Zapatista Army Affiliate To Protest in PWC Today
By Greg L | 10 July 2007 | Zapatistas, Prince William County | 93 Comments
Added to the mix of today’s meeting of the Prince William County Board of Supervisors will be a protest of the local affiliate of the Zapatista Army of National Liberation, Mexicanos Sin Fronteras at 1PM. For those not familiar with this group of anarchist Mexican revolutionaries, you can find a briefing on them here.
This should be an interesting day.
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Take lots of pictures if you can!
It will be on tv……Layfayette, go grab the flags out of my yard!
Where are some Contras when you really need them?
If ANYONE goes…PLEASE bring posters of Ronald Reagan!!!
Someone needs to invite ICE.
ICE ICE Baby!!!
Bring THIS picture of Reagan.
http://eightiesclub.tripod.com/9fa5aee0.png
I can’t stand it! I want to be there so bad but I have to be here at work so I can pay taxes for people to steal~
Redawn: haha i concur!
I bet Nova Scout would say these people were forced to take this position in reaction to the angry natives who obviously support genocide of a certain ethnic group.
YOU CAN LISTEN LIVE TO THE PWCBOS MEETING @ THIS LINK
http://www.co.prince-william.va.us/default.aspx?topic=020016001420001771
Man, there’s some anti-resolution Harry Reid sounding weenie talking about not “increasing” the feelings of “hate”.
Give me a break.
There are around 100 people signed up to talk at 3 min.s a pc….it will be going on for sometime…ALONG NIGHT!
There we go, another illegal supporting urging defeat of the resolution so PWC doesn’t become the racist “capital” of America.
These people are pathetic.
Yup, and yet they want to be treated like any other American. Yet, they want their own rules based on their own ideas. If any elected official after hearing these folks speak, does not vote for this, they should be ashamed of themselves. To allow law breakers, yes law breakers, or criminals if you like, to attempt to guilt them into not voting for this would be a crime in itself.
The smugness and arrogance of these illegals and their supporters are really something. The fact they have no argument other then to yell racist and bigot is very telling. Yet, Nova scout thinks they would all make good Americans.
That guy just said that illegal aliens are like “lost dogs”!! and he is against Stirrups resolution.
A “teacher” now say that asking for ID will turn us into apartheid era South Africa!!
These people are delusional.
The ex-teacher wants us to be balkanized.
Uh, wait a second. Is the “teacher” implying that they’d prefer ANC era South Africa instead? If so we may as well skip straight to the end-game.
K,
I wonder if the ex-teacher has ever been to the Balkans? I was there during the mid-90s, and it wasn’t pretty.
Ask “teacher” if when pulled over, is it wrong for the police to ask for “license and registration”? I hate to say it, but not until an illegal commits a crime against people like the “teacher” will they change their hard-headed thinking.
Yes, American is great because of its immigrants. But THOSE immigrants came here and BECAME Americans. They LEARNED the language and did NOT act dumb to skirt laws.
The calling one racist for believing in America is growing old and needs to be put to rest. Which is racist, requiring someone to learn English, the language that the Constitution was written in, so the new immigrant can improve themself in a foreign land, or the immigrant who burns the American Flag, refuses to learn the English language and puts self before everyone else?
And I bet “teacher” calls the Right-wingers “Nazi’s”. Absolutely pathetic. Knows NOTHING about world affairs and probably has never even been overseas or read a history book.
SHocker, Ricardo Jaurez calls the resolution racist and discriminatory, and disregarded the expiration of his speaking time. Hey, why should he follow the rules?
SOMEONE should have given good old Ricardo a cup of “Shut the, (cough) Heck up” - lol
We are all going to have to have thick skin and laugh at these people while knowing the facts to a T.
They will not argue the facts and will resort to name calling, sob stories, and warning of an approaching fascism, when in fact of course they are the enemies of freedom and the rule of law.
Not to pick on Mexicans - although they WERE the ones getting their “official” papers at NVCC by the hundreds - these zapatistas need to go home and re-direct their energies and protests toward their OWN governments.
Oooh, now the resolution wreaks of “poisonous gas”.
No demagouging going on here.
Remember, it was the Mexicans who were shouting “OSAMA!!!” from the bleachers a few years back at the U.S.-Mexico soccer match!!!
Actually, the “poisonous gas” is from the roach coach down the street - lol
In L.A. the latinos routinely shout “death to America” at the soccer matches.
