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Virginia A Magnet For Illegal Aliens?

By Greg L | 9 August 2007 | Illegal Aliens, Virginia Politics | 42 Comments

The U.S. Census Department released it’s figures on population growth today, and while folks are talking a lot about Manassas Park becoming a majority-minority jurisdiction, which really isn’t a surprise, nor in itself of much importance (absent a discussion of how illegal aliens may have contributed to this), what hasn’t been discussed are the widespread and dramatic demographic shifts happening elsewhere in Northern Virginia. When you consider that approximately one million illegal aliens are crossing our southern border annually, which dwarfs the number of immigrants legally admitted into the country from Central and South America, the only reasonable conclusion is that a significant component, and perhaps 80% or more of this growth, are illegal aliens.

So where are they going? In a lot of cases they’re coming to these localities:

The 10 counties with a 2006 population above 100,000 that have had the fastest percentage of growth among Hispanics since 2000.

County State % change
Paulding Ga. 236
Henry Ga. 190
Spotsylvania Va. 182
Luzerne Pa. 176
Stafford Va. 172
Loudoun Va. 160
Prince William Va. 150
Frederick Md. 147
Lake Fla. 141
Rutherford Tenn. 138

Source: U.S. Census Department

The only localities on this list in Virginia that have citizen advocacy organizations dedicated to reducing the number of illegal aliens in their areas are Loudoun and Prince William Counties. Can Stafford and Spotsylvania Counties be very far behind? Can they afford to be?

UPDATE: According to Riley, Spotsylvania County at least seems to be moving in that direction, at least on the legislative front.



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42 Comments

  1. Lovell Reiley said on 9 Aug 2007 at 11:03 pm:
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    So, in your usual fashion, you gloss over the one statistic that doesn’t fit well with your argument and your estimate that 80% of the growth is “illegal aliens”:

    The high birthrate among Hispanics accounted for more than half the growth in Hispanics this decade, according to Kenneth Johnson, demographer at the University of New Hampshire’s Carsey Institute.

    Now, I assume that you applaud this reflection of the strong Catholic and evangelical faith of many Hispanic people in the US.

    And, before you go saying that these are all anchor babies, remember that the overwhelming majority of the “illegal aliens” you routinely disparage are men who are here without their families.

  2. anon said on 10 Aug 2007 at 12:23 am:
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    Not only that, “anchor babies” or not…they’re still U.S. citizens and hence NOT ILLEGALS.

    So there goes the theory of 80% of the growth being due to illegal immigration.

    And Greg L of course makes another mathematical error, trying to claim that most of the hispanic immigrants coming to this country are going to VA of all places. Here’s a clue greg, the numbers they are showing you are for the regions that had the greatest PERCENT change, not the regions that had the immigration. Manassas Park has 11,000 people for goodness sakes. Which means that MP had an influx of roughly 4000 immigrants over the period. That’s chump change in relation to the number of people who have come illegally over the same time frame. The number of people who enter the country illegally, or over stay their visas, who come to VA is but a drop in the bucket. VA is hardly a “magnet” for illegals. What you’ve got is a population moving into MP to live in close proximity to the place they work…any guesses where that might be? That’s right folks, good old Loudoun County. One of the fastest growing counties in the country. That’s your magnet for illegals, construction and rich people who need nannies.

    So you want to stop the latinos from “invading your neighborhoods?” talk to the developers and construction companies in Loudoun County who hire them. Better yet, why don’t you talk to Frank Wolf who’s got all the developers in his back pocket anyway. Frank Wolf can talk all the game he wants on immigration and “no amnesty.” but why don’t you tell him to really put his money where his mouth is and advocate for harsh santions against is buddies in the development business?

  3. cominius said on 10 Aug 2007 at 12:34 am:
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    Not only is BVBL distorting statistics for political gain, but BVBL is personally destroying the economy of Mexico. I have proof. No room for a full expose here, but evidence can be found here: (http://blog.virginianfederalist.com/2007/08/virginia-bloggers-destroying-mexican.html

  4. Dolph said on 10 Aug 2007 at 2:46 am:
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    A little late night humor here? What ARE you all smoking here?

