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	<title>Comments on: The Math Error</title>
	<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/13/the-math-error/</link>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/13/the-math-error/#comment-13890</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 16:17:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/13/the-math-error/#comment-13890</guid>
		<description>Stalwart, I just spoke with someone at the 11th District committee about the membership changes. Rumberg replaces Hawley, Hyland replaced Lundberg, and Beatrice Lee is the new Young Republicans rep.

I corrected the article that you mentioned. Hopefully these fine ladies and gentlemen if not Tom Kopko will redress the theft of the nomination by Gill's overvoting minions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stalwart, I just spoke with someone at the 11th District committee about the membership changes. Rumberg replaces Hawley, Hyland replaced Lundberg, and Beatrice Lee is the new Young Republicans rep.</p>
<p>I corrected the article that you mentioned. Hopefully these fine ladies and gentlemen if not Tom Kopko will redress the theft of the nomination by Gill&#8217;s overvoting minions.</p>
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		<title>By: AWCheney</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/13/the-math-error/#comment-13887</link>
		<dc:creator>AWCheney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 14:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/13/the-math-error/#comment-13887</guid>
		<description>That's exactly right anon, there is no way Julie is doing this for herself...the simplist thing to do would be to walk away.  It would not, however, be the most honorable.  She is doing this for the sake of the future of the Republican Party in PWC, and anybody who doesn't see that is either a fool or part of the problem.  Perhaps some people should be spending less time condemning her for it and more time demanding the truth lead to changes which will prevent this sort of fiasco from ever happening again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s exactly right anon, there is no way Julie is doing this for herself&#8230;the simplist thing to do would be to walk away.  It would not, however, be the most honorable.  She is doing this for the sake of the future of the Republican Party in PWC, and anybody who doesn&#8217;t see that is either a fool or part of the problem.  Perhaps some people should be spending less time condemning her for it and more time demanding the truth lead to changes which will prevent this sort of fiasco from ever happening again.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/13/the-math-error/#comment-13884</link>
		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 13:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/13/the-math-error/#comment-13884</guid>
		<description>re: 6:20 am,

Because sometimes there is a bigger issue at stake.