Nancy Pratt was very eloquent.
It is not surprising the teacher has that opinion. I just read an article the NEA(which cares zero about teaching kids) just passed a resolution that calls for the legalization of illegals and objects to the term “illegal alien”.
But, they don’t mind tossing around names like Nazis.
Can anyone tell me what the ratio has been between the anti-resolution and pro-resolution speakers.
Who has had more speakers??
Sounds like it’s about 50/50.
John Stienbach —————- Mr. Marxist, guilty feeling liberal himself.
Ah, now a speaker is saying the migrant workers were the ones who built this country over the last hundred years. Only they did the “dirty” jobs.
I wonder what my coal mining father in law would’ve said about that.
Voting for the resolution is now “un-Godlike” and anyone who votes for it should be ashamed.
The pro-illegal side showed up in force.
How many of the opponents who have spoken don’t even live in PWC?
Great, now there’s a Cesar Chavez labor organizer speaking.
Ok, no more speakers. Can we move to a vote?
Those politicians BETTER remember…illegals DON’T vote!!! The very fact that we give these people a microphone just goes to prove what a great country America is.
Migrant workers made American, eh? Tell that to the small business owner, to the successful real estate agent, and yes, to Bill Gates who, like him or not, definitely changed the world.
If you take migrant workers out of the equation, those jobs can EASILY be filled by teenagers. All it would take for a teen to do the job is for the parent to give the “push” to the kid who won’t do it. Heck, though I am not a fan of his, EVEN Cesar Chavez was against illegal immigration.
“Riley, Not O’Reilly said on 10 Jul 2007 at 4:32 pm:
How many of the opponents who have spoken don’t even live in PWC?”
Gee, sounds like something else that JUST HAPPENED in PWC!!!
Now Chief Deane, and his cronies will try to tell us that the resolution is not needed, because they are already doing their jobs.
Go Corey Go!
Oh, no, Charlie Deane sees this resolution as making the police actually do their job for a change!
Deane is now talking about perceptions of racism and targeting the Hispanic population. He’s bought the apologists’ argument, hook, line and sinker. He’s whining that we’re all going to turn into Dirty Harry-type vigilantes.
We’re the second largest county in VA and the seventh wealthiest in the U.S. and THIS guy is our Chief? He needs to go. We deserve a real police chief.
This goofball has now compared this resolution as turning into a blunder “like going into Iraq.”
Goober needs to take a hike!
I gaurantee that if this passes our illegal alien problem will quickly melt away as the population flees to Fairfax, Arlington, MD, etc. It’s all about perception.
I thought it was improper to label only hispanics as being the only illegals. Yet, it appears that the ones that spoke out against this resolution seemed to be only concerned about hispanic illegals. Can one of the pro amnesty pro open border types tell me why?
My money is on Arlington (Fairlington), Alexandria, and PG County.
Is this guy REALLY the chief of police? He sounds like a total moron who can’t even read his own script. Umm err, Umm we don’t umm want to be umm seen as ermmm racists ummm….
Instead of worrying about what the illegal community will do, he better start worrying about what WE the citizens will do. These people are absolutely not worried about citizen revolt over this issue. They only seem to care about what the illegal reaction will be to it. It is HIGH time that type of thinking is changed.
How about someone buy a house in the police chief’s neighborhood and have 20 South of the Border types move into it - lol. I bet he will be singing a different tune then!!!
If the ACLU doesn’t need a resolution to sue us, then we don’t need one to sue our officials for disregarding the law and creating a sanctuary of lawlessness here with all its consequences. Vote FOR the Resolution!
The jail chief is 100x more literate and well spoken than Dean. Dean is a joke for someone with a position at that level. I want to hear what the park chief has to say for his incompetence.
Maybe HSM can pool our money and get a foreclosed house near the chief and rent it out. Probably we’d qualify for some federal assistance for our effort.
Let’s get one next door to Jenkins and Barg, too.
“Federal Assistance” may very likely be coming to a screeching halt….
While the dog and pony show is going on for you county folks (been there done that here in Manassas City — remember the “family” ordinance??), news on the financials is the mortgage securities are blowing up as we speak.
From http://novabubblefallout.blogspot.com/index.html
“You’ll see massive losses from banks, insurance companies and pension managers,” said Joshua Rosner, a managing director at investment research firm Graham Fisher & Co. in New York and co-author of a study last month that said S&P, Moody’s and Fitch understate the risks of subprime mortgage bonds. “The longer they wait, the worse it’s going to be.”