  5. fed up said on 10 Aug 2007 at 7:06 am:
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    Anon

    The growth in Virginia is due to illegal immigration. And yes, Virginia is a magnet state because of the construction company. YOu made the point yourself in your ramble.

  6. fed up said on 10 Aug 2007 at 7:09 am:
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    cominius

    if we had the ability to mess up Mexico’s economy we would probably put it to good use.

    Come On!! This is a joke!! the only way mexico would be affected would be if all the immigrants were from Mexico. But I think Anon and TH have spent the better part of two days trying to say that the immigrants are not from Mexico and that we are racists. I guess the argument has just turned against you . Oh. and I am glad Greg’s calculations are defective too.

  7. Manexico Resident said on 10 Aug 2007 at 7:43 am:
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    I remember going to the 7-11 in the mornings…ahh, those were good times.

    Those taquitos must be AWFULLY popular since 7-11 had to hire 15 perfectly legal gentlemen to stand gaurd for the morning rush…then keep some on hand for the day-shift… and keep a few lingering in the evening.

    This blog is no longer about protecting our borders or stopping the systematic abuses subjected upon the American populace.

    It is now about the Taquito Secret Service.

  8. fed up said on 10 Aug 2007 at 7:53 am:
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    LOL
    Manexico, is that what those taqueria trucks are all about? They are spying on us, aren’t they? May be we should have a raid and check what they are carrying in those roach coaches.

  9. Mando said on 10 Aug 2007 at 8:06 am:
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    You know, I think anon has convinced me. We don’t really have a problem with illegal aliens in PWC. It’s just our imagination.

  10. fed up said on 10 Aug 2007 at 8:19 am:
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    Yeah Mando it’s the pollution. You’re not seeing illegal aliens. It’s just particulates.

  11. Bob Sentz said on 10 Aug 2007 at 9:53 am:
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    anon said on 10 Aug 2007 at 12:23 am:
    Here’s a clue greg, the numbers they are showing you are for the regions that had the greatest PERCENT change, not the regions that had the immigration. Manassas Park has 11,000 people for goodness sakes. Which means that MP had an influx of roughly 4000 immigrants over the period. That’s chump change in relation to the number of people who have come illegally over the same time frame.
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    That is very cavalier of you to say ‘That’s chump change…’. It’s not chump cahange to those that have children sitting in trailers because of overcrowding in schools with the children of 4000 ILLEGAL ALIENS. Ok, maybe not all 4000, probably 3985. You seem to not be able to separate the terms ‘Illegal Alien’ and ‘Immigrant.’ Because if you do separate the terms the debate is over.

  12. TH said on 10 Aug 2007 at 10:05 am:
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    “But I think Anon and TH have spent the better part of two days trying to say that the immigrants are not from Mexico and that we are racists”
    I didn’t say that fed up. I said that a lot of the immigrants in the area are salvadoran. Someone else brought the numbers to show that about 40% were Salvadorans.
    I disagreed with you when you use the term Hispanic or Mexican whenever you want to talk about illegal aliens. The hact that you are fighting for your community doesn’t make you a racist, just ignorant. I agree this is the second time I call you ignorant which for me is wrost than racist. A racist has a particular ideology that he follows, an ignorant person just refused to get educated.

  13. Bob Sentz said on 10 Aug 2007 at 10:20 am:
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    TH-A person is ignorant for fighting for his community? THAT is rich! So, if fedup is ignorant, then I suggest you are a moran!

  14. Mando said on 10 Aug 2007 at 10:22 am:
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    “”"The hact that you are fighting for your community doesn’t make you a racist, just ignorant.”"”

    “”"A racist has a particular ideology that he follows, an ignorant person just refused to get educated.”"”

    Fighting for one’s community makes them ignorant? So if we get “educated” we will no longer feel the need to fight for our community?

    I guess I need some clarification.

  15. CC said on 10 Aug 2007 at 10:43 am:
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    At my work we have a problem definition process called the 5 whys. It works like so, say you are always coming in late to work and you want to solve the problem. Ask why you are late to work? because you wake up late. Why do you wake up late? because you go to bed late. Why do you go to bed late? because you hang out with your friends every night and have a few too many drinks. Why do you have too many drinks and stay out so late? Because you lack self discipline when it comes time to say i gotta go home when the rest of your friends want to keep partying. You’ve found your root cause.
    I think the illegal immigration problem has two root causes:
    1-Lack of job growth in the countries of origin.
    2-plentiful jobs here in the US without punishement to employers who hire illegal aliens.

