrounding the leadership of the association (which I was a member) is that if you stay out of the way, vote on the Chief’s personnel decisions he presents to you, and not worry about representing department members, you will be rewarded. A message to all promotion oriented newer officers. If you want those sergeant strips, get on the sergeant’s list and become an elected position with the police association and just do as Deane tells you.

I could continue to expose “the puzzle palace” with numerous incidents involving this man. But the citizens of PWC need to embrace this thought. Charlie Deane is a very powerful man. He sits on the jail board, has undue influence in the Sheriff’s Office with the election of Glen Hill, and doesn’t forget those who question policy within his police department. If you feel safer in PWC than you did 20 years ago, then Deane is your man. But I drive the streets of the county frequently and only see a police car when it is rushing to a call. My opinion based on inside observations, as long as Deane remains the C.O.P. you need additional law enforcement. That will not happen with Glen Hill. I suggest if a candidate for Sheriff presents you with a platform that includes additional street presence and enforcement, you should consider it a vote for your safety. Don’t fall for the “duplication of services” garbage that Deane will feed you when he supports Hill in the upcoming election. His support is simple……..he is “protecting his turf.”

Again I don’t associate myself with your kind so you will never have a chance to know me. Yes I am a Hill supporter…very good….I am not on his payroll, I am not related to him either…good try…I am a loyal Hill supporter as is the general portion of the folks on this blog…..VOTE HILL JUNE 12

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Please do not assume that you know me or how I would handle a boss that was breaking the law. Because frankly you know nothing about me. But I will give you a little insight…I would definately not do what Messier did and that is NOTHING. Got that NOTHING! I definately would have foiled the whole corrupt operation, mark my word. And that NR is because I do not possess puss qualities. I have integrity yup that is right integrity…I definately have the guts to come forward! DO NOT EVER assume you know me. I do not associate myself with people of your kind. As far as this Deputy Hetzel…I know nothing about him. What is he a disgruntled former employee? So what…Messier is too…. It appears you live a relatively sheltered life considering the Dominquez remark. If you can’t wait for that I feel sorry for you. Futhermore, trying to rehash those political slaps from four years ago…try and do better….Hill was voted into office remember? By a landslide remember? Because that is what the citizens wanted remember? If it makes you feel good calling me a puppet then feel free but that is the furthest from the truth and anyone who knows me will back that up….I would suggest that you choose your battles carefully. When you decide that you would like to talk about why you think Messier should be in office I might entertain a conversation with you. (I accept your apology for inadvertently attaching the Nazi remark to me)

VOTE HILL JUNE 12

Messier knows were the bodies are buried, Funny is he still the honest man

hes a joke like Fotis cant wait for the election. OOOOHHH Noooo