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By Greg L | 11 July 2007 | Prince William County | 53 Comments
For those interested, I’ll be a guest on the Chris Core show about 9:25 this morning, talking about the efforts of Help Save Manassas to support Supervisor Stirrup’s resolution on illegal aliens.
UPDATE: My segment is going to start at 9:38 now.
UPDATE 2: The segment aired a little later, and there seemed to be some confusion between the producer and Chris Core about whether I was a caller to the program. Oh well, it was a busy morning for them after all.
There was a lot of discussion this morning about the probable cause standard that was introduced in this resolution. In the original version of the resolution the language stated that all persons would be asked about their immigration status in order to avoid criticism of racial profiling, along the same lines used by TSA to screen in airports which sadly results in 92 year old grandmothers are searched in order to find potential terrorists. After some discussions, the consensus was that the probable cause standard, which is preferable for a number of reasons doesn’t necessarily open the county up to legal challenges to the degree we initially thought. Even if there are legal challenges, and for some reason the illegal alien lobby manages to get the standard changed to one that requires everyone to be asked about their legal status, the political damage to their cause which would inevitably result would be tremendous.
Because of some faulty news coverage on this resolution, the debate has sometimes focused on how citizens are supposed to prove their legal status. The actual language in the resolution (from the very beginning) is such that only persons who say that they are not citizens when asked would have their legal status checked, so unless a citizen lies about his or her legal status and says they’re an illegal alien, they wouldn’t have to prove a thing. Of course the details of the resolution’s implementation remain to be worked out between the Board of County Supervisors and the Police Department, nothing in the resolution is directing the police department to start demanding papers from anyone. This is a canard of the illegal alien lobby, and I’m disappointed the mainstream media hasn’t apparently bothered to read what was passed and figure out how badly they’re misinforming the public.
It’s still a great day in Prince William County, however. Illegal aliens have one more reason to return to their homelands, and perhaps some of them will soon do so.
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Greg, problem is, PWC is JUST one county. Now I DO believe in the power of 1 and hope that PWC stands strong and the police do THEIR job vice worried about “perceptions” from those who flagerently violate our laws and those who support them doing so (to include those churches giving “sancturary”).
It is time to start putting some SERIOUS pressure on our delegates to get laws past state-wide then get the word out on “friendly” media. Once the momentum picks up, which it appears right now it is (strike while the iron is hot), the movement will go nation-wide and our national leaders won’t be able to do turn on the news or read the papers without seeing the will of the people being done.
I was on the lightning round. “I’ts a beautiful day in PWC. It’s about time PWC leads the: and may the State and Federal Governements follow suit. Thank you to the Board of Supervisors for a unanimous yes vote!!”
JL
I’ve got my husband drafting letters now for our delegates. I will be calling and visiting their offices. We all must do this
We the legal citizens, have won in PWC. Now we must win in the Commonwealth.
Anon 10:50 am, was Lafayette, I don’t wish to be anonymous.
GregL
I heard you earlier, thanks for helping set people straight, on how things will go in PWC. People, need understand, this is a what I feel, is still a “work in progress.” We will be an excellent example, for other localities to follow. Let’s go!!!!
“…only persons who say that they are not citizens when asked would have their legal status checked…”
So if an illegal alien states that they are a citizen, nothing gets checked? Am I reading that right?
No, Lafayette, “Let’s Roll!!”
I JUST HAVE THE BIGGEST SMILE ON MY FACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Faith has been restored, hope renewed in “We the people”.
OPDitch
You are exactly right. Please, forgive my mistake. I’m just not fond of quoting “G-Dub”.
People, wake up and do not get complacent! It was good we brought pressure, but WE DID NOT WIN ANYTHING YET! Don’t you understand what’s going on? Under the revised resolution we cannot sue to force enforcement and, according to Greg, unless someone admits that they are not a citizen our county staff will not ask them to prove they are here legally. THE ILLEGALS HAVE ALREADY BROKEN THE LAW BY COMING HERE, DO YOU REALLY THINK THEY ARE GOING TO ADMIT THEY ARE NOT CITIZENS?!!! Once this gets out the liberal/marxist/zapatistas are just going to tell them to lie about their citizenship to avoid having to produce documentation. THIS IS CRAZY! We are being played. The supervisors pushed this off until after November so they don’t have to do anything. What are we celebrating? WE NEED TO WAKE UP!