    We can’t control the first, but wherever we can help latin american countries create jobs without exorbitant expense to us is a good idea. For example, Mexico’s economy tanked in the mid 80s because they nationalized all their industries which simply doesn’t work. We stepped in and loaned them some money but also made the loan contingent upon them denationalizing some of their industries to a degree and opening up their markets to foreign investment. Lots of american companies began to create manufacturing plants in mexico and many mexicans who would have come north, were able to find work and stay in mexico.

    We can and should control the second root cause. Punishing employers would dry up the magnet of jobs. Everyone knows this but i dont understand why it seems almost impossible to get any legislation seriously passed and enforced along these lines. I think we can do a 5 whys here to try and identify a root cause here as well. I think a lot of it has to do with people opposed to illegal immigration, focusing almost exclusively on illegal immigrants and the things they don’t like about them. Most of the posters here seem to do that. Its the occasional post that identifies employers as being a big part of the problem and so a root cause is given light treatment. Everybody knows employers are a problem but few get passionate about it. Perhaps because the employers for, the most part, are far removed and faceless. It’s easy to get passionate when you see illegals polluting your neighborhood with trash, or read about them commiting crimes. If that energy isn’t refocused on the employers, its like trimming the green part of weeds in your garden but leaving the roots intact so they easily grow back. Our elected officials DO respond to the people but only when we really hammer them with our attention. For example, the patriot act was released for most of the legislators to read about an hour before it was voted on. When Ron Paul asked the legislators how they could vote on it without reading it, they said ‘the people were clamoring for action, and it was called The Patriot Act. How could we not vote for it?’. Another good example is how so many people responded against the failed immigration bill right before it was voted on. See how people became really passionate about granting amnesty to illegal aliens but not about the employers? If the bill had been to repeal some kind of punishment for employers who hire illegal aliens I highly doubt the reponse would have been the same.

    So how do you refocus energy upon employers? I think one way is education. I’m not sure but i don’t think this web site has any place where we list employers who hire illegals. It might not be a bad idea. Then again some employers don’t really get their work from ordinary citizens. How many construction companies have you directly hired? There could also be a private advocacy group that rates employers based upon whether or not they hire illegals. Maybe one already exists. Employers have a lot of insulation around them. I can’t think of any one single overwhelming way to pierce that insulation. Just my 2cents.

  16. redawn said on 10 Aug 2007 at 11:30 am:
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    http://www.wtopnews.com/?nid=600&sid=1215099

  17. Dolph said on 10 Aug 2007 at 12:08 pm:
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    TH,

    The majority of hispanics in the Manassas area are Salvadoran.

    While people may not divulge their immigration status, they will proudly tell you their country of origin. I have been in a position to have access to this information for a number of years.

    Perhaps you might know something about the relief type visas given to people from El Salvadore because of earthquakes and/or hurricanes. Can you clarify the humanitarian relief granted to some from that country? I believe the visas were renewed last year. Help me out here.

  18. Dolph said on 10 Aug 2007 at 12:23 pm:
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    TH,

    I forgot to include that I totally agree with you about use of terms when referring to Hispanics in general. All Hispanics are not illegal and all those here illegally are not necessarily Hispanic. All hispanics are not Mexican. All illegal immigrants are not Mexican.

    I may slip up in my usage in the heat of the moment or just through carelessness. If and when I do, I expect to be called on it.

    I believe it is important to remain respectful while voicing concerns. When we are not respectful, we weaken our argument. I hope I never become so impassioned that I remove the faces of individuals.

  19. fed up said on 10 Aug 2007 at 12:33 pm:
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    TH youare senile. i have never referred illegals as Mexicans or any other nationalities. Can you keep your replies to what I say? And as far as ignorant, I sincerely doubt it. I have more schooling than most people I know and then some. Why don’t you try to make your argument without resorting to name calling. That is usually what people who don’t have a reply do.

