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	<title>Comments on: An HB 3202 Disaster</title>
	<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/23/an-hb-3202-disaster/</link>
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		<title>By: D. Bier</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/23/an-hb-3202-disaster/#comment-16691</link>
		<dc:creator>D. Bier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 02:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/23/an-hb-3202-disaster/#comment-16691</guid>
		<description>The Civil Remedial Fees (CRF) apply not only to “abusive drivers” but to each and every Virginia driver who commits even the tiniest offense or has a citable vehicle safety problem. Fees range up beyond $1,000 to $3,000 for some felony offenses. However, the CRF's are not just for “abusive drivers” but any Virginia driver who makes a goof or error leading to the smallest misdemeanor violation. The new paragraph 4 of § 46.2-206.1 (C). says (in part…paragraphs 1 through 3 omitted):

“4. Any other misdemeanor conviction for a driving and/or motor vehicle related violation of Title 18.2 or this title that is not included in one of the preceding three subdivisions shall be assessed a fee to be paid in three annual payments of $300 each;”.
(http://www.courts.state.va.us/publications/hb_3202.pdf )

Failing to signal properly costs $900, as does not wearing a seat belt or any other minor driver goof, even defective tires or inoperable lights, per paragraph 4.

Kaine, Howell, and the members of the Legislature who voted for this monster law are mendaciously engaged in panic spin control, using the propaganda tactic of misleading the public by using a negative term, “abusive driver”, when the new civil remedial fees really apply to ANY Virginia driver who makes a mistake, however small.

And don’t forget, in many situations, especially accidents, there can be multiple violations cited and EACH ONE is subject to its own CRF! At $900 minimum each, even a few misdemeanors can rocket up to thousands of dollars in fees. One accident could put one’s economic future, credit rating, and security clearance at risk!

The fees are a disguised, discriminatory, regressive tax which will have a gigantic impact on the young, poor and elderly legal residents (out of state drivers and illegal aliens won't have to pay) of Virginia.

Voters should remember the deception involved and, in the election coming up, throw the rascals out, Republican or Democrat, who voted for or supported the CRF measure; most of whom are now misleading the public in a rush to cover their posteriors. And that includes Delegate Scott Lingamfelter whose “good attempt to set the record straight” in another thread on this site is instead an effort to stay in office.

