Comments on: Help Save Manassas Thursday

By: John Pederson

John Pederson — Sun, 12 Aug 2007 04:57:20 +0000

Cherokee#1 For that statement, our ancestors are rolling in their graves…

By: Cherokee#1

Cherokee#1 — Sat, 11 Aug 2007 00:03:48 +0000

thank you AWCheney, I may be young but I at least have some common sense. And Pederson, why are you dwindling in the past. That was a long time ago, this is now.

By: pm

pm — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 12:02:57 +0000

Another way to way to help curb illegal aliens from invading PWC is to enforce the law which will fine employers who knowingly hire illegal aliens. For our part as consumers we should expect to pay more so employers can hire only American citizens helping them pay their workers a higher wage than what an illegal will work for. Assuming of course we’re not counted as part of statistics of having a credit card debt of $7k per household in America, excluding mortgage debt. Then, it shouldn’t be a problem to pay a little more, right? Before you disagree consider this, with the numerous home foreclosures in PWC we will be paying less home property taxes due to a drop in home values in PWC, as an added consequence of driving the illegal aliens out of PWC, the county will be spending less in services being drained only by illegal aliens. This should be another incentive for the county to lessen our taxes giving us a little more dough to pay for whatever costs the employers pass on. But, if your just like me finding the American dream is getting a little harder to attain leaving you angry, frustrated, overwhelmed. It is much easier to take it all out on the Illegal aliens, after all they are the law breakers deserving our self righteous indignation! It does feel great knowing I’m part of a group of folks who have a monopoly of HIGH MORAL VALUES!

By: John Pederson

John Pederson — Tue, 07 Aug 2007 04:50:10 +0000

Yet another assumption!?

By: AWCheney

AWCheney — Mon, 06 Aug 2007 08:31:58 +0000

Reading comprehension, Mr. Pederson…as I said, “young Cherokee #1 has a great deal more credibility in that area than either you or me.”

By: John Pederson

John Pederson — Mon, 06 Aug 2007 06:29:08 +0000

Aw: History is not an assumption, it is based on facts. Facts are the evidence. The first sentence from your last response is an assumption.

By: AWCheney

AWCheney — Mon, 06 Aug 2007 06:14:35 +0000

Correction: denIgrates

By: AWCheney

AWCheney — Mon, 06 Aug 2007 06:12:11 +0000

I believe that you will find, Mr. Pederson, that the majority of both Native Americans and Blacks would find it denegrates the tragedies of their history to have them used as an excuse to allow what is happening today with the illegal alien occupation. I have countered you point by point and you are unable to argue with anything but assumptions for which you can offer no evidence. I would say that young Cherokee #1 has a great deal more credibility in that area than either you or me. And when it comes to the issue of immigration itself, I have it all over you. You see, Mr. Pederson…I am an immigrant, now a Naturalized Citizen. I suspect your roots are far more removed from the issue.

By: John Pederson

John Pederson — Mon, 06 Aug 2007 02:07:49 +0000

Cherokee#1: Yes and there are “Native Lines” in my family… but why would that make any difference. Anyone who doesn’t recognize what historically happened to the “Original Americans” who lived here is clearly denying what happened. I know AW is considering the time frame as point of reference during the early colonies but the move west ward continued with broken truce after truce and that was well after 1776. They were a “Nation” formed by then. Nothing was sacred, everything was destroyed! All society, culture, faith and very few legislators really care enough about their plight.

The other part deals with the fact that many of the women of those tribes were raped, their villages were robbed and burned down! As a group the comparison of finding some bad apples among these new immigrants is like finding them also among the rest of our own society. That isn’t an excuse to add only more to the problem but that isn’t also a true depiction of defining them either. Both cannot be compared in the same breath, because the new ones are looking for work not going into towns as an army raping women, stealing inside everyones home or burning them down the way a crazed arsonist would… If you are a true brother then you would understand more than anyone else.

By: AWCheney

AWCheney — Sun, 05 Aug 2007 20:50:16 +0000

That’s right Mr. Pederson…we have quite enough home-grown problems to deal with. Do you really believe that it’s prudent to continue to allow the unimpeded flow of people who multiply our problems beyond our resources to cope with them?

By: Cherokee#1

Cherokee#1 — Sun, 05 Aug 2007 19:55:14 +0000

Pederson, are you Native American?

