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Mexicanos Sin Fronteras Announces Protests

By Greg L | 31 July 2007 | Illegal Aliens, Prince William County | 85 Comments

Mexicanos Sin Fronteras held a press conference this afternoon to announce a boycott and march, which I expect to be held sometime in the late September - early October timeframe.  As soon as I hear the details, I’ll post more on what they’re planning to do.

This really ought to help their cause.  Haven’t they figured out by now that every time they try to bully a community with a march, public support for their cause diminishes?

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  1. AWCheney said on 31 Jul 2007 at 3:15 pm:
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    When are they going to “boycott?” That’s the one I’m looking forward to! Less traffic, less agravation in the stores, more English-speaking checkers…she says blissfully…

  2. TH said on 31 Jul 2007 at 3:17 pm:
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    I wouldn’t worry about the boycott or the marches. I think Greg put it nicely: They don’t understand how these types of protests affect their cause. I don’t think they are politically savy. Keep us posted.

  3. Joe Budzinski said on 31 Jul 2007 at 3:30 pm:
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  4. Mando said on 31 Jul 2007 at 4:00 pm:
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    Wasn’t there a national boycott last year? If they really wanted some change they’d stop sending the billions of dollars back to their homelands and demand change in their own government.

  5. TH said on 31 Jul 2007 at 4:19 pm:
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    People has always sent money back to their countries. The case of the Italians in the 1900s’ well documented. Theyu don’t send money to the government but their families. I know for a fact that some are returning after saving money. they are quite successful there.
    The message that boycotts generate are mostly negative. It doesn’t help their cause because people think it is about asking for rights rather than to question a law.

  6. Rick Bentley said on 31 Jul 2007 at 4:30 pm:
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    Maybe someone can infiltrate this organization and get them to consider a total boycott - illegals buy no property in PWC, rent no apartments in PWC, and go live elsewhere. Maybe then they can make a real statement! I think they should try it. Not buying tortillas and gasoline for a week is hardly going to dent the economy.

    Meanwhile, I would like to start a charity organization that provides free bus rides back across the border to each and every illegal in America, call it Mexicanos Sin Bus Rides or something like that.

  7. citizenofmanassas said on 31 Jul 2007 at 4:32 pm:
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    I don’t think this is going to have much impact one way or the other. The people that support illegal aliens such as the MJM, Washington COMPOST and other supporters will never see this type of action as being a negative to their cause. They will capture it as a fight for rights and freedom against the racist Americans who do not like immigration.

    It may cause a few fence sitters to change their minds, but I believe at this point, most everyone has an opinion on this issue.

  8. Legal2 said on 31 Jul 2007 at 4:40 pm:
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    Whenever they rally, ICE should mark their calendars and PWCPD/MCPD should be ready to validate their legal status. Time to use the laws already on the books.

  9. Had to Say said on 31 Jul 2007 at 4:47 pm:
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    It’s been said that most of the people that showed up at All Saints the other night were LEGAL! I had to laugh at that.

  10. Barbara Cummings said on 31 Jul 2007 at 4:49 pm:
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    I like the fellow in the foreground of the photo with the Service Employees Union Local 73 (Chicago) trying to hide his face from the camera.

    Then there’s the poster on the left telling us to toss our American Flags in the trash!

  11. TH said on 31 Jul 2007 at 5:08 pm:
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    I think the problem they have with the protest is that you bring people who make the mistakes that this fellow with the poster made (besides showing a lack of respect for the country that is feeding him).
    It is very difficult to control the crowd bringing their own flags, etc. It doesn’t help that some start by attacking the US rather than starting a conversation.

  12. anonymous said on 31 Jul 2007 at 5:10 pm:
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    Of course you know the USA stole all of it’s wealth from the 3rd world by exploiting them. So attacking the USA is a natural thing to do.

  13. AWCheney said on 31 Jul 2007 at 5:29 pm:
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    What a marvelously Marxist statement anonymous. It so nicely confirms what most people believe of the politics of the illegal alien apologists. Mind if we quote you?

  14. park'd said on 31 Jul 2007 at 6:20 pm:
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    Please protest all you want. Please also boycott all you want and stay off the roads those days. The only thing that happened last time they did this was make my commute stellar. Keep up the good work boys! I would have a nice, tolerable commute if it weren’t for the 50% of the people on the roads that shouldn’t be here. I’ll mark their protest days on my calendar so I know when I can sleep in an extra 30 minutes, shop in peace, and drive on the roads without fear of the ever present non-insured illegal in the cars to the front, sides and behind me. SWEET!

  15. Legal2 said on 31 Jul 2007 at 6:23 pm:
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    And don’t forget, it reminds us that once we improve the illegal problem around here, there shouldn’t be numerous road taxes foisted on us to improve those terrible commutes!

