In this case we have one country in particular — Mexico — that is determined to force its ways on the US — and we have American people, i.e. patriots, who are fighting to restore our sovereignty and right of self-determination.

That is the essence of the issue.

Babbling on about the evils of “Nationalism” really isn’t germane to the discussion.

PS — Mexico is one of the most nationalistic nations under the sun. You should try reading the lyrics of their national anthem sometime.

There really is a great difference between patriotism and nationalism. Patriots love their country and are willing to give their lives to defend the flag, the nation and the Constitution from all who would do them harm, both foreign and domestic. Nationalists, on the other hand believe that their country is the most powerful country in the world and the only one that matters. Nationalistic citizens believe they are the best, the toughest, the strongest, the most intelligent, the most favored by God, alway right no matter what they do or say or how many innocent people they harm, torture or kill.

Patriots strive to do what is good not only for their nation but also for the world community of which they are a part. Nationalists on the other hand could care less about the rest of the world. They want to impose their views, beliefs, religion and way of living on the rest of the world usually by force and with guns and bayonets. They believe “Might Makes Right” and they have no room for compassion for those who live in other countries that lack the advantages and benefits of their own country or for people whose views differ from theirs.

Nationalists are willing to invade other nations to steal their natural resources so that their own standard of living is not lowered. They see those who differ with them as enimical to what they want to do and are quick to call people who hold different views from their own “Traitors,” “Bleeding-heart liberals,” “leftists” and “scum.” They use pejorative terms to make ad hominem attacks on those with whom they disagree. They are happy to put a jack-boot on a weaker person’s head and to “keep them in their place.” Nationalists masquerade as patriots by displaying their nation’s flag, often in the same manner as sports pendants are displayed waving from both sides of their speeding pickup trucks, yellow ribbons proclaiming “Support Our Troops,” and T-shirts proclaiming “Kill Them All! Let God Sort Them Out.” The frequently have bumper stickers that say, “My Kid Can Kick Your Honor Student’s Ass!”

Nationalists seldom volunteer for military duty but may join local militias where they can play soldier in the woods. When asked if they will join and go to Iraq, most have other priorities for their lives because for nationalists it is all about “ME.” Nationalists don’t seek to unite and are not willing to negotiate because that would be sign of “weakness.” They might claim to be “uniters” but they really like division because that causes strife which they enjoy sitting at their computers and adding fuel to for the conflagration they hope will come. Most of their comments are sophmoric and appeal to base emotions. Nationalists love war if they can run it and never see the blood, guts or enemy up close and never have to dodge bullets or risk their own lives. They enjoy seeing others fight and die in their place but they seldom are willing to risk it all. Nationalists are full of bravado and machismo but like most bullies they are basically all mouth and with little in the brain department.

I sympathize with the wife of the Army Captain who has been sent for repeated tours to Iraq while all this BLOG does is try to cause strife in this country against a segment of society who mostly want to work, earn a living and improve the lives of their family members. Has anyone ever looked at the number of Hispanic surnames that are on the rolls of the Killed In Iraq War? Many of these people died without ever gaining US citizenship but unlike the Nationalists, they were willing to fight and die for America…That is PATRIOTISM.

If you are on the side of illegal aliens, YOU are the oppressor, not the one fighting it.

–You are in favor of stealing citizenship rights from native-born Americans and legal immigrants. I have paid taxes to our federal “government” for 30 years to protect my citizenship rights — how do you justify stealing my citizenship rights from me when I have paid probably $200,000 or more for them over the course of my working life?

–You are in favor of giving Mexico (a corrupt, drug-gang controlled, third world country with the sixth highest murder rate in the world) more say in the political affairs of our sovereign nation (they already have way too much influence over us as it is — amnesty for illegals will just give them more.)

–You are in favor of putting the “rights” of foreigners ahead of the rights of American citizens who fought, bled and died for their nation’s sovereignty.

Oppressor, not a fighter of oppression. And, as I am one of the native-born American people you are oppressing, don’t expect any sympathy from me.

POWA:

If you are not a Moby, why do you use racial slurs like you did in your first post? It doesn’t help your cause at all.

I agree that there are plenty of native-born Americans and legal immigrants who can do the work of the illegals. We don’t need them at all, they are the ones who need US.