Lafayette - Actually, you WON’T be quoting GDub as “Let’s Roll” came from Todd Beamer, victim on Flight 93.
I say we all pool money together and get a radio station and have its call letters be WBBL (since it can only be 4 letters) for Washington Black (velvet) Bruce Li and have Greg either be THE main talk show host or the station owner!!!
As long as he doesn’t put on Pat Buchannon (sorry, he lost my respect a few years back) - lol
The 90 days until a work session thing is a disaster! 30 days is more than enough time to have a work session, then have a public hearing and then pass a change to the county code. Am I the only one that sees what’s going on here? Action is being pushed off until after the November election when we will not have any influence. Greg, HSM needs to organize to get the work session date moved up. If we cannot get that then we need to start organizing groups of HSM volunteers to regularly patrol neighborhoods to report trash, zoning violations, overcrowding, etc. That’s the only way to scare the illegal immigrants out of the county. I guarantee that if we let this sit until after the November elections there will only be token follow up by the Board.
It is nice to get the attention of elected officials but as A.P. said, now is not the time to let up. many a mealy mouthed politician have done this sort of thing only to back off once the spot light has been removed.
The key is to keep the pressure on and keep the issue in the forefront of every local/State/National elected official. I have no doubt some on the board are hoping this issue goes away so they will not have to deal with it any longer.
Another Patriot :
I see your point, I have to say I am happy and celebrating the fact that the HEAT is on, we are headed in the right direction.
The reason for the 90 days is that (1) the entire board is off for the month of August (2) it was originally 60 days, Marty Nohe asked to make it 90 days because of the August thing, as he stated, and as he did not state (but pretty understandable) he and Kris just had a baby and it’s a very busy time for a new father. I do not have a problem with 90 days. Gives us plenty of time to continue organizing, researching, educating others and ourselves, and turning up the heat.
On another note, a couple of weeks ago I got United 93 from netflix. Hadn’t had a chance to see it in the theaters - I recommend renting this film if you’ve never seen it. It is very very powerful. Especially since it’s been six years since 9/11 and time does tend to heal wounds. We need to remember how we all felt when we were attacked.
Let’s ROLL!
I wonder if Tom Kopko is using the same timeline???
JL
Thank you for the correction. That makes me feel a whole lot better, which I didn’t think could be possible today!
I think you’ve been around here awhile, how about, the old WPRW station? I know it was an AM station, would FM, be possible. It still looks in fairly good condition. Too, bad the Manassas Bakery, isn’t still around. Remember, they used to give away a birthday cake everyday on WPRW!
Lafayette,
Hah! hah! I got on that radio station and sang a song with 3 other friends and thought we were BIG time! I loved that radio station growing up, I used to think it was so cool to SEE the radio station ( throught the eyes of a child…lol ) on the way to old Hirsh Farm for a day of fun….wish we had something like that around her for our kids .
Wow, thanks for the memory.
Another Patriot,
I’ve been calling in violations to Code Enforcement, hot and heavy over the past year. I will continue to do so, and encourage all to call. You can tell them at the Intake Office703-792-7018, that you wish to stay anonymous. The county will follow up on status via mail and or phone call. I always, go out and talk to our inspector. One day alone, about two weeks ago, he had 18 houses to visit in one day, right here in Westgate and Sudley.
Bi said on 11 Jul 2007 at 2:50
ERROR! AND I AM NOT BI, LOL…type o when I were BIG time”, when I typed”….to the above
Bi or is that you redawn???
Thank you too. I loved Hirsh Farm, my older sister always took me there when were growing up. We’d always bring eggs back home.
correct spelling- Hersch, shame on me and you too redawn for not catching that.
LOL! it was me redawn and i am not bi, bipartisan or any of the sort…..lol..
Yeah, it was great to Granny and swing from the rope swings, ride horses, etc…..
to see* Granny
I don’t know what everyone is so worried about…the media is still touting it as the strongest action taken by a local government in the country. You only JUST finished thanking your Supervisors yesterday…and today they screwed up? I don’t think so.
