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McQuigg Responds on 51st District Convention

By Greg L | 2 July 2007 | 51st HOD District | 51 Comments

Delegate Michele McQuigg, who is now running for Clerk of the Court, has asked me to post the following in regards to her role in the 51st District Convention.  For those of you concerned about what happened there, the following sheds some light on what happened behind the scenes:

There seems to be confusion about my role in the 51st District Convention.

Mike May and I co-chaired the Credentials Committee not the Elections Committee. We had nothing to do with the actual voting.

The Credentials Committee was the only committee that had co-chairmen as well as 2 people from each campaign—an even number of members. The details were immense. Everything was checked and rechecked. The committee met 27 hours in less than 2 weeks. Everything the committee did was in pairs—a representative from each campaign worked together on everything we did. When the copies of the forms were made, there was a representative from each campaign at each copier—the campaign representative for the forms being copied put them in the copier in case the machine jammed and destroyed the original. The list of delegates was reviewed and rechecked several times. The packets with name tags and lists were put together and reviewed by a team with a member from each campaign.

On the day of the convention, 20 check-in tables were set up with a member from each campaign at each station. Once check-in closed, each check-in team counted the number of people they signed in by precinct, filled out a report and both signed it. Then members of the committee—again one from each campaign—reviewed it and picked up the packets. The co-chairman separately totaled the numbers from each tally sheet.

My only involvement was with the Credentials Committee. The Elections Committee was in charge of the election and was chaired by Ruth Griggs (Lucas supporter) and had 2 members from each campaign. After voting was closed, Ruth requested Credentials to come in to meet with the Elections Committee to ask a few administrative questions. Once that was done, we were asked to leave. That was the only activity we (Credentials) had with elections.

Why didn’t I immediately comply with Julie’s request for copies of the check-in sheets made late Sunday after the convention? I didn’t know what the process was at that point and who was supposed to have the records and who and how the copies were to be made. There were no RPV guidelines and there were no agreed upon guidelines. The Credentials Committee operated in pairs—one person from each campaign. Until or unless both sides agreed with what to do with the information and the process to follow, then I needed a legal opinion from RPV as to what to do. RPV was slow…Finally, both sides agreed to give it to the convention chairman – not the 51st district chairman who had a business relationship with one campaign nor the 11th district chairman who had a business relationship with the other campaign. On the evening of agreement, I gave the records to the convention chairman, who made copies and gave them to each campaign.

Thank you,

Michele

And thank you, Delegate McQuigg.  This sort of open and honest discussion will do a lot to resolve concerns that continue to linger, and point out where we can improve the process of nominating candidates by convention, should we ever decide to do so again.  This debacle deserves a full and open accounting.  I just wish there were more folks who recognize the need to engage the party membership in this process, as the credibility of whatever result comes from this will be significantly improved by the transparency of the review process.



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51 Comments

  1. OPDitch said on 2 Jul 2007 at 10:14 am:
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    Thank you Michele for these comments. However, this just skims the surface of what really happened. When I get back from my trip, I’ll provide more information about my experience on the credentials committee, and some other activities that I was aware of. Of course, I don’t know how much I will be able to tell, since Tom Kopko has not yet acted on the appeal. I hope I can get clearance from Julie to tell what I know about what happened.

  2. AWCheney said on 2 Jul 2007 at 10:20 am:
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    Think he’ll act on it by Labor Day??

  3. Batson D. Belfrey said on 2 Jul 2007 at 10:36 am:
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    “Think he’ll act on it by Labor Day??”

    My guess would be he’ll act on it around November 1st.

    My beef with McQuigg isn’t about the credential check-in, it’s about who the credentials committee allowed to vote. Rules were bent here, to favor Gill. It’s no secret that McQuigg is a Gill supporter.

    I will not support McQuigg for clerk. She had no business endorsing in a contested nomination process, and then serving as a chairman of the committee that made the call as to who could attend. She sold herself out to Koko faster than Faust, to get her convention. When you dance with the Devil, you don’t change the Devil, the Devil changes you. Sorry Michelle. Can’t do it. No donations, no door-knocking, and most of all, no vote.

  4. Jonathan Mark said on 2 Jul 2007 at 10:50 am:
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    Success has many fathers, but failure is an orphan.

    Did the Credentials Committee provide lists of each precincts credentialed delegates to the staffers at each precinct’s voting stations? If not, why not?

    Did the Credentials committee even prepare such lists for distribution?

    That is the million dollar question. If such precinct-by-precinct lists of convention voters, which only McQuigg’s committee could have prepared, had been in the hands of those collecting the ballots then the overvotes could probably have been avoided, and invalid votes could have been caught before they were cast.

    A second problem. Michelle McQuigg was not at all shy about her backing of Gill last March 31, 2007. Shespoke from the podium at Faisal Gill’s HOD-51 campaign kickoff in Woodbridge on 3/31/07. She announced that she was voting for Faisal Gill.

    The other Credentials co-chair, Mike May, did not announce that he was supporting or voting for either candidate. So the supposed bi-partisanship of which Michelle McQuigg speaks broke down at the highest level. Gill had one announced Gill voter and campaigner (McQuigg) co-chairing the credentials committee, Julie did not have one.

