What do you do with the rest ? That’s easy. Deport them. Yesterday. Adios. Farewell. Go home. And when you get there, tell your nation she wants you.

Anyone here illegally is a bad apple and the only US goverment service they should expect is deportation. Illegal aliens are criminal thieves. No matter what else they do … murder, rape, , scuba, birth babies, blog, walk on water or turn water into wine … they should be sent home. This nation is not a public park.

Build the border fence. Call in the Marines. Cut off tax funded services . Overturn Plyler v Doe. Let businesses that depend on illegal labor fold if need be. Hire an American.

As for Rubin Navarette, the best I can do is to offer my condolences. The man is a basket case of contradictions. A quixotic tool who does nothing better than alert us to subversive anti-American and pro-Mexican apologist antics.

Claims that congress “chickened out”… because congress did not have the courage to betray the will of the citizenry! Congress attempted an end run around the citizenry by trying to declare crime legal!
Immigration law is already written and “reform” was simply code for “abolish the current immigration laws before someone SANE enforces them!”

Blames America …while at the same time castigating Americans who are attempting to take back their country!

Blames Hazleton for providing jobs to illegals … but will cry racism and discriminaton if Hazelton turns them away! Not to mention that Navarrete will never mention the numerous laws broken by illegals. That identity theft as well as counterfiet document manufacture, sales and use create strife for employers who are tied by labor laws.

Nor will he ever mention the role Mexico plays. Its culpability is enormous. Nor will he mention the Millions of Mexicans who abondoned their homeland. Let them protest, march, riot and do all the rest of their demading at home.

Nor will he ever mention US Constitution Article 4 Section 4:

“The United States Shall Guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government and Shall Protect each of them against invasion.”

Nor will he ever mention the blatent twisting and wilfull misinturpratation of the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment.

The 14th was never intended to provide equality for individuals, or classes ( The claim made in order to prohibit government entities from discriminating between citizens and non-citizens.)

What the 14th did was provide “the equal APPLICATION of the law”, that laws applyto everyone, no one is exempt and everyone has due proccess under the law.

In other words, under our current albeit unapplied immigration laws: Illegal aliens are subject to deportation at any time and their very presence violates federal law.

Hazleton has the right to bring their concerns to the Supreme Court.

Things are bound to get mighty interesting. And I say it’s about time.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/07/31/navarrette/index.html

We don’t pretend that whites are perfect. Far from it. Nor do we hold onto the false notion that all non-whites are bad.

Nor do we buy the frantic propaganda that every alien that crosses our border is a hard working, law abiding, family oriented salt-of-the earth saint. The cat, as the saying goes, is well out of the bag on that scam.

When it comes to consequences for actions, accountability and justice for all; those who get angry and offended at the “injustice”of racial/ethnic profiling are just as fond of promoting the notion that racial/ethnic profiling is a rock solid virtue -just so long as the agenda remains one of accommodation, protectionism and pardons.

They do not want equality under the law. They want exeptions made, excuses made and amnesties granted. In fact, they want to be judged by the color of their skin, and NOT the content of their character. They want their racial/ethnic/cultural/country of origin profile to provide a pass granting them the right to act with impunity. They want whites profiled as having no rights, needs, liberties or justice … only obligations. How’s that for racism … to assume that we should be parenting other adults.

We are sick of reading about those who bring chaos and pain. Of having to compete with illegal aliens for the attention, time and resources of our police, courts, public schools, healthcare facilities and elected officials.

Please read the article link below and ask yourself; what the heck was this guys excuse for being on our soil? Was this his idea of “Seeking the American Dream”, of “Social Justice”, of “Doing the jobs that Americans won’t do”?

What excused him, time and time again, from being removed and if the race or ethnicity of his victims would be, in any way, shape or form, relevant to the outcome of his case.

http://www.charlotte.com/171/story/218076.html

Different people want the prison system to do different things to/for criminals: punish, rehabilitate, educate, etc.

I want prisons to remove those who are dangerous from society to protect the rest of us.

I don’t know the answer. I would like to see some unbiased statistics, if any are kept, on the return of violent criminals that we deport. If our current prisons are too overcrowded and our deportation efforts do not work, what options are left?

HOWEVER, the illegals who shouldn’t be here in the first place and fall into those categories, can be removed from this country immediately and sent back to their own country pronto. I don’t even want them to do their time here, just more money out of my pocket. Make the home country pay to come here and get them, jail them, whatever they want to do with them … as long as they GO!

The open borders lobby has plenty of blood on their hands. In the culture wars, the victims of illegal aliens are too often considered nothing more than collateral damage. Warning flares have been sent up for years by good folks from the great state of California.

I do hope BornHere has some free time to read through the following links:

http://www.predatoryaliens.com/

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/index.html

http://www.americanpatrol.com/REFERENCE/FamilyValuesLink.html

http://www.outragedpatriots.com/

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1873155/posts

http://www.immigrationinsanity.com/web/indepth.12

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55976

If the federal government does not do the job we are paying it to do, then we do not owe them taxes, any more than we owe a shoddy workman money for a poor job fixing our drains or cleaning our pool.

