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Help Save Virginia Beach Disappoints

By Greg L | 20 July 2007 | Illegal Aliens, Virginia Politics | 14 Comments

I’ve been hearing for some time about the difficulties being experienced by the folks in Virginia Beach area with setting up their own “Help Save” chapter.  As with any organization, there’s the potential for personality clashes and disagreements about vision, methods and organization, and these unfortunate folks seem to have all of those.  Last night there was a membership meeting of Help Save Virginia Beach, and it went about as badly as anyone can imagine, in full view of the press.   After seeing how successful issue advocacy on this can be, it’s painful to see things go wrong.

You’d figure that when Ray Tranchant, who lost his daughter to a drunken illegal alien by the name of Alfredo Ramos who had multiple previous interactions with the Virginia Beach Police Department, comes to speak and expresses his frustration that no one there is really doing anything about the problem, it would be a perfect opportunity to talk about the Section 287(g) Program, following Prince William County’s lead, or anti-harboring laws.  Instead, Help Save Virginia Beach’s nominal leader Jean Foster decides to talk about federal initiatives to establish English as our official national language.  Not surprisingly, Ray Tranchant walked out.

I might have also.

It’s hard when this movement is a collection of local volunteers who band together and rely on (or don’t rely on) assistance from other volunteers who lead other organizations in Virginia.  Help Save Virginia isn’t funded by Anheuser-Busch (which funds MALDEF), or the Ford Foundation (which funds National Council of La Raza), or George Soros.  There aren’t professionals on staff to help guide these new organizations, lend them on-site support, or train local leadership on how to be successful at issue advocacy.  Sometimes these organizations take off, and sometimes they flounder.  That Help Save Herndon, Help Save Loudoun, and Help Save Manassas have succeeded might be considered somewhat of a fluke, where they found an organizational model that fit the local political landscape, got the right people to participate in the leadership, and had some idea how to run an organization.  There’s a lot of things that have to go right in order to make a grass-roots issue advocacy organization work, and it’s easy to go wrong.

At least there’s a small collection of people who are dedicated enough to this issue in Virginia Beach to suffer through the growing pains.  Throughout Hampton Roads there are likely many, many more.  Somehow this will all get sorted out, and even if Virginia Beach discovers a bunch of ways how not to do this, eventually they will find one of the right ways.

For Virginia Beach, and other areas where citizens want to do something other than complain to their neighbors about the problem of illegal aliens, Help Save Manassas and the other members of the Help Save Virginia network are ready to help as much as they can.  All it takes is a small group of people who want to get things started, and some support from those who have been there and done that.  Fortunately, the number of those people with experience is growing.

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  1. Disgusted said on 21 Jul 2007 at 2:58 am:
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    People need to get off of their asses and see what is happening to their communities. Illegals and their advocacy groups use this dis-harmony to their advantage and it is their strength. The reason progress is starting to happen here is that all socio-economic groups are being affected by the illegal alien invasion and thus are cooperating with each other. In other areas where their presence is not quite as severe people still react with their own selfish motives. The next move you will see by these people is a move to have Spanish as the national language because we are too damn lazy to get English proclaimed as our language.
    An 18 year old girl was raped by someone who spoke mostly Spanish and a little broken English in Manassas. No one will care about her because there is a good chance that the perp was an illegal. It will never make national news, only a small blurb in a backwater newspaper that has less significance than the toilet paper I wipe my ass with. With that being said, if they are unwilling to help themselves, to hell with them. Let them get the spiraling demented crap that is coming towards them, and let them be happy with it:

    An 18-year-old woman was raped in the common area greens behind town houses in the 9800 block of Buckner Road in Manassas around 1:45 a.m. Saturday, Manassas police announced today.

    The woman was standing outside waiting for her boyfriend to leave a party they had gone to together, when a man grabbed her around the neck from behind and drug her to the area behind the town houses, police said.

    Three men interrupted the rape and the attacker fled toward Town Lane and Buckner Road.

    The attacker is described as a dark-complexioned, thin Hispanic man, between 5 feet 4, and 5 feet 5 inches tall, and 130 to 140 pounds. He had short brown hair, cut close to the scalp and brown eyes, police said. He spoke some broken English, but mostly Spanish.

    Anyone with information about this attack is asked to call Manassas City Crime Solvers at 703-330-0330. Callers could earn up to a $1,000 cash reward for information that leads to an arrest in this case.

  2. LuvinVB said on 21 Jul 2007 at 9:43 am:
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    I have a relative who lives in Virginia Beach and she was astounded when she came here to see how much a cultural divide that there was in Northern Virginia. She commented that she isn’t even aware of an illegal community in Virginia Beach. Now this is a woman who reads the newspaper, goes out in the commuinty and is involved with the legal system, she’s not someone who never leaves her house and ignores the news. Nonetheless, here is a person who has not felt a direct effect of being a haven for illegals. Having visited down there several times, I can confirm that the effect on their quality of life is no where near what ours is, despite the coverage that the drunk driving accident received. I would guess that it will be hard to really get an organization off the ground successfully until there is more of a direct effect on the community.

  3. Anonymous said on 21 Jul 2007 at 4:43 pm:
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    We should learn from these experiences. It sounds like the group suffered from lack of focus. Theirs, and our, focus should be to repel an invasion of illegals. Getting bogged down in side issues like official languages is not productive.