    That is the reality. Under those circumstances, Michelle McQuigg should explain why as Credentials committee co-chair she spoke from the podium at Faisal Gill’s 3/31/07 campaign rally. Why did she announce from that Gill campaign podium that she was voting for Gill? Mike May didn’t announce that he was voting for anyone.

    McQuigg ought to have followed Mike May’s example. For a chair of the Conventions committee to have spoken from the podium at a rally for one of the candidates is unseemly, and corrupts the process.

    Gill is now, probably, on a state ballot because of someone’s malfeasance. Given Gill’s complete unfitness for office (he is the former chief lobbyist for the imprisoned Abdurahman Alamoudi’s American Muslim Council) that affects everyone.

    Virginia isn’t London, England. We don’t have the same problem with local terrorists that England has. But Alamoudi was a local terrorist, and Gill worked as chief lobbyist for the organization which Alamoudi founded and led.

    Those who want Gill’s work for Alamoudi to become the acceptable norm can do what McQuigg did and, while serving as the Credentials Committee chair, speak at a Gill convention campaign rally.

  5. Fed Up said on 2 Jul 2007 at 11:01 am:
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    Michele was quick to put out that Griggs who supported Lucas, but where does she admit that McQuigg supports Faisal???
    The entire convention was a mess that many of us hasn’t seen in the past.
    I believe the Election Committee worked with what the Credentials gave them. And anyone who watched Griggs when she was Supervisor,knows that she always spoke her mind and was on the side of the citizens.She’s one smart person.
    McQuigg and a few others never had anything good to say about those that didn’t march to their tune. Well it’s all over now,as they have chased out good Republicans and we are Independents. Until a full revamping is done with the local party.

  6. Jonathan Mark said on 2 Jul 2007 at 11:33 am:
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    http://gofaisalgo.blogspot.com/2007/06/faisal-gills-impressive-campaign.html

    Here’s a link to an article on the Fans Of Faisal blog. You can see McQuigg speaking from and sitting on the podium at the 3/31/07 Gill For Delegate kickoff rally. With her are Gill himself, Ken Cuccinelli, Bill Bolling, Corey Stewart and Scott Lingamfelter.

    Now the overvote-ridden HOD-51 Convention and the Gill candidacy have blown up in the hands of those who prepared them, like those suicide bombs that terrorists put together in their homes. Michelle McQuigg is embarrassed, AS WELL SHE SHOULD BE.

  7. anon said on 2 Jul 2007 at 12:06 pm:
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    The voters of the 51st should be able to inspect all the delegate forms and all the voting forms. Let the people examine the situation. Right now it is hidden from everybody.

    Those of us in our own neighborhoods might recognize fraudulent names on the delegate rolls or might know that a certain person didn’t vote that day.

    The delegate lists and voting lists should be made public so that we can inspect them.

  8. anon said on 2 Jul 2007 at 2:40 pm:
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    Looks like the McCain campaign with many Bush operatives is imploding. Other politicians should beware that not fighting Illegal immigration will lead to your political demise.

    The local PW candidates need to state specifically and in detail what they will do about illegal immigration. Simply stating that one is against illegal immigration is not good enough.

    Prince William county pols need to take stands and support and support anti illegal immigration efforts at the local, state and national level.

  9. Clean it UP in '07 said on 2 Jul 2007 at 4:44 pm:
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    She just confirmed that as Credentials Co-Chair she was indeed part of the problem. I want her to also confirm whether foreign nationals voted in this nomination contet — and what did she as the Credentials Co-Chair do to make sure it didn’t happen (I suspect that there and she didn’t).

    I must also agree with Jonathan Mark’s comment above. The Credentials Committee failed to provide the voting committee with proper lists. So, she cannot escape falling on the sword with the other obvious offenders.

  10. Jonathan Mark said on 2 Jul 2007 at 5:40 pm:
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    “”"The local PW candidates need to state specifically and in detail what they will do about illegal immigration. Simply stating that one is against illegal immigration is not good enough.”"”

    Here is what Faisal Gill is doing about illegal immigration. His immigration law firm Gill and Gallinger is advertising among illegal immigrants that it can stop deportations by making dilatory filings which assert that UN laws supersede those of the US.

    Every so-called opponent of illegal immigration who endorsed the immigration law firm partner Gill, including Ken Cuccinelli, IS A HYPOCRITE.

    As for Gill, I am sure that Gill tells HOD-51 voters that he is opposed to illegal immigration. I wonder if Gill tells Gill and Gallinger’s illegal immigrant clients that?

    I heard Gill performing like a trained seal at the HOD-51 convention. He rattled off what he thought his audience wanted to hear, including, a la Gertrude Stein, “illegal is illegal is illegal is illegal.” This guy is really a deep intellect. No wonder he graduated from American University Law School.

    But I wonder if Faisal Gill says that to illegal immigrants who snuck into the US and now, as they are about to be deported, want Gill and Gallinger to file one of those asylum requests. Does Gill tell his firm’s illegal immigrant clients that “illegal is illegal is illegal is illegal?”

    Here is what Gill and Gallinger say to the illegal immigrants themselves. That is, when Gill is not running for office.

    http://gillgallinger.com/practice_immigration.asp

    “”"We can also help you apply for Withholding of Removal (allowing you stay in the U.S. when otherwise eligible for deportation) and gaining protection based on the United Nations Convention Against Torture.

