Comments on: Congress Better Start Listening http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/08/congress-better-start-listening/ Blog-Fu for Prince William, Manassas and Manassas Park politics. Tue, 22 May 2012 04:49:32 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.3 By: Luis http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/08/congress-better-start-listening/#comment-19351 Luis Thu, 09 Aug 2007 12:43:42 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/08/congress-better-start-listening/#comment-19351 About your comment on CNN: "It's the folks who come in and try to maintain the culture of the country they came from," Letiecq said. "They don't seem to embrace the American culture, the English language, the social norms of American culture." You have a pretty narrow view of the american culture and social norms from your town in Virginia. There is no one true american culture because not all U.S. citizens are born to the culture you talk about. Some of the more prominent groups are: Native Hawaiians Native Americans Puerto Ricans Virgin Islanders Just to name a few. I have no problem with you being against illegal immigration, but that comment was clearly racist and has nothing to do with illegal immigration. About your comment on CNN:
“It’s the folks who come in and try to maintain the culture of the country they came from,” Letiecq said. “They don’t seem to embrace the American culture, the English language, the social norms of American culture.”

You have a pretty narrow view of the american culture and social norms from your town in Virginia. There is no one true american culture because not all U.S. citizens are born to the culture you talk about. Some of the more prominent groups are:
Native Hawaiians
Native Americans
Puerto Ricans
Virgin Islanders

Just to name a few. I have no problem with you being against illegal immigration, but that comment was clearly racist and has nothing to do with illegal immigration.

]]> By: Anon http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/08/congress-better-start-listening/#comment-19310 Anon Thu, 09 Aug 2007 02:34:03 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/08/congress-better-start-listening/#comment-19310 Mr. Heinzinger, reading your post, I feel you are very lucky that there is no place in the Constitution that requires you to speak or write English. Mr. Heinzinger, reading your post, I feel you are very lucky that there is no place in the Constitution that requires you to speak or write English.

]]> By: Joseph Heinzinger http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/08/congress-better-start-listening/#comment-19308 Joseph Heinzinger Thu, 09 Aug 2007 02:24:58 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/08/congress-better-start-listening/#comment-19308 I do not see any were in the constitution that you must speak english. I am quit shure you do not have to speak at all. You just can't get a job or have friends . That is your choice my friends. It is called liberty. As far as I can see there is no minister of culture in our goverment to defend a culture. What if ther were and you didn't like not driving on sunday. How about the left hand handshake rule? As far as I am concerned people, I DO NOT HAVE TO ASSIMILATE with anyone that I don't want to. My culture, the founding fathers culture, was rule of LAW, and finally, RESPECT for the constitution, i.e., the bill of rights. THAT my friends is american culture as it was intended. You can howl jesus all you want to on your accord, but do not debunk scientific fact with fork tung and mystisism at a public school or govement function. I am quit shure you do not want hindu theology shoved down your kids throat so dont shove your christian crap down my kids. Some christian, remember as your savior said "these are all my children" HYPOCRIT!!!!! I do not see any were in the constitution that you must speak english. I am quit shure you do not have to speak at all. You just can’t get a job or have friends . That is your choice my friends. It is called liberty. As far as I can see there is no minister of culture in our goverment to defend a culture. What if ther were and you didn’t like not driving on sunday. How about the left hand handshake rule? As far as I am concerned people, I DO NOT HAVE TO ASSIMILATE with anyone that I don’t want to. My culture, the founding fathers culture, was rule of LAW, and finally, RESPECT for the constitution, i.e., the bill of rights. THAT my friends is american culture as it was intended. You can howl jesus all you want to on your accord, but do not debunk scientific fact with fork tung and mystisism at a public school or govement function. I am quit shure you do not want hindu theology shoved down your kids throat so dont shove your christian crap down my kids. Some christian, remember as your savior said “these are all my children” HYPOCRIT!!!!!