  16. manassascityresident said on 31 Jul 2007 at 6:44 pm:
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    Just watched the news where they announced that Cobb County has passed the proposal (written about below) limiting the number of people living in a single family home. Good article until you get to the last sentence. Get ready Virginia.

    By Jeremy Redmon
    The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
    Published on: 07/24/07
    Ten people are living in Zugey Arzate’s little brick house in east Cobb County, and her neighbors say the crowd is causing big problems.

    Arzate says her 1,511-square-foot home on Little Road has ample space for her and her nine relatives from Mexico.

    Neighbors say that’s far too many people in a single-family home. They have counted as many as 10 cars on her property. They fear for their property values.

    Such complaints have caught the attention of Cobb County officials, who are targeting homes like Arzate’s through a proposed ban on overcrowding in homes that is scheduled for a vote tonight. The proposal would limit the number of people who can live in a home based on its size —- one adult per 390 square feet. That would mean Arzate could have perhaps only three adults in her home.

    The county also wants to bar people from seeking day labor, a common practice among illegal immigrants hoping to get paid under the table.

    Cobb’s actions come as other local governments, frustrated by the federal government’s inaction, are moving to crack down on illegal immigrants. Cherokee County adopted an ordinance in December to punish landlords who rent to illegal immigrants. Gwinnett County voted last month to require companies seeking county contracts to verify that all of their employees are legal U.S. residents.

    Immigrant advocacy groups argue Cobb’s housing ordinance violates federal fair housing laws while the ban on day laborers would be an unconstitutional violation of free speech. “This may be a more sophisticated attempt to create a pretext to target Latino populations, be they immigrants or non-immigrants,” said Elise Shore, regional counsel for the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund.

    Cobb officials say they are not targeting any one group. They hired outside legal help to try to make their proposals bulletproof. “There is no question that this country has a huge problem with illegal immigration,” said Cobb Commission Chairman Sam Olens. “There is also no question that many of the boarding houses include illegal immigrants and many of the individuals at the day labor sites are illegal immigrants; however, the practices are offensive whether the individuals are legal or illegal.”

    Other Georgia communities —- particularly college towns where students irritate neighbors by shoehorning into homes —- have similarly cracked down on crowding, according to the Association County Commissioners of Georgia.

    Cobb’s proposal is tougher than an existing ordinance on the subject, officials say, because it limits the number of adults who can live in one home based on overall square footage as listed in the county tax assessor’s records. Current county law requires at least 50 square feet of “sleeping space” per adult, and officials must get permission from homeowners to enter houses and measure.

    Under Cobb’s proposal, a house must have at least 390 square feet of “total building square footage” for each adult resident and for each car parked overnight. It also would limit the people living in a home to one family or two or fewer unrelated adults and their children and/or grandchildren. Family is defined as parents, children, grandparents, grandchildren, brothers and sisters.

    Officials say they could make exceptions. For example, if a family wanted to let its adult children live at home, it could apply for a land-use permit.

    Arzate said she lives with her husband and two children, her father, her brother, and her other brother and his wife and two children. She said everyone living there is in the U.S. legally.

    “I don’t know what is the problem. I don’t have too many people here,” said Arzate, speaking in English. “It is only my family.”

    Arzate says she suspects she’s being picked on because she’s Hispanic, an accusation her neighbors deny. They have complained repeatedly to Cobb officials about Arzate’s property.

    The county has issued citations to Arzate for litter on her property and for cars parked in her yard. Cobb authorities issued a warrant for her arrest this month after she failed to appear in court on the charges.

    “They are in the back playing volleyball on their days off,” said Carolyn Warner, a retired Delta flight attendant who lives around the corner from Arzate. “They are probably illegal. … They are all young men.”

    A short drive west from Arzate’s home, dozens of men, mostly Hispanic, hang out daily around a RaceTrac gas station on South Cobb Drive. They wait for anyone to pull up and offer as much as $12 an hour for a day of painting or roofing work.

    The workers say they used to hunt for jobs in nearby Marietta but stopped after the city started enforcing a 1999 ordinance making it illegal to hire day laborers on streets, sidewalks, parking lots, public property or public rights of way.

    Cobb officials have modeled their proposal on the city’s ban. They say they are worried about day laborers starting fights and getting hit by cars.

    Speaking both English and Spanish, Antonio Perez stood outside the gas station one day last week, looking for painting work so he could send money to his wife and two children in Mexico.

    “No good,” Perez said of Cobb’s plans to crack down on day laborers. And if Cobb goes through with its ban?

    Perez said he might look for work in Virginia.

  17. Scott said on 31 Jul 2007 at 6:45 pm:
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    I’m still wondering where all of those scared illegal aliens are hiding. According to the news they are afraid to go outside, but I see them everywhere.

  18. anonymous said on 31 Jul 2007 at 8:25 pm:
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    “What a marvelously Marxist statement anonymous. It so nicely confirms what most people believe of the politics of the illegal alien apologists. Mind if we quote you?”