    Deportation/Removal
    Even if you or your loved one is already in the process of being removed from the U.S., Gill & Gallinger may be able to help. We can help you qualify for protection from deportation based on Cancellation of Removal, Waiver of Deportation, Asylum, or other
    methods. Time is extremely important in situations dealing with possible removal, so contact the Gill & Gallinger today for a free consultation.”"”

  11. Lyle said on 2 Jul 2007 at 6:07 pm:
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    The Lucas campaign agreed with the co-chair arrangement because we were uneasy about Michele’s endorsement of Faisal in such a pivotal position. Not that we thought Michele’s judgement would be corrupt, just that the Gill campaign would get a better shot at her ear in a close call. After several alternatives were nixed by one side or the other, we settled on the co-chair arrangement as the best that could be obtained. If she had thought Michele had truly been compromised as in the case of Chairman Kopko, I don’t think Julie would have agreed to her being a chair. As it was, we ended up with about what we thought we would get; an endless slugfest to get as many of the squirrelly Gill delegate forms OK’d. We’d have been fine with having all forms with name or address defects thrown out because most of Julie’s were right in the first place. As it turns out, the Gill campaign got enough (just enough maybe) through.

    The only actual error Michele’s committee made was in reporting the number of delegates credentialed in Civic Center. If the correct count had been reported, there would have only been two precincts with obvious voting problems (overvotes). It also took forever to get all the wierd check-in problems resolved (also mostly Faisal’s delegate), which greatly delayed the committee report to the convention.

    It would have certainly been a good idea to produce delegate lists by precinct, but I’m not even sure whether the credentials committee was asked to.

    The committee also cannot assure us that there were no felons nor foreign nationals credentialed. Thanks to motor voter, Virginia has the same problem. They just take applicants at their word and follow up with voter fraud prosecutions afterward (which, incidentally, is why the Bush DOJ was so hot to have the USA’s prosecute voter fraud that they were willing to fire some to send a message).

    What I am unsure of is whether the sworn statements that some delegates were allowed to make to cure name and address problems would have been OK’d in a primary. That would be interesting to know. Certainly our standard should NOT be looser than the state’s.

  12. Jonathan Mark said on 2 Jul 2007 at 7:15 pm:
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    “”"It would have certainly been a good idea to produce delegate lists by precinct, but I’m not even sure whether the credentials committee was asked to.”"”

    How did Michele McQuigg imagine that the precinct ballot box officials were going to prevent invalid votes, if they didn’t have a list of who could vote and who could not?

    Michele McQuigg should have prepared the precinct-by-precinct lists and offered them to the precinct ballot box officials. The latter should have asked McQuigg for a list.

    McQuigg and the ballot box officials were each fifty percent guilty. But the ballot box officials are not running for Court Clerk in order to retire with a fat, taxpayer-funded pension.

    I fail to see how presiding over an electoral meltdown strengthens the case for putting McQuigg in charge of courthouse legal documents. Does McQuigg even have any experience in courthouse management?

    When Therese LePore mismanaged the ballots and voting machines in West Palm Beach in late 2000 the predominantly Democratic electorate voted her out of office the next time she ran.

    Can the predominantly Republican voters in PWC do any less in the case of Michele “Eez No Ma Zhob!” McQuigg? Furthermore, a Republican is running for Court Clerk as an independent due to having been pushed out in one of Kopko’s deals. (Kopko claims malfunctioning e-mail prevented candidates from receiving notices of filing deadlines–Not his fault. It never is.)

    So the choice isn’t even between McQuigg and a Dem. It is between McQuigg and a fellow Republican, and one who is probably better qualified.

    Beauchamp could surely not be less qualified than McQuigg.

  13. CONVA said on 2 Jul 2007 at 7:28 pm:
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    If you want an indication of McQuigg’s ineptitude viv-a-vis management ask some of the staffers down in Richmond. They had her number as “Atilla the Hen”. Her biggest claim to fame was the unsatisfactory bill to get the vanity auro plate commemorating pigs.

  14. Batson D. Belfrey said on 2 Jul 2007 at 8:37 pm:
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    Word has it that those in the Clerk’s office want NOTHING to do with McQuigg. I asked someone why, and was told that she is just plain mean.

  15. James Young said on 2 Jul 2007 at 11:10 pm:
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    It’s easy to understand why bureaucrats in the Clerk’s office would prefer Beauchamp to McQuigg. After all, they’ve observed how Beauchamp has allowed herself to be run by the educrats in the school system for years. Better qualified? By what standard? Those of Democrat Jonathan Mark? Those of bureaucrats who don’t want a leader in that position?

  16. anon said on 3 Jul 2007 at 12:28 am:
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    Hmmm… How long do McQuigg’s employees usually last in her employ? Not too long.

    A few adjectives from those who have worked “beneath” her … mean, hateful, spiteful, a shrew … I could go on.

    Also, Nothing is EVER her fault.

    I can’t speak to Lucy’s qualifications for the job, but I can say that McQuigg has NOTHING in her past that even remotely qualifies her for the position.

    And is Mr. Young saying that Dave Mabie was NOT a leader? He must be, since these very same Clerk office employees were pleased to work for him but are dismayed at the prospect of McQuigg as their “leader”. Having seen her in action, I would say that “dictator” would be more apropos.

