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	<title>Comments on: MS-13 And Immigration Policy</title>
	<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/07/27/ms-13-and-immigration-policy/</link>
	<description>Blog-Fu for Prince William, Manassas and Manassas Park politics.</description>
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		<title>By: Moore4SaferUS</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/07/27/ms-13-and-immigration-policy/#comment-19740</link>
		<dc:creator>Moore4SaferUS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 19:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/07/27/ms-13-and-immigration-policy/#comment-19740</guid>
		<description>Dolph,
It is US Policy to deport convicted criminals (that are illegal aliens) to their country of origin AFTER they serve their prison term.  So, we're still paying to house and feed them.  I am a little confused though because I found instances where illegals were sent back before they ever went to trial, much less served time.  I am trying to get to the bottom of it.

Some may call me liberal, but I'm closer to the center.  I do not like the far left and certainly not the Extreme right.  I am mostly liberal in my views, but this topic is an exception.  This administration (or the previous) should have tackled this issue long ago.  Each day, the problem grows (literally).
I'd really like someone to explain to me how New Haven, CT is getting away with issuing I.D. cards to illegal immigrants.  Why aren't they slapping the cuffs on them when they approach the counter to apply for the I.D.?
I must not understand the definition of 'illegal immigrant'---hmmm the first word seems clear enough.   I feel bad for the people in NewHaven, ahem the legal citizens.  
Truly, I don't see how this is Legal- can anyone clear it  up for me?

The bottom line is we need to enforce and enhance our laws.  Give police the right to question citizenship. Get someone in the White House with the kohonas to do something about it, instead of wanting to throw up a white flag-   "Amnesty, get your amnesty here."  W stands for WUSS

doh I didn't mean to open a can of worms- please disregard my last comment on the W</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dolph,<br />
It is US Policy to deport convicted criminals (that are illegal aliens) to their country of origin AFTER they serve their prison term.  So, we&#8217;re still paying to house and feed them.  I am a little confused though because I found instances where illegals were sent back before they ever went to trial, much less served time.  I am trying to get to the bottom of it.</p>
<p>Some may call me liberal, but I&#8217;m closer to the center.  I do not like the far left and certainly not the Extreme right.  I am mostly liberal in my views, but this topic is an exception.  This administration (or the previous) should have tackled this issue long ago.  Each day, the problem grows (literally).<br />
I&#8217;d really like someone to explain to me how New Haven, CT is getting away with issuing I.D. cards to illegal immigrants.  Why aren&#8217;t they slapping the cuffs on them when they approach the counter to apply for the I.D.?<br />
I must not understand the definition of &#8216;illegal immigrant&#8217;&#8212;hmmm the first word seems clear enough.   I feel bad for the people in NewHaven, ahem the legal citizens.<br />
Truly, I don&#8217;t see how this is Legal- can anyone clear it  up for me?</p>
<p>The bottom line is we need to enforce and enhance our laws.  Give police the right to question citizenship. Get someone in the White House with the kohonas to do something about it, instead of wanting to throw up a white flag-   &#8220;Amnesty, get your amnesty here.&#8221;  W stands for WUSS</p>
<p>doh I didn&#8217;t mean to open a can of worms- please disregard my last comment on the W</p>
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		<title>By: Moore4SaferUS</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/07/27/ms-13-and-immigration-policy/#comment-19653</link>
		<dc:creator>Moore4SaferUS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/07/27/ms-13-and-immigration-policy/#comment-19653</guid>
		<description>The fact is there is a LARGE concentration of MS13 in Northern Virginia.  Prince William county leads the way in numbers, with Fairfax close behind.
Manassas is #1 in PWC as far as membership - this is directly connected to the number of illegals.  Not saying all illegals are MS, but most MSers are illegal.
What we need are tougher laws and sentencing for the gang bangers, with deportation inclued as a guarantee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact is there is a LARGE concentration of MS13 in Northern Virginia.  Prince William county leads the way in numbers, with Fairfax close behind.<br />
Manassas is #1 in PWC as far as membership - this is directly connected to the number of illegals.  Not saying all illegals are MS, but most MSers are illegal.<br />
What we need are tougher laws and sentencing for the gang bangers, with deportation inclued as a guarantee.</p>
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		<title>By: Dolph</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/07/27/ms-13-and-immigration-policy/#comment-17797</link>
		<dc:creator>Dolph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 02:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/07/27/ms-13-and-immigration-policy/#comment-17797</guid>
		<description>Any non-citizen who is convicted of a violent act should be deported when they are released from prison.  We have enough of our own thugs to contend with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any non-citizen who is convicted of a violent act should be deported when they are released from prison.  We have enough of our own thugs to contend with.</p>
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		<title>By: Dolph</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/07/27/ms-13-and-immigration-policy/#comment-17796</link>
		<dc:creator>Dolph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 02:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/07/27/ms-13-and-immigration-policy/#comment-17796</guid>
		<description>We are not alone.  The United Kingdom has horrible immigration problems.  Assylum seems to be one of their biggest issues.  