By: John Pederson

John Pederson — Sun, 05 Aug 2007 06:42:11 +0000

…and our prisons aren’t overflooded with criminals of naturalized origin? Thousands upon thousands of them. A person could equally draw the same inference from the hardened criminals born and raised inside our own country; legal citizens who are members of the klu klux klan, the american nazi party, the skinheads and any white supremacist flag waving hate group that pops up….criminals are criminals, doesn’t matter whether they are from Crawford, Texas or Tiajuana, Mexico!

Enter the names of any of the above mentioned in Google and plenty of websites will pop up.

By: AWCheney

AWCheney — Sun, 05 Aug 2007 00:41:31 +0000

“Well, atleast there is no one trying to burn, rape or pilage anyone.”

Well then, if you believe that, perhaps you should check out this:

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.html

…and this…

http://www.ice.gov/doclib/pi/investigations/wanted/mostwanted.pdf

…and this…

http://www.ice.gov/pi/investigations/wanted/fugitives.htm

…and this…

http://www.city-journal.org/html/14_1_the_illegal_alien.html

…and this…

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/DouglasMacKinnon/2007/08/01/illegal_aliens_declare_war_on_the_united_states

There are thousands of entries like this, and you say that “at least there is no one trying to burn, rape or pillage anyone?” Perhaps, Mr. Pederson, you should pray that you or your loved ones never come face to face with the reality.

By: John Pederson

John Pederson — Sat, 04 Aug 2007 23:47:05 +0000

…Well, atleast there is no one trying to burn, rape or pilage anyone. They come here to work and in many cases toward achieving citizenship. If you lived in a country that was depressed, had no economy would you:

a) stay and starve

b) organize a coup

c) write a letter to your corrupt government - or -

d) pack up and leave to find a better life

I think we all know the answer and why it is happening.

By: AWCheney

AWCheney — Sat, 04 Aug 2007 22:51:45 +0000

My point exactly…most countries try to enforce their laws.

By: John Pederson

John Pederson — Sat, 04 Aug 2007 13:43:37 +0000

AW: It was an Indian Nation before it was anything else. Pick areas of desert in the southwest and you’ve got your wilderness with plenty of open borders…

By: AWCheney

AWCheney — Sat, 04 Aug 2007 07:55:04 +0000

Well, if you want to live in a wilderness with open borders Pederson, I suggest you look around the world and try to find a country that still exists like that. Even those that are not nearly as densely populated as ours do not have “open borders.” There is also the fact that those of you who address the issue from the perspective of the 17th Century forget that this wasn’t even a nation then…just a collection of colonies. If history is the best evidence you can offer of the value of your perspective, perhaps you should try living in the 21st century and see if you can find more viable facts to support it.

By: John Pederson

John Pederson — Sat, 04 Aug 2007 05:33:26 +0000

AWRootbeer , Cheney… whatever! Since you and others like to split hairs so much over defining who is right over who is wrong and who is legal from who is not; take a good look back from our illustrious history. The fact is the earliest settlers arrived by ship from Europe took over territory that wasn’t theirs, it did belong to the real “Native Americans”. No one invited the early Europeans to move in and there was no such thing as immigration. They didn’t even have an accurate way to keep track of where people moved to, since many strayed off into the wilderness. By your own definition, then everyone must be Illegal. Don’t even try to say that fair and equitable agreements were made to all the Indian Nations, because all terms were forced upon them and written in favor for the newcomers. Just look at the disparity in area from what they were once as Great Nations to the disgrace they live by on todays reservations. Go ahead and criticize this newest group of people and label them Illegal, but history and the facts that stare us in the face obviously point otherwise. History isn’t delusional…it is just those that prefer to ignore obvious ramifications.

By: AWCheney

AWCheney — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 20:00:34 +0000

“AWRootbeer: You answered the question correctly. Anyone who came into this country originally never had anyones permission to do so. In fact, the early white settlers burned, raped and pilaged the Native Americans ILLEGALLY took what they wanted and justified it by calling them savages. We are white, we are right!”

Who the devil are you addressing Pederson, and to which comment are you addressing it? If this is something out of your imagination, that would be slightly delusional.

By: Bob Sentz

Bob Sentz — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 14:16:33 +0000

Proud Latina
Americans are the biggest LEGAL immigrant group in mexico. mexico is a beautiful country.