  17. Clean it UP in '07 said on 3 Jul 2007 at 7:06 am:
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    Michelle McQuigg made a choice. She put Gill’s election ahead of her own by lowering the standard by which you allow a filing form to be acceptable for voting credentials in a nominating convention. It’s also getting tiresome to hear people blame it on motor voter. The credentials committee had a job and they failed to maintain any sort of acceptable standard. In short, they failed.

    Here’s her problem now. It worked for Gill, but now it will blow up in McQuigg’s face. Gill got to use those people as voters before we could find out more information about them (how much they fudged on their voter “applications” that may not ever be acceptable to voter registration rules). Now the voters will have information made available to them exactly who Michelle McQuigg credentialed to vote in a nominating convention. Imagine if one of these people are found to be an illegal alien. In the current political environment, there will be quite a bit of fallout. We have plenty of time to single out suspect individuals who were credentialed by Michelle McQuigg’s committee and let the voters decide if her judgment is sufficient for someone who wants to be Clerk of the Court.

    Maybe this was a political calculation that was suppose to pan out…..it won’t. As I said, before Michelle McQuigg made a choice – now the voters can decide her fate.

  18. Bryanna said on 3 Jul 2007 at 7:43 am:
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    The most concerning portion of the responsibilities of a Clerk of the Court is as follows:

    In criminal cases, the Clerk makes certain that all proceedings are recorded and memorialized in the form of court orders, and coordinates case scheduling and other case-related activities with prosecutors and law enforcement. The Clerk’s Office also lends overall judicial support by managing juries, MAINTAINING AND DISPOSING OF EVIDENCE, issuing arrest and other legal documents to be served, investing/distributing monies on the part of litigants or third party beneficiaries, collecting criminal fines and costs, and serving as repository for the Court’s records. Inquiries concerning the Court, its procedures and policies, and the Court’s records should be directed to the Clerk’s Office, which essentially serves as the Court’s clearinghouse for information. In conjunction with this responsibility and in accordance with statutory provisions, the Clerk’s Office routinely provides statistical data, case-related information and court documents to state, local, and federal agencies as well as to the general public, attorneys, litigants, and the media.

    Michele McQuigg openly referred to Faisal Gill as a TERRORIST, and I quote, “If voters in the 51st have to choose between a terrorist and a sexual predator, the sexual predator will win, and I don’t blame them.”
    This statement was made by Mrs. McQuigg when she believed she was facing a convention herself and she needed Kopko, Stewart, Lingamfelter, etc. Shortly thereafter, Kopko forced her opponent Lucy Beauchamp out of the race by reissuing the Call for the 51st Convention while Ms. Beauchamp was away for a one week planned vacation.

    This far right alliance that includes McQuigg has Republican’s fleeing the Party. Republicans are appalled by this ruthless behavior and well aware of the lack of integrity demonstrated by all that have surrounded Faisal Gill. Being the endorsed Republican no longer holds influence. There is no way McQuigg can be trusted to act with honesty and integrity after all of this scandal and double talk.

    This will either go to the Republican who was forced out by Kopko to run as an Independent or the Democrat Bill Ryland who is a well known conservative attorney in PWC.

    Another seat goes blue thanks to Kopko, Stewart, Gill, Lingamfelter and Daugherty.

    Oh yeah, one more thing. The Clerk of Court outsources its legal work and the lucky recipient of this handsome contract is Supervisor Wally Covington, Brentsville District.

  19. anon said on 3 Jul 2007 at 8:32 am:
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    Questions:

    1. Is that THE republitarian at 7:43 am?

    2. Where does that quote come from?

  20. anon said on 3 Jul 2007 at 8:47 am:
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    Republitarian, you mean the christian right supports muslims? Or is there another far right group that you are referring to.

    I do not consider most of the individuals part of the far right crowd. They have never spoken or been spotted at very many local rightwing events in Virginia or Washington D.C.

    I am sure the more we examine their voting records the less right they become.

    I think McQuigg is a moderate on most issues, not far right based on her voting record.

  21. AWCheney said on 3 Jul 2007 at 1:36 pm:
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    Anon, whether members or not, they are using the rightwing to their own ends. They are giving that “rightwing” a very bad name, because there are SO many like them hiding amongst the flock.

  22. Lyle said on 3 Jul 2007 at 4:18 pm:
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    “How did Michele McQuigg imagine that the precinct ballot box officials were going to prevent invalid votes, if they didn’t have a list of who could vote and who could not?”

    Each delegate at the convention had a credential with name, and precinct. To get a ballot, the delegate had to present his/her credential and a picture ID.

    The list of delegates by precinct would have been a good double check, but there was a system in place to properly ID the delegates before they voted. It worked at the table that I worked at (Bethel), but it failed at some of the others.

    It is not fair to blame McQuigg for everything that went wrong in the voting process. If the elections committee asked for lists and didn’t get them, that’s a problem for the credentials committee. If not, then the credentials committee is not at fault.

    The only question for the credentials committee is, “Did they credential ALL and ONLY legal and qualified voters who properly filed for the convention?” Whoever wants to examine the evidence on THAT question should be allowed to do so.

  23. Clean it UP in '07 said on 3 Jul 2007 at 4:38 pm:
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    It was her choice to advance Gill’s political fortunes above her own. I was simply pointing out that she made that choice, now she will pay the political price.