Today it’s coming true . . .
Standard & Poor’s said it expects the majority of the 612 classes of mortgage-backed securities it put under review Tuesday to be downgraded “beginning in the next few days.”
“mortgage bonds under review for a downgrade by S&P total approximately $12 billion in rated securities” — that’s billion with a B and likely just the tip of the ice-berg….
Well since Deane is so concerned with perceptions, it seems he should resign since the perception is he is soft on criminals, but only those of a certain ethnicity.
STOP THE PRESSES!
NOVA Townhall.com reporting the resolution passed 9 - 0??!!
http://www.novatownhall.com/blog/
It would be 8-0.
I stand corrected, but who woulda thunk it?
Anyone have a link the the resolution that passed? I understand it is significantly different than the one provided several days ago.
The NOVA Townhall has a link that summarizes some of the changes.
“”"Batson D. Belfrey said on 10 Jul 2007 at 4:40 pm:
Go Corey Go!”"”"
We differ on this. Stewart spoke at Gill’s campaign kickoff last March 31. Stewart, Kopko and Gill converse regularly on the phone. Stewart denies that Gill acted wrongly in working as the chief lobbyist for the imprisoned Abdurahman Alamoudi’s American Muslim Council.
As I often point out, Gill and Gallinger’s website advertises to those awaiting deportation that it will file belated asylum requests based upon UN, not US, law.
Gill’s URL is http://gillgallinger.com/practice_immigration.asp . Read the sections at the bottom of the page on asylum and deportation.
Legitimate asylum-seekers request asylum when entering the United States. Gill and Gallinger’s illegal immigrant clients hide inside the United States, and the request asylum when they are about to be deported, as a way of evading deportation.
I am sorry, but Stewart endorsed the illegal immigration law firm partner Faisal Gill, and opposed the school board member Julie Lucas.
Lucas does not make money trying to keep illegals in the United States. Gill and Gallinger does.
Why did Stewart make that choice? It is not a choice which a true opponent of illegal immigration would have made. It is not a choice that Greg L. made, for instance.
Stewart is fooling the public on illegal immigration.
Now it is time to get rid of Dean. Manassas Park look out, because you are next on the HSM hit list. This will galvanize a lot of folks in this area. I still think it will be mostly symbolic, but at least the tide is turning and the politicians are aware that we the people won’t stand for status quo any longer. The Manassas Park council and police better start preparing because they are next.
Noticed that the ACLU in Richmond has faxed the BOCS that they are inviting a lawsuit
http://www.aclu.org/immigrants/discrim/30442prs20070709.html
the only other element missing from the usual suspects is Rabbi Bruce Kahn and his outfit….
Prince William County Officials Approve Immigration Bill
http://www.nbc4.com/politics/13656072/detail.html
Time to get our own legal representation ala aclu and prepare. According to worldnetdaily of 4/5/07, the Boy Scouts of America defeated the aclu. So it can be done and the time is ripe.
the A C L J was instrumental in that reversal - maybe we can contact them.
God I hate the aclu. No words can describe how I hate that organization. They are single handedly destroying this country. In fact I once was on a blind date with a girl a few years back and when I asked her what she did for a living she told me she worked for the aclu. Immediately I stood up, said, “thanks” and told her I could never be with anyone that worked for the aclu —- true story. She was cute too, but my convictions run strong
Actually I’m thinking this is a rather BRILLIANT strategy on the part of PWCo — congratulations!!
You’ve effectively given “notice” to the illegal community to deport themselves, and there is nothing to be done about it because the details are “in the works” — kind of hard to issue a “cease and desist” on something that hasn’t been detailed, yet has ALL the force of the will of the local governing body.
Manassas CITY — TAKE NOTE!!!
We now need to do something like we did with Congress and get our State legislators to pass bills allowing us to get rid of the illegals. I also have an idea, why don’t we send the illegals to Iraq, if they serve honorably they can get citizenship. In the meantime, lets bring home the National Guard and put them on the border. Two problems solved.
Funny you should mention that Nancy. I suggested the same thing today to a coworker. In my opinion, A three year stint in the military would prove their commitment to this country and repent for the fact that they broke our laws. I am all for granting instant citizenship to anyone that serves in our military honorably. The problem with that is that they could never make it through basic if they don’t speak English.
