The Aftermath
By Greg L | 23 July 2007 | Blogs, Prince William County | 376 Comments
I’ve been checking in from time to time to see the reaction from the Washington Post article, and it’s been somewhat surreal. The website got about ten times the normal weekday traffic on Sunday, and the previous post which mentioned that I was getting some coverage recorded a record number of comments, many from folks who I would never imagine coming to visit. I’m kind of flooded with emails, one of which was from the producer of the Anderson Cooper 360 show on CNN which I’ll probably connect with when I get back from vacation. Please be patient if you’re one of those folks looking for a response, as I’m still on vacation this week and am trying not to be in front of a keyboard the whole time.
By the way, has anyone seen Fox News recently? I thought the issue of illegal aliens was something they were talking about from time to time. So far I’ve been on the local television affiliates, the regional newspapers, and MSNBC and perhaps CNN. The interest I’m seeing on the illegal alien issue so far has entirely been coming from those whom I would not have expected to pay all that much attention to grass-roots efforts in this area, and those who I would expect would want to do coverage on this have been surprisingly quiet on what’s been happening in Prince William County lately. Chris Plante on WMAL is the only conservative I’ve talked to.
Surreal.
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Mickey Kaus’ blog Kausfiles wrote about Fox News not covering the immigration battle last month. He believes that Fox News is very supportive of President Bush. The Bush administration favored comprehensive immigration legislation, so Fox News underplayed coverage of the immigration controversy. Kaus was strongly against the comprehensive immigration bill.
Greg, I was driving to MD yesterday, listinging to WTOP news and low and behold, they covered “Greg Letiecq and the illegal immigration issue.” They were picking it up from the WashPo article. You’re right, it is strange that FoxNews is not picking it up, Kaus might be on to something.
Greg ~ As a mom and a wife to someone who works way too much, I can appreciate how torn you are trying to put this aside for a week and concentrate on your family and the beach. This isn’t going anywhere. Try to clear your mind and enjoy your family vacation. Step away from the laptop…go build some sandcastles. Keep your wife happy. It will serve you well when you return to real life.
Thanks for all you’re doing for PWC. I appreciate your efforts.
The illegal alien problem has been building for some time now. Our government has let it get out of hand, by doing nothing. The currently elected government is aware of the illegal alien problem. Now is the time for these elected officials to stand up and do something or be voted out of office.
I’ve been writing the PWC Board to let them know that I support the resolution to limit PWC services to illegal aliens. I’ve also written the Lt. Governor with the same message. My next step is to work on the Virginia congressmen and representatives. I’m doing this because the problem needs attention on all three levels. Local government (e.g. city and county) can cut off services for illegal aliens without state or federal approval. This can be done now – going through a legal process. State government can cut off services to illegal aliens and work with local and federal governments to send the illegal aliens back to their country of origin. The state government changes may lag behind local government changes due to the need to coordinate with more citizens. The federal government can cut off services to illegal aliens. This will move more slowly due to national politics, special interest, etc. (big government).
Local government service cut off would include, checking the status of all who apply and if the people seeking city/county services are illegal alien, the service is denied. Further if the information on the application for service were stored in a database and shared with the state it would assist the state government to act in a similar manner. Local services in clued, and not limited to, registrations of cars for county stickers, registration for schools, registration for health services, registration for unemployment, etc. By the way, governments need to declare English as the official business language and stop printing forms/information in other languages. PWC employees need to be trained in this new approach in doing business to ensure that business is conducted in a consistent manner for all people. Failure to conduct business in this manner must have accountability and consequences.
State government service cut off would include, checking the status of all who apply and if the people seeking state services are illegal alien, the service is denied. Further if the information on the application for service were stored in a database and shared with local governments it would assist the local governments to act in a similar manner. State services in clued, and not limited to, state registration of cars, getting a VA driver’s license, registration for state colleges/universities, registration for health services, registration for unemployment, etc. Virginia employees need to be trained in this new approach in doing business to ensure that business is conducted in a consistent manner for all people. Failure to conduct business in this manner must have accountability and consequences.
Federal government service cut off would include, checking the status of all who apply and if the people seeking federal services are illegal alien, the service is denied. This would include, and not limited to, social security, student assistance, passports, assistance to buy homes, etc. Federal employees need to be trained in this new approach in doing business to ensure that business is conducted in a consistent manner for all people. Failure to conduct business in this manner must have accountability and consequences.
Please understand that by doing business in this manner is not a violation of our laws or founding principles. It does not focus on potential legal immigrants from any country or people of any color or religious grouping. The data collected on each of these processes could be used to assist all levels and document repeat offenders.
This country was founded by immigrants – legal immigrants. Legal immigrants are always welcome. Illegal aliens (commonly and inappropriately referred to as illegal immigrants) are not welcome. They are here in violation of United States laws; they have no rights and not right to receive services provided by our government (local, state or federal).
Please know I totally support you on this. It is good to know that we have such outstanding citizens in Prince William County. As things move forward, let me know how I can make the best use of my time to support this effort. Thank you for all you do. Together, we can do this – together we can do anything.
Greg:
The MSM serves a coupla purposes of the liberal agenda. First, it’s an intelligence gathering asset. You revealed to them your home, family, business, etc. Now the opposition knows that information. Conservative meda has no interest in finding that stuff out, because it’s not a lackey for the those who deal in character assasination and worse.
Next, the effort of MSM will be to discredit you personally and professionally. W/P already started that effort with the first paragraph of its “story.” Conservative media has no interest in doing that to you, consequently you have not yet hit its radar screen.
I would advise being very circumspect in dealing with MSM. Their job is to serve the interest of the Liberal agenda, not report news. The liberals right now are feeling warm piss run down their legs and into their tassled loafers. They’re scared to death of a real grass roots bus that’s warming up and they know that once you let the clutch out they might get run over. So their press is gearing up to destroy you.
Good luck, enjoy the beach. Watch out for sharks in and out of the H2O.
Greg, Enjoy your vacation and I am so proud to be a member of Help Save Manassas. YOU ROCK!
WF: I wholeheartedly agree. BTW, what about limiting “citizens” time to actual citizens. Can the sheriff clear people before they sign up to speak? Also, re outside advocacy groups (some pro-illegal people spoke at the BOCS who were from other counties or outside the Commonwealth) - Is it too much to expect that local citizens determine local policy?
Where do these immigration orginzations receive their money.for example [ Nancy Lyall time away from work] “La Raza”.” Mexico without Borders?”
As Chief Deane noted there will be unintended consequences to the cut off of county services, here’s another one: Illegals won’t be able to use the land fill so they’ll just dump tthe garbage and construction waste along the side of the road. This immigration thing has many issues like this that need to be well thought out. Unfortunately the BOCS rarely think anything out, just look for sound bites and what do I need to say to ensure reelection and sucking at the public trough.
“they’ll just dump tthe garbage and construction waste along the side of the road.”
That isn’t happening now?
Right, I think a lot of stupid legals do it alredy, so don’t waste any time on the “nits” BOCS should go for the jugular!
already
You’ve been tagged.
http://skepticalobservor.blogspot.com/2007/07/since-you-asked.html
From the land of Qz.
Greg, just found your site and have read a little on your efforts.
Good work! It is strange that people do not know what an illegal alien is! They sneak into your house, want to be fed, given service and treated as family. There is a front door. As a earlier comment noted…there are bad people out there….and as I told my brother while he was in Afghanistan, “Stay safe and keep your head down”.
Enjoy the beach and family.
Greg,
I echo the sentiments of Anonymous who encouraged you to truly enjoy your vacation. We all love reading your blog, but we can suffer through a few days without it.
Your family really needs you. We will survive, and everything will still be here when you get back.
Enjoy your time. Go love on your wife and kids.
Mark
Greg:
Be careful, the majority of the liberal press is owned by the conservative right. Both want to make money, regardless of what they “believe”. Don’t become their newest revenue stream.
You are on track, avoid labels, generalities or seeking “party” endorsement and you will suceed with a strong following of people identified simply as Americans.