]]> By: Anon http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/08/congress-better-start-listening/#comment-19307 Anon Thu, 09 Aug 2007 02:21:32 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/08/congress-better-start-listening/#comment-19307 Had to Say, I think there is a difference between your experiencing frustration in some stores because someone doesn't understand you, or you don't understand them, or they are chatting to their co-workers in another language, and what Patriot described as all of us native English speakers being forced to abandon our language and culture. I don't see that happening. I don't see it even on the path to happening. Many mornings I go to a store in downtown DC for a bagel before work. It's owned by Koreans, and has Koreans and Latinos working there. Almost nobody's English is 100%, but everyone is friendly and that helps in being understood, both ways, friendliness. The Koreans speak Korean with one another, the Latinos speak Spanish with one another, and then they use English with each other and with the customers. I sort of pick up on the Spanish, I haven't a clue about the Korean, I don't mind repeating something if it is necessarily, though it rarely is. None of this bothers me. It's normal. I even like it. It wouldn't have bothered me 100 years ago on New York's Lower East Side either when you would have more Yiddish than English. We all have different things that bother us I guess. I do know "this is America" as you say, and for me, this IS America, in history and now. People love anecdotes here. Well I have one from the other night. A bus full of Latinos just off work late at night from restaurants, bone tired, it's hot. A very large white American man 45-50 enters with a cane. All the front area of the bus has the seats placed up. There must have been a wheelchair rider. As soon as he sees the man, a Latino guy, maybe 25 at the most, jumps up and starts lowering the priority seats so the guy can sit down. White man sits down. Not a single thank you. It bothered me, but I won't make a big deal about because rudeness has no color or language does it? Had to Say, I think there is a difference between your experiencing frustration in some stores because someone doesn’t understand you, or you don’t understand them, or they are chatting to their co-workers in another language, and what Patriot described as all of us native English speakers being forced to abandon our language and culture. I don’t see that happening. I don’t see it even on the path to happening.

Many mornings I go to a store in downtown DC for a bagel before work. It’s owned by Koreans, and has Koreans and Latinos working there. Almost nobody’s English is 100%, but everyone is friendly and that helps in being understood, both ways, friendliness. The Koreans speak Korean with one another, the Latinos speak Spanish with one another, and then they use English with each other and with the customers. I sort of pick up on the Spanish, I haven’t a clue about the Korean, I don’t mind repeating something if it is necessarily, though it rarely is. None of this bothers me. It’s normal. I even like it. It wouldn’t have bothered me 100 years ago on New York’s Lower East Side either when you would have more Yiddish than English. We all have different things that bother us I guess. I do know “this is America” as you say, and for me, this IS America, in history and now.

People love anecdotes here. Well I have one from the other night. A bus full of Latinos just off work late at night from restaurants, bone tired, it’s hot. A very large white American man 45-50 enters with a cane. All the front area of the bus has the seats placed up. There must have been a wheelchair rider. As soon as he sees the man, a Latino guy, maybe 25 at the most, jumps up and starts lowering the priority seats so the guy can sit down. White man sits down. Not a single thank you.

It bothered me, but I won’t make a big deal about because rudeness has no color or language does it?

]]> By: Had to Say http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/08/congress-better-start-listening/#comment-19283 Had to Say Wed, 08 Aug 2007 21:36:02 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/08/congress-better-start-listening/#comment-19283 ANON said on 8 Aug 2007 at 1:40 pm...." I don’t see that the 300 million, give or take, English speakers in this country are facing demands that they change their culture or abandon English for Spanish." ANON- Where exactly do you live? When I go into a store in America I have a right to be understood. I have a right to have someone take my order without screwing it up, because they don't understand. I think it is RUDE when employee's are waiting on you and speaking to each other in a different language. This is America in case you didn't know. ANON said on 8 Aug 2007 at 1:40 pm….” I don’t see that the 300 million, give or take, English speakers in this country are facing demands that they change their culture or abandon English for Spanish.”

ANON- Where exactly do you live? When I go into a store in America I have a right to be understood. I have a right to have someone take my order without screwing it up, because they don’t understand. I think it is RUDE when employee’s are waiting on you and speaking to each other in a different language. This is America in case you didn’t know.