I think it is highly unlikely that Gill will be overturned as party nominee.  However, that doesn't mean that the process was  clean and honest -- there are things that took place in the convention that need to see the light of day.  People need to know what happened.  And they need to know that a lot of it was not legal.  And that there ARE eyes watching from now on.  LCRC seems to have learned that little lesson without having to go thru this exercise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: 6:20 am,</p>
<p>Because sometimes there is a bigger issue at stake.</p>
<p>I think it is highly unlikely that Gill will be overturned as party nominee.  However, that doesn&#8217;t mean that the process was  clean and honest &#8212; there are things that took place in the convention that need to see the light of day.  People need to know what happened.  And they need to know that a lot of it was not legal.  And that there ARE eyes watching from now on.  LCRC seems to have learned that little lesson without having to go thru this exercise.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/13/the-math-error/#comment-13882</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 10:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/13/the-math-error/#comment-13882</guid>
		<description>With Julie filing for the school board, looks like she isn't optimistic about winning her appeal.  Why doesn't she just concede, mend fences and move on?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With Julie filing for the school board, looks like she isn&#8217;t optimistic about winning her appeal.  Why doesn&#8217;t she just concede, mend fences and move on?</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/13/the-math-error/#comment-13857</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jun 2007 21:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/13/the-math-error/#comment-13857</guid>
		<description>Thanks for the info, Stalwart!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the info, Stalwart!</p>
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		<title>By: GOP Stalwart</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/13/the-math-error/#comment-13855</link>
		<dc:creator>GOP Stalwart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jun 2007 19:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/13/the-math-error/#comment-13855</guid>
		<description>Johnathan Mark - saw your post on GoodbyeKen.  I think the 11CD website is outdated as far as the membership roster goes.  There have been some recent changes like Lundberg resigning (the new Fairfax Co chairman took his place) that don't appear to have been made.  Might want to check on that.  Wow, has this thing gotten out of control.  Instead of being about rules and procedures and honest math errors, it's become flat out character asassination.  What a sorry state of affairs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Johnathan Mark - saw your post on GoodbyeKen.  I think the 11CD website is outdated as far as the membership roster goes.  There have been some recent changes like Lundberg resigning (the new Fairfax Co chairman took his place) that don&#8217;t appear to have been made.  Might want to check on that.  Wow, has this thing gotten out of control.  Instead of being about rules and procedures and honest math errors, it&#8217;s become flat out character asassination.  What a sorry state of affairs.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/13/the-math-error/#comment-13851</link>
		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jun 2007 14:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/13/the-math-error/#comment-13851</guid>
		<description>I saw a McCain bumper sticker and Gill bumper sticker on the same car. Just like Gill says he is against illegal immigration, He would try to give amnesty to them just to make them legal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw a McCain bumper sticker and Gill bumper sticker on the same car. Just like Gill says he is against illegal immigration, He would try to give amnesty to them just to make them legal.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryanna</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/13/the-math-error/#comment-13849</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jun 2007 05:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/13/the-math-error/#comment-13849</guid>
		<description>Kopko taking Gills money was bad news in the beginning but now that the 51st convention has been tampered with, the money is even more suspicious.   Seems the arrogance of the Bush administration has trickled down south to Prince William.  It's time to run these boys out of town! Kopko, Gill-ary and all his Democratic friends from across America.  Sharia Law has no place here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kopko taking Gills money was bad news in the beginning but now that the 51st convention has been tampered with, the money is even more suspicious.   Seems the arrogance of the Bush administration has trickled down south to Prince William.  It&#8217;s time to run these boys out of town! Kopko, Gill-ary and all his Democratic friends from across America.  Sharia Law has no place here.</p>
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		<title>By: freedom</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/13/the-math-error/#comment-13820</link>
		<dc:creator>freedom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 12:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/13/the-math-error/#comment-13820</guid>
		<description>Oh John....you forgot one thing.  Tom Kopko will not allow that to happen, evidence be damned!  ...besides, John, what is a "consultant" good for, if ya can't count on 'em when ya need some "consult"?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh John&#8230;.you forgot one thing.  Tom Kopko will not allow that to happen, evidence be damned!  &#8230;besides, John, what is a &#8220;consultant&#8221; good for, if ya can&#8217;t count on &#8216;em when ya need some &#8220;consult&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: John Light</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/13/the-math-error/#comment-13799</link>
		<dc:creator>John Light</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 00:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/13/the-math-error/#comment-13799</guid>
		<description>Ok, I just HAVE to say it...Jim Young and Faisal Gill = Sore/Loserman!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, I just HAVE to say it&#8230;Jim Young and Faisal Gill = Sore/Loserman!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/13/the-math-error/#comment-13784</link>
		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/13/the-math-error/#comment-13784</guid>
		<description>I just wanted to clarify that the posts at 2:04 and 2:13 are from the same person, me.

I left out the end quote on the first post.  That whole post is a quote, with the exception of my intro paragraph.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just wanted to clarify that the posts at 2:04 and 2:13 are from the same person, me.</p>
<p>I left out the end quote on the first post.  That whole post is a quote, with the exception of my intro paragraph.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/13/the-math-error/#comment-13781</link>
		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:13:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/13/the-math-error/#comment-13781</guid>
		<description>In Loudoun, the "powers that be" proposed having a separate inquiry area where some people would have to recite the pledge.  RPV put a stop to this.  It would have been a violation of the Voting Rights Act.  The procedures in place clearly state that you sign that form pledging and that you agree to state the same IN OPEN MEETING if requested.  There is nowhere in the approved process to pull people aside and interrogate them.