A friend sent me the following url several years ago.  It isn't heavy reading.  

http://www.hsite.co.uk/edy/docs/asylum.swf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are not alone.  The United Kingdom has horrible immigration problems.  Assylum seems to be one of their biggest issues.  </p>
<p>A friend sent me the following url several years ago.  It isn&#8217;t heavy reading.  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.hsite.co.uk/edy/docs/asylum.swf" rel="nofollow">http://www.hsite.co.uk/edy/docs/asylum.swf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Good Time Charlie</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/07/27/ms-13-and-immigration-policy/#comment-17791</link>
		<dc:creator>Good Time Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 01:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/07/27/ms-13-and-immigration-policy/#comment-17791</guid>
		<description>What does a liberal say when they have lost a debate related to social policy and integration?

Answer: You are a racist.

I love to watch minority citizens &#38; legal hispanic residents argue with liberals against illegal immigration. 

It isn't easy being a white guy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What does a liberal say when they have lost a debate related to social policy and integration?</p>
<p>Answer: You are a racist.</p>
<p>I love to watch minority citizens &amp; legal hispanic residents argue with liberals against illegal immigration. </p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t easy being a white guy.</p>
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		<title>By: TH</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/07/27/ms-13-and-immigration-policy/#comment-17772</link>
		<dc:creator>TH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 23:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/07/27/ms-13-and-immigration-policy/#comment-17772</guid>
		<description>Mano Negra doesn't exist in El Salvador anymore. The only people killing MS-13 in El Salvador or Honduras is the Mara 18. They are killing among each other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mano Negra doesn&#8217;t exist in El Salvador anymore. The only people killing MS-13 in El Salvador or Honduras is the Mara 18. They are killing among each other.</p>
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		<title>By: Liz</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/07/27/ms-13-and-immigration-policy/#comment-17766</link>
		<dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 23:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/07/27/ms-13-and-immigration-policy/#comment-17766</guid>
		<description>Hi,

I would like to tell all the federales who have become best friends of the illegal immigrants that in their country of origin, members of MS 13 are hunted down by a posse that goes by the name of Mano Nigra (the black hand).  When these fellows are repatriated, their biggest fear is to be found by these people, who are usually law enforcement members or ex law enforcement trying to get rid of the most violent, useless band of criminals ever to cross the earth.  These vigilantes prawl the streets at night to find and hunt down these criminals.  Their aim is not to rehabilitate, not to incarcerate, but only to eliminate.   

I would like to know why we should be hospitable to these criminals when their own people want to get rid of them.  I think that extradition is the only policy for gang members.  They represent the biggest, most expensive challenge to our society.   Sending them to prison, however only results in more members being created through their recruitment within  the prison walls.    They must be isolated and then extradited.  I am for reinstitution of penal colonies.  Nothing wrong with isolating people who want to destroy the fabric of our society.