This is not a partisan issue — you are blowing all sides away on this one becuase there are no sides. There is only what is right.
Well, now I finally know what you look like for sure. Explains a lot of your anti-gay positions…
You’d be hot if you weren’t so ugly on the inside.
I’m surprised you allowed them to publish a picture of your daughter, especially after all the concern and accusations about family risk thrown around last year. Aren’t you a little concerned about becoming such a public and now visible target??
PS: That picture of the two of you reminded me a lot of the ones Jeff Dion had of him and his kids. Hmmmmmm.
That’s pretty foul, Terry.
Be careful what you wish for Loudoun County! (and the rest of Northern Virginia) Before you know it the rich b—— will be raising their own kids and cleaning their own 5 bedroom 4 ½ bathroom homes! Who will do their weekly manicures and pedicures? Loudoun men, horror of horrors, you will be forced to give up your tee times to care for your lawns! We may all starve when the restaurant kitchen help gets booted back to Central America!
Delgaudio’s comments are very amusing. If Loudoun County (the wealthiest in the US) can’t afford services for illegals then who the hell can? The reason they are here is precisely because Loudon County (and Norhern Virginia) is so wealthy. Go to western PA or eastern Ohio or any other place in the “rust belt” and see how many illegal aliens are around. You can actually speak to Native Born Americans working at McDonalds there! They think foreigners are 2nd generation Italians and Polish!
Isn’t it ironic that the developer-owned politicians are suddenly brave enough to rid the county of illegal immigrants just when the housing market is depressed and all that cheap illegal construction labor is no longer needed (for now).
There is a price to be paid for our regional wealth and our indulgent lifestyles. Unfortunately, working class Americans pay a much higher price when their neighborhoods are destroyed and their wages are deflated. If the illegal immigrants are not forced to go home, then let’s pass luxury taxes on the rich and the developers to pay for the costs of all the cheap labor they benefit from.
Dee, everything will be just fine. Afterall, people are more than welcome to come back….LEGALLY.
Maybe one of you can help me out. My neighbor across the street has a lot of people living in his house. It’s him and his wife, and at least one adult kid, who lives there with his kids too. And then there’s another adult with kids who comes and goes. They have vehicles parked all over–two in the driveway, a couple more in the street, one old one packed into a garage that’s mostly filled with crap. All day long there’s kids running around all over the place making noise, and this guy hardly has time for yardwork. Place looks like crap.
Here’s my conundrum. He’s white. So is it OK to complain about him, or am I just supposed to care if it’s brown people who talk funny doing the same thing?
Onan, if he is breaking county ordinances…by all means report him!
Maybe he is illegal too!
Illegals come in all colors. The Australian that was recently deported was here illegally! He was and should have been deported. So quit making a race issue out of all this.
Patriot, I agree with you that illegals should return home and come back legally. However, you may have missed my point. This area demands cheap labor for the low-skilled work around here, and the reason we get this labor cheap is BECAUSE IT IS ILLEGAL!! The price will be paid one way or another. If low-skilled workers are here legally (whether they come from El Salvador or Arkansas) more will be paid for restaurant meals, lawn services, housecleaning and construction help. This is just an economic fact of life.
onan
If you are for real, you would call on the violations. I do not discriminate, I call on ALL Zoning and Property Code issues. Breaking the law is breaking the law!!!!
Greg L
Enjoy your vacation, it’s a must for you, and your family!!!
Dee, you are correct. The stirrup resolution will hopefully start cracking down on the benefits and businesses which draw illegals here.
I wonder how we ever made it without all of the services you say these illegals so graciously provide us with. The truth is that we were doing just fine before and will be fine once and if we ever reselve this crisis. I will take the hit on the lawn service and housecleaning. Just pay your taxes and follow the laws.
It will force businesses to quit “inflating” their profits and get back to reality and start paying livable wages.
Dee R said on 23 Jul 2007 at 2:33 pm: “The price will be paid one way or another.”
) and have to pay taxes for people that break the law and abuse OUR tax money. I don’t make enough to be totally secure,relaxed and it upsets me that @ one point in my life I COULD HAVE used and qualified for temporary benefits and chose NOT TOO! I would and DID everything in my power not too and it just irritates me to no end, when I see / hear about illegals abusing our system and in OUR SCHOOLS TOO? I REALLY don’t understand that one.
I do hear what you are saying and we are paying the price right now! I am mad as hell as I sit here at work (break of course
LEGAL, WORKING US CITIZENS PAY THE PRICE EVERYDAY
http://immigrationcounters.com/
Additionally, those that come here legally should demonstrate that they will put more into the system than they will take out. Therefore, people should be encouraged to get as much education in their homelands etc. prior to coming here so that they can do this. We should not become a “welfare” country.
I believe this is what Canada does.
To support my position read this: http://www.heritage.org/Research/Immigration/wm1523.cfm
Costs of low skilled immigration.
Hey Jim Young…YOU have been tagged too (http://www.tranzas.ne.jp/~uck503/)
Pundit-06…As one who cleans her own house and raises her own child (although I do enjoy the occasional restaurant meal), I agree with you. My point is that too many of us in NOVA are spoiled by our wealthy lifestyles and reliance on cheap illegal labor. I’m not sure that many among us are willing to “go back” to the way things were, and are caught up in the trappings of wealth.
Patriot…..I hope you are right about businesses starting to pay livable wages to legal workers. Most Amercians don’t expect to live 15 or 20 to a house and leave their families behind to work. With the price of housing hereabouts, that “living wage” will have to be much higher than businesses are used to paying to attract legal wokers.
ONE more thing, there are ALOT of AMERICANS licing beyond their means, trying to keep up with the next and IT IS TIME TO GET REAL!
*living
12 million to be deported…. this is Bushes plan
35 concentration camps( on closed military bases) to be constucted by march 2008.
Thats 300,000 folks per camp.
There they will exist while 15000 busses are purchased , each to to 20 rtrips to Mexico.
Meanwhile, and babies born in the camps are going to be excluded from the usa too.
This solves the problem,( Final solution???)
Dee, it would not be hard for them to pay a “livable wage”. Heck…I just saw houses that were $500K one month drop to $400K the next month. That should say something regarding the mark up. If the businesses want to stay in business, they will have to deflate their marked up prices and get back to reality. If they are unwilling to do this…I guess they will have to close their doors if they raise their prices and people don’t buy their products. I don’t consider myself an overconsumer by any means…therefore…it won’t have a big impact on me.
There are a hundred companies that produce “like” products. Therefore, supply and demand will control the prices of things.
One other thing to consider (for those that want Amnesty). If amnesty occurred, the “low wage” workers would become legal. Once that happened, they would demand “higer wages”. What would happen then? The companies would send them packing and try to recruit more “low wage” workers (who would most likely be illegals). This would result in a massive group of previously employed workers who are now on welfare, foodstamps, WIC, etc. Additionally, we would have an influx of even more illegal aliens. So how would this benefit anything….it wouldn’t. The best course of action is to shut businesses down that hire illegal aliens, send the current illegal aliens home, cut the benefits from illegal aliens (so that they will self deport). If people wish to come here legally, they can go through the proper process and enjoy the benefits of doing so (as a productive member of society…not a taker of benefits).
Patriot…I wished I believed in the capitalist free market as much as you do. The fact is, we are all expendable to the private sector if cheaper sources of labor can be found here or overseas for almost any of our jobs. That is capitalism at work without any government restraint on trade, labor and immigration law.
wow you guys really don’t understand this issue. you ask how we made it without the services the illegals provide, but the answer is that we never have. we have always had sources of cheap labor. the reason why the cheap labor is illegal now is that the laws don’t allow enough people to legally enter the country, the laws prevent people from being legally paid less than a minimum wage, and the demand for cheap labor is higher than ever.
and lafayette, give me a break, don’t hide behind strict adherence to the law. i’d bet a thousand dollars that you have gone over the speed limit before, but i doubt you turned yourself in to the cops for it. according to you though, breaking the law is breaking the law.
also, don’t even talk about how this country was founded by “legal” immigrants. when the first WHITE EUROPEAN people arrived here they were illegal aliens. they just had guns and more money than the BROWN legal residents. most of the “illegal aliens” from mexico probably have more native american blood in them than any of the people on here do.
