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Moran Ducks On Section 287(g) Program

By Greg L | 14 July 2007 | Illegal Aliens, Virginia Politics | 32 Comments

At the Blogs United conference in Hampton Roads this morning, Attorney General Bob McDonnell referred to his so far unsuccessful efforts to convince Governor Kaine to use his executive authority to enroll the Commonwealth in the Section 287(g) Program which would ensure that illegal aliens who commit felonies are deported at the end of their detention rather than being released back onto our streets.  After lunch, Delegate Brian Moran, chairman of the House Democratic Caucus, talked a bit about the Governors leadership on a number of issues so I took the opportunity to ask him about this. 

Predictably, Brian Moran waffled and ducked.  I asked whether the Democratic Party was in favor or against having the Governor use his authority to have the State Police participate in this program, or whether the party opposes this program.  Immediately Brian Moran, who has been speaking about the positions of the Democratic party, suddenly denied he could speak for the Democratic Party and refused to say whether he would call on the Governor to agree to Bob McDonnell’s requests.  To the extent he had a substantive response at all, he said that two legislative committees are “studying the issue of illegal immigration.”  I suppose someday they’ll figure out it’s a problem.

Oh, do I smell an opportunity here.  After stonewalling the idea of implementing the Section 287(g) program at the state level, we now have an opportunity to put Democrats on the spot about whether they support the governor using his authority to enroll the Commonwealth in this program, or explain why they don’t.  There doesn’t have to be a special session, there doesn’t have to be a vote, the General Assembly doesn’t have to do a thing.  Tomorrow, Governor Kaine could enroll Virginia in this program.  He hasn’t, and it seems like he won’t.

Let’s start asking Democrats about this.  At least it’s fun to see their reaction.



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  1. Jonathan Mark said on 14 Jul 2007 at 2:25 pm:
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    Unfortunately, many nominal Republicans also oppose deportation. By all means confront Brian Moran, but also confront HOD-51 Republican make-believe nominee Faisal Gill as well. Confront the Gill’s convention endorsers and podium speakers Ken Cuccinelli, Michele McQuigg, Bill Bolling, Corey Stewart and Scott Lingamfelter.

    One of the most outrageous bases for opposing deportation of illegal immigration is the invocation of UNITED NATIONS, not U.S., law. Yet this is what Faisal Gill’s illegal immigration law firm of Gill and Gallinger does in its online advertising directed at illegal aliens awaiting deportation. Gill and Gallinger’s website currently states:

    “”" We can also help you apply for Withholding of Removal (allowing you stay in the U.S. when otherwise eligible for deportation) and gaining protection based on the United Nations Convention Against Torture.

    Deportation/Removal
    Even if you or your loved one is already in the process of being removed from the U.S., Gill & Gallinger may be able to help. We can help you qualify for protection from deportation based on Cancellation of Removal, Waiver of Deportation, Asylum, or other methods. “”"

    It is my hope that people will not merely confront Brian Moran, they will also confront Cuccinelli, Lingamfelter, Stewart, Bolling and McQuigg. They should ask, you claim to oppose illegal immigration. How can you support sending the illegal immigration law firm partner Faisal Gill to Richmond?

  2. Jonathan Mark said on 14 Jul 2007 at 2:30 pm:
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    Here is the link to Gill and Gallinger’s online advertisement offering to file asylum requests for illegal immigrants awaiting deportation:

    http://gillgallinger.com/practice_immigration.asp

    The title of the webpage is “Immigration law attorneys, Gill and Gallinger LLP.”

    When not running for office Faisal Gill does not dispute that he is a partner in the immigration law firm of Gill and Gallinger. Indeed, Gill and Gallinger in their online presence emphasize to potential customers that immigration law is their specialty.

  3. Patty said on 14 Jul 2007 at 4:09 pm:
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    If Brian Moran is any relation to Jim Moran, his comments do not surprise me. They do not care about citizens. They only care about the ones who gave them the big bucks to run their campaigns. The Alexandria area has been suffering under Jim Moran for years.