    Be my guest. Do note that I was being sarcastic there, however. I don’t believe what I said to be true, but I am well are that there are people who do. Wealth is created, not stolen. It’s time that Mexico figure out how to create wealth in something other than human trafficking and the drug trade.

  19. es_la_ley said on 31 Jul 2007 at 8:28 pm:
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    Fox News had a segment on the boycott tonight about 5:10. Major hurl piece, definitely one-sided (pro-illegal). They had one guy complaining about the politicians not listening to them (clueless that the politicians don’t represent *illegal* aliens). And another dude was spouting something to the effect that “you don’t see them going after illegal Irish immigrants or illegal Eastern European immigrants” [I paraphrase because I don’t have the verbatim quote]. Well, yea, we would if that was the case!

    Good grief. I hope the politicos don’t fold.

  20. Dolph said on 31 Jul 2007 at 9:25 pm:
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    Perhaps someone here knows the answer to my question. Es_la_Ley’s post made me start thinking…who really oversees voter registration? Is citizenship confirmed? How does this work?

    Back in the day you used to have to drag out all sorts of identification to register to vote. I can remember going over to the old court house when I transferred my voter registration up here…back when dirt was forming on the earth. Now you can register to vote sitting in your car.

    Who knows the new process and what checks and balances are in place to make sure that dead people don’t vote? I have registered twice and have taken it for granted ever since. Shame on me.

  21. manassascityresident said on 31 Jul 2007 at 9:39 pm:
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    Dolph - Very good question. And I would like to become more educated on the process of attaining visas - and the difference between the different types, etc.
    If all a person has to do is show a license to register to vote - we’re in trouble. There are so many fake IDs and documents out there. Very scary.

  22. Dolph said on 31 Jul 2007 at 9:45 pm:
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    It certainly is scary. The old ‘vote early and often’ somehow isnt so funny at the moment.

  23. citizenofmanassas said on 31 Jul 2007 at 9:46 pm:
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    Did anyone else see the News 4 story segment in the 5:00 hour? It was a real balanced segment. First off they ran teaser stories that said groups were protesting the anti-immigrant measure passed by PW County. The segment provided platforms for the groups organizing the boycotts, fair enough, then it ran an interview of Stewart for about twenty seconds, then it ran an interview of a hispanic business owner who said business was down already, then it interviewed to “men on the street” who were pro-illegal aliens. Nice job News 4 on the balance.

  24. citizenofmanassas said on 31 Jul 2007 at 9:51 pm:
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    You are right it is hard to control who shows up at these types of events. However, the media turns a blind eye toward this type of behavior from the pro-illegal alien crowd all the time. There clearly is a large segment of these supporters who hate this Country and have no bones showing that hatred.

    Yet, look how the media portrays the anti-illegal alien crowd. We are called bigots racists etc, and intolerant. Do you think the media would ignore such signs if they referred to mexican flags?

  25. citizenofmanassas said on 31 Jul 2007 at 9:57 pm:
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    Also remember the motor voter law that was passed during the Clinton years, that allows you to register to vote when obtaining a driver license.

  26. manassascityresident said on 31 Jul 2007 at 10:03 pm:
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    COM -
    That’s what I was afraid of! that’s just great….(not)
    Why can’t ICE hang out at the DMV and help validate LEGAL DOCUMENTATION?????

  27. TH said on 31 Jul 2007 at 10:07 pm:
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    Well, the same way I think that the boycott doesn’t work for the pro illegal alien group, the combative attitude doesn’t help the anti-illegal message.
    After reading some of your messages I have been educated about your situation. I think that when you allow passion to drive the message you loose. You want people to see what you go through in your neighborhoods rather than just saying “you are illegal, go home”.
    The media picks up the noise and not what generates that passion.
    Folks you are the educated crowd (and if you are not educated, get to know what you need)

  28. Patty said on 31 Jul 2007 at 10:17 pm:
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    News4 reported that the illegal aliens will boycott the last week of August. I guess they want to make sure their kids do not miss school.

    I wish they would boycott indefinitely. I would love to go to 7-11 and not see the hordes of illegals. I would love to go to Shopper’s Food and not see them eating the produce and throwing the pits and shells back into the produce bins. I would love to go shopping and hear the English language spoken and understood.

    Why can’t they just boycott themselves back to Mexico?

    Are they really this stupid. I guess they don’t understand that we would love to see them boycott.

    Our economy was going gang busters before they arrived and it has taken a downward spiral since they have been here.

    Attention Illegal Aliens: Please continue your boycott forever!!!