This problem did not evolve overnight and it is going to take quite some time to resolve, if it can be resolved. Our BOS gave us a jump start and a reasonable timeline during an election season, when some of them are in the midst of campaigning. Consider yourself fortunate…I doubt other County Supervisors would have been so dedicated to their constituents (or had their constituents hold their feet to the fire so effectively) that they would put their needs ahead of their own. This is really no delaying tactic…it is a necessary period of time required to get things done right.
AWC
I’m still making my thank you calls to the PWCBOS.
I still can’t take this huge smile off my face.
I sure don’t think the Board of Supervisors in neighboring counties, would do for their citizens, what PWCBOS has done for us the legal citizens of PWC.
Heck, I’ll say it again. Thank you to the entire Board of Supervisors!!
Lafayette: There you go!!! Yes, definitely bringing back memories. I have lived in Virginia (I hate saying “Northern”, lol) for over 40 years now, heck, even served on Active Duty here (The Old Guard)!!!
What we could do is start the radio show each speaking a foreign language and then conclude with, “If you did not understand what we said, then hold on, THAT is EXACTLY what will happen if we don’t put a reign on illegal immigration and don’t insist on English first!!!”
I’d like to add the following.
This was a victory yesterday, and it only motivates to do more. I hope it has and will do the same for others. We’ve now got to get working on those in Richmond.
JL
Right on, as PW native, I’m a Virginian!
Thank you, for your service to The Old Guard.
We all gave them something to talk about ( I enjoyed some of mytime today reading the online comments of readers of our news sources,inspiring! Other counties / cities, MD are paying attention and demanding this needs to be done in their community! The Heat is ON!
Ironically, or not, WPRW 1460 AM is still on the air as WKDV and is a Spanish language station.
Anon 3:43: SICKENING IS MORE LIKE IT!!!!
If we call them up, do or can we have to Push 2 for English?
JL: Do you live at the “other end of the county”?(I think that one is still being used in PWC. I live at the “western end”.
Actually, I now live in Springfield, not too far from where I grew up, with my 3 boys. And you are welcome. That duty was VERY stressful but I would do it again in a heart-beat.
Forgot to put, back when I was married, my then wife and I lived first in Lake Ridge, then moved to Dale City when the apartment we were living in grew too small for us. Left PWC in 2003.
JL
Well, you haven’t been gone that long. I hope FCBOS, follows suit. Prince William County was and still is a great place!!
There are some on here(bvbl), that don’t like to admit they’re from Fairfax or Loudoun, nor do they like being asked. I don’t know why. Hmmm…Interested Party(Ms. or Mr “stones throw away”), comes to mind right away!!
Lafayette…I hear ya. Well, I am proud of Fairfax even though it KILLED me when she voted against Ollie. I was at Ft. Benning going thru the Infantry Officer’s Basic Course at the time but following the race on CNN.
Neat thing, though, is that my boys are now attending the same schools I went to (Washington Irving Intermediate and West Springfield High School). WSHS has some pretty good alumni, if I do say so myself
Would any of you join me in an effort to bring 99.1 HFS back from the evil clutches of El Zol? Do any of you remember or care about that dark, dark day?
I’m sorry Greg that I didn’t get to hear you this a.m. I had to go somewhere. I’m sure you did a fine job.
Attention Lafayette: I have some inside information that a certain person on Lafayette (who just painted their brick house white) is planning on adding another level to his house. I’m not sure how reliable this inside info is but I figure you better keep your eyes wide open. Let me know if you get this message
Patty
Say it isn’t so! They’ve had a 20 workers there each to get the house painted. That’s real nice, we have now have two painted brick houses on Lafayette. Well, I’ll be calling PWC, in the morning, to find out if they have gotten permits. I want this expansion creep on to this block. I’ll being passing this warning on to our favorite Property Code Enforcement Inspector. He’s been real busy around here. Just about a two weeks ago, he had 18 houses to check out here, in Westgate and Sudley. They make me mad enough with their 15 work vans, with their painting business on the side of them. We can NOT have another, 10131 Lomond Drive drive on my block. Somehow, I bet your source is right, they usually are with their scoops.
Thanks for the 411!!!!!!!
Any idea when this third level is to be erected????????
corr: I DONT want this expansion to creep…..
Lafayette,
Thanks for stopping by. I’ll let you know as soon as I find out more but that is really all I know for now. Its amazing what this person wants to talk about.
