Stewart: Illegals Supporters “Blowing Smoke”
By Greg L | 13 July 2007 | Prince William County | 35 Comments
The nutbags over at the Puerto Rican Legal Defense and Education Fund, fresh off their showing at the Board of County Supervisors where they referred to our county as “Princess William County” and demonstrated significant misunderstandings about the nature of Supervisor Stirrup’s resolution, is now threatening to file a lawsuit against the county. Corey Stewart’s response as reported in the Manassas Journal-Messenger is that they’re “blowing smoke”. He’s right.
What apparently escapes Cesar Perales is that in order to file a civil lawsuit, you have to have someone who has been harmed. This is just plan silly. The Prince William Board of County Supervisors passes a resolution that establishes several county policies, and PRLDEF thinks they have standing to sue to have it overturned? What, did someone trip over the stack of printed copies of the resolution and dislocate their common sense here?
The illegal alien supporters are getting increasingly desperate here. They can’t argue the law. They can’t argue policy. Their position doesn’t prevail in the political discussion. They then resort to name calling and empty litigation threats. It’s pathetic.
Normally when public officials respond to questions about potential litigation, you hear a lot of politically correct talk about meritless suits, baseless allegations, and that they have confidence in their legal position. Not this time. This threat is so inane, the response from the Chairman, an attorney himself, is “let ‘em sue us” and that “the organization is blowing smoke”. It’s about as close to “bite me” as a public official will ever get.
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The resolution as passed jettisoned most of the features that would have made it litigation bait and mostly enshrined practices that were already in place (like status checks for persons at the jail or convicted of crimes). However tempting the original version might have been for crusading plaintiffs’ lawyers, the diluted version is more easily defensible. whoever did the work of stripping out a lot of the nonsense gets full credit for looking out for the taxpayors’ right to be free of oppressive legal fees. Of course, a lot of the implementing provisions still have to be filled in, and these could change the situation. But as it ended up, this has to be regarded more as a symbolic protest agains federal inaction and malfeasance. That’s pretty hard to take to court.
Why does the Puerto Rican Legal Defense and Education Fund care? Or did they miss the memo that Puerto Rico, along with Guam and American Samoa, are U.S. Territories, with full citizenship. They don’t have voting representation in Congress, that’s it. If someone asks, they can say, yes, we are U.S. Citizens. It’s not like people can be deported to Puerto Rico!!! That would be akin to deporting people to Georgia.
I spoke at length with Cesar Perales at the meeting on Tuesday. Foe someone who flies around the country for these things he wasn’t very knowledgable about this resolution. He told me that if they were illegal he had no problem with them going back to their country of origin. He talked about denying education and emergency care, etc. I had to explain to this man what this resolution did and did not do. If he is a lawyer, he’s the one the county should hope argues the case, if they sue.
Cesar Perales was clearly not listening to the meeting on Tuesday, nor is he familiar with federal law or the Dillon Rule. Based on his overly dramatic attempt to offer leadership to the Hispanic community, he seemed more like an opportunist. I don’t know how or if he personally benefits from this type of insightful radicalism but it was actually sad to see women trembling in tears with fear. Fear of what? Being denied emergency medical services and education of which are both federally mandated.
He clearly didn’t do his homework, was unfamiliar with laws and I wonder if he even read the Resolution. Isn’t he the man who referred to the county as Princess County?
If I had it my way the women WOULD be denied medical care and education. They can get their lazy a$$es to work and pay for it themselves, stop having babies they can’t afford or go back to their home country; and this goes for women AND men from ANY country in the world who are here illegally. Why should I have to pay for any of these bums when they don’t contribute anything back to society? All these people do is take, take, take and then when we say no more, they have the audacity to actually throw a fit over it. There is no gray area here. There is only right and wrong. Round ‘em up, send ‘em back.
Park’d is right. If liberals want to put there money where their mouth is they should be funding birth control and abortions for these freeloaders. Since the government won’t let us round them up and send them back we need to scare them out. Nonviolently, of course. We should adopt the civil disobedience tactics of the civil rights movement. Even the Ku Klux Klan is allowed to march down streets. Greg, Help Save Manassas should organize marches down streets we know have a lot of illegals with signs saying “illegals go home”, “learn English or get out” and stuff like that. It’s perfectly legal, nonviolent, and will start to make illegals in those areas consider leaving. We really should do this. It will be much more effective immediately than waiting for something to be done with the resolution.