  29. AWCheney said on 31 Jul 2007 at 10:17 pm:
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    I do Dolph…I just went through contacting both local Registrars and the State Board of Elections because of concerns. Here’s what I found out:

    Since the Federal Government gave us “Motor Voter” Registration, there are NO checks and balances (although there could be if the SBE is directed, but that’s another story). The new form of voter registration starts with a mere application that can be acquired and returned at the DMV, Voter Registration offices, or any temporary voter registration station that might be set up by the local Voter Registration offices. This form is also mailed out with driver’s license renewals and can be mailed back with them, however, it is not required for an individual to have driver’s license to register. It’s actually not required that they have ANYTHING to prove who they are in order to register.

    The information on the form carries a presumption of warranty merely in the applicant’s signature on it, following a statement “promising” that all information being provided by the applicant is true, including that the applicant is indeed a citizen of the United States and able to legally register to vote in that jurisdiction. Theoretically, those forms then go to the local Registrars for “investigation,” but they are not permitted to investigate beyond notifying Registrars in other jurisdictions if any of the applicants are transfers. The only investigation that is permitted is by the Commonwealth Attorney’s office and only if there is a complaint. Unfortunately, voter fraud is lower on our Commonwealth Attorney’s radar than littering. The Registrars are not even allowed to purge voter lists as they once were for deaths, duplicate addresses, or non-voting for multiple elections. Scary, isn’t it.

  30. TH said on 31 Jul 2007 at 10:23 pm:
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    “Very good question. And I would like to become more educated on the process of attaining visas - and the difference between the different types, etc”
    I used to work for the director of an international student office at “State U” so I am very familiar with the visa process.
    A visa won’t get you to get registered. In fact if you show a passport it gets you disqualified right away. The most common visa is the B1/B2 that is just for tourists. You cannot work with that one (allows you to stay a maximum of six months). It is not easy to get now that the BCIS is using a system to check every single thing that you or yor family has done. This is the visa that most people use to come to the country and then overstay. You cannot get a SSN with this visa
    Visas H1B is to work. You can get a SSN with this one and you can bring your family (H2 I think) but they cannot work. The H visa is good for six years. Most people apply for a green card after the first three years so they can have the green card once the six years are over.
    F visas are for students. They can bring their families if they prove that they have the money to support them (F2). The studnet can only work on campus (20 hours)and the dependents cannot work. You get a SSN but it has a note that you are not allowed to work (the card has that written) unless you have a permit. Once you complete your education you can get a special permit to work for just one year. Most students use it to start teaching after gettin the PhD and have a year to get the H1b visa.
    J visas are for exchange students and you cannot stay in the country. You have to come back to your country after completing your studies.
    O visas are for diplomats I think (or people working for organizations such as the world bank).
    There are other visas for temporary employment but they are very limited.
    Believe me it is very difficult to get any visa now. So if you cannot get the B visa people try to come through the border. 40 to 50 % of the people who are here illegally overstay their visa, mostly a B visa because students have choices and they won’t throw away years of education by staying here illegally.
    There are other permits such as the ones for people from Sudan or Liberia. Right away you get the card to work in the country if the US government determines that there are problems in their country of origin. These are temporary permits and people can be sent back any time. it just happens with the Liberians.
    I hope this helps.

  31. AWCheney said on 31 Jul 2007 at 10:30 pm:
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    Sorry it took awhile for me to post this Dolph…I wanted make sure I got the whole awful thing straight. (I was going to add a couple of adjectives to “awful,” but I didn’t want to use the Lord’s name in vain).

  32. Dolph said on 31 Jul 2007 at 10:38 pm:
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    I think that your advice is very good advice for all of us. I truly believe most people here have very valid concerns. Mine might be very different from someone else’s, depending on their experiences and actually, where they live. It could even be something as simple as what block they live on.

    Manassas Park has different issues than City of Manassas and the county issues are different from both the cities’ issues. The community as a whole has changed a great deal and the closer you live to ‘town’ the more you are impacted by immigration. Once you get on the other side of 66, the issues become less community driven. Thats just the nuts and bolts of the situation.

    Perhaps we need to work more on salesmanship rather than marksmanship here. Emotions can cloud issues and keep very valid points from being made. It is all too easy to dismiss what a person is saying with a label than to try to see where that person is really coming from.


  33. Gurduloo said on 31 Jul 2007 at 10:42 pm:
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    “The Registrars are not even allowed to purge voter lists as they once were for deaths, duplicate addresses, or non-voting for multiple elections.”

    I know for a fact that this is not true. Which registrar did you contact? I’ve talked to Linda Womack, the Manassas City registrar about this several times - they purge the voter lists on a regular basis and are still doing so. It is a requirement for all registrars in Virginia.

  34. AWCheney said on 31 Jul 2007 at 10:46 pm:
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    I spoke to both the SBE and to the Prince William County Voter Registrar. It is the Federal Law which prevents purging…kudos to Manassas if they have the chutzpah to ignore it.

  35. AWCheney said on 31 Jul 2007 at 10:50 pm:
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    When did you speak to her Gurduloo…was it before 1995?