  20. TH said on 10 Aug 2007 at 12:33 pm:
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    People please read what I said: When you ar fighting for your community you are doing a GREAT thing. Most of you are doing that and I don’t consider you racist.
    When people just use namecalling rather than arguments then you are ignorant.
    I never thought for a second that having the pride you have for your community puts you in the racist category.

  21. TH said on 10 Aug 2007 at 12:35 pm:
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    Dolph,
    If a Salvadoran came to the US before 2001 then you got a special permit to work in this country. So, it is very likely that the Salvadorans you see around your community are here legally. It supports my argument that having documents doesn’t translate into assimilation. That is why I think the dabte shouldn’t be just about legal vs. illegal

  22. fed up said on 10 Aug 2007 at 12:36 pm:
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    TH the problem with people who want to win an argument when reality bites them in the ass, is that they have to resort to name calling. Give it up and come up with something intellingent.

    Thank you Bob Senz. I see that fighting to keep your country from falling apart is still considered noble in some quarters.

    And as far as racist. That’s truly laughable. As a half hispanic, I don’t think I have to worry about answering to you about racism.

  23. Bob Sentz said on 10 Aug 2007 at 1:00 pm:
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    TH said on 10 Aug 2007 at 10:05 am:
    “But I think Anon and TH have spent the better part of two days trying to say that the immigrants are not from Mexico and that we are racists”
    I didn’t say that fed up. I said that a lot of the immigrants in the area are salvadoran. Someone else brought the numbers to show that about 40% were Salvadorans.
    I disagreed with you when you use the term Hispanic or Mexican whenever you want to talk about illegal aliens. The hact that you are fighting for your community doesn’t make you a racist, just ignorant. I agree this is the second time I call you ignorant which for me is wrost than racist. A racist has a particular ideology that he follows, an ignorant person just refused to get educated.
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    TH said on 10 Aug 2007 at 12:33 pm:
    People please read what I said: When you ar fighting for your community you are doing a GREAT thing. Most of you are doing that and I don’t consider you racist.
    When people just use namecalling rather than arguments then you are ignorant.
    I never thought for a second that having the pride you have for your community puts you in the racist category.
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    HEY TH-Where in your post dated 10 Aug 2007 at 10:05 am (the one above) do you use the word GREAT?

  24. Jenni said on 10 Aug 2007 at 1:02 pm:
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    This is an email I got yesterday.

    **********************************************************

    ILLEGAL ALIEN “CONTRIBUTIONS” TO THE U.S.

    2006 (First Quarter) INS/FBI Statistical Report on Undocumented Immigrants

    CRIME

    95 % of Warrants in LOS ANGELES are for ILLEGAL ALIENS

    83 % of Warrants for MURDER in Phoenix Arizona are FOR ILLEGAL ALIENS

    86 % of Warrants for MURDER in Albuquerque New Mexico are for ILLEGAL ALIENS

    75 % of those on the most wanted list in Los Angeles, Phoenix, Albuquerque are ILLEGAL ALIENS

    24.9 % OF ALL INMATES in California detention centers are Mexican Nationals here ILLEGALLY

    40.1 % of all inmates in Arizona detention centers are Mexican Nationals here ILLEGALLY

    29 % (630,000) Convicted ILLEGAL ALIENS felons fill our state and federal prisons at the cost of $1.5

    Billion Annually

    53 % Plus of all investigated burglaries reported in California, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona and Texas

    are perpetrated by ILLEGAL ALIENS

    50 % Plus of all gang members in Los Angeles are ILLEGAL ALIENS

    71 % Plus of all apprehended Cars stolen in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada, and California were

    stolen by ILLEGAL ALIENS or “Transport Coyotes ”

    47 % of cited / stopped Drivers in California have NO License, NO Insurance, and NO Registration for the

    vehicle of that 47 %, over 92 % were ILLEGAL ALIENS

    63 % of cited / stopped Drivers in Arizona have NO License, NO Insurance, and NO Registration for the

    vehicle of that 63 %, over 97 % are ILLEGAL ALIENS

    66 % of cited / stopped Drivers in New Mexico have NO License, NO Insurance, and NO Registration for

    the vehicle Of that 66 %, over 98 % were ILLEGAL ALIENS

    BIRTHS

    380,000 Plus “ANCHOR BABIES” were born in the U.S. in 2005 to ILLEGAL ALIEN PARENTS, making 380,000 babies automatically U.S. Citizens 97.2% of all costs incurred from those births were paid for by American taxpayers.