The punishment for belonging to gangs should be commensurate to the danger they pose.  By all means isolate them, incarcerate  them and extradite them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>I would like to tell all the federales who have become best friends of the illegal immigrants that in their country of origin, members of MS 13 are hunted down by a posse that goes by the name of Mano Nigra (the black hand).  When these fellows are repatriated, their biggest fear is to be found by these people, who are usually law enforcement members or ex law enforcement trying to get rid of the most violent, useless band of criminals ever to cross the earth.  These vigilantes prawl the streets at night to find and hunt down these criminals.  Their aim is not to rehabilitate, not to incarcerate, but only to eliminate.   </p>
<p>I would like to know why we should be hospitable to these criminals when their own people want to get rid of them.  I think that extradition is the only policy for gang members.  They represent the biggest, most expensive challenge to our society.   Sending them to prison, however only results in more members being created through their recruitment within  the prison walls.    They must be isolated and then extradited.  I am for reinstitution of penal colonies.  Nothing wrong with isolating people who want to destroy the fabric of our society.</p>
<p>The punishment for belonging to gangs should be commensurate to the danger they pose.  By all means isolate them, incarcerate  them and extradite them.</p>
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		<title>By: TH</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/07/27/ms-13-and-immigration-policy/#comment-17765</link>
		<dc:creator>TH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 23:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/07/27/ms-13-and-immigration-policy/#comment-17765</guid>
		<description>"Although it might seem at first preferable to have every illegal alien removed from our community tomorrow, the execution of that plan would likely not be humane and would probably result in some shocks to the local economy"
Greg L,
 I thought I had to comment on your post because I don't hear people saying anything about it.
Why do you think sending all the illegal aliens back to their countries affect the conomy? I don't hear that from other people int his blog. It seems that most people think that everything will be fine. You are the leader in this group and it would be great to hear your opinion (maybe another post has clarified this issue already).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Although it might seem at first preferable to have every illegal alien removed from our community tomorrow, the execution of that plan would likely not be humane and would probably result in some shocks to the local economy&#8221;<br />
Greg L,<br />
 I thought I had to comment on your post because I don&#8217;t hear people saying anything about it.<br />
Why do you think sending all the illegal aliens back to their countries affect the conomy? I don&#8217;t hear that from other people int his blog. It seems that most people think that everything will be fine. You are the leader in this group and it would be great to hear your opinion (maybe another post has clarified this issue already).</p>
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		<title>By: park'd</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/07/27/ms-13-and-immigration-policy/#comment-17764</link>
		<dc:creator>park'd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 23:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/07/27/ms-13-and-immigration-policy/#comment-17764</guid>
		<description>I went out this weekend myself and shot off 100 rounds or so through my 9mm at our family farm in WVa. Amazing how bad my aim has gotten...

It's been a while since I've been out there and I forgot how nice it is to go to a town where there aren't 10000000000 illegals (that one is for you bornhere since I know how much you love it when I refer to them as a noun) cramming the roads and stores. Then I had to drive back here and get back to real life. I feel like the lady on the commercial: Calgon man take me away....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went out this weekend myself and shot off 100 rounds or so through my 9mm at our family farm in WVa. Amazing how bad my aim has gotten&#8230;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s been a while since I&#8217;ve been out there and I forgot how nice it is to go to a town where there aren&#8217;t 10000000000 illegals (that one is for you bornhere since I know how much you love it when I refer to them as a noun) cramming the roads and stores. Then I had to drive back here and get back to real life. I feel like the lady on the commercial: Calgon man take me away&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Advocator</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/07/27/ms-13-and-immigration-policy/#comment-17755</link>
		<dc:creator>Advocator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 20:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/07/27/ms-13-and-immigration-policy/#comment-17755</guid>
		<description>Mary:

Our politicians, not us, have let them in for their own selfish reasons (see my post above to Greg).  As always, it's we, the people, who suffer for our leaders' sins.  Those who have allowed it, starting with Jorge Bush, already have their names knitted into a list of infamy. 