    It was a lame choice on her part to even go near that mess. But she stupidly thought she’d gain politically by getting tangled up with Kopko and Co….now she will go down in flames in November. She gave Lucy Beauchamp a big ole gift of an opening you could drive a Mack truck through.

  24. Jonathan Mark said on 3 Jul 2007 at 4:40 pm:
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    “”"Each delegate at the convention had a credential with name, and precinct. To get a ballot, the delegate had to present his/her credential and a picture ID.”"”

    A number of people, including Republitarian, went home early without voting because of delays in voting. There is nothing in the above system which would have stopped someone who left early from giving his or her ballot to a credentialed friend.

    “”"The list of delegates by precinct would have been a good double check, but there was a system in place to properly ID the delegates before they voted. It worked at the table that I worked at (Bethel),”"”

    How do you know it worked in Bethel precinct and that there were no invalid votes cast there? Because there were no overvotes there? Recall that all overvotes are invalid votes, but not all invalid votes are overvotes.

    What if the number of persons in Bethel precinct who went home without voting was larger than the number of invalid votes? The lack of overvotes does not mean that the number of invalid votes was zero.

    What would have stopped someone in Bethel, let alone the overvoted precincts, from putting two ballots in the ballot box, her own and a friend’s?

    “”"but it failed at some of the others.”"”

    Well, we agree that the system failed in two precincts at least. Roberts Rules of Order says that in such cases the corrupted vote tally cannot be used to determine the winner. Kopko thinks otherwise, and apparently intends to sit on Julie’s appeal until November.

    “”"It is not fair to blame McQuigg for everything that went wrong in the voting process.”"”

    I don’t blame her for everything. I blame her for the lack of a system to ensure that only credentialed voters cast ballots, and only cast ballots once. Such a system would have required McQuigg to provide lists of credentialed delegates to the officials at each precinct’s ballot boxes.

    “”"If the elections committee asked for lists and didn’t get them, that’s a problem for the credentials committee.”"”

    It is a problem for the Credentials committee anyway, because they didn’t do what they needed to do to prevent fraud, namely, offer to provide and then provide delegate lists to officials at each precinct’s ballot boxes.

    “”"If not, then the credentials committee is not at fault.”"”

    The Credentials Committee is fifty percent at fault for not doing what it needed to do in order to prevent fraud and/or overvotes.

    “”"The only question for the credentials committee is, “Did they credential ALL and ONLY legal and qualified voters who properly filed for the convention?” Whoever wants to examine the evidence on THAT question should be allowed to do so.”"”

    Given that McQuigg is running for Court Clerk her lack of a proactive approach to this fiasco is relevant to her qualifications for office. She apparently has no background whatever in courthouse management and is simply seeking the Clerk’s job so that she can retire with a higher pension.

    Amazingly, those who call themselves anti-tax activists want the taxpayers to fund McQuigg’s retirement by means of putting her in a higher paying job for the last few years of her career.

    Just who is going to be paying McQuigg’s higher pension, may I ask? Isn’t it the taxpayers?

    What is wrong with social security anyway? That is what most people have to settle for, along with their own savings. Why should McQuigg be any different?

  25. Clean it UP in '07 said on 3 Jul 2007 at 7:17 pm:
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    I can assure you, nobody is going to be paying that high pension. Her political career is over.

  26. whackette said on 3 Jul 2007 at 7:59 pm:
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    No, that isn’t the REAL Republitarian. Just a cheap imitation.

  27. freedom said on 4 Jul 2007 at 7:31 am:
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    Michelle says that everything was “double-checked”….well if that’s so, Civic Center should have been “triple-checked.” Oh, and I assume that all of the “summary sheets” (that the volunteers prepared) were double-checked and certified as correct by the Credentials Committee. Is that correct?

    We shall remember the 51st when voting in November; we don’t need that kind of ineptitude in the court.

  28. Bryanna said on 5 Jul 2007 at 2:52 pm:
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    Bottom line is that numerous vehicles parked outside the convention were from North Carolina, Maryland and had Gill stickers. Another pattern was the cars with VA tags had a dealership labels from the Herndon area. I live in PWC and buy my car from a local dealership so I bring it for service close to home.

    Many of us local Republican’s commented that we had never seen these folks at a Republican event, at the local grocery store, with their children at school, on the bus stop or anywhere in our neighborhoods.

    I suspect they were either Democrats, have multiple addresses they use for this purpose and or to confuse Immigration Naturalization and or FBI of their whereabouts, and their main place of residence is outside of Prince William.

    How do we know if they are citizen’s of the United States of America? Where these Delegates really qualified to vote? Gimme a break!

    I hold Kopko, McQuigg, and everyone else accountable for failing to properly qualify the delegates! If there was any doubt, then McQuigg who is asking to be voted into a position of great responsibility is unfit to serve as Clerk of Courts.

  29. Anonymous said on 5 Jul 2007 at 3:10 pm:
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    I want to see the delegate lists. I want to verify the names. Where do we get the list?

    Is it with McQuigg?

  30. Bryanna said on 5 Jul 2007 at 3:12 pm:
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    To: anon said on 3 Jul 2007 at 8:47 am

    The “far right” that has HIJACKED our Prince William GOP Committee.
    Ask JY, I’m sure he will enjoy elaborating on it.