Loudoun also sent out these nifty cards on which delegates were to RSVP.  Again, possible Voting Rights Act violation.  That is not a part of the approved process.  RPV put the hammer down on that too.  It doesn't not matter whether LCRC's "intent" was noble or not - it is a deviation from approved procedure, and therefore prohibited.

As I understand it, there was a PWC delegate called and questioned about his/her pledge to support Republicans - and then subsequently disqualified.  That is violation of the Voting Rights Act.  Our approved procedure does not entail calling people up and interrogating them about their allegiances.  If the committee questioned this person's sincerity, the only recourse would be to follow the rules and require the pledge to be stated in open meeting.  If the person in question then refused to do that, then he/she could and should be disqualified.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Loudoun, the &#8220;powers that be&#8221; proposed having a separate inquiry area where some people would have to recite the pledge.  RPV put a stop to this.  It would have been a violation of the Voting Rights Act.  The procedures in place clearly state that you sign that form pledging and that you agree to state the same IN OPEN MEETING if requested.  There is nowhere in the approved process to pull people aside and interrogate them.</p>
<p>Loudoun also sent out these nifty cards on which delegates were to RSVP.  Again, possible Voting Rights Act violation.  That is not a part of the approved process.  RPV put the hammer down on that too.  It doesn&#8217;t not matter whether LCRC&#8217;s &#8220;intent&#8221; was noble or not - it is a deviation from approved procedure, and therefore prohibited.</p>
<p>As I understand it, there was a PWC delegate called and questioned about his/her pledge to support Republicans - and then subsequently disqualified.  That is violation of the Voting Rights Act.  Our approved procedure does not entail calling people up and interrogating them about their allegiances.  If the committee questioned this person&#8217;s sincerity, the only recourse would be to follow the rules and require the pledge to be stated in open meeting.  If the person in question then refused to do that, then he/she could and should be disqualified.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/13/the-math-error/#comment-13780</link>
		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/13/the-math-error/#comment-13780</guid>
		<description>Here are just a few of the relevant passages of Morse v. Republican Party of Virginia.  The Supreme Court is quite clear that activities of parties and at conventions fall directly under the purview of the Federal Voting Rights Act.  There also does not need to "be" an overt act of discrimination in order for a violation to have occurred.  A change in procedure which "could" have caused a violation is sufficient.


"Section 5 of the Act requires preclearance of changes in "any voting qualification or prerequisite to voting, or standard, practice, or procedure with respect to voting." Section 14 defines the terms "vote" or "voting" to include "all action necessary to make a vote effective in any primary, special, or general election, including, but not limited to, registration, listing pursuant to this subchapter, or other action required by law prerequisite to voting, casting a ballot, and having such ballot counted properly and included in the appropriate totals of votes cast with respect to candidates for public or party office and propositions for which votes are received in an election." 42 U.S.C. § 1973l(c)(1) (1988 ed.). 

Although a narrow reading of the text of the Voting Rights Act might have confined the coverage of §5 to changes in election practices that limit individual voters' access to the ballot in jurisdictions having authority to register voters, ..., the Court has squarely rejected that construction. Shortly after the statute was passed, the Court thoroughly reviewed its legislative history and found that Congress intended §5 to have "the broadest possible scope" reaching "any state enactment which altered the election law of a covered State in even a minor way." ... We expressly held that "§5, like the constitutional provisions it is designed to implement, applies to all entities having power over any aspect of the electoral process within designated jurisdictions, not only to counties or to whatever units of state government perform the function of registering voters."... 