I’m working on calling property code on a couple of properties that are looking run down and possibly overcrowded. I’ll let you know how that goes.
Let’s hope there are no more 10131 Lomond Drives in the works.
Lafayette -
Do you have the name of the painting company? Do you know you can call ICE yourself and report illegal aliens? I don’t know if they will come out, but I suspect if they get enough complaints they will.
The Swift meat pacvking plant was raided again and 19 people were arrested.
http://www.wctrib.com/ap/index.cfm?page=view&id=D8QAMCM80&forumcomm_check_return
Maybe it’s time to shut them down or fine them outrageously. Isn’t this the third raid that ICE has found illegal’s working there? A statement needs to be made here. The practice of hiring illegal’s will not be tolerated anymore.
Maybe we need to call our Congressmen and Senators about this. Let them know they absolutely have got to do something here.
Sorry, this was ONLY the second raid.
Waiting 90 days is ridiculous. Most of the information was already presented in the power point yesterday. Members of the BOCS could have read it during the break in August and been ready to vote in September.
I know Marty has a lot on his plate with a new baby and NVTA, but the rest of the BOCS could have done the bulk of the work. It’s a shame to have let this sit for 90 days. It’s more time for people to sit and stew over it. When some of what they’re getting worked up about it’s going to be an issue.l
Another reason to have acted sooner is to identify problematic aspects of enforcement due to restrictions or limitations resulting from the Dillon Rule. JS needs time to team up with the County Lobbyist DF, and our Delegates to hammer them in Richmond for supportive legislation. While we’re at it, perhaps it’s time to reform the Dillon Rule. I’d be curious to know what BM, JM, JF think about that.
We need to get this done down state ASAP, so we can advance this with our Congressman for the 2008 election cycle.
The presentation by Gerhardt is based on a cursory survey of what department officials told him, and doesn’t fully reflect what agencies are actually doing. It may take some time to determine exactly what’s happening, and with the August break it’s really not an unrealistic time period to set all of this up.
It’s probably going to take some time to vet the legal report by Ross Horton, the county attorney, with other legal organizations so we can ensure that the supervisors get a good picture of what the legal landscape looks like in the implementation details. It’s not always possible to get our folks from the Immigration Reform Law Institute and Judicial Watch to rapidly turn around a legal brief, and having the time to get this right is pretty responsible.
It’s longer than what we would hope for, but it’s a fairly realistic maximum limit. Could it be done in a shorter time frame? Yes, probably. It’s still going to get done however, and it will get done pretty soon. We may have to wait a month or two more than we might like, but as Mike Heathmon of the Immigration Reform Law Institute advises, “legislate in haste, litigate at leisure”. Taking time to get this right is pretty responsible, and will yield some really important benefits.
Maureen Wood
Oh yeah, I have the name of the painting company and pictures of the dozen or so vans. They’ve not filed a ficticious name w/PWC Circuit Court, 2 phone lines for the house(different names and not the cell#on the side of the vans),boat on trailer on street w/Caroline County sticker. The boat trailer is allowed on the street. Yeah, I know I can call ICE. Call me, we can chat about that.
Oh. My. God. I’ve only gotten halfway through this thread this time –
Could you all PLEASE edit and proofread your posts?
Please?
Punctuation, grammar, and spelling are your friends.
Some of these posts are darn near unintelligible and it leaves a reader with the impression that we are ignorant.
I’ve virtually given up reading some of these threads because I can hardly get through them.
We are intelligent, passionate people. Let’s start looking like it.
I am sorry if this comes off as insulting, but I am frustruated and after months of struggling through these threads, I’ve just about given up.
Patty,
Update: They have gotten Zoning Approval only, for a single detached addition. No Building Permit which is needed to construct this addition. I know alot of folks are now watching this freshly painted brick house.
Lafayette,
A single detached addition? Could it be a tool shed or could it be another “house”? I’m watching it too. I’ll let you know if my insider gives any more info.
Patty,
It might be a garage. They could park some of those vans in it.
Lafayette,
Maybe he wants a place for his boat.
I checked them out earlier. How long has that 3/4 car garage been out back? I think this is what they got zoning approval for. The only reason they went to zoning is because Sr. Chavez is following up on the “clean sweep” violations that started in mid March.