  31. Bryanna said on 5 Jul 2007 at 3:23 pm:
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    Does Kopko have the authority to delay responding to the appeal until November?

    Kopko who is on Gill’s payroll should be investigated for Voter Fraud.

  32. Anonymous said on 5 Jul 2007 at 5:12 pm:
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    I would like to see JY elaborate on the right wing being hijacked. I have never seen or heard any of the local Republican candidates at any of the national conservative events held in D.C. I have seen PWC candidates at Virginia conservative events and they were challenged by others in the conservative circles.

    Alot of the local PWC republicans just proclaim themselves right wing when they are not because they think it will help them get elected.

    The PWC republican candidates know to spout the conservative platitudes like trained monkeys, but when it comes to voting it is another story.

  33. Jonathan Mark said on 5 Jul 2007 at 5:52 pm:
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    It is not just a question of how politicians vote, but also of what they do.

    One problem I have is that Ken Cuccinelli claims to be opposed to illegal immigration. But he endorsed a partner in an illegal immigration law firm, Faisal Gill, for HOD-51.

    You can read Gill and Gallinger’s pitch to illegal immigrants on how it can help them remain stateside on Gill and Gallinger’s website. It appears that a significant portion of the partners’ income is representing illegal aliens.

    Do Cuccinelli, Stewart and others who claim to oppose illegal immigration approve of Faisal Gill advertising among illegal immigrants that he will file dilatory appeals in order to to delay deportation?

    Cuccinelli and Stewart oppose illegal immigration up until the time when their allies like Gill start to profit from illegal immigration. At that point Cuccinelli and Stewart aren’t so opposed to illegal immigration after all. At least, Cuccinelli and Stewart didn’t opposed illegal immigration enough to refrain from endorsing Faisal Gill, the partner in the illegal immigration law firm of Gill and Gallinger.

    Here are some Gill and Gallinger statements aimed at people who entered or remained in the US illegally, never bothered to apply for asylum (that would give the game away) and now that they have been caught they want, belatedly, to delay deportation with dilatory asylum findings:

    http://gillgallinger.com/practice_immigration.asp

    “”"We can also help you apply for Withholding of Removal (allowing you stay in the U.S. when otherwise eligible for deportation) and gaining protection based on the United Nations Convention Against Torture.

    Deportation/Removal

    Even if you or your loved one is already in the process of being removed from the U.S., Gill & Gallinger may be able to help. We can help you qualify for protection from deportation based on Cancellation of Removal, Waiver of Deportation, Asylum, or other methods. Time is extremely important in situations dealing with possible removal, so contact the Gill & Gallinger today for a free consultation.”"”

  34. Lyle said on 5 Jul 2007 at 6:23 pm:
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    Jonathan Mark, you are a little off in your questions because you are envision a different process than the one that was in place.

    1. If you left early, you didn’t get a ballot. The ballots were issued AT the voting table AFTER the credential was checked and marked as receiving a ballot. Uncredentialed voters almost certainly did not vote.

    2. The ballots were numbered and had the precinct name printed on them. Afterward, the election committee examined every ballot. All the ballots in each precinct ballot box matched the precinct. It is possible that valid ballots were issued to delegates from the wrong precinct, but not two ballots to one delegate and so forth. Each precinct had a Gill and a Lucas volunteer working together, so it is very unlikely that a table would have colluded to issue ballots fraudulently.

    3. At the end of the balloting, we checked the number of ballots we issued vs the number in the bin and got an exact match. I guess we can’t prove that we didn’t have a delegate from another precinct vote in Bethel because there is no paper trail of the hand credential check. We only know that there was no ballot box stuffing because we issued numbered ballots, sat by the ballot box and got the same number back that we issued.

    I think hindsight is 20/20 because we certainly have conducted successful conventions in the past with less ballot security.

    Regarding the voting procedures, I don’t find anything in Robert’s Rules that mandates the kind of ballot security you describe, and the question of what to do with the overvoted proecincts isn’t directly addressed. However, the vote counting section od RONR seems to indicate that when invalid votes are commingled with valid votes and cannot be separated, both are thrown out. That seems to be the heart of the appeal. We know there are invalid votes in Lake Ridge and Penn, we just don’t know which ones.

  35. Lars said on 5 Jul 2007 at 6:58 pm:
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    “we certainly have conducted successful conventions in the past with less ballot security.”

    That certainly says it all Lyle.

  36. OPDitch said on 5 Jul 2007 at 7:31 pm:
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    Lyle,
    I generally agree with most of what you said, with a few exceptions. While I didn’t participate as a Voting/Elections volunteer, I did spend a lot of time in the voting room observing. I was on the credentials committee. When you said:
    “1. If you left early, you didn’t get a ballot. The ballots were issued AT the voting table AFTER the credential was checked and marked as receiving a ballot. Uncredentialed voters almost certainly did not vote.”
    I have some concern about the use of a generic Avery Program that I understand McQuigg used to create the credential badges. There should have been some unique marking on them, but the committee didn’t think of that I guess. I was able to recreate some very good looking “credentials” after the convention with the use of the Avery program. IF someone was familiar with what was put on the badges, someone could have created badges for people who may not have passed the credentials committee scrutiny. I’ll be happy to show you the “fake” badges I was able to create.