We have consistently construed the Act to require preclearance of any change in procedures or practices that may bear on the "effectiveness" of a vote cast in "any primary, special, or general election." 42 U.S.C. § 1973l(c)(1). Rules concerning candidacy requirements and qualifications, we have held, fall into this category because of their potential to "undermine the effectiveness of voters who wish to elect [particular] candidates." ... Changes in the composition of the electorate that votes for a particular office--that is, situations that raise the specter of vote dilution--also belong to this class because they could "nullify [voters'] ability to elect the candidate of their choice just as would prohibiting some of them from voting." 393 U. S., at 569. This nexus between the changed practice and its impact on voting in the general election has been a recurring theme in our cases interpreting the Act. See Chisom v. Roemer, 501 U.S. 380, 397 (1991) ("Any abridgment of the opportunity of members of a protected class to participate in the political process inevitably impairs their ability to influence the outcome of an election"). In its reenactments and extensions of the Act, moreover, Congress has endorsed these broad constructions of §5. See, e.g., S. Rep. No. 97-417, pp. 6-7, and n. 8 (1982). 

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Delegate qualifications are in fact more closely tied to the voting process than practices that may cause vote dilution, whose coverage under §5 we have repeatedly upheld. Virginia, like most States, has effectively divided its election into two stages, the first consisting of the selection of party candidates and the second being the general election itself. See United States v. Classic, 313 U. S., at 316. Exclusion from the earlier stage, as two appellants in this case experienced, does not merely curtail their voting power, but abridges their right to vote itself. To the excluded voter who cannot cast a vote for his or her candidate, it is all the same whether the party conducts its nomination by a primary or by a convention open to all party members except those kept out by the filing fee. Each is an "integral part of the election machinery." Id., at 318.