“when the first WHITE EUROPEAN people arrived here they were illegal aliens”
The indians didn’t have any laws against that, so no they weren’t.
no no, we didn’t understand the indians’ languages…..so its pretty tough to say anything about the laws they did or didn’t have, cause the people who wrote history didn’t care
“With the price of housing hereabouts, that “living wage” will have to be much higher than businesses are used to paying to attract legal workers.”
Patriot is correct, Dee R…the hugely inflated price of housing is not necessarily a consequence of costs, but of hugely inflated profits. As someone who, after the death of our father, took their turn managing the masonry construction company he founded, I know something of what I speak. We had NO illegal aliens, the wages offered by the industry in Virginia rivaled Union wages without the dues, and our masons were craftsmen. When we had heated competition for a bid it was our profit margin that suffered, not the wages of the men on the jobs, both craftsmen and support crews. But that’s the thinking of small, family-owned business…provide a quality job for a fair price. Big companies don’t operate that way. It would be nice if they had to learn.
Is it not politically correct to say Patriot that you have already a massive group of African Americans going trough welfare?
I mean this is not new. Why are you complaining now?
I guess that Middle Class America is expendable too.
Lou Dobbs sells you that utopia that once you get rid of illegal aliens, things will get better. Dream while Dobbs enjoys his huge farm in NJ and eating tacos prepared by his Mexican wife.
The market doesn’t care about anybody and you didn’t get the skills the market demanded when it was time to do it.
Skilled labor doesn’t require any learning if an uneducated person from El Salvador takes your job. It is not that he/she is depressing the wages, the problem is that you never saw it coming. The”skills” I have are not that important anymore. People with access to the best education in the world (in theory) don’t get to learn anything to compete with China or India.
How many americans don’t even get real skills from a community college? You think you can compete in a globalized environment without real skills?
We need to do it better and start blaming people. Pointing fingers won’t change the reality of the already lost Middle Class America.
I don’t think we will loose this country because of balkanization. We will loose it because we have become as dumb as the Romans eating bread with lead. There is no creativity anymore. Whya are most of the people getting college degrees (PhDs)foreigners? Are they stealing those jobs too?
Patriot,
Part of the problem in Central American countries and Mexico is limited education. If you come from some of the rural areas, education is sketchy at best. The chance for education just is not an option for many.
As for putting more into society than you take out….how would you propose a potential legal immigrant do this? Do you mean in terms of contributions to society or monetary input into the various US tax systems? I simply don’t grasp how this demand could be demonstrated.
Dolph
Dolphin…go look at how Canada does it. One must demonstrate that they will not be a “burden” to the system (consume more benefits than they pay into the system). Look at the article I posted and you will see what I am talking about. Additionally, whether or not the education system is in shambles in other parts of the world must be addressed by the people and governments of those countries. They are sovereign are they not? Italian…our welfare system as a whole is not administered correctly. Anyone (regardless of their race…which you seem to be dwelling on) that is consistently on welfare and foodstamps should be removed from those benefits after a certain period of time. No one should be allowed to live off welfare and foodstamps for their entire lives. That just demonstrates that those people don’t want to be productive. Furthermore…Italian…you obviously don’t understand how skillsets are used to properly resource jobs now do you.
It does not matter what color they are, what race, or what religion if they are they are illegally they need to be deported!
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Immigration/wm1523.cfm
Here is the article again.
BL…you got it!
3rd Gen
I only spoke of Zoning and Property Code laws.
btw, I went from the age of 18 to 35 without a speeding ticket.
I do obey the laws.
Are you a 3rd Gen, illegal alien?
One note concerning Lou Dobbs….the liberals dislike Lou because he actually tells the truth. He even brings on the illegal alien supporters so that they can have their say (even though they cannot back their stuff up with facts). The truth hurts.
3rd Gen. You may have a point about the US always needing sources of cheap labor. When the legal immigration floodgates were open in earlier centuries, European immigrants from Italy, Ireland, Poland, Russia, etc. provided that cheap labor, and before that African slaves were forcibly brought here to perform those tasks..
Other than the criminal element of the mafia and Irish gangs, most of the European immigrants were law-abiding and made an effort to learn English and assimilate. They had too. Their weren’t as many social services to take advantage of, or ESL programs in public schools. The way many (but not all) recent uneducated immigrants from the Americas trash up the neighborhoods they live in with garbage and cars parked everywhere, and the gang warfare seems to really be what is pissing people off around here.
Maybe LaRaza and other of these pro-immigrant groups should spend their time with outreach programs to teach people how to speak English and behave in ways that our culture considers to be neighborly and civilized. Perhaps then the backlash against them would be greatly reduced.
Patriot,
I’m curious, is your block looking any different since July 10th?
Mine is looking less crowded. I know you like to keep our findings anonymous. Thought you might care to comment on this.
btw, I was glad to see you posted the “gumball immigration” youtube. I posted it sometime back on another thread. I think this is one of the best commentaries on immigration. All citizens should look at it. It’s worth all 9 minutes and 36 seconds. Thanks for posting it here. There’s a few on here that could learn a thing or two, if they took they time to watch it. I sent it to some PWCBOS, I think it enlightened them.
What NCLR should do is to help clean up problems south of the border. If the new wave want to stay loyal to their countries of origin (and not assimilate into the American melting pot culture)…they need to stay home and fix their own problems at home. However, if they want to become an American and assimilate into our melting pot culture…they are more than welcome to do so legally.
Lafayette, I have not really seen any major difference trash on the ground wise…however…I have seen quite a few for sale signs (possibly foreclosures?).
Lou Dobbs tells the truth? LOL. Whatever. Like his assertion of 7,000 leprosy cases over the past three years? A trivially disproved statistic. (It’s 7,000 over 30 years, and has little to do with immigrants.)
Dobbs is like Bill O’Reilly: overopinionated and grossly underinformed.
But by all means, you just go on believing whatever makes you happy. Close your eyes and jam your fists in your ears and pray real hard and maybe you can wish the bad brown people away.
William Fitzgibbon said….
“By the way, governments need to declare English as the official business language and stop printing forms/information in other languages. PWC employees need to be trained in this new approach in doing business to ensure that business is conducted in a consistent manner for all people. Failure to conduct business in this manner must have accountability and consequences.”
Not only that, William, PWC needs to stop paying a salary premium for new hires that are English/Spanish bilingual, stop paying tuition for current employees to learn Spanish, and stop the library truck that visits local Latino hang-outs and provides library materials with no “late charge” if materials are returned late…and I presume no charge if materials are not returned at all.
Lafayette, yes the video concerning the population boom is a must see (particularly for those that advocate open borders). There is a reason why we have limits on how many people come in legally.
Onan…you are mistaken. There are plenty of “health cases” (tb, leprosy, etc.) being reported around the country. Why don’t you do your research.
Onan…here is a good article on the health problems: http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=iic_immigrationissuecenters64bf
Where is your research?
Have the illegals and the people that support them thought what America would be without our existing laws, etc? It would not be the America that they want / have run too.
Patriot: I did my research. The peak year for leprosy cases was 1983 (456 cases). It’s fallen since then. It was 137 last year. Using “Dobbsian” logic, this implies that immigrants lower the rate.
Dobbs is wrong. And an idiot.
You need a new strawman to whack away at.
Onan…another one…you will not win this argument.http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003712055_tuberculosis18m.html
Please read.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003712055_tuberculosis18m.html
Link.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=43275
Onan…another story.
http://jscms.jrn.columbia.edu/cns/2005-03-15/whitford-americanleprosy/
Another one Onan…read the MD’s comments.
I’m so sick and tired of hearing all the “our founding fathers were illegal aliens” tripe. Last I checked, the first settlers were all dead and buried by the time the Declaration of Independence was signed so without getting into the historical events of how America became to be should we just eliminate all immigration policies and let anyone and everyone become an American???? Do you realize what a disaster that would be????