    The reason I undertook this exercise, was due to the fact that we found out after the Convention that someone from the Gill campaign Elections Committee actually created the voting ballot computer files. Some ostensibly “sample” ballots showed up in the hallway before the voting process started. So the Gill campaign used their access to the ballot files to print “samples”. I guess we should inquire of McQuigg if she had any help creating the credential badges, or did she do it all by herself. I guess that would be a good question for Kopko to ask McQuigg during his “utmost in care, thoroughness” plan.

    While you as an experienced convention participant felt comfortable with the control of the ballot boxes/containers, I didn’t see that they were very well controlled. The two people handling the precinct that I voted in were very busy handling the next voters after me so they didn’t really observe me or even the person in front of me who stepped aside to mark their ballot. I’m sure they didn’t even see me put my ballot into the box. So if I had been accidentally handed two ballots, they would not have seen me put them both in the box.

  37. anon said on 6 Jul 2007 at 9:25 am:
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    Lyle your comments are very funny.

    “We only know that there was no ballot box stuffing because we issued numbered ballots, sat by the ballot box and got the same number back that we issued.” Such a declarative statement with no basis in fact.

    The fact that there are more votes than delegates in certain districts proves there is either incompetent ballot monitoring or possibly ballot stuffing.

    I did see laptop computers in the hallways, so somebody could have easily made more name tags. That is very ingenious, I would not have thought of that, but it would work. And of course if you can print up name tags, you can print up ballots.

    Faisal spent over fifty thousand dollars to get the three hundred or so delegates to show up. There would be a huge incentive to add a few extra ballots or have voters show up to the more heavily weighted precincts on purpose to put votes in the Lakeridge district.

  38. AWCheney said on 6 Jul 2007 at 12:56 pm:
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    There’s also the matter of Gill’s 10 year old son (or thereabout) being witnessed handing out ballots…and telling the individual in line who called him on it, “don’t worry about it.” Fresh kid, huh.

  39. Anonymous said on 6 Jul 2007 at 1:02 pm:
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    I guess every body is waiting for Kopko, RPV and the state board of elections to decide. It sure is taking a long time.

  40. anon said on 7 Jul 2007 at 9:38 am:
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    Here are some links on the Iraqi illegal alien pipeline and how it works.
    http://www.jsharf.com/view/

    http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/metro/stories/MYSA052007.01A.SIA_Main_PartOne.359e190.html

  41. Bryanna said on 7 Jul 2007 at 3:59 pm:
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    The fact that Gill proudly announced at the Convention that he would take his oath of office on the Quran has a profound message. His mission is to spread the rule of Islam and help to overthrow the CONSTITUTION!

    Omar M. Ahmad the Chairman of the nation’s Muslim-right group called CAIR has stated “Islam isn’t in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Quran should be the highest authority in America.”

    They will “seed discord among the ranks of the enemy”, which they have clearly accomplished in the 51st for Feisal “faisal” Muhammad Gill. With all respect to the many hard working and experienced volunteers who gave their time to this convention, it was a sham from the beginning. You can split hairs all day long, no opponent could have beat Gill.

    Gill was the head lobbyist for the American Muslim Council founded by Alamoudi a convicted terrorist. The AMC lobbied to weaken U.S. counterrerorism laws. CS, SL, BB, MM, DD are enabling a political coup by failing to recognize Gill’s allegiance is to Islam, not the United States because Rove and Norquist have them believing that the Muslim’s are the new GOP voter base.

    As for our lame duck Kopko whose full time job is in IT sales in the Federal space, a senior White House official of Persian origin was put in charge of government contracting and outsourcing, even though congressional lobbying records show he once lobbied on behalf of Alamoudi, along with Gill. A contract would pay a far greater sales commission than the $2,000. Kopko earned by the Gill campaign.

    Our Committee has been indirectly hijacked by Islamic Terrorists because some elected officials are motivated by greed that is based on sugar coated and deceptive lies. Northern VA (Prince William) is now a Sanctuary of TERROR. We can thank “W” for that.

  42. AWCheney said on 7 Jul 2007 at 5:04 pm:
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    Wow…that takes the term “opportunist” to an all new level. Way to go Kopko…you’re really setting the standard!

  43. Jonathan Mark said on 7 Jul 2007 at 5:07 pm:
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    “”"Gill was the head lobbyist for the American Muslim Council founded by Alamoudi a convicted terrorist. The AMC lobbied to weaken U.S. counterrerorism laws. CS, SL, BB, MM, DD are enabling a political coup by failing to recognize Gill’s allegiance is to Islam, not the United States because Rove and Norquist have them believing that the Muslim’s are the new GOP voter base.”"”

    Don’t forget about KC, state senator Ken Cuccinelli (R-37) who travelled to Woodbridge on 3/31/07 to endorse Faisal Gill at Gill’s campaign kickoff.

    It is too bad that Gill’s minion Michele McQuigg, who also spoke at Gill’s campaign kickoff, didn’t use her position as Credentials co-chair to stop overvoting and fraudulent voter badges. Now we cannot even say who really got more votes at the June convention.

  44. Bryanna said on 7 Jul 2007 at 9:06 pm:
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    Jonathon, thanks for adding in Cuccinelli.

    What’s the story on Cuccinelli’s law partner representing Gill in court a couple of weeks ago? I heard Gill entered a guilty plea on his reckless driving charge and the judge allowed him to keep his drivers license!