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 The text of §2 also makes apparent the Act's intended coverage of nonprimary nomination methods. Section 2, which bans any "voting qualification or prerequisite" that discriminates on account of race or color, considers a violation to have occurred if "the political processes leading to nomination or election in the State or political subdivision are not equally open to participation by members of [groups protected by the Act] in that its members have less opportunity than other members of the electorate to participate in the political process and to elect representatives of their choice." 42 U.S.C. § 1973(b) (1988 ed.) (emphasis added). Under the broad sweep of this language, exclusion from a nominating convention would qualify as a violation. Section 2 "adopts the functional view of `political process' " and applies to "any phase of the electoral process." S. Rep. 97-417, p. 30, and n. 120 (1982).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here are just a few of the relevant passages of Morse v. Republican Party of Virginia.  The Supreme Court is quite clear that activities of parties and at conventions fall directly under the purview of the Federal Voting Rights Act.  There also does not need to &#8220;be&#8221; an overt act of discrimination in order for a violation to have occurred.  A change in procedure which &#8220;could&#8221; have caused a violation is sufficient.</p>
<p>&#8220;Section 5 of the Act requires preclearance of changes in &#8220;any voting qualification or prerequisite to voting, or standard, practice, or procedure with respect to voting.&#8221; Section 14 defines the terms &#8220;vote&#8221; or &#8220;voting&#8221; to include &#8220;all action necessary to make a vote effective in any primary, special, or general election, including, but not limited to, registration, listing pursuant to this subchapter, or other action required by law prerequisite to voting, casting a ballot, and having such ballot counted properly and included in the appropriate totals of votes cast with respect to candidates for public or party office and propositions for which votes are received in an election.&#8221; 42 U.S.C. § 1973l(c)(1) (1988 ed.). </p>
<p>Although a narrow reading of the text of the Voting Rights Act might have confined the coverage of §5 to changes in election practices that limit individual voters&#8217; access to the ballot in jurisdictions having authority to register voters, &#8230;, the Court has squarely rejected that construction. Shortly after the statute was passed, the Court thoroughly reviewed its legislative history and found that Congress intended §5 to have &#8220;the broadest possible scope&#8221; reaching &#8220;any state enactment which altered the election law of a covered State in even a minor way.&#8221; &#8230; We expressly held that &#8220;§5, like the constitutional provisions it is designed to implement, applies to all entities having power over any aspect of the electoral process within designated jurisdictions, not only to counties or to whatever units of state government perform the function of registering voters.&#8221;&#8230; </p>
<p>We have consistently construed the Act to require preclearance of any change in procedures or practices that may bear on the &#8220;effectiveness&#8221; of a vote cast in &#8220;any primary, special, or general election.&#8221; 42 U.S.C. § 1973l(c)(1). Rules concerning candidacy requirements and qualifications, we have held, fall into this category because of their potential to &#8220;undermine the effectiveness of voters who wish to elect [particular] candidates.&#8221; &#8230; Changes in the composition of the electorate that votes for a particular office&#8211;that is, situations that raise the specter of vote dilution&#8211;also belong to this class because they could &#8220;nullify [voters&#8217;] ability to elect the candidate of their choice just as would prohibiting some of them from voting.&#8221; 393 U. S., at 569. This nexus between the changed practice and its impact on voting in the general election has been a recurring theme in our cases interpreting the Act. See Chisom v. Roemer, 501 U.S. 380, 397 (1991) (&#8221;Any abridgment of the opportunity of members of a protected class to participate in the political process inevitably impairs their ability to influence the outcome of an election&#8221;). In its reenactments and extensions of the Act, moreover, Congress has endorsed these broad constructions of §5. See, e.g., S. Rep. No. 97-417, pp. 6-7, and n. 8 (1982). </p>
<p>&#8212;&#8211;<br />
Delegate qualifications are in fact more closely tied to the voting process than practices that may cause vote dilution, whose coverage under §5 we have repeatedly upheld. Virginia, like most States, has effectively divided its election into two stages, the first consisting of the selection of party candidates and the second being the general election itself. See United States v. Classic, 313 U. S., at 316. Exclusion from the earlier stage, as two appellants in this case experienced, does not merely curtail their voting power, but abridges their right to vote itself. To the excluded voter who cannot cast a vote for his or her candidate, it is all the same whether the party conducts its nomination by a primary or by a convention open to all party members except those kept out by the filing fee. Each is an &#8220;integral part of the election machinery.&#8221; Id., at 318.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8211;<br />
 The text of §2 also makes apparent the Act&#8217;s intended coverage of nonprimary nomination methods. Section 2, which bans any &#8220;voting qualification or prerequisite&#8221; that discriminates on account of race or color, considers a violation to have occurred if &#8220;the political processes leading to nomination or election in the State or political subdivision are not equally open to participation by members of [groups protected by the Act] in that its members have less opportunity than other members of the electorate to participate in the political process and to elect representatives of their choice.&#8221; 42 U.S.C. § 1973(b) (1988 ed.) (emphasis added). Under the broad sweep of this language, exclusion from a nominating convention would qualify as a violation. Section 2 &#8220;adopts the functional view of `political process&#8217; &#8221; and applies to &#8220;any phase of the electoral process.&#8221; S. Rep. 97-417, p. 30, and n. 120 (1982).</p>
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		<title>By: AWCheney</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/13/the-math-error/#comment-13778</link>
		<dc:creator>AWCheney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 17:48:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/13/the-math-error/#comment-13778</guid>
		<description>"My understanding is that RPV gave Kopko 48 hours to deal with this situation."

I hope Julie kept copies of the entire package of evidence.  A LOT of editing can happen in 48 hours and, given Kopko's previous performances, "trustworthy" is not in either his character or job description.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;My understanding is that RPV gave Kopko 48 hours to deal with this situation.&#8221;</p>
<p>I hope Julie kept copies of the entire package of evidence.  A LOT of editing can happen in 48 hours and, given Kopko&#8217;s previous performances, &#8220;trustworthy&#8221; is not in either his character or job description.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/13/the-math-error/#comment-13776</link>
		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 17:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/13/the-math-error/#comment-13776</guid>
		<description>Greg,

Your 10:34 comment is absolutely incorrect.

The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that party contests are governed by the Voting Rights Act.

And in Virginia that is a very tight standard.  Every process and procedure must be in writing and must be precleared.