  4. VB Dems » AG Bob Plays to his Audience said on 14 Jul 2007 at 5:28 pm:
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    […] mother of smooth operator. He stepped up to his Blogs “United” audience and apparently played them like a fiddle. I can’t believe I didn’t predict it. Here I was thinking he would do his usual lame […]

  5. Anonymous said on 14 Jul 2007 at 8:23 pm:
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    Patty, Brian and Jim Moran are brothers. They were too liberal for Mass. so they moved to Alexandia Va. where they could get involved in politics and win.

    Scarry when parts of NOVA are more liberal than the state of Mass.

  6. Jonathan Mark said on 14 Jul 2007 at 10:02 pm:
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    Tom Davis (R) is allied with Jim Moran, however. Moran and Davis often praise each other.

  7. Nancy Pratt said on 15 Jul 2007 at 12:30 am:
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    I think you should know that Faisal Gill is holding a press conference on Wednesday in front of the Salvadorean embassy near the Outback in Woodbridge at 11:30am to support John Stirrup’s resolution. I think it would be interesting to come and listen to what he says. Who knows, maybe he really is against illegal aliens, even if some of his friends are for them. I have heard he wanted to do it in front of the embassy to enphasize his point. I think I will go listen to him.

  8. Bryanna said on 15 Jul 2007 at 12:57 am:
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    It will be interesting to see if Gill will accept a debate from Nichols, and how he will define his position on Immigration law.

    It is very important that the General Assembly support legislation aimed to empower authorities to work together to enforce immigration law. The 9/11 Commission Report on page 390 states the importance of local, state and federal authorities working together.

    There is documentation supporting that The American Muslim Council lobbied the Delegation on the Hill to reform immigration law, it doesn’t identify the lobbyist by name. Not that it confirms that Gill shared his clients views but one could assume that a paid lobbyist is most effective in serving when they share the same views with the organization they represent.

  9. Jonathan Mark said on 15 Jul 2007 at 9:28 am:
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    It doesn’t matter whether a lobbyist believes in his client’s cause or is merely doing it for money. Gill repeatedly, while chief lobbyist for the imprisoned Abdurahman Alamoudi’s American Muslim Council, opposed the use of secret evidence to deport immigrants.

    Whether that was Gill’s personal belief, or merely the belief of his employer the American Muslim Council, is irrelevant. If Gill knew that he was weakening America but did so anyway because it was his job then that makes Gill’s lobbying activities EVEN WORSE.

  10. Vento said on 15 Jul 2007 at 11:37 am:
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    ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION - The Issue Is Less Complicated Than Washington Pretends
    July 08, 2007
    Richmond Times Dispatch
    Sunday, July 08, 2007

    By BILL BOLLING
    TIMES-DISPATCH COLUMNIST

    Illegal immigration is one of the most important issues currently facing our country.

    Unfortunately, the recent debate in Congress over proposed amnesty for illegal immigrants shows just how out of touch some in Washington , D.C. , have become with the American people.

    Americans want something done to stop the flow of illegals coming into our country, and they want the law enforced as it relates to illegals who are already in our country.

    We want people to come to our country for legitimate purposes, such as getting an education or finding a job.

    We want everyone to enjoy the American Dream, but the American Dream must be earned — it cannot be stolen.

    If we are really serious about dealing with the problem of illegal immigration, here is what we need to do:

    First, we must secure our southern border to stop the flow of illegals into our country, and we need to do this immediately. The border must be secured by whatever means is necessary — a physical fence, a virtual fence, more border patrol officers, the National Guard — whatever it takes.

    Second, we must reform our immigration system to make it easier and quicker for people to come to our country for legitimate purposes. The current system is too complex and time consuming, but that is no justification for turning the cheek of indifference to the willful violation of our laws.

    Third, we must take away the incentives that encourage people to come to our country illegally. We must stop providing the benefits of citizenship (Medicaid, welfare, public housing, or any other form of public assistance) to illegal immigrants. These are the benefits of citizenship, and they are intended for American citizens — not people who come to our country illegally.

    Fourth, we must do more to hold employers accountable for knowingly hiring illegal workers or failing to confirm their legal immigration status before hiring them. We must make it as difficult as possible for illegal immigrants to find jobs in our country.