    To quote Michelle Malkin…http://michellemalkin.com/2004/06/22/who-is-faisal-gill/

    “How does a guy with no intelligence background get appointed director of intelligence policy at DHS–and how does he keep that job and his security clearance after committing two possible felonies by failing to list his two foreign-funded employers on sworn government forms?!?!?!?!”

    “Republicans need to get over their fears of Norquist, put the nation’s interests first, and raise holy hell about this. If they don’t, Democrats will. And they should.”

    “Gill also worked in 2001 for a Muslim political outreach organization that Norquist co-founded with a former top aide to Alamoudi.” “”

  45. Bryanna said on 8 Jul 2007 at 4:56 am:
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    Case Number: GT07035772-00 File Date: 02/23/07 Complainant: SOLO, P J Locality: COMMONWEALTH OF VA Defendant: GILL, FAISAL M Defense Attorney: DAY, CHRISTOPHER 268-5600 City/State Address: WOODBRIDGE, VA 22192 Sex: Male Race: Other (Includes Not Applicable, Unknown)

    DOB: 06/02/**** Charge: 081/55 RECKLESS Code Section: A.46.2-862 Case Type: Misdemeanor Class: 1 Amended Charge: 074/55 SPEEDING Amended Code Section: G.46.2-870 Amended Case Type: Infraction

    Offense Date: 02/02/07 Arrest Date: 00000 Hearings Number Date Time Result Hearing Type Courtroom Plea Min Continuance Code 02 04/17/07 0925AM Continued Motion

    03 04/19/07 0930AM Continued Adjudicatory 1D

    923 Defendant 04 06/21/07 0930AM Finalized Adjudicatory 1B Guilty 927

    Final Disposition in District Court: Guilty Fines/Costs Paid: 06/21/07

    Sentence Time: Sentence Suspension Time: Operator License Suspension Time: Fine: $200.00

    Cost: $57.00 Operator License Restriction Codes: Restriction Start Date: Restriction End Date: VASAP:

  46. Jonathan Mark said on 8 Jul 2007 at 5:03 am:
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    Chris Day is Cuccinelli’s law partner in Cuccinelli and Day.

  47. anon said on 8 Jul 2007 at 10:03 am:
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    As to the credentials and uncredentialed people voting:

    You most certainly could have left early and still had a vote cast.

    Just give your badge to someone else. Gotta go to work? No problem, pass off your credential to your cousin, a non-citizen, who is waiting outside.

    How much time passed between getting your credential and actually voting? A lot. Enough time to copy your badge and have your non-citizen buddy stand at the end of the line in a big precinct while you stand at the front. No one would even notice that there were 2 votes from the same name - because there was no roster. A roster would have been the most common sense thing, and yet it was “overlooked.” Somehow I doubt it was “accidentally” overlooked.

  48. Bryanna said on 8 Jul 2007 at 11:37 pm:
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    Michelle, do you have copies of all the delegate forms submitted to credentials? If so, please turn them over to the FBI for further investigation. Were the intended convention delegates verified as legal citizens, registered voters, do they live in the 51st, were their names checked against suspected terrorist list?

    I am aware of a fraudulant delegate form submitted by a Gill volunteer that doesn’t live in the 51st but voted at the convention. Is it possible that some of the delegates who were allowed to vote deceivingly obtained false addresses by way of renting or owning property in PW, but in truth live full time in the Wahhabi Corridor?

    Is this a wake up call? Is Gill part of Abdurahman Alamoudi’s Islamic Brotherhood? An Ummah who supports jihadist? A a facilitator of Islamic terrorism? Is his true political goal to roll back U.S. support for Israel and weakening U.S. anti-terrorism laws.

    Never forget, Gill worked as head lobbyist for a convicted terrorist with proven ties to Al-qaida and Osama bin Ladin. He failed to disclose this on his job application to Homeland Security. At the convention he stated, “I am proud of the organizations that I have worked for in the past!”

    The VA Jihad network is plotting future attacks on America. Don’t be fooled. If you, or Kopko have sufficient reason to question anything you witnessed at the convention, turn it over to the appropriate authorities for further investigation. It’s never too late to do the right thing.

  49. Harry said on 9 Jul 2007 at 8:30 am:
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    We all know that Michele is far from being the sharpest knife in the drawer and could not possibly be expected to do much of anything correctly with the exception of possibly making it to the bathroom in time…although that would be a challenge for her.

  50. Barbara said on 16 Jul 2007 at 9:44 pm:
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    Sorry Michele, I just don’t buy it. The one positive outcome of this so-called convention, was giving voters a preview of the job you would do as Clerk of The Court.

  51. Publicus said on 22 Jul 2007 at 12:32 pm:
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    This convention was a SAD day for the Republican Party and for democracy in general.

    It was crooked from the start being officiated by KOPKO — a paid consultant to Gill and only degenrated further through a series of missteps ragning from incompotent (over-credentialing, over-voting and failiure to accurately acount the number of credentialed delegates per precinct) to outright crooked (Kopko’s refusual to act on an obviously tainted election).

    The net result is the nominaton of a candidate who is obviously unelectable. So much so that this may be the only open Republican seat in the Commonwealth where there will be no serious attempt by the Republican Party of Virginia to hold it.

    Gill never should have run.

    Our leaders never should have become his patsies.

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