Hey English lessons can be provided, no problem. It could be a package deal
Is it just me, or does anyone else think that there is something odd about the so-called passage of the resolution. I watched the whole thing on TV and came away with the sneaking suspicion that we had just been hoodwinked. Oh yes it did pass 9-0 and everyone declared victory and claimed we have the toughest anti-illegal alien approach in the Nation.
But if you watched the discussion of what would be exactly passed after the revisions, it seemed to me to be just idle rhetoric. After all any real action was pushed off for 90 days so that staff could gather more “facts”, hold some more public hearings and then come back to put some kind of details in place. That would put the decision making into sometime in October. Other than remind County employees to comply with existing laws and regulations, what else was there? I just have to wonder when at the end everyone was deferring to Chief Deane and thanking each other, what really had happened… Please say it ain’t so.
If they were required to serve in Iraq, they would be leaving for Mexico by the break of dawn.
CW –
I don’t think so….IMHO, as stated earlier, the 60 or 90 day delay on details would appear to be a rather ingenious strategy for the county!!!!
What you’ve got immediately is the revision of the General Order by Chief Deane, so it would seem that PWCo Police should be able to begin inquiring on legal status (with probable cause) for any stops….and that word WILL get out!
Talk about an effective deterrent!
Thanks DLC, I was feeling kind of low. Anyway I think that you are probably right about the “word getting out” Adios Prince William County, Ola Montgomery County!
I hope what has happened in PWC will send a huge message to those in the City of Manassas and Manassas Park, officials and illegals alike. Whenever we put boxes and stuff out for trash pick up, boxes, etc., they always go thru first to see what they can take. How about we all put out suitcases and other luggage items to help them pack up and leave!!!!!
vote on the resolution @ www.wusa9.com
Within 90 days, county exec Mr. Gerhardt will have provided the BOCS with a list of all the “services” the county provides, and which services the county has the authority to deny to illegal aliens. Some services, such as emergency medical services the county does not have the legal authority to deny.
During today’s BOCS meeting, Mr. Gerhardt had a power point listing of which agencies and/or services are already instructed to deny services to illegal aliens. For example, food stamps appeared on the list of denied services. Bear in mind if the illegal immigrant has 2 anchor babies, the children qualify for food stamps, education, Medicaid, etc.
Virginia is a Dillon Rule “state” which limits what local government can and cannot do without approval from Richmond. The next step is for our PWC delegates to introduce legislation seeking approval from General Assembly that would empower local authority to deny all county services to immigrants who are unable to prove legal status.
after you cast your vote, post commentary here:
http://www.news8.net/news/stories/0707/437087.html
The following entry details an incident that occurred 2-3 yrs. ago between Andrew Cornell and a group of illegal immigrants.
He was a patrol officer who was jumped by a group of illegal aliens a few years ago at a party in Dale City. He was required to use deadly force after he was attacked by a group of hispanics. I spoke to him about the incident and he stated that he was knocked to the ground and the group attempted to kill him with his own weapon. The back-up officer witnessed the struggle and retreated to his police car waiting for additional help. While locked inside his car he watched as Officer Cornell struggled for his life. The shooting could have been avoided if the second officer on the scene had assisted during the struggle. After the shooting, Charlie Deane put him on administrative leave as required to investigate an incident of deadly force.
During the investigation Cornell insisted that the back-up officer be charged with “corwardice on duty.” Chief Deane directed the internal probe extending the investigation after disapproval from local hispanics began to make headlines. He advised Cornell to deal with it because he had damaged relations with the hispanic community, and he wanted a “cool off” period. Officer Cornell wanted to be reinstated since the investigation had not yet produced charges against him. Charlie Deane responded by asking for his resignation because the “backlash” from the hispanic community was becoming too great. He advised Cornell that he would be forced to terminate him after suspending him, and finding fault for his actions during the shooting.
Officer Cornell found himself in what he described as a “no win position” and resigned. He then attempted to obtain a law enforcement job in a neighboring jurisdiction. His application was denied after he was labeled as “hardheaded and disrespectful.” by the Chief’s Office. His last known whereabouts involve him serving in the military. He was attempting to obtain a commission and fight overseas. I guess not the type of individual Charlie Deane wants in PWC. Andrew Cornell was a law and order guy. Aggressive, smart, somewhat fearless, arresting street criminals frequently. A guy any police chief would want. But not part of what Charlie Deane endorses or promotes in his department.