    If we take away the incentives that encourage people to come to our country illegally, like public services and jobs, they will be discouraged from committing illegal acts and encouraged to comply with the law, like millions of other legal immigrants have done before them.

    And finally, we must actively enforce the immigration laws that are already on the books. We need to be more aggressive in our efforts to find illegals and remove them from our country. We may not be able to deport all of the 12 million - 20 million illegals who are in our country today, but we can remove those we encounter along the way.

    Does this sound reasonable to you? It does to me. If so, why can’t Congress do these things and put the immigration debate behind us? Unfortunately, some in Congress appear to be more interested in the politics of immigration than they are in solving the crisis.

    While Congress fails to act, states are forced to do what we can to address the issue on the state level. While the primary responsibility for immigration rests with the federal government, there are things we can do in Virginia to help address this problem.

    We can require the Governor to enter into a Memorandum of Understanding with the Immigration and Customs Enforcement Agency (ICE) to allow state and local law-enforcement agencies to enforce civil immigration laws. This would enable our state and local police to arrest and detain illegals when they encounter them, rather than releasing them.

    We can make sure that illegals in Virginia are not receiving the benefits of citizenship. While we have already acted to take most of these benefits away, we still allow the children of illegal immigrants living in Virginia to pay in-state tuition at our colleges and universities. That should be stopped.

    And finally, we can pass our own laws holding Virginia employers accountable for knowingly hiring illegal workers or knowingly failing to confirm their immigration status prior to hiring them.

    I understand that illegal immigration is complex, but it is not as complex as the politicians in Washington want to make it appear. We support legal immigration. We oppose illegal immigration. And if they cannot understand that, we need some new leaders in Washington .

    Bill Bolling is Virginia ’s Lieutenant Governor.

    Lieutenant Governor William T. “Bill” Bolling | bill.bolling@billbolling.com

  11. Ted said on 15 Jul 2007 at 1:39 pm:
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    In today’s Washington Post article on PWC. Note the high regard the illegal who is working for a VDOT contractor has for our laws and Americans in general:

    The resolution’s effect on Hispanic communities has stretched well beyond Prince William.

    “They’re talking about this in Jefferson County, in Clarke, all the way to West Virginia,” Adrian Escobar said in Spanish, sipping from a Big Gulp cup outside a pupusa kiosk on Route 1. He and his brother Antonio dashed across the border from Mexico nearly 15 years ago and have been in the United States illegally since. They live in Winchester and make $17 an hour as flagmen for a Virginia Department of Transportation subcontractor.

    The Escobar brothers shrugged at all the fretting they’d been hearing from other Hispanics last week, including workers who commute to Prince William to do its grunt work. “Who else is going to pave the roads here?” Adrian asked, cracking up with laughter. “An American? Ha!”

    Antonio said he wasn’t fazed. “If you’re afraid, they’ll just intimidate you more,” he said. Besides, he added, the brothers have a plan in case Prince William police and immigration officials send them home for a “free vacation” to their father’s farm in Guanajuato.

    “We’ll be right back here in a month,” Antonio said.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/14/AR2007071401104_2.html

  12. Jonathan Mark said on 15 Jul 2007 at 2:20 pm:
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    What a hypocrite Bolling is. He states “I understand that illegal immigration is complex, but it is not as complex as the politicians in Washington want to make it appear. ”

    A certain politician named Faisal Gill, who Bolling seeks to send to Richmond, wants to make it more complicated still. As noted at the top of this page, Gill and Gallinger advertises that it can halt deportations of illegal aliens based upon the United Nations Convention Against Torture. Gill and Gallinger boast that their knowledge of loopholes permits their illegal alien clients help illegal aliens remain in the USA.

    Bolling says not a word about his endorsee Gill seeking to impose United Nations immigration law on the US in order to halt deportations.

    You see, Faisal Gill, a thirty-something partner at a small firm with four children, was able to afford to give Bill Bolling’s campaign $14,000.

    Sure, Bolling no doubt thinks, Gill’s helping illegal aliens to delay or evade deportation is bad. But hey, $14,000 is $14,000!

    As I said, when I think of Bill Bolling on immigration I think of a fat hypocrite. Bolling wants to enforce immigration laws except when his friends and allies are harmed by it, and then Gill/Bolling are not for enforcement of immigration laws at all.