So why should we reward those who came here illegally with legal status? Why should we spit in the face of those who actually went through the LEGAL process? And most ominously, this is the precedent we set in the 80’s which we are now reaping the reward of. Amnesty again will lead to greater and greater illegal immigration in the future. I don’t want to pass along the effects of another mistake to my children. If people faught then what we’re fighting now we wouldn’t be in the predicament we’re in.
Mando said on 23 Jul 2007 at 2:39 pm,
“should we just eliminate all immigration policies and let anyone and everyone become an American???? Do you realize what a disaster that would be???”
THANK YOU! That is what I was trying to say above
Bottom line on the health issue. Illegal aliens = not screened medically for contagious diseases (that a lawful citizen would be potentially quarantined for). Period. That is a problem.
Mando…you are correct.
Patriot: LOL. That’s the best you can do? A news article that says 145 people in Seattle have TB? That’s a public health crisis? In 2003, King County had 7.5 motor vehicle deaths per 100,000 people. The population of King County is about 1.9 million. So there’s about the same number of people killed in motor vehicle accidents there as have TB. And only 2 of those TB cases were drug-resistant (like that white douchey lawyer from Colorado).
Hardly a public health crisis! Also note that the article doesn’t show transmission to the nonimmigrant population. (It doesn’t really discuss it). Basically you have the disease confined within the immigrant population.
This kind of scaremongering has been going on for ages. Fear the Other. They are disease-ridden.
There’s lot of arguments to be made against illegal immigrants. Why latch on to the retarded ones?
Onan…what did you not understand about my post above?
Bottom line on the health issue. Illegal aliens = not screened medically for contagious diseases (that a lawful citizen would be potentially quarantined for). Period. That is a problem.
Here it is again.
Patriot,
I’m still doing a couple of foreclosure title searches per day. I’d bet about half of the for sale signs are foreclosures. I don’t folks like to hear it, but it’s a FACT!
I saw about 10 Yard Sales signs still hanging off of street signs. Most, street signs, have the code on the back of the sign, that it’s illegal to post signs on the street sign. There used to be a 5day a week yard sale on Damscus, last year. Early this spring that place of business was foreclosed on. Are you surprised by that fact?
Onan…where are your statistics that show up to 30 million people haven’t brought anything contagious over. After all…that data would not exist. What we do know is what MDs are reporting from hospitals and that 3rd World countries have alot of disease that has not been eradicated. Your logic is ridiculous.
Lafayette, not surprised at all.
>where are your statistics that show up to 30 million people haven’t brought anything contagious over.
Uh….let’s see, where are my statistics. Hmmm…where could they be? Must be around here somewhere….Let me look….Oh, here they are:
IF 30 MILLION CONTAGIOUS PEOPLE SHOWED UP I THINK WE’D SEE A FREAKING CAVALCADE OF PESTILENCE AND ILLNESS!
The fact that we DON’T see statistically significant increases in leprosy for example, and the fact that all we have are anecdotal evidence of some guy (reported in WorldNetDaily, nonetheless!) who sees some foreigners with diseases, is what proves my argument.
It’s called “extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.” The idea that 30 million people are rife with infectious diseases is ludicrous. It’s up to you to prove that they do, not to me that they don’t. Are you really that dense, or are you just trolling?
Onan…I guess you know nothing about tb then? You don’t feel it…see it. Many people who have it may not even know they have it. Get a grip. Error on the side of caution and public safety. No screening = possible problems. Why do you suppose they screen people when they enter legally? Why?
Onan,
Sick people are here in PWC, with something. There’s a “free clinic” at the Health Dept.(next to the courthouse), on Thursdays, services are available at 6pm. Starting at 11am, folks start lining up for services that aren’t even available for up to 7 hours. Oh yes, they bring all their “anchor babies”, average 3per female. I bet there are some illegal aliens in that line. The line is there no matter what the weather is, snow, sleet, ice or 110degrees. How damn sick can you be if you’re able to stand out in the elements all those hours?
I only post facts, and what I have seen and more than likely have pictures of. Drive by some Thursday, if you don’t believe me. I bet others on this blog have seen the same thing!!!!!
Onan,
One more thing, there’s a lady in Westgate, that home-schools her daughter, and the doctor told her to have the child tested for TB, simply because of where they lived. Trust me, there are plenty of storm doors opened around here. I think most of us know what that means. Is your storm door open?
Leprosy is not an epidemic here in the US. Point taken. However, exotic diseases that were all but eliminated decades ago in the US are now popping up. That’s a cause for concern. This is one issue to be weighed with many that illegal immigration fascilitates.
Hey Greg, if you wind up doing Anderson Cooper’s show, can you see if you can get him to come out finally? I know for a fact that Perez Hilton, another notable blogger, would love, love, love to date him.
To quote the poet Naomi Shihab Nye:
Kindness
“Before you know what kindness really is
you must lose things,
feel the future dissolve in a moment
like salt in a weakened broth.
What you held in your hand,
what you counted and carefully saved,
all this must go so you know
how desolute the landscape can be
between the regions of kindness . . .”
May you never meet yourselves if these things happen to you.
Do you know how easy it is to become exposed to tb Onan? All one has to do is talk to someone that has it an they can become exposed (this was told to me by an MD). Therefore, if someone does not know they have it, yet go around town where there are loads of people, malls, schools, sit on busses, airplanes, etc. Think how many people can become exposed by just one person. Now…take the 30 million people that are undocumented (illegal) that have not been medically screened coming from areas with known tb problems (let alone all sorts of other problems) and we have some serious issues. Use your brain Onan.
UNCLE SLAM
I agree Mando. Let us not just concentrate on one item. There are many potential items. Tb is a real big deal due to how easy it is to get exposed.
@ Pickett’s charge
I would be the first person I would seek out if I found I was down on my luck and needed some kindness and charity. At the point where that kindness is exploited and taken advantage of I would have to rethink my relationship with my “down and out” self.
“Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish; and you have fed him for a lifetime”—Author unknown
We need to teach people to follow the law and to educate themselves so that they can be productive…not takers.
Illegal Aliens are killing more Americans every year than the Terrorist have killed in the last 10 years combined while Raping, Robbing and Assaulting 10,s of thousands of American Citizens and we are suppose to feel sorry for them. An Uneducated, Educating Hating, Welfare Loving, Criminally inclined Aliens that have a school drop out rate over 50 percent and that breed like Rabbits on Viagra to Populate the Gangs and Welfare rolls! With over 50,000 Illegal Aliens gang Members in LA County alone. They come here illegally, protest and demand their rights instead of Protesting and demanding their Rights in their own Countries. Apparently their rights include the right to turn this country into a Lawless Cesspool of Crime, Corruption, Drugs, Poverty, Cruelty, and Misery like they have built in Mexico and Latin American, just as long as it results in either Money or Votes for our Politicians!
Couldn’t it be that your perception of the goals of the conservative movement might be a little faulty, perhaps? Or is it just more convenient to avoid discussion about the so-called positive impacts of huge numbers of illegal aliens flooding our communities?
It is so much easier to brand me as a racist, or something similar. Saves all the trouble of having to actually argue the relative merits of different policy positions and their impacts, doesn’t it?
Howie, I suppose you are an MD then (because that information on how easy it is to get exposed was not from an article…it was an MD actually talking to me in person)? Did you follow up with each passenger on the airplane to check his/her status? What about the people overseas that he was around. Did you talk to each one of them too? That is AMAZING!
It’s easy to brand Republicans as racist because, in general, they are. You’d all be a lot happier if you just admit you hate blacks and latinos. We all know it’s true, why bother pretending?
You all know damn well if these were white, English speakers coming into the country, you wouldn’t have a single problem with them. But all we hear are, “Whine! They won’t assimilate into our culture! Oh noes! They don’t speak English!”