Rest assured Senator Davis in Fairfax will not get my vote in the general election and I will actively campaign against her relentlessly unless she and the others involved call a special session and erase the CRF section of the law. Those in Delegate Scott Lingamfelter’s or Delegate Albo’s districts and elsewhere might consiger similar actions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Civil Remedial Fees (CRF) apply not only to “abusive drivers” but to each and every Virginia driver who commits even the tiniest offense or has a citable vehicle safety problem. Fees range up beyond $1,000 to $3,000 for some felony offenses. However, the CRF&#8217;s are not just for “abusive drivers” but any Virginia driver who makes a goof or error leading to the smallest misdemeanor violation. The new paragraph 4 of § 46.2-206.1 (C). says (in part…paragraphs 1 through 3 omitted):</p>
<p>“4. Any other misdemeanor conviction for a driving and/or motor vehicle related violation of Title 18.2 or this title that is not included in one of the preceding three subdivisions shall be assessed a fee to be paid in three annual payments of $300 each;”.<br />
(http://www.courts.state.va.us/publications/hb_3202.pdf )</p>
<p>Failing to signal properly costs $900, as does not wearing a seat belt or any other minor driver goof, even defective tires or inoperable lights, per paragraph 4.</p>
<p>Kaine, Howell, and the members of the Legislature who voted for this monster law are mendaciously engaged in panic spin control, using the propaganda tactic of misleading the public by using a negative term, “abusive driver”, when the new civil remedial fees really apply to ANY Virginia driver who makes a mistake, however small.</p>
<p>And don’t forget, in many situations, especially accidents, there can be multiple violations cited and EACH ONE is subject to its own CRF! At $900 minimum each, even a few misdemeanors can rocket up to thousands of dollars in fees. One accident could put one’s economic future, credit rating, and security clearance at risk!</p>
<p>The fees are a disguised, discriminatory, regressive tax which will have a gigantic impact on the young, poor and elderly legal residents (out of state drivers and illegal aliens won&#8217;t have to pay) of Virginia.</p>
<p>Voters should remember the deception involved and, in the election coming up, throw the rascals out, Republican or Democrat, who voted for or supported the CRF measure; most of whom are now misleading the public in a rush to cover their posteriors. And that includes Delegate Scott Lingamfelter whose “good attempt to set the record straight” in another thread on this site is instead an effort to stay in office.</p>
<p>Rest assured Senator Davis in Fairfax will not get my vote in the general election and I will actively campaign against her relentlessly unless she and the others involved call a special session and erase the CRF section of the law. Those in Delegate Scott Lingamfelter’s or Delegate Albo’s districts and elsewhere might consiger similar actions.</p>
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		<title>By: JJ</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/23/an-hb-3202-disaster/#comment-16319</link>
		<dc:creator>JJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 02:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/23/an-hb-3202-disaster/#comment-16319</guid>
		<description>Incumbent Virginia Senator Marty Williams (Hampton Roads area) was defeated in the primaries by Patricia Stall.  Patricia Stall advocates an immediate repeal of HB 3202.  stallforvasenate.com  - Looks to me like the voters are speaking out early.  Let's hope this year they speak out often in November....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Incumbent Virginia Senator Marty Williams (Hampton Roads area) was defeated in the primaries by Patricia Stall.  Patricia Stall advocates an immediate repeal of HB 3202.  stallforvasenate.com  - Looks to me like the voters are speaking out early.  Let&#8217;s hope this year they speak out often in November&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: BT</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/23/an-hb-3202-disaster/#comment-15883</link>
		<dc:creator>BT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2007 00:53:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/23/an-hb-3202-disaster/#comment-15883</guid>
		<description>Thanks BeagleMan for getting the conversation back in focus.  I am new to the site, a lifelong Republican who works for PWC and volunteers for the GOP every election where I live (not PWC).  Albo has certainly birthed a monstrosity that should, if I have anything to do with it, cost him his job.  This thing stinks on so many counts that I don't even know where to begin.  I've enjoyed Young's columns when he was writing for the Potomac News.  I certainly hope that he will put principle above any friendships he might have and seek the repeal of this legislation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks BeagleMan for getting the conversation back in focus.  I am new to the site, a lifelong Republican who works for PWC and volunteers for the GOP every election where I live (not PWC).  Albo has certainly birthed a monstrosity that should, if I have anything to do with it, cost him his job.  This thing stinks on so many counts that I don&#8217;t even know where to begin.  I&#8217;ve enjoyed Young&#8217;s columns when he was writing for the Potomac News.  I certainly hope that he will put principle above any friendships he might have and seek the repeal of this legislation.</p>
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		<title>By: BeagleMan</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/23/an-hb-3202-disaster/#comment-15583</link>
		<dc:creator>BeagleMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/23/an-hb-3202-disaster/#comment-15583</guid>
		<description>Talk about a thread going astray...this conversation started out about how unfair HB3202 would be to the average VA resident and has turned into a slugfest of old cronies that can't see the forest from the trees. It is an unjust bill that unfairly targets VA (licensed) residents and it is an unjust "TAX." If you gentlemen want to turn this into a political analysis of something else (as well as open up old wounds), so be it. But use another thread.
You're all beginning to sound like the politicians in Richmond that backed this whacky bill. 
Why not return to the original issue that was brought up here?
I would love to here some thought provoking dialog on HB3202 itself...maybe?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talk about a thread going astray&#8230;this conversation started out about how unfair HB3202 would be to the average VA resident and has turned into a slugfest of old cronies that can&#8217;t see the forest from the trees. It is an unjust bill that unfairly targets VA (licensed) residents and it is an unjust &#8220;TAX.&#8221; If you gentlemen want to turn this into a political analysis of something else (as well as open up old wounds), so be it. But use another thread.<br />
You&#8217;re all beginning to sound like the politicians in Richmond that backed this whacky bill.<br />
Why not return to the original issue that was brought up here?<br />
I would love to here some thought provoking dialog on HB3202 itself&#8230;maybe?</p>
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		<title>By: James Young</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/23/an-hb-3202-disaster/#comment-14418</link>
		<dc:creator>James Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:42:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/23/an-hb-3202-disaster/#comment-14418</guid>
		<description>Mea culpa (think I got that one right).  I made a spelling --- really, a typographical --- error.