Deviation from approved procedure can be a violation of the Voting Rights Act.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg,</p>
<p>Your 10:34 comment is absolutely incorrect.</p>
<p>The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that party contests are governed by the Voting Rights Act.</p>
<p>And in Virginia that is a very tight standard.  Every process and procedure must be in writing and must be precleared.</p>
<p>Deviation from approved procedure can be a violation of the Voting Rights Act.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg L</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/13/the-math-error/#comment-13773</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 16:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/13/the-math-error/#comment-13773</guid>
		<description>I would suggest you get in touch with a public interest law firm on the subject.  I doubt ACLU will take it, but there are a number of others which might.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would suggest you get in touch with a public interest law firm on the subject.  I doubt ACLU will take it, but there are a number of others which might.</p>
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		<title>By: Barbara Cummings</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/13/the-math-error/#comment-13772</link>
		<dc:creator>Barbara Cummings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 15:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, JM Penn and PURCELL precincts are the same. Chinn is another precinct.

Fedup, how would I go about filing papers in Federal Court and PWC Circuit Court? Do I need an attorney to do it? $$$? 

Please advise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, JM Penn and PURCELL precincts are the same. Chinn is another precinct.</p>
<p>Fedup, how would I go about filing papers in Federal Court and PWC Circuit Court? Do I need an attorney to do it? $$$? </p>
<p>Please advise.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/13/the-math-error/#comment-13770</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 15:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/13/the-math-error/#comment-13770</guid>
		<description>Penn and Chinn precicts are the same. There is still an overvote there. 

Barbara Cummings here posted and said that she saw someone from another precinct vote in Chinn after having a discussion with Faisal Gill's son.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Penn and Chinn precicts are the same. There is still an overvote there. </p>
<p>Barbara Cummings here posted and said that she saw someone from another precinct vote in Chinn after having a discussion with Faisal Gill&#8217;s son.</p>
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		<title>By: God Bless America</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/13/the-math-error/#comment-13768</link>
		<dc:creator>God Bless America</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 15:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/13/the-math-error/#comment-13768</guid>
		<description>What happened to the problem in Penn Precinct?  Wasn't there a report of something wrong discovered in that precinct too?  Something that explains how the over vote happened?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What happened to the problem in Penn Precinct?  Wasn&#8217;t there a report of something wrong discovered in that precinct too?  Something that explains how the over vote happened?</p>
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		<title>By: FedUp</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/13/the-math-error/#comment-13763</link>
		<dc:creator>FedUp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 14:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/13/the-math-error/#comment-13763</guid>
		<description>Well Greg, that's what I was getting at.  Federal courts have begun to weigh in on nominating contests since the Ollie North nominating convention.  We can't even require filing fees anymore because it is considered a "poll tax."  That was the case brought by a UVA law student.

So, if someone's civil rights were violated because of the way Kopko ran the nominating process, there is a case.  There also must be at least one delegate who would have a civil claim against Kopko. Then the voting documents and his records on his financial arrangements with Gill's campaign could finally see the light of day through a civil case.

If I had been a delegate in any one of the 3 precincts in question, I would have the papers filed in both Federal Court and PWC Circuit Court already.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Greg, that&#8217;s what I was getting at.  Federal courts have begun to weigh in on nominating contests since the Ollie North nominating convention.  We can&#8217;t even require filing fees anymore because it is considered a &#8220;poll tax.&#8221;  That was the case brought by a UVA law student.</p>
<p>So, if someone&#8217;s civil rights were violated because of the way Kopko ran the nominating process, there is a case.  There also must be at least one delegate who would have a civil claim against Kopko. Then the voting documents and his records on his financial arrangements with Gill&#8217;s campaign could finally see the light of day through a civil case.</p>
<p>If I had been a delegate in any one of the 3 precincts in question, I would have the papers filed in both Federal Court and PWC Circuit Court already.</p>
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