Lastly, I would like someone to explain to me why we need 20 million guest workers when we have more than enough lazy americans sitting on their collective arses collecting federal assistance subsidized by us hard working people.

PS - Anyone that has a problem with this obvious truth can go **** themselves.

[Ed note: comment edited.]

“Proud White American” is a Moby. A Moby is a left-winger who goes on conservative blogs and pretends to be a conservative and then spouts extremist rhetoric to make the conservative blog look bad. This was a tactic advocated by the rock star called “Moby” — that is why such people are called Moby.

Mobys are very easy to spot, because they talk in caricatures of what they think “redneck” Americans talk like. They themselves do not know any “rednecks” or “crackers” or “white trash” and are hopeless at trying to immitate their speech patterns.

GREG,
If your like me, this has got to be driving you CRAZY, not being able to be right in the mix of what, now seems to be YOUR time and also trying to enjoy your family’s vacation, but again, what I just stated above, TRUTH COMES OUT, just like they say, timing is everything, what comes around goes around, things happen for a reason……ENJOY, ENJOY, your vacation, I think we have things covered here and you are smiling where you are at.

Besides, why in the hell do we need illegal aliens when we have 40 million negroes in this country that are sitting on their arses collecting welfare or committing crime. I say send the mexzoids back to Mexico and put chains back on the negroes. Two problems solved.

By Peter Gadiel

For five years, members of 9/11 Families for a Secure America have lobbied in Washington and in many state capitols for immigration law enforcement and secure borders. The opponents of our goals are many throughout Congress and elsewhere, but during this period the most powerful of them has been that individual with the sole authority to require the federal government to enforce these laws and who, by his refusal to do so, has made that government a co-conspirator in undermining the security of this Nation. That person is of course, George Bush.

As chief of the Executive Branch he has under the Constitution not only the sole power but the duty to enforce the laws of our country, a duty he refuses to honor. He thumbs his nose at the obligations imposed on him by the Constitution, which, in the name of the God he claims to worship, he has sworn to uphold. Since the people of the United States have no recourse through the court system to make him enforce the law, he alone has the power to decide that illegal aliens will be permitted to prey on Americans, and he has made that decision.

The harm that George Bush has done to this country is seen by many but felt most severely by those who have been the victims of crimes committed by illegal alien criminals, many of whom, after all, are in the United States due to Bush’s refusal to enforce federal laws already on the books.

The president’s efforts to undermine the collective security of the Nation and the individual security of citizens have caused many to ask: “Why does Bush allow illegal aliens, every one a law breaker, to enter the United States freely? Why does he refuse to enforce existing law and to allow terrorists, violent felons and drug smugglers full access to their intended American victims? Why does he continuously ignore the Constitution and the oath he swore to uphold it? Why doesn’t he care about Americans suffering as a result of depressed wages and working conditions, or about the Americans who have been the victims of crimes committed by illegal aliens?”

I have been meeting such victims and families for almost six years. As time passes I’ve grown more disturbed by what the Bush malfeasance indicates about his character. In part this is so because I meet ever more victims and see the list of victims grow longer. But there is another list that is also growing and this too affects my view of the man: the number of elected officials I have spoken with who, because of their positions in the government, have had one-on-one conversations with the president and who insist he is fully aware of the crimes inflicted by his illegal alien friends. There was a time when I gave Mr. Bush the benefit of the doubt; I believed he was insulated from the facts…that he didn’t know what was happening in the states. But now I grasp the truth: He does know. He doesn’t care: What kind of man must this be?

But as to George Bush (and many other elected officials and bureaucrats) I have come to realize my original appraisal was wrong. His actions since 9/11 have, for me, established that he lacks concern for the lives of individual Americans. Three thousand people died on 9/11, but since that day far more than three thousand have been killed, individually or in small groups, by illegal aliens. And still he refuses to enforce the laws that would end the killing. Thousands of Americans have been killed in intentional murders, or as ‘by-products’ of robberies, rapes, beatings or auto accidents caused by drunken illegals driving automobiles. Thousands more lives have not been ended but have nevertheless been shattered by acts of violence short of murder, such as child molestation. (The Bush Administration makes a proper accounting of these crimes impossible by virtue of its refusal to require local police to inquire into the illegal status of those arrested.)