    66 % OF all births in California are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal whose births were paid by taxpayers

    HOUSING

    300,000 plus illegal aliens in Los Angeles Country are living in garages

    Nearly 60 % of all occupants of HUD properties in the United States are illegal aliens.

    TV & RADIO STATIONS

    14 out of 31 TV stations in L.C. are Spanish only16 out of 28 TV stations in Phoenix are Spanish only

    15 out of 24 TV stations in Albuquerque are Spanish only 21 radio stations in Los Angeles are Spanish only

    17 radio stations in Los Angeles are Spanish only 17 radio stations in Albuquerque are Spanish only

    SCHOOLS

    34% plus of Arizona students in grades 1-12 are illegal aliens and 24% plus are non-English speaking

    39% plus of California students in grades 1-12 are illegal aliens and 42% plus are non-English speaking

    In Los Angeles County, 5.1 million people speak English - 3.9 million speak Spanish

    SOCIAL SERVICES

    43 % of all Food Stamps issued are to illegal aliens

    41 % of all Unemployment Checks in the United States are to illegal aliens

    58 % of all Welfare payments in the United States are issued to illegal aliens

    Less than 2 % of illegal aliens are picking crops but 41 % are on welfare

    POPULATION

    Over 70% of the U.S. annual population growth (and over 90% of CA, FL, and NY) results from immigration

    EMPLOYER PROFITS

    The estimated profit to U.S. corporations and businesses employing illegal aliens in 2005 was more than 2.36 trillion

    TAXES

    62 % of all “undocumented immigrants” in the U.S. are working for cash and not paying taxes, predominantly illegal aliens are working without a green card

    The cost of immigration to the American taxpayer in 1997 (last known calculation by Professor Donald Huddle, Rice University) was a NET (after subtracting taxes immigrants pay), $70 Billion per year. [What are the 2006 costs?]

    The lifetime fiscal impact (taxes paid minus services used) for the average illegal alien is $55,000 cost to the American taxpayer in a 5-year span. You personally pay $11,000 every year to illegal aliens.

    JOBS (per Center for Immigration Studies - September 2006): Between 2000 and 2005, 4.1 million immigrant workers arrived in the U.S., accounting for 86% of the net increase in the total number of employed persons (16 & older), the highest share ever recorded in the U.S. Of the 4.1 million, between 1.4 and 2.7 million are estimated to be illegal aliens. Also, between 2000 and 2005, the number of young (16 to 34) native-born men employed declined by 1.7 million - at the same time, the number of new male immigrant workers increased by 1.9 million. [Do you still believe the gov’t employment rate stats?]

    ACTION: Please share this data with elected officials, particularly those who spew the PCBS about all the “contributions of illegal aliens to our society” AND “our economy would collapse without them”! However, NONE of this will matter IF our borders are not secured OR Pres. Bush succeeds in abolishing them (via his SPP, NAU, NAFTA Hwy), and illegal alien murders, drug smugglers and terrorists continue to be welcomed into our country

  25. Dolph said on 10 Aug 2007 at 1:22 pm:
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    TH,

    What was the renewal of work permits I read about last year? Was that not an extension for Salvadorans? Truthfully, the entire topic of visas, permits, documents as they relate to immigration is so mind-boggling to me that I steer away from legal vs illegal.

    My government has failed to do its job. It has not controlled immigration. In my opinion, what we have now is passive, silent amnesty. It was difficult to squawk about ‘that damn amnesty bill’ when that is exactly what we have now, only with fewer restrictions.

  26. Manexico Resident said on 10 Aug 2007 at 2:40 pm:
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    To CC:

    Great post!!! That one really should be recieving the attention now devoted elsewhere.