  4. Disgusted said on 22 Jul 2007 at 12:04 am:
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    The side issue of language was an example to show what laziness and not caring enough to show up will accomplish. It was not an endorsement of a change of anyones position of what is the most important issue, getting rid of the aliens in the first place.

  5. Carlton said on 22 Jul 2007 at 6:53 pm:
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    lets cut to the chase - the government has allowed these people to invade our country, each American citizen has a responsibility to approach and challenge these illegals any and every where we encounter them in the grcery store, at the gas station, on our buses, in our schools, in our hospitals, every where challenge them forcing them out of our lines in the grocery store - forcing them out of our resturaunts, tellin them to get the HELL OUTTA OUR COUNTRY - How dare you invade our borders and walk around out towns and communities like you belong here…. CHallenge them do what we have to do to take away thier boldness and confidence to freely walk in our communities unchallenged…..If one is ahead of me in the grocery store I am going to tel them to get the HELL outta the line I refuse to stand inline behind someone who is illegal in my country …. I for detaining and holding them and demanding that the cops enforce our immigration laws in this country we the people have to do something drastic because believe it or not folks, it is probably too late…………………………..

  6. pfwag said on 22 Jul 2007 at 6:56 pm:
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    The impact of illegal immigration is far worse than most people realize. To see how bad it actually is, see THE DARK SIDE OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. You may find the 206 page report posted for free at http://www.usillegalaliens.com/

    I am the author. My contact e-mail is posted at the end of the report.

  7. Satan said on 22 Jul 2007 at 10:52 pm:
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    Lets not get arrested out there. It is very easy to work within the law to do what we want as witnessed by Loudon and PW counties. We need to have leadership from these organizations to help focus our activities on stemming illegal aliens in a legal way. That is OUR strenght, in upholding the law. That is what this is all about. Let’s not forget that fact.

  8. Scott said on 23 Jul 2007 at 1:09 am:
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    Unfortunately it is almost impossible to tell an illegal citizen from a legal citizen. I have heard people talk who I thought knew English but didn’t, and vice versa. It is easy to forget that this problem is not just about Hispanics, and I have to slap myself in the face every now and then when I feel that urge to lump everyone together.

  9. BL said on 23 Jul 2007 at 4:20 pm:
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    Illegal Aliens & Crime

    INS/FBI Statistical Report on Undocumented Immigrants
    2006 (First Quarter)
    95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.
    83% of warrants for murder in Phoenix are for illegal aliens.
    86% of warrants for murder in Albuquerque are for illegal aliens.
    75% of those on the most wanted list in Los Angeles, Phoenix and Albuquerque are illegal aliens.
    24.9% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally
    40.1% of all inmates in Arizona detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally
    48.2% of all inmates in New Mexico detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally
    29% (630,000) convicted illegal alien felons fill our state and federal prisons at a cost of $1.6 billion annually
    53% plus of all investigated burglaries reported in California, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona and Texas are perpetrated by illegal aliens.
    50% plus of all gang members in Los Angeles are illegal aliens from south of the border.
    71% plus of all apprehended cars stolen in 2005 in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada and California were stolen by Illegal aliens or “transport coyotes”.
    47% of cited/stopped drivers in California have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 47%, 92% are illegal aliens.
    63% of cited/stopped drivers in Arizona have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 63%, 97% are illegal aliens
    66% of cited/stopped drivers in New Mexico have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 66% 98% are illegal aliens.
    380,000 plus “anchor babies” were born in the U.S. in 2005 to illegal alien parents, making 380,000 babies automatically U.S.citizens and, under our laws, entitled to invite the rest of their family to join them.
    97.2% of all costs incurred from those births were paid by the American taxpayers.
    66% plus of all births in California are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal whose births were paid for by taxpayers.

  10. Not concerned about VB said on 25 Jul 2007 at 10:24 am:
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    There was a black guy raping Latinas in the Gaithersburg area. All blacks are terrible.
    Don’t just use one example to demonize the whole group. Anecdotes won’t give you enough support. Bring pictures and video to prove how bad thins are in Virginia Beach.

  11. Not concerned about VB said on 25 Jul 2007 at 10:28 am:
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    BL, you use this stats everywhere but when I went to check the INS/FBI websites I don’t find anything to corroborate your facts.
    What is the source please?
    It is hard for me to believe that murder in LA is mainly caused by Latinos.
    You don’t seem to be worried that close to your neighborhood in DC Blacks are killing black. Who cares right? They are americans.

  12. anon said on 26 Jul 2007 at 1:14 pm:
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    VB doesn’t have the problem with illegal aliens that northern Virginia does. Right now there really isn’t anything visible to “save” Virginia Beach from. There aren’t day laborer centers. There aren’t guys standing at the 7-11 for 8 hours a day harrassing every woman who enters. The rundown neighborhoods are rundown because slobs live there - of all races and ethnicities. Of course there are illegals in VB of all nationalities, but with rare exception, they aren’t making public nuisances of themselves. It will be hard to get people active in the VB area because except for the very tragic death of the two young ladies, illegals don’t impact daily life.

  13. NY harbor '51 said on 26 Jul 2007 at 10:46 pm:
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    Stay away from HELP SAVE ….! This group does nothing but devide communities. It doesn’t save anything. I live in Herndon, and I KNOW!!!!

  14. Anonymous said on 10 Aug 2007 at 2:37 pm:
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    hahahahahahahahahahaha racists

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