Quit speaking in code. When Reagan complained about “welfare queens” we all know what he meant (dark-skinned folks). And now, you use words like “multiple working families in the same dwelling” to mean Latinos. You adopt the odd Uncle Tom like Clarence Thomas, or Aunt Jemima like Condoleezza to shuck and jive and toe your party line, and you laugh and say, “See, we’re not racist,” and then behind the scenes you complain about That Element. Those people. Them. They’re coming into our schools. They don’t speak the way we do. They don’t worship like we do.
I’ll take a hundred Mexicans over one racist, white-trash, republican numbskull anyday.
“They’re super-religious, they pop out kids without thought of contraceptive or abortion, they work tiny wages and don’t mind being repressed, and they come from a country with no welfare, no social safety nets, no environmental regulations, no wage controls–everyone makes it on their own or dies.”
LOL! And you’re calling GregL racist! Sorry but I don’t hold the same steriotypical view as you. I see most of the Latinos I come in cantact with as hard working family orientated people. I don’t know if they’re legal or not. Frankly, I don’t care. All I do “noes” is that unrestricted immigration is a bad thing for us as a society. It’s unfortunate that some hard working individuals have to be deported due to not using legal channels for immigrating but the alternative isn’t sustainable.
What the hell, Patriot? Do you not read any news? Nobody on the plane tested positive? How stupid are you? Please tell me you don’t vote. Do you understand the difference between anecdotal evidence and science? How can you call yourself a patriot when you’re that culturally, intellectually, and scientifically illiterate.
“I’ll take a hundred Mexicans over one RACIST, white-trash, republican numbskull anyday.”
LOL! You did it again!
Just stop responding to this clown. He probably forgot to take his meds down in his room in his parents’ basement and happened upon this forum by accident. He’s already proven himself to be a stereotyping, bigoted racist. /ignore.
I’m the racist? And yet you’re the ones crying about Mexicans taking over. You people are funny. Please don’t breed.
Howie, you are ridiculous. You did not address my actual questions…typical of a liberal! Where is YOUR evidence? Additionally, I have plenty of “non-white” friends that would disagree with your position and are on our side of the argument. Why? Illegal is illegal! Your views promote chaos and lawlessness! Howie, why don’t you contact the “You Don’t Speak for Me” organization (they are LEGAL hispanics that are against illegal immigration). I support their views. Please report your findings! For some reason…I have a feeling you won’t do that! You sound like a typical college student that was fed the “socialist” line from his/her professor and left their brain at the door. Anyone of any color is welcome to come here provided they assimilate into the American melting pot culture and do it legally. What part of that do you not understand smarty pants?
Your comments are very racist. You don’t know me or anyone else here from Adam yet you assume we’re white trash. Last I checked, white trash is a very racist term and using that term while calling us racists is contradictory and kinda shoots your whole diatribe down. If you’re here to flame and troll - leave and do something more productive because most here will eventually just ignore you. Otherwise, maybe we can have some good debate.
Howie, just because people on the plane did not get it doesn’t mean others can’t. You are ridiculous!
Howie, here you go: http://www.dontspeakforme.org/
Please report back once you express your views to them!
Who’s the racist??????
Howie, you are an amazingly brainless knucklehead……boy, do I feel sorry for you. The only racists I’ve come across are the illegals, because it is very apparent they hate US citizens. They have no regard for the American culture and they certainly don’t even attempt to learn the English language. You would be the second type of racist, afraid to deal with the truth and throwing around the race card because you have nothing else to say and are not intelligent enough to discuss the facts.
You whip out YOUR wallet and pay for all of these illegals because I’m done. I bet you don’t even live around here.
God help us if you ever breed (hopefully, you haven’t)…..
Howie, since you are so educated (self-proclaimed anyway), why don’t you read this: http://migrationdebate.org/2007/02/13/hispanics-against-immigration/
Please contact Rosanna Pulido and see what she has to say about your view. Please report your findings!
Howie, should we get rid of our American melting pot concept? If so, why? What do you suppose the result would be? Unification or balkanization?
Melting pot doesn’t have to mean assimilation. There’s such a thing as diversity. Look at Canada, Switzerland, China, Japan. All function just fine with multiple languages and cultures in use. Having Mexicans move in next door to you is not the end of the world. Fifty years ago you’d be publicly decrying Negroes wanting to live in your neighborhood and marry your daughter. Same thing. They’re here whether you like it or not. It’s time to get used to it and accept it.
This howie clown is not educated and is most likely a pimple faced 300 pound 40 year old dufus who hasn’t seen the sun in a decade and is blogging from the packard bell 486 in his parents’ basement in suburban Rockville (land of the liberal). Any time someone like him jumps on and immediately starts with the racist accusations (all the while flinging a myriad of his own racist remarks) we just laugh at him and call him a silly troll. Go away you sad, little, silly troll.
And with a name like how(he) felt(her)(snatch)….nice try troll.
You haven’t been anywhere near a snatch in a lifetime and a half. Of this I can guarantee. Now beat it.
When I list the things I don’t want coming out of my wallet, it includes spending on an illegal, pointless, counterproductive war in Iraq; corporate welfare; foreign aid to countries that don’t need it.
The fact that Paco and Veronica get a few dollars in welfare now and then ain’t exactly weighing heavily on my soul. I’m more concerned about corporations not paying taxes than some lemon-picker earning $5/hour under the table.
And I live in Prince William. Nice suburban neighborhood. Got some Mexican immigrant families living in the neighborhood too. I don’t know if they’re legal or not (a lot don’t speak any English). They tend to be quiet, not let their kids run all over, keep their lawns neat. It’s the white people (and I myself am squarely in the rhythmless honkey category)–especially the NASCAR-watching, Bush-loving, country-music-loving rednecks–that are annoying. They give their kids those idiot pocket motorcycles, let them run around all hours, don’t keep their lawns up because they’re too busy making payments on their pollutionmobile SUVs.
“corporate welfare”
Just what do you suppose illegal aliens really are? Subsidized labor. Sounds like “corporate welfare” to me. Especially since the taxpayer gets to pick up the tab–the difference between what the illegal aliens cost and what their unscrupulous employers pay them.
Howie, please contact those people and get back to us with your answers. There is a reason for the melting pot. By the way, a melting pot does not mean that one cannot enjoy their heritage. What it does mean is that people are loyal to this country and its customs and the language of English (for public and government activity). Additionally, you said “now and then” for welfare…are you kidding me? The reports show that many low skilled individuals will take more via benefits during their lifetime than they put into our system.
About 90 percent of everyone who lives in this metro area makes their living by sucking the government tit in one way or another.
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Do you remember how empty I66 was back in 1996 when they had that government shutdown because they didn’t sign the new budget?
Keep doing what you are doing, nobody in the media seems to want to do the job. http://at-the-water-cooler.com/blog/
That’s funny, all the little mini motorcycle riders and out of control kids running around in my neighborhood are of the Hispanic variety. My neighbor and I are just about to get into it if he doesn’t keep his brats off my lawn. There are always 100 people coming and going in his house and the adults all have arms full of kids. I am always out there picking up their juice boxes and other assorted trash off my grass. Guess the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree…
Howie - If you are using Japan as an example of how cultures coexist happily, especially in regards to illegal immigration, you are sorely mistaken.
http://yaleglobal.yale.edu/display.article?id=7067
The most serious problem American Faces is not Terrorism but the Mass Invasion from Mexico. The Largest Invasion in World History is destroying our Schools, Medical Systems, Judicial System, and the Rule of Law, while Slaughtering, Raping & Robbing Americans by the 10,s of thousands. They are destroying our Social cohesion & turning us into a Cesspool of Crime, Corruption, Benefiting the Rich paid for by the poor & Middle Class! If this Amnesty is passed it will lead in time to Riots, Fires & Civil unrest on a scale greater than the 60,s and possibly Civil war!
Both Democratic and Republican administrations have ignored Article IV Section IV of our Constitution & our Laws that is supposed to protect this Country from Invasion! They have ignored our Constitution, Failed to enforce our Laws, and dishonored their Oath of Office
President Bush has not only ignored our Constitution & Laws he has Aided, Abided, Encouraged and Collaborated with a foreign government to Subvert our Constitution! To ignore our Constitution is grounds for Impeachment, to engage in Subverting our Constitution is Treason!