Fed Up
These so called Leaders that come here from Wash. D.C.,Arlington, Falls Church or the surrounding area are doing nothing to help their people.
In fact they are the ones taking advantage and telling them this resolution and many other things are agaist them.
Instead of being a help, they are the problem.
Tell them to use their energy educating them to our way of life.But thats too easy,they will not do that.
There is a long list of multi culture teachers in our County and I hope they are not doing as Bell, Lytel and Gonzales are doing.?Once retired they have taken up the cause of Illegals.
One Candidate from Woodbridge has even held signs and proptested with the hangouts that plague the 7-11 on Jeff Davis Highway.And he hopes to be a Supervisor.?His wife is already a School Board member.
Is this what America is all about? We believe in Legal Immigration and that is obeying the Laws from the beginning.
If we want to get this done we need to get tough and take some real grassroots action. Greg, we have some natural allies on this. I’m sure the open carry gun people are with us. HSM should stage a march down one of the particularly bad Manassas streets with anti-illegal signs, escorted by the open carry folks. It’s all perfectly legal and American and will light a fire under the illegals if not the BOCS. It will also be a major media event for us. Maybe you can get Tancredo and Jackson Miller to join us.
Lafayette, can you suggest some streets that have lots of illegals where it would be good to stage a march?
I agree with park’d. I can’t tell you how many pregnant Hispanics I see walking aroud with a bunch of kids in tow. I guess they don’t have to work since they live 3 or more families to a house. The illegals seem to view the US not as the “Land of Opportunity” but the “Land of Entitlement”. Many do not see what they are doing as wrong or illegal - thanks to the media, sypathetic lawyers, and the ACLU. I was outraged when I watched the news a few nights back. A representative from the HIspanic community commented that the citizens of the US we misinformed and that many illegals are paying taxes. He continued that they are filing taxes under STOLEN social security numbers!!! We all know this is going on but this guy was trying to make it look as if this practice was “right”. Not paying taxes is wrong, being illegal is wrong and stealing someones identity is WRONG!!!!
Anonymous your birth control and abortion idea would not work because many Hispanics are Catholic and these forms of family planning are against their belief system. Aliens like to pick and choose what church rules they follow. I have stated this before but illegals are breaking two of the Ten Commandments: Thou shalt not steal and Thous shalt not covet thy neighbors goods.
I was wondering ….maybe the Puerto Rican Legal Defense Fund should hire the $54M pants lawsuit guy to help them sue PW County. The merits of both those efforts are the same – ludicrous.
Anon 11:07
I’ve got a list of streets. However, I would never suggest them online, nor would I want to march down my surrounding streets. I have lived here my whole life on this very block.
I always use Lafayette(my street name), and never hide my identity. I’ve stated my name on other threads. I can be easily found.
Anon 11:07,
propped open storm doors would be a good indication.
I agree with Anonymous -
Let’s march! We could get hundreds of our citizens out there! There is no time like the present. All we have to do is pick a day, get a permit from City Hall, and march! Why wait? It’s about time we show we’re done with this nonsense!
Let’s do it!
mom against illegals,
I’m all for marching in front of City Hall!! I’m just not in favor of march through my neighborhood(as suggested by anon). I do have to keep living around here, and I have kids that attend public schools.
We could meet at the Pavillion and catch all of the traffic on route 28 - through Old Town and into Manassas Park and back again…..
I’ve got my marching boots on!
Anonymous has a GREAT idea….I’m READY to march with my Peacemaker strapped to my hip…just say when.
“Today, we need a nation of Minutemen, citizens who are not only prepared to take arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as the basic purpose of their daily life and who are willing to consciously work and sacrifice for that freedom”. John F. Kennedy
What would the backlash be with the progress we’re making? Perhaps the march is a good idea; perhaps a minuteman group should take on the task, however. just a thought.
After sleeping on it, it’s an intimidation tactic the other side uses. Please don’t go there.
Legal2,
We’ve done so much good in short time, it would be ashame to change our course of action now.
I hope others had the same good night’s sleep you did.
The MJM has run a few letters from people opposed to the resolution, and wow are some people out of touch with reality. The supporters of illegal immigration never seem to be worried about overcrowding, falling property values, increased crime, increased traffic etc that is caused by illegal immigration. All they can muster in defense of illegals is to play the race card.
If there are any supporters of illegals besides Nova Scout that either read or post here, can you please explain why you are not concerned with the problems of illegal immigration. Thanks.