  36. citizenofmanassas said on 31 Jul 2007 at 10:52 pm:
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    I don’t understand what you were tying to say in your post. Who here is combative? I do not think my concerns are any more or any less then most folks who are fed up with illegal aliens. Sure I am passionate about the illegal alien issue, like many others on this blog. I am pretty passionate about many issues that affect my life on a daily basis.

    The fact the other side is going to boycott and has in the past flown foreign flags at rallies that are supposed to show just how they love to live here in America pretty much tells me and everyone else(regardless if they want to see it or not) the other side is the one with the issues.

  37. Dolph said on 31 Jul 2007 at 10:53 pm:
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    Thank you very much for the explanation. Now I am truly horrified. It sounds like I can go vote as my dead mother. I simply do not know what to say other than the wave of paranoia that I felt reading the post that prompted the question has become a reality.

    Is a birth certificate, photo id, passport ever required when registering to vote? What is to prevent me from going and registering in 10 jurisdictions? This might be pretty useful during a presidential election. I could just ride the circuit on election day and vote as often as I wanted to.

    Actually there is another question I really want to ask but I dont want to give anyone any ideas they havent already thought of……

    Thanks again.


  38. Dolph said on 31 Jul 2007 at 11:01 pm:
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    TH, How on earth does the average person ever sort out all the visa rules?

    Let’s say I am a citizen of …Belize. I want to come to the United States to live, with the possibility of perhaps becoming a US citizen. Would you be able to walk me through the legal process?


  39. AWCheney said on 31 Jul 2007 at 11:08 pm:
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    No ID is necessary, Dolph. When I registered to vote I had to provide proof of citizenship (Naturalization Papers), proof of residency in the precinct, a picture ID, and raise my right hand and swear an oath that all my certified documentation was legitimate, under penalty of law. What really pissed me off was that I had to wait until I was 21…and it was the same year that the law permitting 18 year-olds to vote took effect. I had already been politically active for four years, so that pissed me off!

  40. Mary said on 31 Jul 2007 at 11:08 pm:
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    There are zero attempts to keep illegals from voting in California. A congressional candidate last November sent out a Spanish-language letter to illegals in his district telling them it was illegal for them to vote while emphasizing that they could vote if they were legal.

    He was arrested and harassed for interfering with “voting rights.”

    His opponent was a Hispanic woman incumbent named Loretta Sanchez. The previous time she was elected, it was proven that more than 600 illegals had voted for her.

    This is what Mexifornia is like nowadays.

  41. TH said on 31 Jul 2007 at 11:13 pm:
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    It is not easy Dolph! The easy way to immigrate is to marry a US Citizen. Other than that it is not easy and it takes years to get US citizenship or evn a green card.
    If you don’t have the education or the talent of Yao Ming then it is hard.
    Everything depends on the situation.

  42. TH said on 31 Jul 2007 at 11:21 pm:
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    I am not taking sides here. What I am saying is that the media will assign you a tag depending on how you approach to the issue. Your chances of being called a bigot or racist won’t be determined by looking at your specific situation but by the way you present it.
    It doesn’t mean that you shouldn’t be passionate about the issue. When I hear people talking about guns then you loose me (or the media) whatever people say after that about your neighborhood is not taken as serious as it should be.
    My point is that people have to hear your side of the story without the noise.

  43. anonymous said on 31 Jul 2007 at 11:25 pm:
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    “Is a birth certificate, photo id, passport ever required when registering to vote?”


    “What is to prevent me from going and registering in 10 jurisdictions?”

    The honor system.

  44. Dolph said on 31 Jul 2007 at 11:28 pm:
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    Thanks. Is that pretty standard for all Latin American countries or is it because I pulled Belize out of a hat?

    Also, is it the same for European countries? What would be different if I was a UK citizen and wanted to permanently immigrate to the United States?


  45. Lafayette said on 31 Jul 2007 at 11:29 pm:
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    I think you could go vote as you dead mother. When voting at the same place you do, I couldn’t help but notice my dead father’s name is still on the list of voters(6/12/2007). He has been dead for three years. The Registrar was notified of my father’s death.
    The possibilites are endless for such voter fraud, and ID theft etc..

  46. Lafayette said on 31 Jul 2007 at 11:35 pm:
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    Anon 11:25
    The honor system works for law obeying legal U.S. Citizens.
    As we all know there is NOTHING HONORABLE about illegal aliens, and the crimes(all types) they commit!

  47. Dolph said on 31 Jul 2007 at 11:35 pm:
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    Anonymous and awc,

    I would have been pissed off too, you youngster. grin!!!

    I had to jump through some hoops also. I just don’t remember what they were. It has been that long ago.

    Anonymous, the honor system….hmmmm….in other words, nothing. If you have a mind to commit voter fraud, it is a fairly easy thing to do.

    Something I have always thought to be both a priviledge and a responsibility, has just been reduced to rubble.