Where are those who savage me for pointing out more glaring errors?  Not rising to my defense?

I love the double-standards around here, though I acknowledge "NoVA Scout's" comment (which I had to look up; I acknowledge his superior Latin skills).

And NJH, aren't most memories from law school "bad" ones?  ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mea culpa (think I got that one right).  I made a spelling &#8212; really, a typographical &#8212; error.</p>
<p>Where are those who savage me for pointing out more glaring errors?  Not rising to my defense?</p>
<p>I love the double-standards around here, though I acknowledge &#8220;NoVA Scout&#8217;s&#8221; comment (which I had to look up; I acknowledge his superior Latin skills).</p>
<p>And NJH, aren&#8217;t most memories from law school &#8220;bad&#8221; ones?  <img src='http://www.bvbl.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: freedom</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/23/an-hb-3202-disaster/#comment-14386</link>
		<dc:creator>freedom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 00:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/23/an-hb-3202-disaster/#comment-14386</guid>
		<description>No, anonymous, I don't believe Greg said anything about "illegal immigration," I believe he was talking about aliens who are in this country illegally...and spin or not, that's certainly a part of the issue, would you not agree?  What would YOUR spin be, by the way, that illegal aliens should be exempt from fines to which you and I are subject?  Come on....:(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, anonymous, I don&#8217;t believe Greg said anything about &#8220;illegal immigration,&#8221; I believe he was talking about aliens who are in this country illegally&#8230;and spin or not, that&#8217;s certainly a part of the issue, would you not agree?  What would YOUR spin be, by the way, that illegal aliens should be exempt from fines to which you and I are subject?  Come on&#8230;.:(</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/23/an-hb-3202-disaster/#comment-14362</link>
		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 18:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/23/an-hb-3202-disaster/#comment-14362</guid>
		<description>I can't believe your spin on this is that this legislation is about illegal immigration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t believe your spin on this is that this legislation is about illegal immigration.</p>
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		<title>By: NoVA Scout</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/23/an-hb-3202-disaster/#comment-14361</link>
		<dc:creator>NoVA Scout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 18:08:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/23/an-hb-3202-disaster/#comment-14361</guid>
		<description>NJH:  "loquitor", "loquitur", "locquitur" .  de minimis non curat lex.  

I used to race against an impressive sailboat named "Res Ipsa Loquitur"  And it did.  Often at my expense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NJH:  &#8220;loquitor&#8221;, &#8220;loquitur&#8221;, &#8220;locquitur&#8221; .  de minimis non curat lex.  </p>
<p>I used to race against an impressive sailboat named &#8220;Res Ipsa Loquitur&#8221;  And it did.  Often at my expense.</p>
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		<title>By: Not Jack Herrity</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/23/an-hb-3202-disaster/#comment-14349</link>
		<dc:creator>Not Jack Herrity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 15:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/23/an-hb-3202-disaster/#comment-14349</guid>
		<description>Holy crap!  Did James Young just resurrect res ipsa loquitur???  I haven't heard anyone inject res ipsa into a conversation since I took torts in law school!  It would have been even better if he had spelled it correctly.  