This Policy continues today even after the Wake-Up call of 9/11!
When you have Senators that are swore to Defend the Constitution & Uphold our Laws encourage Criminals to break them then you have Criminals for Politicians! When our Politicians that think our Constitution is just a damn piece of Paper & Laws are meant to be broken then we are headed down the Slippery Slope of Anarchy!
Illegal Aliens start by breaking the Law by Arriving Illegally using Forged Document and engaging in a wide range of Illegal Activities that would get an American Citizens Fined and in Jail.
If an American Citizen is caught driving without driver licenses or insurance they face heavy fines & possible lost of driving Privileges. Illegal Aliens on the other hand are usually released with no punishment! The same is true for identify thief and benefits using false SS cards & for a host of other Crimes that American Citizens would feel the full weight of the Law!
Our Politicians answer to these crimes is not to punish them, but to reward them!
Only someone that is Brain-dead would believe rewarding Criminals results in less Criminals or Crime!
People that start out by breaking the Laws & are Rewarded for doing so, have little respect or regard for any Laws & see this Nation and American Citizens as ripe for Plunder!
They take full advantage of every benefit they can get Legal or Illegally!
Illegal Aliens have an informal but highly effective net work to inform other Illegal Aliens where to get bogus documents & any new scams to get benefits illegally! Most Illegal Aliens works off the books & pays no taxes but still somehow gets an Earned Income tax credit ranging form 1500.00 to 3200.00 returned to them every year from American taxpayers!
Illegal Aliens arrive in this Country from Counties where rampant Crime and Corruption has been a way of life for Centuries, is it any wonder they bring those same Family Values across the Border with them and are busy creating the same type of environment in the USA!
They retain loyally to the Native Countries & Exploit the Compassion of Americans & the Corruption of our Politicians by using us & having nothing but contempt for a people & Nation that does not have the Political Will or Integrity in its Politicians to enforce our Laws & our Constitution against Invasion.
To put it bluntly & without being Politically Correct, Illegal Aliens & Many of our Politicians are Parasites & Criminals feasting on the backs of American Citizens!
Illegal Aliens seek not to build this Nation, but to use the fruits of Labor of Legal American Citizens that immigrated to this country legally & have in 230 years of Blood, Sweat, Tears, and Sacrifice built this Nation!
While the Illegal Invaders have built nothing but a Cesspool of Crime, Corruption, Poverty & Misery in their own Counties for the masses, but a Elite class of very Rich, and Corrupt for the few.
Could this be what many of our Politicians are hoping to Achieve here in the USA?
You hear our Politicians like Bush, Kennedy, Hillary, McCain, Reid, Spector, Brownback, and Martinez, that’s wants to give them Amnesty, only they are so dishonest they refuse to call it Amnesty! They talk about the Rule of Law & Amnesty in the same sentence. This is an Oxymoron of the first order!
We hear the same Politicians speaking of seeking Bipartisan support for a Comprehensive solution to Illegal Aliens which are code words for Amnesty without any means or intend to enforce the Laws or our Constitution & close our Borders, just like they did with the 1986 Amnesty!
They further obscure & confuse the issue with Political Spin & Lies by saying it is only 7 or 8 million when the best independent estimates of the Illegal population was 20 million years ago & we have 5 to 10 thousand more pouring across our borders every day since then.
They conveniently forget to inform American Citizens that each Illegal Alien granted citizenship has the option to bringing in 5 family members in a never ending chain, so at the very least we are talking about 60 million or so in the next 15 to 20 years, a more realistic number is probably 150 million or more.
This Nation will be inundated with 10,s of Millions of Prolific breeders. Citizens with an average of 6 grade education and a 50 percent school drop out rate to populate the gangs & welfare rolls.
This is the same thing that happens with the last Amnesty, only this time it is on a scale large enough to destroy this Nation and turn the USA into another Mexico!
What we really have is a club of Millionaires in the Senate & the Democrat party seeking to deceive American Citizens again & pass a Law to reward other Millionaires with an unlimited supply of 21 First Century slaves.
While they reward their selves with the votes from Latinos and money they receive from Corporations for destroying this Nation!
The intent is to exploit both the Illegal Aliens for their Cheap Labor and the Poor & Middle class American Citizens as victims of the Illegal Alien’s crime, deteriorating standard of living and the 100,s of billions in welfare costs!
While the users of the Illegal Aliens Labor laugh all the way to the bank with their obscene profits! They get richer while the rest sink into Poverty! In Bush’s term in office 5.4 million more American Citizens have slipped into poverty l & if they succeed in this Amnesty, American will become a Nation of Poverty with the Rich, Elite and Corrupt ruling and the rest is slaving for pennies like the Peons in Mexico!
If this Amnesty is passed is anything like the Senate version as currently written, it will result in harm to this Nation almost beyond ones imagination!
The last Amnesty resulted in the largest increase in Crime and Welfare of any bill ever passed & compared to this Amnesty it was minuscule.
Illegal Aliens as percentage of population & the ones given Citizenship by the last Amnesty contribute more too both Crime & Welfare, than any other group in the USA!
So you be the judge of what the results of next Amnesty will be & the harm it will do!
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The press is as guilty as the Politicians in trying to foster off this massive Amnesty bill on the American Public. They continue to refer to the Mass Invasion of Illegal Aliens as Immigrants which could not be further from the truth.
They fail to point out the harmful impact of the last Amnesty in 1986.
None report what the detrimental affects will be to our Population, Standard of living, Crime, Environment, Welfare or a host of other problems with the Senate bill!
Many Nations have tried to build a great Nation on the Back of Slaves, all have failed. If this were not so Mexico & other third world Nations would be rich instead of poor!
For anyone that has never lived in an third country & experienced the horrible conditions & do not understand what will happen to this Country if the Senate Amnesty is passed go visit the interior of Mexico, there you will see the future of this Nation!
We, as American Citizens owe & have the duty to prior generations that built this country at great personal sacrifice & to future generations, to rise up in protest from coast to coast and tell our Corrupt Politicians, No Not Again!
AMEN, BL, AMEN!
You said it all and you wrote it well!
Thank you!
Howie:
I am white trash. At least that’s what people used to call me and my friends when we were growing up in Fairfax County. And that’s what the Richmond preppies called me behind my back when I went through UVA. I guess it was living on Rt 1 or wearing a Led Zepplin tee shirt instead of a LaCoste alligator shirt that bothered them. Who knows? After I made my first $10M nobody seemed to think I was white trash anymore. Funny how that works.
Personally, I think all the noise about illegal immigration is overblown. Basically, I agree with most of your logic. However, my reasons are less emotional than yours. Here is what I think:
1. Northern Virginia presently has a very low unemployment rate. The illegals who are here are working and helping our economy.
2. When the local economy cools the illegals will leave. They provide a flexible workforce. This is good for the local economy.
3. While illegals may get paid too little by unscrupulous employers, they are economically better off than they were in their native countries. That’s why they can send money back home.
4. I have seen no evidence to indicate that illegal immigrants are any less law abiding then other people at the same socio-economic level. If this evidence exists I might change my mind on this issue.
5. The issue of language is real. The inability to learn English or assimilate (over time) into American culture will create a permanent underclass for those failing to assimilate. However, historically, many waves of immigration to the US involved people who did not speak English. The people already in the US (almost all of whom were decended from immigrants themselves) complained about the “strange” languages, “odd” habits, etc. Then the children of the immigrants learned English and assimilated and became the people who decried the next wave of immigration. Today, there is too much tolerance for languages other than English (especially Spanish). This supposedly liberal tolerance is, in fact, bad for the US and bad for the immigrants it is supposed to protect.
6. The immigrants may play loud salsa music. My kids play loud Red Hot Chilli Peppers. I play loud Led Zepplin. If loud music is the biggest problem that a group presents - it’s a pretty benign group.
Howie - your heart may be in the right place but your mind is a bit lost. De-evolving this debate to racism accomplishes nothing. Keeping the debate on an economic footing accomplishes much.
You all are too much.