]]> By: TH http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/08/congress-better-start-listening/#comment-19262 TH Wed, 08 Aug 2007 19:54:19 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/08/congress-better-start-listening/#comment-19262 It is sad that a congressman is promoting to get your rifles out. I understand the passion the this issue bring but not using reason won't take you that far. Defend your country is reasonable, but using guns to do it is not only an extremist solution but irresponsible. I come to this blog not only to understand better this issue but also to promote the use of your brain to address the issue. Sure, this issue hits you firstin the gut but folks you are smarter than what this guy is proposing. It is sad that a congressman is promoting to get your rifles out. I understand the passion the this issue bring but not using reason won’t take you that far. Defend your country is reasonable, but using guns to do it is not only an extremist solution but irresponsible.
I come to this blog not only to understand better this issue but also to promote the use of your brain to address the issue. Sure, this issue hits you firstin the gut but folks you are smarter than what this guy is proposing.

]]> By: Advocator http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/08/congress-better-start-listening/#comment-19257 Advocator Wed, 08 Aug 2007 19:41:33 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/08/congress-better-start-listening/#comment-19257 One Congressman who appreciates the current climate of the electorate is Rep Paul Kanjorski (D-Pa) who recently declared that we're not just living through a seemingly endless era when people lack confidence in the performance of the government. "No," he said, "we're on the brink of civil war. I’m in fear for the survival of the republic. People want to get their deer rifles out and go to the barricades. I haven't seen any barricades lately, but maybe I'm just not looking hard enough." Frank Wolf should take note. One Congressman who appreciates the current climate of the electorate is Rep Paul Kanjorski (D-Pa) who recently declared that we’re not just living through a seemingly endless era when people lack confidence in the performance of the government. “No,” he said, “we’re on the brink of civil war. I’m in fear for the survival of the republic. People want to get their deer rifles out and go to the barricades. I haven’t seen any barricades lately, but maybe I’m just not looking hard enough.”

Frank Wolf should take note.

]]> By: TH http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/08/congress-better-start-listening/#comment-19250 TH Wed, 08 Aug 2007 19:21:43 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/08/congress-better-start-listening/#comment-19250 No that was not the intent of the 14th amendment. It was to protect the rights of those who were born in this country. The legal warranty is known as jus soli and comes from the English Common Law. So it is a little older than what we thought. No that was not the intent of the 14th amendment. It was to protect the rights of those who were born in this country. The legal warranty is known as jus soli and comes from the English Common Law. So it is a little older than what we thought.

]]> By: Kendog100 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/08/congress-better-start-listening/#comment-19246 Kendog100 Wed, 08 Aug 2007 19:14:39 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/08/congress-better-start-listening/#comment-19246 It's time the Supreme Court revisited the birthright citizenship clause of the 14th amendment. In 1895, the case of Wong Ark was the last time the Supreme Court ruled on this clause - he was deemed a citizen only because his parents were legal residents not illegal aliens. Congress needs to be proactive and require the National Health Vital records agency to require birth certificates to state the Mother and Fathers citizenship status. In any case, it was never the intent of the 14th amendment to grant citizenship to illegal aliens. It’s time the Supreme Court revisited the birthright citizenship clause of the 14th amendment. In 1895, the case of Wong Ark was the last time the Supreme Court ruled on this clause - he was deemed a citizen only because his parents were legal residents not illegal aliens. Congress needs to be proactive and require the National Health Vital records agency to require birth certificates to state the Mother and Fathers citizenship status. In any case, it was never the intent of the 14th amendment to grant citizenship to illegal aliens.

]]> By: TH http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/08/congress-better-start-listening/#comment-19244 TH Wed, 08 Aug 2007 19:04:53 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/08/congress-better-start-listening/#comment-19244 Patriot, You are for the law, so you have to recognize that these babies are americans. Would you go as far as denying rights to the kid of an Afrincan American crack addict? they are a burden to this society too. What the parents do shouldn't affect the kids if they were born here. That is the law! We should stop the influx of illegal aliens though. When I was in Cicero, IL, I worked for the local community college. 85% of the kids were second generation immigrants, mostly from Mexico. The majority didn't apply for Financial aid because they though it was form of welfare. These are facts and not jus anecdotes. I totally agree that some people use fake documentation to get things they are not entitled too but I haven't seen a fact documenting that. Getting free services at a hospital, I have seen that and some of the numbers. Patriot,
You are for the law, so you have to recognize that these babies are americans. Would you go as far as denying rights to the kid of an Afrincan American crack addict? they are a burden to this society too. What the parents do shouldn’t affect the kids if they were born here. That is the law! We should stop the influx of illegal aliens though.