If the government continues to put the “rights” of foreigners ahead of the rights of the citizenry that supports the government with their taxes, then a tax revolt is definitely indicated.

ANY crime committed by an illegal is 100 percent avoidable and would not have happened if our government enforced our immigration laws. Even a single murder or rape is too much if it is done by an illegal — because it did not have to happen.

It is all about taking what they want.

When they seized control of California after the passing of Proposition 187, they claimed it was unconstitutional. Then they had someone park it on their desk to keep it from moving up through the courts.

We have been dictated to ever since.

I wish you all luck with your attempt to restore law and order. Be ready to act. You’ve seen recent history unfold before you. We have no excuse like that we forgot!

“Mr. Barletta, the Hazleton mayor, has championed the city’s ordinances because he said illegal immigrants had unleashed a crime wave in Hazleton and had overburdened health and other public services.

At the nine-day trial in March, A.C.L.U. lawyers worked as hard to debunk those claims as they did to undercut the city’s legal arguments. They showed that 4 of 428 violent crimes in Hazleton in the last six years could be attributed to illegal immigrants.”

I only paste this because I remember reading, in another forum, not this one, charges that the Manassas Courthouse was overflowing with rapists, murderers, etc. and that this was a direct result of the illegal population. I remember thinking wow, Manassas, who would have thought. And then marveling again when the Post released regional crime statistics the other day that, well, ouch, seemed to contradict that impression of Manassas as the new 1930s Chicago. Rape, murder, etc can happen anywhere of course and are a tragedy everywhere, but people in this debate appear to swing wantonly from roosters to rape in the blink of an eye, and it’s not for alliteration purposes.

This question is intended for Layfayette, but I would like to answer it too.

We have lived thru so many changes in our hometown and welcome it.

We are very caring people with morals and respect.

It comes down to WE WILL NOT TOLERATE ANYONE who enters our country ILLEGALLY.
IT IS A SLAP IN THE FACE of the people who have gone thru the process of being here LEGALLY.

THERE IS NO GRAY AREA.

I agree with you and Redawn.
I happen to be a neighbor of Redawn and a lifelong resident too. What you are both trying to say, is called HOMEPRIDE. We have choosen to stay here and are proud to live where we live.

There are alot of us life long residents that have and are staying because we are proud of where we grew up and TH is wrong in saying that it is beacuse of bad choices that we are still here.

There are alot of people ( friends and family ) that HAVE MOVED BECAUSE OF WHAT IS GOING ON IN OUR HOME TOWN.
GUESS WHAT? THEY CAN RUN AND NOT HIDE, BECAUSE IT IS HAPPENING ALL OVER AMERICA. I have even heard that from the people that have moved. I have even heard from friends that have moved away and come back to visit family and friends and ASK IN HORROR, WHAT IS GOING?

SO WE WILL STAY AND BE PROUD. WE WILL VOTE AND BE HEARD.

I am also a PROUD member of HELP SAVE MANASSAS, thanks to Redawn.
She has been a good advocator in spreading the word.

Thank you Layfayette, for your fine efforts too.

She keeps me informed and I see it with my own observations.

Actually, it isn’t a particularly important distinction legally. The decision by the Supreme Court that the 14th Amendment is applicable to “people who reside” in this country (including illegal or undocumented immigrants) has nothing to do with whether the case was about education, housing or employment. In fact, I really do hope everyone does read the case because I think you’ll find that this exact question is supported by a long long history of case law that sets precedent on the issue at hand, Plyler v. Doe states the following:

“Appellants argue at the outset that undocumented aliens, because of their immigration status, are not “persons within the jurisdiction” of the State of Texas, and that they therefore have no right to the equal protection of Texas law. We reject this argument. Whatever his status under the immigration laws, an alien is surely a “person” in any ordinary sense of that term. Aliens, even aliens whose presence in this country is unlawful, have long been recognized as “persons” guaranteed due process of law by the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments. Shaughnessv v. Mezei, 345 U.S. 206, 212 (1953); Wong Wing v. United States, 163 U.S. 228, 238 (1896); Yick Wo v. Hopkins, 118 U.S. 356, 369 (1886). Indeed, we have clearly held that the Fifth Amendment protects aliens whose presence in this country is unlawful from invidious discrimination by the Federal Government. Mathews v. Diaz, 426 U.S. 67, 77 (1976). [n9] [p211] ”

Manexico Resident: I think you misunderstand my particular objection to the term “illegal alien.” Your response seems to indicate that you think my objection was to the use of the word “alien,” when in fact my objection was the the word “illegal.” Under the law, undocumented and illegal are not the same, and we should be careful not to confuse the two. “undocumented immigrant” is not a more PC way of saying “illegal alien,” they are in fact, not the same thing. It would be correct to say that “illegal immigrant” and “illegal alien” are the same thing. And it is also true that “illegal immigrant” is a much more PC version of “illegal alien” that some of us choose to use instead. You can of course say whatever you want, but I do think it’s important to keep in mind that “illegal” and “undocumented” are not the same thing. One can enter this country under very auspicious circumstances, not having any documents or legal right to be here, and yet never be found to be “illegal” but rather “undocumented.’ Cubans, for example, often fall into this category.