Thanks for bringing back bad memories, James!  :)

NJH</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holy crap!  Did James Young just resurrect res ipsa loquitur???  I haven&#8217;t heard anyone inject res ipsa into a conversation since I took torts in law school!  It would have been even better if he had spelled it correctly.  </p>
<p>Thanks for bringing back bad memories, James!  <img src='http://www.bvbl.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>NJH</p>
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		<title>By: Darkmage</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/23/an-hb-3202-disaster/#comment-14345</link>
		<dc:creator>Darkmage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 15:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/23/an-hb-3202-disaster/#comment-14345</guid>
		<description>Huh. I guess they finally fixed the documentation requirements. The last time I got my license, all you really needed was a friend and a phone bill with your name &#38; address on it.

I stand corrected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huh. I guess they finally fixed the documentation requirements. The last time I got my license, all you really needed was a friend and a phone bill with your name &amp; address on it.</p>
<p>I stand corrected.</p>
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		<title>By: freedom</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/23/an-hb-3202-disaster/#comment-14344</link>
		<dc:creator>freedom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 15:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/23/an-hb-3202-disaster/#comment-14344</guid>
		<description>Fits you and your argument, James -- “res ipsa loquitor”: the thing speaks for itself."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fits you and your argument, James &#8212; “res ipsa loquitor”: the thing speaks for itself.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: freedom</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/23/an-hb-3202-disaster/#comment-14342</link>
		<dc:creator>freedom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 15:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/23/an-hb-3202-disaster/#comment-14342</guid>
		<description>OP, in some cases, it's like teaching a pig to whistle...impossible!!  If they don't WANT to understand, they won't.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OP, in some cases, it&#8217;s like teaching a pig to whistle&#8230;impossible!!  If they don&#8217;t WANT to understand, they won&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: James Young</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/23/an-hb-3202-disaster/#comment-14339</link>
		<dc:creator>James Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 14:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/23/an-hb-3202-disaster/#comment-14339</guid>
		<description>So now a good memory is a bad thing, John?  However, in this case, one needn't have a good memory to demonstrate OP's bad one.

First, notice how OPD dodged my questions.  How about it, OP?  What percentage of a taxpayers’ income is “enough,” i.e., what is the maximum percentage of total income that an individual should be required to pay in taxes, a question those of you who regularly advocate more taxes regularly “dodge”?  How much extra you’ve sent in this year?

OP, you said this (I presume Greg won't censor it, in light of your request for it, lest he likewise censor your comment) in a comment on my blog:

I don't doubt that I may have spoken or even written against the idea or the need for any politician having to sign a "NO TAX PLEDGE." I wonder how Del Lingamfelter, among others, feels now that he has broken his "pledge."

http://skepticalobservor.blogspot.com/2007/06/faisal-gill-wins-gop-nomination-in-51st.html#c2151283754557608580

You therefore inveigh against people who make the pledge, condemn those whom you believe to have broken the pledge, and remain utterly silent about those who both took the pledge, and whom you apparently don't believe to have broken it (Jeff Frederick and Bob Marshall come to mind).