    What is all this nonsense in Georgia about? Something about having to have a photo id is placing an undo burden on older people? How does this relate to what you both have said?

  48. Dolph said on 31 Jul 2007 at 11:38 pm:
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    No kidding. Who notifies the registrar of someone’s death? Is this the responsibility of the family or the responsibility of the state (re death certificate) or the executor of the estate?

    Please enlighten me as this needs to be taken care of. I already shred every piece of mail that still comes here for her.

  49. AWCheney said on 31 Jul 2007 at 11:50 pm:
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    I don’t know Dolph (can you provide me a link?), although I can guess. They are trying to use the excuse that septuagenarians may not have up to date photo IDs because after a certain age you can’t get a driver’s license. This also helps those who want to keep voter fraud, identity theft, and various other modern, seemingly politically correct, anomalies easy for those who indulge in the practices (is there something about the more recent generations that has caused them to lose any sense of right from wrong?).

  50. Lafayette said on 31 Jul 2007 at 11:52 pm:
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    I don’t know who’s responsiblity it is. I told my mother to do this. I thought I was glad she did. Now, I’m only pissed off that she did, and nothing was done. Given our changing community I just thought it was a good idea. ID theft is out of control. My mother still gets mail and phone calls from non-profits and politicians for my dad.The do not call list should include these types of calls like the telemarketers. Seems kind of fishy to me. Cons are always preying on the elderly, that’s why I’m so glad I can keep an eye on my moms house 24/7.
    Keep shredding that mail!!

  51. Dolph said on 1 Aug 2007 at 12:00 am:
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    This is all I can wade through. I was in error. It has to do with actual voting rather than registering to vote.

    I wish that one of these clowns would have to experience our DMV. What a pain in the tail!
    Then they would have an understanding of undo burden. I not only had to prove I was born, but also that marriage changed my name. I tried to explain that I wasn’t born married. That cut no ice.



  52. Dolph said on 1 Aug 2007 at 12:03 am:
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    I shred every piece of mail that has a name on it other than resident. I darn near burned the thing up after my mother died.


  53. Mary said on 1 Aug 2007 at 12:16 am:
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    Regarding the photo of these “protesters,” the guy showing our flag in a trash can needs to be deported. Yesterday. I would personally drive this asswipe to the border myself.

  54. AWCheney said on 1 Aug 2007 at 12:24 am:
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    “My mother still gets mail and phone calls from non-profits and politicians for my dad.”

    Unfortunately, solicitation of contributions, surveys, and politicians are exempt from the No Not Call Registry. I, however, have managed to get rid of almost all of them. Just have your Mom tell them that she never pledges or contributes to anything or anybody over the phone and, if the organization is legitimate, they can send her information in the mail…but she should never let them have her address (if they have her phone number, they already have it. They won’t if it is an automated random number phone bank…the most dangerous kind.). Then, if they send her anything and she isn’t interested, there’s always the shredder.

    Most of these calls come from massive boiler rooms and very little of the money they raise actually goes to the charities they claim to represent. Plus, there is always the risk of phony charities. It doesn’t take very long for the calls to stop…these boiler rooms often use the same call lists regardless of the client. Of course, some of them try to circumvent me…you know, the “if the wife answers, hang up” call (I check caller ID and log them). But that’s not a problem anymore…I’ve got my husband trained now as well.

    Insofar as those politicians and survey companies…I tell them I don’t do surveys and my vote is private, end conversation.

  55. AWCheney said on 1 Aug 2007 at 12:25 am:
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    Typo: Do Not Call Registry

  56. Lafayette said on 1 Aug 2007 at 12:35 am:
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    Thank you for the info. as always. My husband and I always tell them to mail us information, and the funny thing is nothing ever comes in the mail. I’m pretty sure I’ve told my mom to do this. I sure will remind her first thing in the morning.
    Here’s one of my favorites….I use my maiden, my husband can’t stand it when they ask for Mr. P., and not Mr. Murphy. This also helps recognize unwanted calls. I’ve lived here too long to go and change my name at this point in my life.
    I try to avoid all calls that I don’t know the name and/or number.

  57. AWCheney said on 1 Aug 2007 at 12:52 am:
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    I don’t avoid them Lafayette…I get rid of them. It’s actually fun. I have to say, the one that I REALLY enjoyed (hope nobody minds the anecdote) was one that I took when I was in a very bad mood. The call was obviously outsourced and the caller had an almost impossible to understand Indian accent. We were already on the “Do Not Call” list so I pointed that out. This gal would not stop reading her script even then, so I got mean. First of all, I told her that I knew that this was an outsourced call and that I also knew she was calling from India. That gave her pause, and she asked how I knew. I told her that I just knew. Then I told her that this was a violation of the law and her persistence despite having pointed that out to her had done far more than merely annoy me. Then I demanded to talk to her supervisor. She got her on the line right away. I basically ran through the same thing with her, in no uncertain terms, and demanded that she take our name and information off their list in my most assertive manner and then I did something I never do (just couldn’t help myself…I was on a roll)…I suggested that she look at the name, C-H-E-N-EY, and that perhaps she recognized it. Essentially, I was then assured that we would never hear from them again…and to my knowledge, we have never received another outsourced call, at least from India. That was so much fun.