I don’t feel sorry for Howie. He is a very gifted writer. I am green with envy and I wish I had his talent. Perhaps the pen IS mightier than the sword.
You know, I have never thought of the term ‘white trash’ as a racist expression. ‘Trash’ comes in all races. You can stick whatever color you want in front of it.
I sort of grew up with the term. You weren’t to act like ‘Poor White Trash.’ Big admonition for a kid. At worst it is a culturally elitist term. Granted, it isn’t polite. But I would have to disagree that it is racist. Perhaps there is just an angle I haven’t thought of regarding the term.
“Gifted writer”? You really need to start reading more often…
I agree that if the amnesty bill is pushed, that it will result in civil unrest the likes of which this country has not seen. The 60’s will pale in comparison. When Americans see 20+ million illegal aliens jumping for joy in the streets after they have pulled off the crime of the century and been given a free pass for it, there will be many, many angry Americans that will want justice. Don’t say I didn’t warn you. I am a bit of a Harry Seldonist for any of you Asimov Foundation buffs out there and the logic of an outcome for each specific action is clear.
White trash as pertaining to crime from everything I have been able to find Latinos rank # number of all ethic groups both in Crime, Welfare & School drop out rates.
INS/FBI Statistical Report on Undocumented Immigrants
2006 (First Quarter)
95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.
83% of warrants for murder in Phoenix are for illegal aliens.
86% of warrants for murder in Albuquerque are for illegal aliens.
75% of those on the most wanted list in Los Angeles, Phoenix and Albuquerque are illegal aliens.
24.9% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally
40.1% of all inmates in Arizona detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally
48.2% of all inmates in New Mexico detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally
29% (630,000) convicted illegal alien felons fill our state and federal prisons at a cost of $1.6 billion annually
53% plus of all investigated burglaries reported in California, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona and Texas are perpetrated by illegal aliens.
50% plus of all gang members in Los Angeles are illegal aliens from south of the border.
71% plus of all apprehended cars stolen in 2005 in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada and California were stolen by Illegal aliens or “transport coyotes”.
47% of cited/stopped drivers in California have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 47%, 92% are illegal aliens.
63% of cited/stopped drivers in Arizona have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 63%, 97% are illegal aliens
66% of cited/stopped drivers in New Mexico have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 66% 98% are illegal aliens.
BIRTH STATISTICS
380,000 plus “anchor babies” were born in the U.S. in 2005 to illegal alien parents, making 380,000 babies automatically U.S.citizens and, under our laws, entitled to invite the rest of their family to join them.
97.2% of all costs incurred from those births were paid by the American taxpayers.
66% plus of all births in California are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal whose births were paid for by taxpayers.
A recent study sheds a little more light on Illegal Aliens!
A recent study by the Pew Hispanic Center reveals the following:
(1) Hispanics are 3 times more likely than non-Hispanics to receive welfare
(2) Hispanics account for 3/4 of the increase in poverty in the USA
(3) 45% of Hispanic children are born out of wedlock
(4) Hispanic women are 2.54 times more likely to than white women to have abortions
(5) Hispanic men are 9 times more likely than white men to beat their partners
(6) Hispanics are 3 times more likely than whites to die of AIDS
(7) They are 4 times more likely to die of tuberculosis
( Hispanics are 2 times more likely to be incarcerated than non-Hispanics
(9) They are 3.8 times more likely to be in prison for murder than non-Hispanics
(10) Hispanic youth are 19 times more likely to be in gangs
(11) Hispanics are 3 times more likely than non-Hispanics to drop out of high school
(12) 55% of Mexican-Americans consider themselves to be Mexican first
How could such statistics be overlooked by the liberal media? Intentionally. They are inconvenient. They contradict the myth that liberals and neoconservatives wish to propagate: the “proposition nation.”
Since the liberal Enlightenment, liberals and (more recently) neoconservatives have championed the idea of a “proposition nation,” which is a radical break from Western Civilization. What is the proposition nation? It is an abstraction with no real place in culture, time or history. It is the view that by merely believing in a few abstractions (e.g. the American flag is good) one can achieve national identity. If Sanchez believes in X, Y, Z, then, By God, he can be a citizen too!
Prince William County is doing what the Congress and Bush Administration should be doing. Illegal immigration is a federal matter but the local governments must step in when necessary and pass laws for the public good. It has long been necessary for our government, whether local, state of federal, to take action and enforce our immigration laws. They should enforce the current laws before they try to change them. The Prince William resolution attempts to enforce our current laws. The reason why the current laws are racists and don’t work is that the government won’t enforce them equally to all illegal immigrants. If the Illegals ( ALL illegal immigrants) don’t obey the current laws, what makes us think they will obey any new ones?
This view is not racists. As a Vietnam Era U. S. Army veteran, I was willing to fight and die for the USA which is the best country the world has ever seen. The USA isn’t perfect but the freedoms we have, especially freedom of speech, is worth my dying for. The federal government (Feds) always enforce the laws against illegal immigrants like the Haitians and send them back to Hattie where they belong. Even if they reach the shores of the US and their government is denying them political freedoms like in Cuba, the Feds round them up and send them back. When the Haitian boat people tried to invade the USA, Clinton asked no questions and took no prisoners. He not only sent them back but had Colin Powel invade Hattie to keep them there. No questions asked.
YET the Bush Administration and current Democratic Congress gives the Hispanics a pass. Why? Could it be because the Republicans favor American businesses and want to exploit them as a cheap labor work force and the Democrats expect them to vote democratic if they grant them amnesty and make them citizens?
The solution is simple. If the Bush Administration would lock ALL Illegals up, the Illegals would go back home on their own. One night in jail on the first time caught. Let them out and give them 30 days to leave the country. One week in jail the second time, a month the third time, two months, three, four, ya-da, ya-da, ya-da, etc. Nobody wants to stay in jail. Like Chicken George said in the movie Roots, “Don’t nothing beat freedom. Nothing!” The Illegals would gladly go back to their own country the same way they got here.
Here’s another simple Federal action. All the Feds have to do is to lock up the employers of illegal aliens as well under the same plan starting with just one night. This would cut off the money flow and the motivation for coming to the USA. If they can’t get jobs there is no reason to come to America. Lockup their landlords if they don’t check their immigration status. The banks must not let them send money back to their country unless they can prove they are here legally. Lock up the Feds in the Social Security Administration who accept multiple payments on social security numbers without sending a notice to the employers that they are being defrauded.
And most of all, stop the racists enforcement of our immigration laws. Treat all Illegals like Haitians. Why doesn’t anybody want to make the racist enforcement of immigration laws the real issue. We all know why it is the way it is. That’s just the way America is about enforcement of laws and that point must not be ignored. It ain’t fair and the problem ain’t gonna be fixed unless all Illegals are treated like the Haitian boat people and not like the Cubans or Vietnamese boat people. Vietnam was our alley in war and we left them high and dry. We owe the people who support us asylum in any country we invade. Since the Bush administration isn’t going to invade Mexico to keep them there, the least they should do is to send them back.
If they meet the requirements, the Feds could invite the Illegals of military age to join the military and earn their citizenship. I volunteered after I finished college and proudly served our country during the Vietnam War era. It made a better man out of me and is a fair path to citizenship for any Illegal man or woman.
Here’s a point to ponder: One estimate is that the average Illegal pays $10,000 in taxes and get $30,000 in benefits. With the Baby Boomers retiring, our Social Security, Medicade and Medicare programs are in serious trouble financially and we can’t afford to make 20 million illegal immigrants citizens. The only solution is for them to go back and return legally or earn their citizenship by joining the military and fighting terrorism. Freedom just isn’t free.
Another point: Who profits from this disparity of the application of immigration laws? American businesses give American jobs away to Illegals and make more profit while they send even more jobs overseas. Who did the jobs the illegal immigrants did before the Feds stopped enforcing the laws? Americans did it for a fair minimum wage after the American labor movement in the 1920s and 30s.