The legal phrase is "res ipsa loquitor": the thing speaks for itself.  It is entirely logical to conclude that you don't like the pledge because of your enthusiasm for/belief in tax increases, or a tax increase.  Now, I suppose you can try to quibble your way out of it, but that's what it would be: quibbling.  Furthermore, you have long been an apologist for Chairman Sean and his tax increases (kind of like "NoVA Scout," whose claim to credentials as "an anti-tax conservative of long-standing" are laughable in light of his comments elsewhere on the same subject).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So now a good memory is a bad thing, John?  However, in this case, one needn&#8217;t have a good memory to demonstrate OP&#8217;s bad one.</p>
<p>First, notice how OPD dodged my questions.  How about it, OP?  What percentage of a taxpayers’ income is “enough,” i.e., what is the maximum percentage of total income that an individual should be required to pay in taxes, a question those of you who regularly advocate more taxes regularly “dodge”?  How much extra you’ve sent in this year?</p>
<p>OP, you said this (I presume Greg won&#8217;t censor it, in light of your request for it, lest he likewise censor your comment) in a comment on my blog:</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t doubt that I may have spoken or even written against the idea or the need for any politician having to sign a &#8220;NO TAX PLEDGE.&#8221; I wonder how Del Lingamfelter, among others, feels now that he has broken his &#8220;pledge.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://skepticalobservor.blogspot.com/2007/06/faisal-gill-wins-gop-nomination-in-51st.html#c2151283754557608580" rel="nofollow">http://skepticalobservor.blogspot.com/2007/06/faisal-gill-wins-gop-nomination-in-51st.html#c2151283754557608580</a></p>
<p>You therefore inveigh against people who make the pledge, condemn those whom you believe to have broken the pledge, and remain utterly silent about those who both took the pledge, and whom you apparently don&#8217;t believe to have broken it (Jeff Frederick and Bob Marshall come to mind).</p>
<p>The legal phrase is &#8220;res ipsa loquitor&#8221;: the thing speaks for itself.  It is entirely logical to conclude that you don&#8217;t like the pledge because of your enthusiasm for/belief in tax increases, or a tax increase.  Now, I suppose you can try to quibble your way out of it, but that&#8217;s what it would be: quibbling.  Furthermore, you have long been an apologist for Chairman Sean and his tax increases (kind of like &#8220;NoVA Scout,&#8221; whose claim to credentials as &#8220;an anti-tax conservative of long-standing&#8221; are laughable in light of his comments elsewhere on the same subject).</p>
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		<title>By: John Light</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/23/an-hb-3202-disaster/#comment-14334</link>
		<dc:creator>John Light</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 13:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/23/an-hb-3202-disaster/#comment-14334</guid>
		<description>Careful, OP, James will probably produce an e-mail dated 1995 or something like that (ask Jane Beyer).  James has a memory like a woman scorned.

Hey Jim...how did Faisal do in his wreckless driving case last Thursday???  Was that for ticket number 2, or 3?  I don't remember.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Careful, OP, James will probably produce an e-mail dated 1995 or something like that (ask Jane Beyer).  James has a memory like a woman scorned.</p>
<p>Hey Jim&#8230;how did Faisal do in his wreckless driving case last Thursday???  Was that for ticket number 2, or 3?  I don&#8217;t remember.</p>
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		<title>By: OPDitch</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/23/an-hb-3202-disaster/#comment-14326</link>
		<dc:creator>OPDitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 11:22:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/23/an-hb-3202-disaster/#comment-14326</guid>
		<description>James,
"e-mail (or comment) where you conceded that you support higher taxes?" which was it? Can you please produce it, or at least the context so I can research it myself?  
NOW YOU HAVE TO PRODUCE YOUR EVIDENCE, JAMES. YOU CLAIM TO HAVE SOMETHING SPECIFIC, NOW PRODUCE IT!  More than your ususal,  well you supproted Connaughton, or you supported so and so... who wouldn't sign the "tax pledge."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James,<br />
&#8220;e-mail (or comment) where you conceded that you support higher taxes?&#8221; which was it? Can you please produce it, or at least the context so I can research it myself?<br />
NOW YOU HAVE TO PRODUCE YOUR EVIDENCE, JAMES. YOU CLAIM TO HAVE SOMETHING SPECIFIC, NOW PRODUCE IT!  More than your ususal,  well you supproted Connaughton, or you supported so and so&#8230; who wouldn&#8217;t sign the &#8220;tax pledge.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: NoVA Scout</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/23/an-hb-3202-disaster/#comment-14325</link>
		<dc:creator>NoVA Scout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 10:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/23/an-hb-3202-disaster/#comment-14325</guid>
		<description>James:  I'm an anti-tax conservative of long-standing.  I just don't much care for the current crop of phonies (and the woods are full of them down your way).   And I'm not running for anything, so electoral motivations aren't really driving me on this point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James:  I&#8217;m an anti-tax conservative of long-standing.  I just don&#8217;t much care for the current crop of phonies (and the woods are full of them down your way).   And I&#8217;m not running for anything, so electoral motivations aren&#8217;t really driving me on this point.</p>
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		<title>By: NoVA Scout</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/23/an-hb-3202-disaster/#comment-14310</link>
		<dc:creator>NoVA Scout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 02:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/23/an-hb-3202-disaster/#comment-14310</guid>
		<description>Anon 1946: There's a certain delicious irony to the idea of legislators thinking they can raise funds to improve the road network by heavy fines when the network is so clogged up that no one can speed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon 1946: There&#8217;s a certain delicious irony to the idea of legislators thinking they can raise funds to improve the road network by heavy fines when the network is so clogged up that no one can speed.</p>
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		<title>By: James Young</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/23/an-hb-3202-disaster/#comment-14307</link>
		<dc:creator>James Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 00:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OPD, you mean except for the e-mail (or comment) where you conceded that you support higher taxes?  Perhaps you have forgotten it, but I haven't.