That George Bush’s refusal to enforce the laws of this Nation has been the direct cause of these Americans’ death and suffering is simply beyond dispute. He and the Tony Snows and Michael Chertoffs he hires can protest all they want about the “impossibility” of securing our borders. He and they can pretend to be merely incompetent for only so long before Americans wake up and realize they’re not just incompetent, they are misrepresenting the truth.

To the many who wonder why Bush is doing what he’s doing, I offer some advice. For a long time I wondered too. Finally, I realized the futility of spending another moment on this imponderable. The reason why doesn’t matter. The fact that it is so is all that matters. But for those who need to have an answer as to the ‘why’ of the Bush actions I suggest you look at the motives of others who have betrayed our country: ideology, revenge, greed.

One or more of these pretexts must be what Bush employs in his own mind to justify his tolerance of violence and death. In that sense he is undoubtedly conventional, typical of his breed. But in one respect Mr. Bush has carved out a place that is unique among corrupt politicians. In his obsession to pass his amnesty, a major tool in the permanent elimination of our borders, he offered what amounted to a bribe, in public, to members of the US Senate, telling them that if they would vote for his amnesty bill he would provide 4.5 billion dollars to build the border fence that a 2005 federal law he signed required to be built. In those two years Mr. Bush has managed to get only a few miles of that fence built, but suddenly he saw that enforcement of this federal law could be used as a payoff to be offered to Senators to vote for his amnesty. Presto, he promises to come up with four and a half billion to build it.

Of course Mr. Bush is far from the first politician to engage in illegal or immoral behavior. But it is customary for politicians to try and keep their corruption a secret. For example, Boss Tweed of New York; Sen. Tom Dodd (father of the current Sen. Dodd) of Connecticut, Ted Kennedy. These bribe takers, philanderers, drunk drivers and lady killers at least tried to keep their crimes hidden from the public. As reprehensible as they were or are, they at least comprehended that their actions deviated from the norm and felt sufficient concern for public opinion that they didn’t want their crimes exposed. Mr. Bush appears to be unique in this regard, for either he lacks awareness that his behavior is wrong, or his contempt for the people of the United States is so absolute that he is doesn’t care that we see him offering bribes.

Naturally, when corrupt politicians are discussed Bill and Hillary Clinton cannot be ignored: Whitewater; cattle futures; Travelgate; Vince Foster; pardons for Susan McDougal, Puerto Rican terrorists, and Marc Rich; questioning the meaning of the word “is.” We also cannot forget that for eight years prior to September 11, while Moslem terrorists escalated their attacks against the United States these co-Presidents successfully schemed to avoid dealing with terrorism by sweeping it under the rug for their successor. These are the two who paved the way for September 11 by their refusal to respond with sufficient force to the numerous terrorist acts that occurred during their presidency: the 1993 attack on the World Trade Center, the embassy bombings, the Mogadishu atrocities, the bombing of the USS Cole, etc. By their inaction they encouraged and permitted the growth of the power of binLadin. Ultimately, the greatest responsibility for September 11 lies not with Bush but with the Clintons.

Yet it is George Bush who has been in office for six years after the murders of 3000 on 9/11. It is he who has been president since then as crimes by illegals have killed thousands more. It is possible to excuse the inaction of the Clintons as opportunistic passing of the buck to their successor in the White House. But George Bush cannot claim that excuse. The resulting damage was obvious for all to see. He cannot claim ignorance. He cannot avoid his guilt. Yet, he marches on, completely dismissing the blood that is spilled and the pain that results from his refusal to act.

It is useless to speculate about “why” he permits these crimes. So to those who continue to wonder, my advice is: don’t waste another moment of thought on the matter. Use your energy to contact your members of Congress, your governor, state legislators. Then contact them again, and then again. Educate your friends and enlist them in the cause of immigration reform.

Elected officials do respond to pressure from constituents. You have power, but only if you use it by communicating repeatedly with them. The richly funded campaigns of LaRaza, Chamber of Commerce, Ford Foundation, bankers, lawyers, et al., to open our borders succeed precisely because they make themselves heard while others remain silent. Your silence in the face of their campaigns is as powerful an ally of the open borders lobby as the open borders lobbyists themselves. So, make yourselves heard. You have a voice. Use it.

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Democrats and neo-cons alike.