If the American businesses stop paying their CEOs millions of dollars a year plus millions in bonuses and return to paying the American workers a fair wage, they could find people to do the jobs the Illegals do. The Washington Post stated that in the 1970s the average CEO made 40 times the average worker of his corporation. Now, the average CEO makes 500 times the average worker. They send jobs overseas and pay Illegals below minimum wage to make those countless millions while cutting health care and job security for American workers.
Who suffers? The American middle class do by paying higher taxes for welfare, education and health insurance for Illegals who just make CEOs rich.
The point is simple and the American people must support their local politicians and encourage them to do exactly what Prince William County is trying to do. All Illegals MUST go back to their country or serve in the military in this time of need and earn their citizenship or wait their turn to immigrate legally in order to solve this problem. SEND THEM ALL BACK - JUST LIKE THE HAITIANS. God Bless America!
Freddie Fishbuster from Fort Washington, MD
“That’s funny, all the little mini motorcycle riders and out of control kids running around in my neighborhood are of the Hispanic variety.”
They are white here… and I am not in Blooms. Ugly takes many colors around here in MP.
I just learned about your site from the newspaper article.
I’m an anti-illegal immigration activist in Los Angeles, otherwise known as Aztlan to the Reconquistas. I post lots of videos on the invasion at my site.
I’m sure glad there are more groups forming across the country.
Hey Park’d,
Do you think BVBL might be the Mule?
How about if the Feds pull out of the border they keep promising to protect, and the border state governments run that job. Maybe the fences would get built and the agents would be allowed to do their jobs.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/471258,CST-NWS-WAUK17.article
Now we must keep this momentum.
Good article on attrition: http://www.alipac.us/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2098&mode=thread&order=1&thold=0
Happy reading!
Interesting read: http://www.newswithviews.com/Wooldridge/frosty278.htm
Happy reading!
I fear there will be no mule in this scenario. A mule is badly needed to veer us off the course that we are currently on. Tancredo is the only person that comes close to being a mule but his chances of ever winning an election are slim to none. We are screwed.
Tancredo is actually doing quite well in the Iowa straw poll activities. More and more people are getting to know who he is. We must continue to educate everyone about him. It will take a grassroots candidate like Tancredo to get things back on track. http://www.teamtancredo.com/
Plenty of good information at the link above.
This is why we need Tancredo (someone who doesn’t pander to the NCLR): http://washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070723/NATION/107230063/1001
Go Tancredo!
This is how powerful the NCLR is: http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070722/NATION/107220053/1001
Happy Reading!
http://secureourborderstoday.com/whoisvoting.pdf
How our elections could be impacted!
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56725
Our ERs!
WHAT IS NEW HAVEN DOING?
Screwing things up - leave it to the liberals in CT!
Patriot:
I have read the web sites you have posted. Interesting. However, I’d ask you to look over the following wen site:
http://tigger.uic.edu/~rjensen/no-irish.htm
It is an interesting site overall. Here is a section that I find quite interesting:
“We must first ask if the 19th century American environment contained enough fear or hatred of the Irish community to support the existence of the NINA sentiment? Did the Irish-American community constitute an “Other” that was reviled and discriminated against? Did more modern Americans recoil in disgust at the premodern Irish immigrants? The evidence suggests that all the criticism of the Irish was connected to one of three factors, their “premodern” behavior, their Catholicism, and their political relationship to the ideals of republicanism. If the Irish had enemies they never tried to restrict the flow of Irish immigration. 6 Much louder was the complaint that the Irish were responsible for public disorder and poverty, and above all the fears that the Irish were undermining republicanism. These fears indeed stimulated efforts to insert long delays into the citizenship process, as attempted by the Federalists in 1798 and the Know Nothings in the 1850s. Those efforts failed. As proof of their citizenship the Irish largely supported the Civil War in its critical first year. 7 Furthermore they took the lead in the 1860s in bringing into citizenship thousands of new immigrants even before the technicalities of residence requirements had been met. 8 The Irish claimed to be better republicans than the Yankees because they had fled into exile from aristocratic oppression and because they hated the British so much. 9
The use of systematic violence to achieve Irish communal goals might be considered a “premodern” trait; it angered many people and three bloody episodes proved it would not work in conflict with American republicanism. In 1863 the Irish rioted against the draft in New York City; Lincoln moved in combat troops who used cannon to regain control of the streets and resume the draft. In 1871 the Irish Catholics demanded the Protestant Irish not be allowed an Orange parade in New York City, but the Democratic governor sent five armed regiments of state militia to support the 700 city police protecting the one hundred marchers. The Catholics attacked anyway, and were shot down by the hundreds. In the 1860s and 1870s the Molly Maguires used midnight assassination squads to terrorize the anthracite mining camps in Pennsylvania. The railroad brought in Pinkertons to infiltrate the Mollys, twenty of whom were hung. In every instance Irish Catholics law enforcement officials played a major role in upholding the modern forms of republicanism that emphasized constitutional political processes rather than clandestine courts or mob action. In each instance the Irish leaders of the Catholic Church supported modern republicanism. 10 After the [End Page 406] 1870s the Irish achieved a modern voice through legitimate means, especially through politics and law enforcement. Further enhancing their status as full citizens making a valuable contribution to the community, the Catholics built monumental churches (which were immediately and widely praised), as well as a massive network of schools, colleges, hospitals, orphanages and other charitable institutions.”.
Didn’t the discussion of Irish immigrants in the 1800s sound a lot like the discussion of Hispanic immigrants now? And … does anybody really think that the US would be better off today without the Irish immigrants of the 1800s?
I am looking into the statistics regarding criminal behavior by illegal aliens. Those stats (as reported on this site) are pretty freightening.
Finally, I sometimes think that the Hispanic immigrants (legal and illegal) made one big mistake - they settled in the suburbs rather than the cities. I am guessing that the Hispanics in Prince William County (and Fairfax County) are the only really poor people that the people in those counties know. I honestly think that the economic disparity is causing the culture shock more than anything specific to the immigrants’ Hispanic backgrounds. Growing up relatively poor in relatively rich Fairfax County was eye opening for me. Fortunately for me, I have light skin, brown hair and blue eyes. So, I could buy a suit, try to iron out most of the southern accent and avoid words like “ain’t”. Then, I could “pass” for something other than poor white trash. I feel genuinely sorry for those living in Northern Virginia who will always be seen as “illegal” or “criminal” or “bad for America” based on their physical appearance or Spanish accent.
From one of Patriot’s xenophobic articles “…they methodically take over American neighborhoods and create their own enclaves filled with more of their own.”
In a country where property is, you know, *owned* with deeds and stuff, how exactly are they “taking over”? You don’t like people of other ethnicities living next to you, so you make the decision to move away. That’s not “taking over”; it’s “I can’t stand the Others.” We’ve heard this junk before:
In the mid-1800s: “Those negroes are creating their own enclaves and daring to mix with white folks.”
In the late 1800s on the West Coast: “Those Celestials [Chinese] are leaving the mining camps and creating their own enclaves in our cities! What will become of us?”
In the late 1800s on the East Coast: “Those damned Micks/Eyeties/Pollocks/Squareheads are moving in to our neighborhoods and taking them over.”
Then in the mid-1900s you get the negro thing again when those silly black folks think they should be allowed to vote and have other basic human rights. Imagine!
In the late 1900s it was: “The gays! The gays are moving in! They want to make all our kids gay too! The horror!”
This is just more racist, xenophobic BS. It’s a lot easier to distract all you dimwits with the bread and circuses of immigration–to yell “Booga booga! The spics are coming and soon you’ll all be worshipping Che Guevara and eating tacos and speaking Spanish and driving cars with dingle-balls in the back window and then gang members will climb in your windows and RAPE YOU AND GIVE YOU LEPROSY HAHAHAHA!!!” and you all eat that stuff up, and meanwhile completely ignore the fact that your government is curtailing your rights, monitoring you, seizing your property, sending your kids off to die pointlessly in a pointless war, ruining your environment, wasting resources, fixing elections, racing headlong toward disaster and ruin, but you go right ahead and get all worked up that the family next to you is browner and talks funny. But god forbid you should actu