Just when I thought there were too many lawyers, I am grateful for the ones we have on the BOCS who know how to deal with their kind, and aren’t intimidated by the same old, tired tactics of the pro-illegals. Maybe our country is maturing a little and we have seen the race card played one too many times. It isn’t going to work anymore. The article in the MJM today proves that they have nothing but an agenda. No substance, no leg to stand on. The Civil Rights Act (which they erroneously call the Legal Rights Act) has no bearing on those breaking the immigration laws. The law is applied equally to any illegal alien from anywhere. Who are the racists? Check out LaRaza (The Race). They want special privileges and the law subverted for their RACE. The legal citizens of the US have been affected by this agenda, are getting informed, are getting involved and we MUST continue the momentum.
COF, I believe NoVA Scout has made a reasonable argument for the other side of the issue. I don’t agree with him, but I’ve never seen him post racism as a causation on even one occasion.
Legal2, I did sleep on it and you’re right. We must keep our professionalism and not stoop to the opposition’s hysterical tacticts. We need to keep HSM membership rolling and certainly don’t want any fallout.
AW,
He has touched on “ethnic cleansing” a couple of times. He also fails to call out people on his side of the argument when they use the race card, yet does it for the other side.
CoM: I’m about the only person who comments here who thinks the Stirrup resolution was irresponsible demagoguery and I comment only for myself. My grounds were policy/fiscal/law and order and federalism. It was bad enough idea without having to go to whether there is a strong anti-hispanic animus afoot. What other people say on either side of the issue isn’t my responsibility. I have always acknowledged that there are legitimate concerns about the negative impacts of the absence of a clear federal policy.
We have a clear federal policy. The pro-illegals want to ignore it. So…let’s stop making excuses, enforce the laws we now have and work to undue the anchor baby policy. Have you seen Tancredo’s OVERDUE Immigration bill? That’s a good start.
correction, “undo”
NOVA,
Do you bother to read anything? On another thread, you bashed those that are against illegal immigration for using questionable language, yet you do not do the same for those that support illegal immigration(of which there was plenty said during the debate this past tuesday at the hearing). That is not to say you speak for anyone else at all, just that you seem to have a double standard when calling out people who use the race card.
“If liberals want to put there money where their mouth is they should be funding birth control and abortions for these freeloaders.”
I can’t believe anyone would advocate abortion on this blog.
What an exciting day, thanks to Greg L. and Help Save Manassas.
I received a call from some family members who live in South Florida that said HSM was featured on the front page, as the headline story for the Ft. Lauderdale Sun Sentinel today (Saturday). They read the article to me which spanned across the entire top half of the fold, front cover, and was continued inside section A to include 1/3 of a page!
The author reported in amazing detail and it recognized us for leading the way and doing something to curb Illegal Immigration. It included the statistics on increased growth in Hispanic’s over the last several years, the increase in gang activity, the strong presence of the MS-13 gang from El Salvador, and other details.
They praised HSM and offered much better coverage than our own local newspaper. Today Keith Walker wrote, “And so it begins….” Maybe he should take a few journalism lessons from Greg! This guy is pretty useless.
Let’s stop saying illegal “immigration” because it feeds our enemys’ accusations that we oppose immigration. I’m guilty of using the wrong terminology myself at times and am trying to avoid it. I don’t know anyone opposed to the illegals who has any problem with people who immigrate to the US legally.
“Illegal Immigration” is an oxymoronic term anyway. An “immigrant” is by definition someone who migrates from one country to another legally. Every American (except those whose families came here illegally) can trace their roots back to immigrants, including the so-called “native” Americans whose ancestors migrated across the ice bridge from Siberia to Alaska during the last ice age. There is no such thing as an “illegal immigrant.” Moreover, saying “legal immigrant” is redundant.
One idiot at the protest outside McCoart Building last Tuesday held up a sign saying that the first immigrants (referring to the orignal immigrants from Siberia during the ice age) were illegal. I’ve studied a lot of history and have never heard of a border crossing being set up on the now-melted ice bridge. No one today is questioning the legitimacy or historic contributions of the “native” Americans to the United States. I hope he represents the caliber of people in the pro-illegal movement.
The correct terms are “illegal migration” for what is happening and “illegal alien” for the individuals who have broken our laws to come here. Don’t let the adversary define the terms of the debate.
Check out this letter in the MJM today. Could this be NOVA Scout? http://www.manassasjm.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=MJM%2FMGArticle%2FWPN_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1173351995258&path=!opinion
That could be any number of interchangeable OBL (open borders lobby) mouthpieces.
They’re all the same.