Greg:  

I too have known, participated in, and equally loathe the horror of war and combat close and personal.   But I would rather risk participation in that horror again, even though my sight isn't as keen, my reflexes aren't as quick, and my muscles aren't quite as taut, than surrender this country to an alien invasion.   I will continue to participate in the political process, but I am using this rainy afternoon to clean and oil my guns.  I highly recommend readiness.  It gives much-needed substance to the otherwise spicy and watery stew known as rhetoric.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary:</p>
<p>Our politicians, not us, have let them in for their own selfish reasons (see my post above to Greg).  As always, it&#8217;s we, the people, who suffer for our leaders&#8217; sins.  Those who have allowed it, starting with Jorge Bush, already have their names knitted into a list of infamy. </p>
<p>Greg:  </p>
<p>I too have known, participated in, and equally loathe the horror of war and combat close and personal.   But I would rather risk participation in that horror again, even though my sight isn&#8217;t as keen, my reflexes aren&#8217;t as quick, and my muscles aren&#8217;t quite as taut, than surrender this country to an alien invasion.   I will continue to participate in the political process, but I am using this rainy afternoon to clean and oil my guns.  I highly recommend readiness.  It gives much-needed substance to the otherwise spicy and watery stew known as rhetoric.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/07/27/ms-13-and-immigration-policy/#comment-17754</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 19:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/07/27/ms-13-and-immigration-policy/#comment-17754</guid>
		<description>ChicanaFeliz: I worked in a maximum security prison with many gang members including MS 13, so spare me the "you don't know what you are talking about" line.  I personally could not care less the personal problems of these scum bags or what leads them to be in a gang.  If their family members are not aware of what their own kids are doing then the problem lies there, not with the "bad white people who are oppressing them".  Clowns like you continue to pull the race card, it has nothing to do with race but everything to do with the fact that these people are not here legally, are committing crimes against our citizens and have been linked with helping Al Qaeda terrorist sleeper cells come into the country. We are a country of laws, when that system breaks down as it is starting to do now chaos results.  I've personally dealt with more than one white alien who was deported after committing a crime, so don't talk like you are the only one who knows a damn thing and act like the rest of us are ignorant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ChicanaFeliz: I worked in a maximum security prison with many gang members including MS 13, so spare me the &#8220;you don&#8217;t know what you are talking about&#8221; line.  I personally could not care less the personal problems of these scum bags or what leads them to be in a gang.  If their family members are not aware of what their own kids are doing then the problem lies there, not with the &#8220;bad white people who are oppressing them&#8221;.  Clowns like you continue to pull the race card, it has nothing to do with race but everything to do with the fact that these people are not here legally, are committing crimes against our citizens and have been linked with helping Al Qaeda terrorist sleeper cells come into the country. We are a country of laws, when that system breaks down as it is starting to do now chaos results.  I&#8217;ve personally dealt with more than one white alien who was deported after committing a crime, so don&#8217;t talk like you are the only one who knows a damn thing and act like the rest of us are ignorant.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/07/27/ms-13-and-immigration-policy/#comment-17746</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 17:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/07/27/ms-13-and-immigration-policy/#comment-17746</guid>
		<description>&lt;em&gt;Many gang members are not undocumented. &lt;/em&gt;

I/2 of the gang members in LA are illegal aliens. LA could literally cut its gang problem in half if it deported them, but it is a "sanctuary" city so there's nothing the police can do about it. "Sanctuary" cities are magnets for gang criminals. All "Sanctuary" cities and the one "sanctuary" county in California are severely infested with gangs. 

Instead the "mayor" of LA prefers to beg Washington for 1 billion dollars in taxpayer funds to "fight gangs." 

We let 'em in, then we pay through the nose to "fight" them.

Makes a lot of sense doesn't it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Many gang members are not undocumented. </em></p>
<p>I/2 of the gang members in LA are illegal aliens. LA could literally cut its gang problem in half if it deported them, but it is a &#8220;sanctuary&#8221; city so there&#8217;s nothing the police can do about it. &#8220;Sanctuary&#8221; cities are magnets for gang criminals. All &#8220;Sanctuary&#8221; cities and the one &#8220;sanctuary&#8221; county in California are severely infested with gangs. </p>
<p>Instead the &#8220;mayor&#8221; of LA prefers to beg Washington for 1 billion dollars in taxpayer funds to &#8220;fight gangs.&#8221; </p>
<p>We let &#8216;em in, then we pay through the nose to &#8220;fight&#8221; them.</p>
<p>Makes a lot of sense doesn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: Dolph</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/07/27/ms-13-and-immigration-policy/#comment-17744</link>
		<dc:creator>Dolph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 16:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/07/27/ms-13-and-immigration-policy/#comment-17744</guid>
		<description>Mara Salvatrucha is MS-13.  Many gang members are not undocumented.  