  27. OpenStormDoor said on 10 Aug 2007 at 2:55 pm:
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    Speaking of overcrowding in schools… has anyone seen how many trailers have been recently set up at Yorkshire Elementary School. There’s easily 15 trailers being set up for the new school year that were not there at the end of the last school session. The kid’s basketball court and then some is now gone. That’s a lot of growth!

  28. Dolph said on 10 Aug 2007 at 3:08 pm:
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    OpenStormDoor,

    I was dumbfounded when I saw those trailers. You do not exaggerate. Coming up Yorkshire Drive, you cannot even see the school.

    I would say that is a rather severe impact on county schools!

    Dolph

  29. park'd said on 10 Aug 2007 at 6:30 pm:
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    Yes, I too shook my head in disgust a few weeks back when I saw them there. Explosive growth and no money to pay for more illegal children. I guess that means my real estate taxes are going up again…

    The MP Treasurer will be getting a major ear full from me in person if my taxes go up again to pay for illegals. All MP residents here need to show up in person there with me and demand an accounting as to where they are spending the money. I am all for paying my share into the system to pay for the education of a child citizen of this country, but I will be damned if I pay one more red cent to subsidize the education of a bunch of ungrateful illegals, which as any recent data shows, will most likely drop out anyway. Better prepare for me Mr. Adamson, because I am your worst nightmare when I feel that I am taking the shaft.

    Everyone here who lives in the park also needs to run recent comps in December to compare to your next city real estate tax assessment in January. If I don’t see a significant drop in value from the city that compares to the plummeting home values in my neighborhood then I will be refuting the bill. Everyone here HAS to do the same. They are taking our money and funneling it into Taj Mahal style projects and setting fire to it in the form of massive ESOL programs and services/support for illegals. Not on my watch. Not anymore.

  30. TH said on 10 Aug 2007 at 6:44 pm:
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    Fed Up Why do you have to insist that I called you racist? Again I think that the fact that you are educated doesn’t mean that you know everything. I insist that your comments doesn’t show racism just ignorance.
    You can read what I have said before about assimilation or defending your community. This is not the first time I have said it.

  31. Lafayette said on 11 Aug 2007 at 9:17 am:
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    Open Storm Door/Dolph
    I’ve tried checking PWCPS website, and had no luck. I think Yorkshire Elem. is being renovated and/or added on to. The county acquired several properties along Yorkshire Ln. last year. Does anyone know or have children attending that school?

  32. Dolph said on 11 Aug 2007 at 9:41 am:
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    Maybe they are adding on to it. It has been renovated fairly recently I believe. Maybe the community relations office would have that information.

  33. me said on 11 Aug 2007 at 9:43 am:
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    Lafayette / Dolph

    They are building a whole new school on the site while keeping the existing school open. The trailers were on the site for years (growing in numbers over the years of course). They had to relocate the trailers as the construction begins on the new school. The trailers were previously located further into the property and closer to the school.

  34. Rick Bentley said on 11 Aug 2007 at 10:04 am:
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    Do illegal aliens really have the right to rally and march in our streets? I would say no. Illegal aliens, citizens of other nations, should not be involved in our political process.

    Ideally the upcoming protests against the PWC resolution should be undertaken only by citizens and residents - not illegals.

    I say this not because I have any hope illegals will be prevented from protesting, but because it is a good thought to plant in people’s minds - hey these “protesters” include many people who are actually citizens of other nations, why are they marching here? It undermines the effect of the protest.

  35. Lafayette said on 11 Aug 2007 at 10:40 am:
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    me
    Thanks for the details. I knew they’e had a bunch of trailers in back of the school for a few years now.

  36. Dolph said on 11 Aug 2007 at 11:36 am:
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    Me,

    Thanks for the info. I could not even see the school when I went by. I didn’t know what to think.

  37. Anonymous said on 12 Aug 2007 at 12:37 am:
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    I always check out emails that purport to be factual but appear to be a bit too good to be true on www.snopes.com.

    Here’s what snopes has to say about the “statistics” on the costs of illegal immigration … the data appear to have been gleaned from a variety of sources and vary in accuracy, http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/taxes.asp

    Among other things, Snopes reports that Huddle (widely quoted by anti-immigration and anti-illegal immigration forces) was paid to do his study by a group seeking major reductions in legal immigration. Later studies have criticized his methodology and reached different results.