  13. Con Valliam (Semper FI) said on 15 Jul 2007 at 3:24 pm:
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    When all you of you so upset about illegal immigration ought to stop the whinning and call out Sen Warner and Congressmen Wolfe and Davis on this issue and STOP VOTING FOR THEM. Then I can take your concerns seriously.

    But electing and relecting men who could and should have NOT let this situation happen with our borders and law enforcement in the first place weakens your concern.

    Oh, and BTW, electing and relecting George Bush as President did NOTHING to improve the situation. Anyone who bitches about the situation ought to turn the mirror around and place the blame there.

    Maybe you will finally realize that the Republican Party in this country created this situation since they had the levers of power. Republicans are not your friends on this situation. If you believe their new found religion on this issue, then I have a pushcart business in Manassas you ought to buy!

    Stupidity is electing Republicans election after election and expecting different results.

  14. freedom said on 15 Jul 2007 at 3:33 pm:
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    Jonathan, it’s unfortunately an epidemic of horrendous proportions within way too many of our politicians — if he’ll give me money, I’ll support him and if my position on an issue will get me voters, I’m for it — at least I’ll say so!

    In November, “remember the 51st” and all those politicians who put money ahead of the right thing to do.

  15. freedom said on 15 Jul 2007 at 3:39 pm:
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    Smiling to ConValliam…and your better alternative? I suppose you disagree with the President’s view on illegal aliens (as I do) but support Hillary’s view, or Ted Kennedy’s view, right? :) :)

  16. anonymous said on 15 Jul 2007 at 4:29 pm:
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    “They live in Winchester and make $17 an hour as flagmen for a Virginia Department of Transportation subcontractor.”

    They have to hire illegal aliens to do what has typically been thought of as the one highway job with the least work (flipping a sign back and forth between “STOP” and “SLOW”)?

    Wonder if that $17 an hour is tax-free.

  17. Maureen Wood said on 15 Jul 2007 at 5:12 pm:
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    -”When all you of you so upset about illegal immigration ought to stop the whinning and call out Sen Warner and Congressmen Wolfe and Davis on this issue and STOP VOTING FOR THEM. ”

    I got a very nice letter two days ago from Congressman Wolf. It states that he sent a letter to the Senate asking them not to go through with the amnesty bill. He also said that he will never vote on any bill that supports amnesty.

  18. Patty said on 15 Jul 2007 at 5:17 pm:
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    As far as paving goes. Look at the job that was done on Ashton Ave. near the government center. Driving on gravel is actually better than driving on this stuff. So, when illegals pave our roads they have to be redone. Real quality work (Ha! Ha! Ha!).
    Does this surprise anyone?

  19. Nancy Pratt said on 15 Jul 2007 at 6:21 pm:
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    I know Bill Bolling and I cannot believe he would ever condone illegal immigration. I don’t like that he endorsed Faisal Gill but when he was a senator he did what he said he was going to do. I doubt he understood what was going on with Faisal Gill. I truly believe he is a supporter of what John Stirrup proposed. I think he will be a good ally to get stuff done. I support Bolling and I am against illegal immigration. I voted for Bush and I am against illegal immigration. We can vote or endorse people for many reasons and still have values and beliefs that are different than theirs. I think we should avoid making enemies of allies and lumping them into a pot that ends up cooking friends.

  20. AWCheney said on 15 Jul 2007 at 8:06 pm:
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    I just met someone today who gave me an interesting perspective on this illegal alien problem.

    This individual is originally from Texas, where he had a small carpentry company and had a number of illegal aliens from Mexico working for him (Texas, like California, has had the situation a lot longer than we have). Aside from the reason for that, he told me that he often tried to convince them to go back and do the immigration process legally. What he was told in response is really interesting, and makes a great deal of sense.

    He was told by them that it was virtually impossible to afford the bribes to the MEXICAN OFFICIALS necessary to go through the legal immigration process (it was not time on waiting list, it was the process of getting on the waiting list in the first place). As I said, not in the least surprising, but not something that would have occurred to me.