All parents need to become aware of the local gang activities in their communities, regardless of their ethnicity.  It is a safety issue if nothing else. 

Don't knock community resources here in Virginia.  We aren't quite as savvy as Californians about such matters.  Parents can do more to curtail gang activity than any other single source.  A well-armed parent is an educated parent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mara Salvatrucha is MS-13.  Many gang members are not undocumented.  </p>
<p>All parents need to become aware of the local gang activities in their communities, regardless of their ethnicity.  It is a safety issue if nothing else. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t knock community resources here in Virginia.  We aren&#8217;t quite as savvy as Californians about such matters.  Parents can do more to curtail gang activity than any other single source.  A well-armed parent is an educated parent.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/07/27/ms-13-and-immigration-policy/#comment-17743</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 15:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/07/27/ms-13-and-immigration-policy/#comment-17743</guid>
		<description>If anyone's interested, here is a report on how the Mexican drug cartels are taking over whole SoCal towns, getting their corrupt puppets on city councils, etc.:

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2007/7/prweb541672.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If anyone&#8217;s interested, here is a report on how the Mexican drug cartels are taking over whole SoCal towns, getting their corrupt puppets on city councils, etc.:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.prweb.com/releases/2007/7/prweb541672.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.prweb.com/releases/2007/7/prweb541672.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/07/27/ms-13-and-immigration-policy/#comment-17742</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 15:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/07/27/ms-13-and-immigration-policy/#comment-17742</guid>
		<description>&lt;em&gt;I am from California and the Mara Salvatrucha, not MS-13 is basically a very violent gang and functions much like any other normal cholos in Los Angeles. Think of them as teenage kids who do not consider themselves to be American, feel the rejection from White Americans who are self-entitled to this land and treat the Mara as people that do not belong to this country.&lt;/em&gt;

Oh please, it's gotta be whitey's fault no matter what? That excuse isn't even worthy of the pixel space you used up to write it. As for the mara-13, if they're here illegally, then they DON'T belong in this country. End of story. 

&lt;em&gt;If you really want to get rid of gangs you need to educate, NOT THE KIDS, but the parents what is a gang member. What are the “signs to notice” if your kid is in a gang. You’re not going to get rid of gang culture by throwing them in jail. &lt;/em&gt;

Best thing to do about gangs is to stop them from coming in the first place, by sealing the border and enforcing our immigration laws. As for "gnag education programs," we are not interested. We native-born Californians already pay through the nose at it is for all the "free" things we provide to illegals and anchor babies. 

&lt;em&gt;You really want to solve the immigration issue, bust the white men picking up the undocumented workers not the worker. With no jobs the workers would go home.&lt;/em&gt;