When I was in Cicero, IL, I worked for the local community college. 85% of the kids were second generation immigrants, mostly from Mexico. The majority didn’t apply for Financial aid because they though it was form of welfare. These are facts and not jus anecdotes.

I totally agree that some people use fake documentation to get things they are not entitled too but I haven’t seen a fact documenting that. Getting free services at a hospital, I have seen that and some of the numbers.

]]> By: TH http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/08/congress-better-start-listening/#comment-19243 TH Wed, 08 Aug 2007 18:59:25 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/08/congress-better-start-listening/#comment-19243 "It’s human nature" You said it and summarize it nicely Mando “It’s human nature”
You said it and summarize it nicely Mando

]]> By: Mando http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/08/congress-better-start-listening/#comment-19241 Mando Wed, 08 Aug 2007 18:56:28 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/08/congress-better-start-listening/#comment-19241 See... this is why the MJM and the pro-illegal crowds INSIST on calling illegal aliens illegal immigrants. So the pro's can draw the anti's into assinine arguments about immagration. I'd be willing to bet the farm that nobody on this board is anti-immagration. So why the discussion about the pros and cons of immigration? Assimilation takes DECADES/GENERATIONS and is a slow and tender process. That's part of the reason why there's immigration laws - so communities have time to absorb and assimilate. The MELTING pot was the perfect analogy. What's going on now is a MASSIVE influx of illegal aliens. No longer a melting pot, but a pressure cooker. We, as a community, can't handle it. It's not good for racial or cultural relations. It's too much too quick. Has nothing to do with racism or tolerance. It's human nature. We all distrust what we are unfamiliar with. This applies to ALL races and cultures. In small bites, we can digest and adjust but in HUGE doses it's too much to handle. In small bites, we can taste and pick things we enjoy and change our diet accordingly. THAT is assimilation. See… this is why the MJM and the pro-illegal crowds INSIST on calling illegal aliens illegal immigrants. So the pro’s can draw the anti’s into assinine arguments about immagration. I’d be willing to bet the farm that nobody on this board is anti-immagration. So why the discussion about the pros and cons of immigration?

Assimilation takes DECADES/GENERATIONS and is a slow and tender process. That’s part of the reason why there’s immigration laws - so communities have time to absorb and assimilate. The MELTING pot was the perfect analogy. What’s going on now is a MASSIVE influx of illegal aliens. No longer a melting pot, but a pressure cooker. We, as a community, can’t handle it. It’s not good for racial or cultural relations. It’s too much too quick. Has nothing to do with racism or tolerance. It’s human nature. We all distrust what we are unfamiliar with. This applies to ALL races and cultures. In small bites, we can digest and adjust but in HUGE doses it’s too much to handle. In small bites, we can taste and pick things we enjoy and change our diet accordingly. THAT is assimilation.

]]> By: The Patriot http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/08/congress-better-start-listening/#comment-19238 The Patriot Wed, 08 Aug 2007 18:46:09 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/08/congress-better-start-listening/#comment-19238 TH...as far as sending them back...what is the problem? Our economy will be just fine. The businesses that cry are not passing the cost savings of so-called cheap labor to consumers! Funny thing is...I have seen the labor costs that construction companies wanted to charge and the numbers were ridiculous! $100 per hour? That is certainly not what they are paying the local help now are they? TH…as far as sending them back…what is the problem? Our economy will be just fine. The businesses that cry are not passing the cost savings of so-called cheap labor to consumers! Funny thing is…I have seen the labor costs that construction companies wanted to charge and the numbers were ridiculous! $100 per hour? That is certainly not what they are paying the local help now are they?