  58. Lafayette said on 1 Aug 2007 at 1:24 am:
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    That’s great!! I hate the outsourced calls. Too many American companies have done this. Whenever, I can tell they’re in India, I tell them I have a bad connection, and please send my call back to the U.S.
    I love a good fight, but working at home on foreclosure title searches I just can’t stop, and be bothered. The phone rings too much, not to mention I use a cell phone at home for work, and does it’s fair share of ringing too.

  59. AWCheney said on 1 Aug 2007 at 1:36 am:
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    Well, I was in a bad mood that day…it lifted my spirits. ;-)

  60. long time resident said on 1 Aug 2007 at 6:44 am:
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    Identity theft, illegal voting, where’s it going to stop?

    I just received a medical bill from PW hospital for someone with a latio name (Jose someone) at my address, I build my home 20 years ago and no-one else has ever lived there.

    A previous poster noted that the honor system is all that is balancing our voting system. Based on an apparant attempt from someone to bilk our local hospital for several thousand dollars (they were onviously uninsured and most likely illegal), honor is a lost commodity

  61. anonymous said on 1 Aug 2007 at 9:45 am:
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    “If you have a mind to commit voter fraud, it is a fairly easy thing to do.”

    The scary thing is that lots of bad, illegal things are fairly easy to do when you have a mind to.

    Particularly in a society as open as ours.

    Our society really does use the honor system quite a bit when you think about it.

  62. Sals said on 1 Aug 2007 at 10:30 am:
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    There is an Hispanic woman who came here legally when she was one. Her parents became naturalized citizens and for some reason believed that she was too. She registered to vote and ran for a seat on a city council in California. Although apparently she’s an American in every sense except legally, she’s now in serious danger of being deported because she voted when she wasn’t eligible. Hopefully that serves as a deterrent for others.

  63. Anonymous said on 1 Aug 2007 at 10:47 am:
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    So when they protest in PWC will the Chief have extra officers on standby to crack down or protect the illegals?? You can bet he won’t have his guys checking ID’s.

  64. citizenofmanassas said on 1 Aug 2007 at 1:40 pm:
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    The MJM attacked HSM in an editorial before the first official meeting was held. HSM did not display any type of behavior that could be considered questionable. Yet, the MJM attacked it because the MJM supports illegal aliens and they see anyone against illegals are being bigots end of story. The same goes for the Washington COMPOST. Every single editorial they release is the same-bigots racists etc. The same can be said of many other media outlets.

    Posting on a blog(which could be anyone, and where there is no accountability) is far different then standing in public holding offensive signs toward the Country you have immigrated to.

  65. Lafayette said on 1 Aug 2007 at 2:36 pm:
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    We have called the MJM, the Journal Mess around here. MJM is just that a MESS!!

  66. Dolph said on 1 Aug 2007 at 4:14 pm:
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    I have called it the Jungle Rag for many years.
    The Charlottesville paper, the Daily Progress, is the Daily Regress.

  67. citizenofmanassas said on 1 Aug 2007 at 4:14 pm:
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    Yes it is.

  68. park'd said on 1 Aug 2007 at 8:10 pm:
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    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Why is anyone reading this MJM garbage? Boycott that rag and run them out of business. If all of you would stop subscribing to that bundle of lies and PC nonsense then they would have to print it in Spanish because the illegal aliens would be the only ones that would read it. It only has two uses that I can see:

    1. Starting my fires
    2. Something I would use it for after I eat

  69. Legal2 said on 1 Aug 2007 at 8:16 pm:
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    The MJM Spanish edition is offered free in front of their building on Center Street, Manassas.

  70. Dolph said on 1 Aug 2007 at 8:46 pm:
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    Many of the newer immigrants cannot read or write Spanish. Education just hasn’t been there for them. So they enter this country not only illiterate in English but also illiterate in their own language. I dont think a lot of them will be reading the Jungle Rag.

  71. citizenofmanassas said on 1 Aug 2007 at 9:33 pm:
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    I get it second hand from a neighbor or I read it online. There is not doubt part of their support for illegal aliens come from the fact they do have a Spanish language paper. Recall their editorial last month regarding while they hope the “new comers” will speak English, we, meaning the Native Americans must be willing to learn Spanish and accept the new immigrants.

  72. Dolph said on 1 Aug 2007 at 10:25 pm:
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    Oh I am not disputing that there is a Spanish Jungle Rag, I am just saying that a lot of immigrants will not be able to read it. Of course, that doesn’t mean someone won’t read it to them.