Good idea. The Minutemen in SoCal show up at day labor sites and actually try to stop the people who hire illegals (not all of them are white -- a good number are brown). But the pro-illegals try to stop the Minutemen from doing this so I would question how serious the pro-illegals are in going after employers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I am from California and the Mara Salvatrucha, not MS-13 is basically a very violent gang and functions much like any other normal cholos in Los Angeles. Think of them as teenage kids who do not consider themselves to be American, feel the rejection from White Americans who are self-entitled to this land and treat the Mara as people that do not belong to this country.</em></p>
<p>Oh please, it&#8217;s gotta be whitey&#8217;s fault no matter what? That excuse isn&#8217;t even worthy of the pixel space you used up to write it. As for the mara-13, if they&#8217;re here illegally, then they DON&#8217;T belong in this country. End of story. </p>
<p><em>If you really want to get rid of gangs you need to educate, NOT THE KIDS, but the parents what is a gang member. What are the “signs to notice” if your kid is in a gang. You’re not going to get rid of gang culture by throwing them in jail. </em></p>
<p>Best thing to do about gangs is to stop them from coming in the first place, by sealing the border and enforcing our immigration laws. As for &#8220;gnag education programs,&#8221; we are not interested. We native-born Californians already pay through the nose at it is for all the &#8220;free&#8221; things we provide to illegals and anchor babies. </p>
<p><em>You really want to solve the immigration issue, bust the white men picking up the undocumented workers not the worker. With no jobs the workers would go home.</em></p>
<p>Good idea. The Minutemen in SoCal show up at day labor sites and actually try to stop the people who hire illegals (not all of them are white &#8212; a good number are brown). But the pro-illegals try to stop the Minutemen from doing this so I would question how serious the pro-illegals are in going after employers.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/07/27/ms-13-and-immigration-policy/#comment-17740</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 15:20:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/07/27/ms-13-and-immigration-policy/#comment-17740</guid>
		<description>Legal 2:

Someone immature is impersonating me. I did not make the last few posts entitled 'Mary'.

I appeal to the moderator to remove those posts that are not mine. You can tell which are which by the email address supplied. 

Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Legal 2:</p>
<p>Someone immature is impersonating me. I did not make the last few posts entitled &#8216;Mary&#8217;.</p>
<p>I appeal to the moderator to remove those posts that are not mine. You can tell which are which by the email address supplied. </p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: ChicanaFeliz</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/07/27/ms-13-and-immigration-policy/#comment-17739</link>
		<dc:creator>ChicanaFeliz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 15:18:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/07/27/ms-13-and-immigration-policy/#comment-17739</guid>
		<description>I am from California and the Mara Salvatrucha, not MS-13 is basically a very violent gang and functions much like any other normal cholos in Los Angeles.  Think of them as teenage kids who do not consider themselves to be American, feel the rejection from White Americans who are self-entitled to this land and treat the Mara as people that do not belong to this country.  Now, when I say la mara, I mean gang.  Another thing is that you guys are dumb, in order to eradicate gangs you have to get inside the head of gang members and understand why they feel rejected.  All gang members are just suffering an identity crisis.  In order to stop gang members from assaulting people #1 you have to stop fearing them enough and knock on their door and meet the families.  Meet the mothers, fathers, uncles and grandmothers that don't even have a clue that their child could be a gang member. I know that back in LA some of my mexican aunts or uncles were so Mexican by culture that they didn't even realize that their kids were using guns or buying clothes that was part of cholo culture. If you really want to get rid of gangs you need to educate, NOT THE KIDS, but the parents what is a gang member. What are the "signs to notice" if your kid is in a gang.  You're not going to get rid of gang culture by throwing them in jail.  That's where they get trained by the real MS-13 and makes them stronger.  The gangs are controlled by people in Jail.  I can tell that Virginian's are new to gangs, and don't know how to eradicate them by all of your stupid ignorant comments on this blog.  You guys seriously have no idea what you're dealing with.  You use the word illegal as a blanket statement and don't even realize or know that the "status" of immigration will always be different for everyone.  Not every latino you see on the street is illegal, most of all, I know that not every white person on a NYC subway is American.  How do we know if the white people among us here are canadians. Did you know that over 50% of illegal aliens in the US are not of latino descent?  They are these Graduate and Undergraduate international students that come in here with a traveling or student visa and allow them to expire. They stay here and get married to an american college girl of whatever color and race just to get the blue passport.  So when you look @ a mexican or a member of the Mara Salvatrucha, you're only looking @ half of the problem. Why don't you racists look @ the illegal alien white people also, so called, draining the economy. Oh and #1 illegal aliens don't tend to collect on their taxes because they think that submitting paperwork to the IRS will get them busted by the INS (DHS).  So actually, every undocumented worker ( i don't use the word illegal) pays Social Security or else their employer would get busted.
You really want to solve the immigration issue, bust the white men picking up the undocumented workers not the worker.  With no jobs the workers would go home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am from California and the Mara Salvatrucha, not MS-13 is basically a very violent gang and functions much like any other normal cholos in Los Angeles.  Think of them as teenage kids who do not consider themselves to be American, feel the rejection from White Americans who are self-entitled to this land and treat the Mara as people that do not belong to this country.  Now, when I say la mara, I mean gang.  Another thing is that you guys are dumb, in order to eradicate gangs you have to get inside the head of gang members and understand why they feel rejected.  All gang members are just suffering an identity crisis.  In order to stop gang members from assaulting people #1 you have to stop fearing them enough and knock on their door and meet the families.  Meet the mothers, fathers, uncles and grandmothers that don&#8217;t even have a clue that their child could be a gang member. I know that back in LA some of my mexican aunts or uncles were so Mexican by culture that they didn&#8217;t even realize that their kids were using guns or buying clothes that was part of cholo culture. If you really want to get rid of gangs you need to educate, NOT THE KIDS, but the parents what is a gang member. What are the &#8220;signs to notice&#8221; if your kid is in a gang.  You&#8217;re not going to get rid of gang culture by throwing them in jail.  That&#8217;s where they get trained by the real MS-13 and makes them stronger.  The gangs are controlled by people in Jail.  I can tell that Virginian&#8217;s are new to gangs, and don&#8217;t know how to eradicate them by all of your stupid ignorant comments on this blog.  You guys seriously have no idea what you&#8217;re dealing with.  You use the word illegal as a blanket statement and don&#8217;t even realize or know that the &#8220;status&#8221; of immigration will always be different for everyone.  Not every latino you see on the street is illegal, most of all, I know that not every white person on a NYC subway is American.  How do we know if the white people among us here are canadians. Did you know that over 50% of illegal aliens in the US are not of latino descent?  They are these Graduate and Undergraduate international students that come in here with a traveling or student visa and allow them to expire. They stay here and get married to an american college girl of whatever color and race just to get the blue passport.  So when you look @ a mexican or a member of the Mara Salvatrucha, you&#8217;re only looking @ half of the problem. Why don&#8217;t you racists look @ the illegal alien white people also, so called, draining the economy. Oh and #1 illegal aliens don&#8217;t tend to collect on their taxes because they think that submitting paperwork to the IRS will get them busted by the INS (DHS).  So actually, every undocumented worker ( i don&#8217;t use the word illegal) pays Social Security or else their employer would get busted.<br />
You really want to solve the immigration issue, bust the white men picking up the undocumented workers not the worker.  With no jobs the workers would go home.</p>
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		<title>By: manassascityresident</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/07/27/ms-13-and-immigration-policy/#comment-17738</link>
		<dc:creator>manassascityresident</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 14:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/07/27/ms-13-and-immigration-policy/#comment-17738</guid>
		<description>Thanks, Legal2 - 
I recommend everyone watch these videos, and send them to all you know.  WAKE UP AMERICANS!!!!!!!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Legal2 -<br />
I recommend everyone watch these videos, and send them to all you know.  WAKE UP AMERICANS!!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Legal2</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/07/27/ms-13-and-immigration-policy/#comment-17737</link>
		<dc:creator>Legal2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 13:40:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/07/27/ms-13-and-immigration-policy/#comment-17737</guid>
		<description>more evidence: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8063999731982990236</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>more evidence: <a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8063999731982990236" rel="nofollow">http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8063999731982990236</a></p>
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		<title>By: Legal2</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/07/27/ms-13-and-immigration-policy/#comment-17736</link>
		<dc:creator>Legal2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 13:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/07/27/ms-13-and-immigration-policy/#comment-17736</guid>
		<description>Another good video to show the poor, law-abiding (sarcasm) revolutionaries:

http://www.immigrationwatchdog.com/?page_id=810</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another good video to show the poor, law-abiding (sarcasm) revolutionaries:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.immigrationwatchdog.com/?page_id=810" rel="nofollow">http://www.immigrationwatchdog.com/?page_id=810</a></p>
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