When this story was told to me, the coward that was too scared to do his job was not charged in this incident and is still employed protecting us. The individuals identified as being involved in the attack were found to be illegal, and were not deported or even reported to immigration officials.
Charlie Deane served as head of the Virginia Association of Chiefs of Police (V.A.C.P.) which gives him alot of influence among his peers. After Officer Cornell left the department, Deane attempted to pass a resolution in Virginia that would prohibit the hiring of any police officer who had been fired from another jurisdiction within the state.
This man will not encourage his department to aggressively enforce immigration measures in PWC. His excuse for having enforcement issues after the BOCS vote on this measure included his department already being understaffed. This after a past history of being forced by the BOCS to fill vacated and approved positions. It’s status quo as long as he is police chief. He has been with this department for 37 yrs. It makes you wonder why he just doesn’t retire. Because police work and leadership were never part of his image. He has been lost at the wheel for some time. But he still believes it is more important not to be perceived as “racist” instead of enforcing the law. As I mentioned before…….policy through perception.
“He was a patrol officer who was jumped by a group of illegal aliens a few years ago at a party in Dale City.”
I believe I remember reading about this. He was investigating a noise complaint and they started throwing rocks at him?
What, if anything, were the illegals involved charged with? What, if anything, was their sentence?
We need to watch the 287g MOU between the County police department and ICE. It is my immpression that Chief Deane will try to keep it so that they will only report those that commit violent crimes and felonies. DUI’s are not a felony so therefore not a deportable offence.
Let’s keep our eye’s and ear’s open!
Anonymous,
Nothing, they were charged with nothing. It was an out of control party where there were so many illegals that they were bursting out of the house.
I too remember that case. It flies in the face of those that defend illegals and open borders. How can these hard working, God fearing people who are only doing jobs Americans do not want to do attack a Police officer? Of course people like Nova Scout and others just want to make them legal and all of our problems will go away.
It is a real shame the officer after facing something like that gets no support from his department. Deane is just as bad as Skinner is.
Let me go on record as being AGAINST sending them to Iraq in the military. Plain and simple, the military should NEVER be used as a test case (be it trying to put women in combat arms or illegals to “test” their loyalty). Our military is made up of the finest Americans you can find. These people did EVERYTHING right and are serving honorably overseas.
Now, I have no problem whatsoever with making deals with their home countries that when we deport them they serve in THEIR OWN Army!!!
Think about it like this, would YOU want YOUR son to have to trust his right flank to an illegal alien with an M-16A2??? Would you want YOUR daughter to be on a tight ship with an illegal???
Not ALL illegals are bad people. They broke the law to make a better life for their families which I can totally understand, even though I don’t condone their methods and certainly can’t accept what their sheer numbers have done to our communities. I see no reason why they couldn’t honorably serve in the armed forces if the proper checks were put in place. Boot camp would whip them into shape or get rid of them pretty quickly anyway. I would accept this over a draft or the continual stretching of our national guard to the breaking point. Granted that not all illegals that sign up for service would make it through, but the drill sergeants would be able to weed out the bad apples pretty swiftly and then we send the flunkees back to wherever they came from.
And to answer your question; yes I would trust my son or daughter to be next to one of these recruits because A) I trust the armed forces to be able to train these people and weed out most of the bad apples and B) any illegal willing to risk his life in service of this country is there because they are passionate about being an American citizen and not just to milk our system dry.
Not all illegals are bad people….they’re just illegal. That pretty much spells it out. Without real border security any measure to combat illegal immigration is just political rhetoric.
Saying someone is bad because they are an illegal would be racist. hummmm. Sure they are all lazy thieves who rape and plunder at every chance. Hard to see why people see this as a racist move. Lets see a person is willing to risk everything to try and improve his faimly’s way of life. Your right that’s the last kind of guy I want fighting beside me.
Give me a back Anon. Is a bank robber bad? It is called respect, and when they come here illegally they are not entitled to it. What other laws would they want us to not enforce? I am sure there are lots of people in the World who want to come to America, but for many that is an impossible dream. Yet, because we are in close proximity to many third World Nations some of the population of these Countries think it is OK to just cut in line and then once in the Country demand special treatment.
Yup, that is exactly the type of person I want fighting for the Nation.
They drive with out lisences, because THEY need to get places. They steal SSN’S because THEY need to work to support their families, even though they’re in Mexico. They use the emergency room because THEY can not afford to go to a doctor.
It’s all about them.