    One thing is clear. The federal government’s increasing practice of establishing unfunded mandates and devolving responsibility to state and local governments without funding and Virginia’s law limiting the ability of localities to raise revenues are significant factors in the stress localities feel … the economic benefits of immigration are flowing upstream (i.e., tax revenues are going to the federal government and then the state government) while the demand for services (including programs needed to assimilate lawful immigrants like ESL and civic education for adults) remains largely at the local level.

    One good example of this is the fact (reported in a good article in the Winchester paper today) that the feds pay for the detention of criminal aliens only when they have been convicted of two misdemeanors or one felony and served more than 4 days and, because the President routinely zeroes out the State Criminal Alien Assistance Program in his budget, many localities receive no reimbursement at all (national average is estimated to be 25% of costs).

    And, where the detention is for civil immigration violations (i.e., where the localities volunteer to do the federal government’s job) or for a first misdemeanor offense, there is no federal funding available at all to pay these costs of the failed federal immigration system.

    So, those advocating increased local law enforcement efforts to step up detentions should recognize that local budget priorities will need to be adjusted to meet the increased costs of the program.

    One final note about sovereignty and the reality of the way the 287g program works … under the program, local law enforcement officials are supervised by federal ICE officers while doing immigration enforcement and are not subject to local supervision even though they remain local employees. But, in classic fashion, any liability for their screw ups (including civil rights violations) remains with the locality. Local officers are authorized under 287g agreements to do the federal government’s paperwork, i.e., to “prepare” detainers and other paper work necessary to initiate the removal/deportation process, but they have no authority to sign the papers … that’s in the discretion of federal ICE officers … as is the decision whether and when to transfer a detainee to a federal facility.

  38. TH said on 12 Aug 2007 at 3:26 pm:
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    Thanks Anonymous! Finally we see where these numbers come from. Patriot here is the source of your numbers!!!!!

  39. TH said on 12 Aug 2007 at 3:40 pm:
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    Dolph,
    The permits get renewed every year or so. The company who rebuilt the Pentagon after the 9/11 attacks employed a lot of Salvadorans with this permit. Donald Rumsfeld even posed in a picture with all of them.
    I am not saying that this are good people. I am saying that when people are given a chance to earn their living legally they go to work and contribute to this economy.
    It is not only for the Salvadorans there are a lot of countries that got them Liberia was fighting lately to get the permit renewed. Their citizens have had that permit since 1991.

  40. Dolph said on 12 Aug 2007 at 7:26 pm:
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    TH,

    Thanks for the info.

  41. ateacher said on 13 Aug 2007 at 10:16 pm:
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    I work for a school. Last year the admin decided that every teacher needed to pack and move rooms. It took me four weeks and my own money to buy boxes, pack, and tape. The contents of my room have been moved two doors down the hall. I just received a notice from my admin that I have 40 hours beginning on 8/20, to unpack, arrange my classroom, and break down the boxes. Apparently I need to have this done prior to my contracted teacher workdays that begin 8/26. As of 8/26 I am required to attend meetings. However I am not permited to move any furniture that might scrape the floors. To move furniture, I must sign up with the sole custodian, and only he may move it as his schedule requires. One custodian and 75 teachers for 40 hours..you do the math. So I can spend the last 40 hours of my vac time struggling to do piecemeal work, or I can hire two day laborers and get it done in a day…without scraping floors. My husband is all for the hiring of others, that way I actually do not have to spend the last of my vac working outside my contract, and can spend them however with my children.

  42. Dolph said on 14 Aug 2007 at 11:08 am:
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    Ateacher,

    Which cheap-a** school system do you work for? Good grief. The admin sounds like the custodian(s) have him/her really ‘whipped.’ I am outraged on your behalf.

    It also sounds like you might just work for the world’s dumbest administrator. Penny wise and pound foolish. What does he/she think all the little dears are going to do to those sacred floors?

    I would hire a couple of kids from last year to move things around and then remember to put in for a transfer come spring time. You work for an idiot.

    Let us know the school system. Remember there is strength in numbers.
    Don’t tell the specific school, just the system.

    Dolph

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