And as for "NoVA Scout," you just love to have it both ways, don't you?  Demonize anti-tax conservatives, and then demonize them some more when they do something that you advocate.

Why do some of you continue to try to posture as "Conservatives"?

Oh, yeah.  Because it's electorally popular.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OPD, you mean except for the e-mail (or comment) where you conceded that you support higher taxes?  Perhaps you have forgotten it, but I haven&#8217;t.</p>
<p>And as for &#8220;NoVA Scout,&#8221; you just love to have it both ways, don&#8217;t you?  Demonize anti-tax conservatives, and then demonize them some more when they do something that you advocate.</p>
<p>Why do some of you continue to try to posture as &#8220;Conservatives&#8221;?</p>
<p>Oh, yeah.  Because it&#8217;s electorally popular.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/23/an-hb-3202-disaster/#comment-14303</link>
		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 23:46:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/23/an-hb-3202-disaster/#comment-14303</guid>
		<description>We won't have to worry too much because traffic congestion will keep the speeds down. I was on 66 Saturday afternoon going west and came to a complete stop.  

I cancelled my plans because of that. That is five hundred dollars not spent at certain retailers in the Dulles area. 

The one road I could have taken would be the Dulles airport road which never gets crowded. But I didn't want to drive from 66 back onto route 7 through tysons corner to get to the Dulles Airport road then south on 28 to get to Chantilly which is almost a straight shot on 66.   

Of course the geniuses are spending billions on rail to go to the airport instead of on 66 where it is really needed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We won&#8217;t have to worry too much because traffic congestion will keep the speeds down. I was on 66 Saturday afternoon going west and came to a complete stop.  </p>
<p>I cancelled my plans because of that. That is five hundred dollars not spent at certain retailers in the Dulles area. </p>
<p>The one road I could have taken would be the Dulles airport road which never gets crowded. But I didn&#8217;t want to drive from 66 back onto route 7 through tysons corner to get to the Dulles Airport road then south on 28 to get to Chantilly which is almost a straight shot on 66.   </p>
<p>Of course the geniuses are spending billions on rail to go to the airport instead of on 66 where it is really needed.</p>
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		<title>By: OPDitch</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/23/an-hb-3202-disaster/#comment-14300</link>
		<dc:creator>OPDitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 22:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/06/23/an-hb-3202-disaster/#comment-14300</guid>
		<description>James, you did it again!!! "those of you who regularly advocate more taxes regularly" You have accused me of being a "tax advocate" without a single shred of proof.  I am not a tax advocate and you can't prove me to be one.  All you can do is use your phony "guilt by association." Oh, and NoVA Scout has you pegged pretty good. You just want to ignore the fact that your "no tax" guys passed a tax no matter how you look at it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James, you did it again!!! &#8220;those of you who regularly advocate more taxes regularly&#8221; You have accused me of being a &#8220;tax advocate&#8221; without a single shred of proof.  I am not a tax advocate and you can&#8217;t prove me to be one.  All you can do is use your phony &#8220;guilt by association.&#8221; Oh, and NoVA Scout has you pegged pretty good. You just want to ignore the fact that your &#8220;no tax&#8221; guys passed a tax no matter how you look at it.</p>
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