    I actually didn’t feel the article on the front page was all that bad. It gave the facts and a few quotes from each side of the issue. I dont want the news given from a point of view….I just want facts.

    I understand why the various groups are meeting and stirring the pot. It doesn’t mean I like it, but I do understand it.

    Now moving on to what really frosts me….is anyone who is not here legally having the affrontery to demonstrate. And what double frosts me is that they feel they have the right to do this and I, a citizen, am wrong to criticize this. The triple frost comes when Anti-American slogans are chanted and depicted and when the American flag is desecrated. I really hate the sense of entitlement.

  73. anonymous said on 1 Aug 2007 at 11:09 pm:
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    ” It only has two uses that I can see:

    1. Starting my fires
    2. Something I would use it for after I eat”

    3. Litter box liner
    4. Oil-change drip catcher

  74. Bob Sentz said on 2 Aug 2007 at 11:14 am:
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    I cancelled my subscription about two weeks ago. Asked why I cancelled I told them I did not appreciate the way they ‘reported’ the news with regard to illegal aliens. Got a refund check just yesterday.

  75. Lafayette said on 2 Aug 2007 at 12:55 pm:
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    Way to go Bob. I only read it online. I wonder if they benefit from readers on the web. Does anyone know? They don’t deserve one red cent for the ole Journal Mess.

  76. Bob Sentz said on 2 Aug 2007 at 4:08 pm:
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    Lafayette-I would assume they (MJM) could stand to profit by anyone clicking on one of their advertisers links or other links on their website.

  77. Lafayette said on 2 Aug 2007 at 6:20 pm:
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    Thanks Bob, it’s bad enough I go on there to read. I’m sure as heck not gonna click on advertisement there or any links.

  78. Henry said on 3 Aug 2007 at 1:34 pm:
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    I hope the date of the march is announced soon - May be ICE can set up a sweep that day ….

  79. Bridget said on 3 Aug 2007 at 8:29 pm:
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    Please take a moment to read what the Washinton Hispanic has to report.


    After that, you might want to go here to sign Hunter’s border fence petition:


  80. Bridget said on 3 Aug 2007 at 8:31 pm:
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  81. Good Time Charlie said on 3 Aug 2007 at 9:02 pm:
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    Mentioned earlier………Is the Chief of Police in PWC going to have officers on standby for illegals? Charlie Deane has kept his ranks so lean they can’t even answer calls for service in a timely manner. County Supervisors at times have needed to force him to increase his ranks. I don’t understand how that issue alone isn’t a topic of discussion on this web site.

    Compare the number of sworn officers against population numbers, surrounding jurisdictions, the national average, and F.O.P. recommended levels. Not only does Charlie Deane not want to enforce illegal immigration numbers…..he doesn’t have enough cops to do it.

    His police department might serve, but there aren’t enough to protect. My recommendation is to learn how to defend yourselves.

  82. AWCheney said on 4 Aug 2007 at 3:11 am:
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    Bridget, you know that Manassas phone number listed in the article to which you linked? Check out this link to all the organizations at the residential address of that phone number:


  83. Bridget said on 4 Aug 2007 at 12:53 pm:
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    Wow. Thanks for that link AWCheney. Why am I not surprised.

    Those Neo-Quakers are so darn cute! One worlding, anti-nuclear, anti-weaponry, ani-gun pacifist parasites for progress promoting and supporting the expansion of oppression!

    The AFSC - American Friends Sevice Commitee; Celebrating Americans Dead Since 1917.

    I learned about the Quakers the hard way. Years ago I had one for a neighbor. He was all over the compassion and humanitarianism trail. Always fussing over economic and social injustice.

    The guy would hang the UN flag out on the 4TH of July - and when we took the hit on 9/11 , he comletely lost his Mr. Mild Placid demeanor. Ranted for ages over how Americans deserved to be hit, and how this act was nothing but a desperate cry for mercy from those being persecuted by the West.

    Anyhoo … they do love all the illegal aliens rushing in, and feel free to use them to shove marxism down our throats ….I find it funny that; while they claim to be for abolishing borders as well as very anti-nationalistic, they will jump into any parade where the invading flags of Mexico and Central America are being hoisted.

    Fighting to preserve the national identity of Mexicans in the U.S.A. is fine, yet the U.S.A. deserves to disappear.

  84. anon said on 5 Aug 2007 at 11:13 am:
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    Yes, the papers do benefit just by you reading online. Not as much as subscribing, but they do benefit. They sell those ad spaces to companies. The amount that they charge is based on the size of the ad and their daily hit numbers. So everytime you read the paper online you are giving them a hit and the ability to charge a higher rate for the ad. If you want to read the paper about the only way to do it without giving them a dime is to read it at the library.

  85. redawn said on 6 Aug 2007 at 2:14 pm:
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    good point:


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