    It would seem that our government’s recent overtures to the Mexican government to explore immigration reform jointly is not just a step in the right direction, but absolutely necessary for reform to do any good. This, by the way, is one reason why it is MANDATORY for us to send those illegal aliens back…THAT might be the only incentive for the Mexican government to clean its own house. They won’t want to lose their primary source of income (and I don’t mean the bribes!).

  21. anonymous said on 16 Jul 2007 at 12:21 am:
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    “Driving on gravel is actually better than driving on this stuff. So, when illegals pave our roads they have to be redone. Real quality work (Ha! Ha! Ha!).
    Does this surprise anyone?”

    Doesn’t surprise me. It’s all about quantity and not quality. You have two choices: You can hire someone cheap and unqualified who will screw the job up and take longer, and maybe you think you got a “good deal” because you got, say, 40 hours of work out of him on that one job. This is the “grunt work” approach. Working harder, not smarter.

    (Regarding “hard workers”: Work is always hard when you don’t know what you’re doing. It’s quite easy when you do).

    Choice #2 is to hire someone who costs more but is qualified and will the same amount of work in fewer hours, because they didn’t make a bunch of mistakes while doing it. Also known as working smarter, not harder.

    I’ve seen a variant of the sort of thinking that someone who chooses #1 above. This is the customer who gets mad when someone (a computer tech, electrician, automotive tech, etc). solves a problem for them in a short amount of time (say 20 minutes) but charges them for a full hour. This sort of customer would actually, believe it or not, think they got their money’s worth if the repairperson actually spent the full hour fixing the problem–as might be the case if the repair person is not qualified.

    Let me ask–if I, as a repairperson, computer tech, electrician, whatever–am skilled enough to fix your problem in 20 minutes compared to some hack who would take an hour, shouldn’t I get the same amount of money for my work? The customer got the same results for the same money–better actually, because I fixed it 40 minutes sooner. That’s 40 minutes their equipment wasn’t down, 40 minutes they didn’t need to stand around watching me.

    But no. Perversely, they feel they’ve gotten a better deal when the job takes longer because someone who is unskilled is doing it.

    I started becoming aware of this years ago when I had a job building and installing internet servers. I was MUCH quicker and MORE efficient than the other guy whom I replaced. I would get each server built and online in an hour or less–the other guy took at least 3-4 hours because, surprise surprise, he wasn’t as skilled at the job.

    Because I was so much quicker at getting the servers built and online, there were days where I simply ran out of work to do–there were no more servers to put online, or the hardware was not on stock, etc. This resulted in the boss complaining that I wasn’t busy, that I was sitting around doing nothing, etc. I don’t think he ever complained about the 3-4 day backlog of work from the other guy–perhaps he felt he was getting his money’s worth out of the other guy since he was always “working hard”. (As I said, it’s “hard work” when you don’t know what you’re doing).

    So those are my experiences. I guess the question is, you want “hard work” or “smart work”? I do “smart work”. I’ll leave the “hard work” to unskilled hacks.

  22. Bryanna said on 16 Jul 2007 at 12:58 am:
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    The $96,000 question is have any of our elected politicians, Republican or Democrat accepted campaign contribtions from any *foreigners?

    *Anyone who is NOT an American citizen.

  23. freedom said on 16 Jul 2007 at 6:45 am:
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    …but another question, similar but different, Bryanna is: Have any of our elected politicians, Republican or Democrat accepted campaign contributions (or consultant fees) originating from *foreigners but funneled through American citizens?

    *Anyone who is NOT an American citizen.

  24. anon said on 16 Jul 2007 at 1:44 pm:
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    Bill Bolling did know about the controversy with Faisal. The question is Was Faisal a direct player with Alamoudi and did Faisal instruct Muslims not to cooperate with the FBI and other law enforcement.

    It impacts the 51st district directly in many important ways. The 911 plotters lived just twenty miles from here. The same mosque that Mohammad Atta prayed at is still going strong in Falls Church. Now there are possible links to the recent UK bombing and Airport fire in the US.

    The FBI is questioning several doctors in Ohio and the Muslims are refusing to Cooperate with the FBI and are using lawyers to answer simple questions.

    http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/Toledo071607

    Since Faisal worked for a group that advised Muslims not to talk to law enforcement, we need to ask Faisal does he endorse that policy?

