Welcome back to the fold BH.

Deal?

Until then, if you want me to get more specific, just call me Anonymouse.

What’s your real name?

“You seem to defend that side thus encourageing me to assume you don’t like it here. I don’t care where you are from. I don’t care what you think.”

How exactly does it follow that if I disagree with you on charity toward illegal aliens or what was shown in that video clip that means that I “don’t like it here” ? Disagreeing with you doesn’t make me not like my country or any less of an American than you are. In fact, some would feel you were un-American to even suggest that. Can you defend the logic of what you are saying about how defending another point of view means I don’t “like it here”?

As for not caring what I think, as you tell me, is certainly your prerogative.

You assume correctly, I have no criticism for the frustrated American people described to us as “Minutemen”. I do doubt they were infact Minutemen, but so what if they are? I did not see anyone physically attacked. I did not even see any laws broken.

I don’t know what their affiliations are, nor do I care. They are frustrated Americans. I am proud to see Americans who are willing to stand up for their country, Americans who are willing to fight for their country!

Those trespassing, law breaking, invader, illegal aliens are fortunate they were faced with law abiding civilized American citizens that held their line at vocal outbursts. And chances are these people were all good church going Americans who are fed up with what the government is not doing, as well as what their churches are doing to get these violators here.

These illegal alien groups have expressed an interest in overthrowing our government and have shown in many ways that they have no regard, and in fact disdain for American citizens and all we have.

You seem to defend that side thus encourageing me to assume you don’t like it here. I don’t care where you are from. I don’t care what you think.

I would not mind if the aliens took whatever we left in the fields and took it home, but they naturally are not willing to stop there, they want it all…!

I assume you have no criticism for the Minutemen behavior in the video?

re: “The church should be helping them do exactly that instead of encouraging them to abandon their families and break laws by coming here.”

Mike, I think you make a very good point about churches in general in the above statement. Churches could do a great deal more in third world countries to improve the general quality of life and to help overcome poverty and ignorance. Many churches sit on great amounts of wealth; wealth that could build schools, roads, bridges, hospitals, and train people to become self sufficient.

In the 21st century, churches need to acquire a more realistic approach about over-population. In my opinion, all churches in 3rd world nations need to encourage birth control rather than proscribe it.

1- People are getting pretty fed-up with the illegal aliens everywhere in the U.S.

2- LEGAL majority rules.

Sorry if you don’t like it but that is the foundation of the American system.
Don’t like it? Go home!

Anon:
Do you believe it is right for these illegal aliens to come to our country and take from our children? They should stay in their home countries and work politically to make a difference there. The church should be helping them do exactly that instead of encouraging them to abandon their families and break laws by coming here.
Even when aliens come here and get a free American education they want to insist they stay here illegally instead of returning home where they now have the tools to make a difference! Who is being selfish here?

I’m sure there are plenty of bible verses that could be used to back both sides of this issue. Please don’t even try to suggest that the Americans who want to preserve and protect our country are condemned to Hell for what they do.

May God bless you and watch over you while you are on your long and dangerous journey home.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_UbopWb-WZc

in which supporters of the Minutemen yell at and finally drive away a couple of men from a Catholic group, Micah’s Way, who were giving food to day laborers. The Minutemen also accuse the Christians of being in it for the money. Micah’s Way helps a lot of different kinds of struggling and/or impoverished people. I realize most here will disagree, but to me offering sanctuary, food, and other assistance to the poor conforms with Christianity after the example of Jesus, a revolutionary if there ever was one, who also ministered to the most marginal of his society, including those who had broken the law and were about to be executed for it.

The quote repeated on in the Youtube comments, however, is from the Old Testament:

Deuteronomy 24:19 “When you reap your harvest in your field and have forgotten a sheaf in the field, you shall not go back to get it; it shall be for the alien, for the orphan, and for the widow, in order that the LORD your God may bless you in all the work of your hands.

IMPORTANT INFO:

Here’s MSF protest agenda currently for PWC:

1. August 27 to September 3: Economic boycott - don’t buy anything or spend one cent in PWC - shop outside of PWC and in the stores of immigrants (gosh how can you tell who is an “immigrant” without racial profiling???)

2. Work stoppage - Tuesday, October 9

3. March - Sunday, September 2

Thanks for reminding me of that distinction. My comments blurred the difference and I agree with you, there most definitely is one.

Dolph

There is a legal difference between supporting a policy and supporting a candidate. Churches and other non-profits are free to advocate for any laws they want. They can lobby Congress and other legislatures (with some restrictions) in support or opposition to any public policy they wish.

What they can’t do is interfere in an election by promoting or opposing a candidate. The speech by Mr. Pierre crossed that line. In doing so, he compromised the church and triggered a bunch of regulations that would not have applied had the church merely supported the position of amnesty.

This seems like a fine distinction, but under federal election law the difference between supporting a policy and supporting a person is a crucial distinction.