]]> By: The Patriot http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/08/congress-better-start-listening/#comment-19237 The Patriot Wed, 08 Aug 2007 18:43:45 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/08/congress-better-start-listening/#comment-19237 TH...anchor babies should have NO rights. If the parents are illegal so are they! What do you mean no benefits? The illegals use forged documentation and stolen social security numbers to get benefits! TH…anchor babies should have NO rights. If the parents are illegal so are they! What do you mean no benefits? The illegals use forged documentation and stolen social security numbers to get benefits!

]]> By: TH http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/08/congress-better-start-listening/#comment-19234 TH Wed, 08 Aug 2007 18:36:13 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/08/congress-better-start-listening/#comment-19234 I agree that employers should be held accountable. More shopuld be done about that. in fact I think that should be the main focus of the battles against illegal immigration. Tecnically there are no benefits for illegal aliens. We need to figure out a way address the problems of health insurance for all americans first. American babies regardless the status of their parents have the same rights that any other citizen. Not having those rights will create problems with assimilation. The current immigration laws are a joke and we need to have a realistic approach to an economic reality (scientist shouldn't have a hard time when applying for visas). What do you do with the illegal aliens here? I don't think that people have though about the consequences of either sending them back or giving them amnesty I agree that employers should be held accountable. More shopuld be done about that. in fact I think that should be the main focus of the battles against illegal immigration.
Tecnically there are no benefits for illegal aliens. We need to figure out a way address the problems of health insurance for all americans first. American babies regardless the status of their parents have the same rights that any other citizen. Not having those rights will create problems with assimilation.
The current immigration laws are a joke and we need to have a realistic approach to an economic reality (scientist shouldn’t have a hard time when applying for visas). What do you do with the illegal aliens here? I don’t think that people have though about the consequences of either sending them back or giving them amnesty

]]> By: The Patriot http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/08/congress-better-start-listening/#comment-19228 The Patriot Wed, 08 Aug 2007 18:26:50 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/08/congress-better-start-listening/#comment-19228 TH...you are correct! However, if businesses and government continue to move to bi-lingual practices, there is no incentive to assimilate. TH…you are correct! However, if businesses and government continue to move to bi-lingual practices, there is no incentive to assimilate.

]]> By: The Patriot http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/08/congress-better-start-listening/#comment-19227 The Patriot Wed, 08 Aug 2007 18:24:53 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/08/congress-better-start-listening/#comment-19227 TH...the solution is easier than everyone makes it out to be. 1. Shut down the businesses that hire illegal aliens. What is so hard about this? 2. Cut the social benefits from illegal aliens and anchor babies (welfare, foodstamps, free medical, subsidized housing, etc.). To get these things, you must provide proof of legality. What is so hard about this? 3. Enforce the existing immigration laws. TH…the solution is easier than everyone makes it out to be.
1. Shut down the businesses that hire illegal aliens. What is so hard about this?
2. Cut the social benefits from illegal aliens and anchor babies (welfare, foodstamps, free medical, subsidized housing, etc.). To get these things, you must provide proof of legality. What is so hard about this?
3. Enforce the existing immigration laws.

]]> By: TH http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/08/congress-better-start-listening/#comment-19223 TH Wed, 08 Aug 2007 18:23:05 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/08/congress-better-start-listening/#comment-19223 "TH, when you say government should be in English. Do you mean no interpreters in courts as well?" We have a reality and we need to have those services. what I meant was that successful assimiliation implies that you learn the language of the new society. There are more opportunities for those who master the new country language. Even if you keep watching Telemundo at home, you have to speak English outside. “TH, when you say government should be in English. Do you mean no interpreters in courts as well?”
We have a reality and we need to have those services. what I meant was that successful assimiliation implies that you learn the language of the new society. There are more opportunities for those who master the new country language. Even if you keep watching Telemundo at home, you have to speak English outside.

]]> By: The Patriot http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/08/congress-better-start-listening/#comment-19221 The Patriot Wed, 08 Aug 2007 18:22:11 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/08/congress-better-start-listening/#comment-19221 TH...yes we have. TH…yes we have.

]]> By: The Patriot http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/08/congress-better-start-listening/#comment-19220 The Patriot Wed, 08 Aug 2007 18:21:35 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/08/congress-better-start-listening/#comment-19220 Anon...you must live in Arlington??? Anon…you must live in Arlington???

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