  25. Jonathan Mark said on 16 Jul 2007 at 3:45 pm:
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    Maybe Bolling doesn’t know about Gill’s past as the chief lobbyist for the imprisoned Abdurahman Alamoudi’s American Muslim Council.

    Or maybe Bolling DOESN’T CARE about Gill’s past as the chief lobbyist for the imprisoned Abdurahman Alamoudi’s American Muslim Council.

    Either way, somebody who knows Bolling should speak to him immediately about Gill before Bolling causes himself more self-damage through Bolling’s troubling association with Asim Ghafoor, Gill and Gallinger, and the Sapentia LLC.

    Virginia’s children will not sleep more safely in their beds because Bolling pleads ignorance of the true facts of this matter and instead wants to send Terror Lobbyist #1 Faisal Gill to Richmond.

  26. freedom said on 16 Jul 2007 at 3:51 pm:
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    anon, as you say, Faisal Gill worked for a group that advised Muslims not to talk to law enforcement…as I see it, the burden of responsibility rests on HIS shoulders to denounce it (which he hasn’t). Until he does, and until he does a lot of things, for voting purposes, I assume him to have supported the concept.

    Politicians talk a lot and Faisal Gill is no exception; I think it’s about time for this “Delegate wannabe” to set the record straight, in no uncertain terms, on a lot of issues. Thus far, he’s just been a “I knew nothing about it” kind of guy. What would you expect him to say? I’d say he’s “meat for Paul Nichols,” but Paul Nichols is a nice guy….too nice, when it comes to mercy on Faisal Gill! Oh, and let’s not forget those principle-less “Gill supporting” Republican elected leaders either.

  27. Bryan said on 16 Jul 2007 at 4:49 pm:
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    Not sure about Brian, but Jim Moran is good for Northern Virginia. - High ranking DEM on the approps committee means he can steer federal money towards his constituents.

    Dont throw people out of office. you regret it in the long run. it is about committees they sit on. not who they are or what great speechmakers they are. or if they tell you what you want to hear about immigration. they cannot effect change anyways

  28. AWCheney said on 16 Jul 2007 at 5:33 pm:
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    No, it’s all about “Pork,” right Bryan?

  29. Jonathan Mark said on 16 Jul 2007 at 6:15 pm:
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    “”"Dont throw people out of office. you regret it in the long run.”"”

    Such sentiments are why it is so difficult to remove mediocre or worse incumbents of either party.

    All the more reason to keep unfit candidates like Gill out of office in the first place, so we don’t have this issue.

  30. Bryanna said on 17 Jul 2007 at 12:39 am:
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    “Maybe Bolling doesn’t know about Gill’s past as the chief lobbyist for the imprisoned Abdurahman Alamoudi’s American Muslim Council.”

    Or is it weak leadership that will allow us to fall on the sword of political correctness? And if so, is that the type of leadership we should continue to support? The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

  31. freedom said on 17 Jul 2007 at 7:46 am:
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    Jonathan and Bryanna, you’re both right. When any candidate enjoys the huge “block vote” that Gill does…we saw that at the convention…it’s difficult to keep him out of office in the first place. Further, it’s even MORE difficult when elected officials dismiss his history — and are sufficiently influenced by his money and the “block of votes” that he commands, to support him…and speak on his behalf.

    Those are the incumbents that need to go!

  32. Bryanna said on 17 Jul 2007 at 10:02 am:
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    “When any candidate enjoys the huge “block vote”

    Freedom, I believe you have nailed the strategy of winning elections for some politicians, and is not limited to a specific party or level of government. An example of the “block vote” is an estimated 7 million “citizens” from the Muslim community working together to get George and Jeb Bush elected.

    The “block vote” constituents are well organized and strategically united in their initiatives such as repealing the Department of Justices use of undisclosed evidence against Middle Eastern terrorist in deportation proceedings. Some say this is a vital part of counterterrorism efforts.

    To maintain a fare and balanced political process that accurately reflects the diversity of all American culture it is seemingly more critical than ever to educate the public and get out the vote.

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