Sir, you should DEFINITELY consider joining one the “Help Save” groups. Your insight and input would be invaluable!

I dont think you should call illegal immigrants ‘undocumented.’ I have never told you how to speak. I think you should call them what you want to call them and let others do the same.

Surely you can understand why I, a citizen by birth, descendant of both ffv’s and immigrants, resent being told what words I am to use and not use on a blog. I could understand it if I were being obscene or using ethnic slurs. However, this is not the case.

And homosexual Marxists. Go home commie, die die die!!!

maybe your Frustration(sexual) is beacuse you are confused

I was born in the US. So were my parents. So were my grand-parents. After that, I don’t really know although I suspect that my family’s American born status goes back a few more generations.

Let me give you a belated, “Welcome to the United States!”.

Legal immigrants such as you are crucial to the American economy and are a major factor in preserving the American “way of life”. The US must continue to allow legal immigration from many countries in an organized and logical manner. It may always be difficult to become a legal resident or citizen of the US. However, nothing really good is ever easy.

Illegal immigration, however, must be stopped. For one thing, it devalues the efforts made by people like yourself to gain legal entry into the US. There are many other reasons.

My only disagreement with many of those who post on this site is how to stop illegal immigration. I’d rather use the ballot box than the protest sign. In Fairfax County we have an exceptional police department. However, like all police departments, they lack the money required to enforce every misdemeanor. So, they prioritize the types of crimes they enforce starting with the most violent and working their way down the list to lesser offences. All they need is for the politicians in the county to raise the priority of enforcement of anti loitering, bunk house, harassment, etc. violations to put a reasonable cap on the problems caused by illegal immigrants. That cap will last until November 2008 when we can vote out the idiots at the federal level who allowed this problem to arise.

Once again, “Welcome”.

That is me “speaking”. Me, legal immigrant fed up from Europe. I have never broken the law, I have always paid my taxes, I have always worked and I even got one of my degrees here. I have never tried to use the system or get anything for free. I have never asked for anything and never got anything for free. I have never tried to raise chickens in my backyard and my husband does not piss on buildings. I have never tried to reenter the country illegally and have always observed immigration rules.

When I was fifteen, I went to Consulate in Naples, whose jurisdiction I was under. I was given a blood test, an xray and a gynecological exam to screen for TB, venereal diseases or any disease that they deemed a threat to the United States. I was givena preliminary test in the English Language. I was also asked what my intentions were once in the United States. Although my mother had a very successful business she founded in New York, she had to sign to the fact that I would not be a burden to this country.

Please do not tell me about “documentation.” Remember, I am the one whose mother was an american citizen who adopted me. It is offensive to any and all who have gone through the lenghty and onerous process of legal immigration to hear people call illegal immigrants, law breakers, “undocumented.”

Now, can you please tell me why I should call illegal immigrants undocumented? There is no reason, other than to soften the ugly reality that is illegal immigration.

Go after the employers, the politician and the administration that is allowing this travesty instead of splitting words with law abiding citiizens.

That is your perception. And that’s ok, if you are the one speaking. However, not everyone has the same take on the semantics. People here illegally generally do not speak English, much less read it, so I see the issue of nomenclature as unimportant. As I have said, some people here work in jobs where conveying neutrality in speech is demanded.

To me, ‘undocumented’ means not having the proper documents one needs to be legally in this country. I will continue to use the terms interchangeably. It certainly does not mean I support anyone being in this country illegally.

I agree and may I add a little quote of my own:

“Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose your were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself.”
Mark Twain

I have lived in both Mexico (Mexico City) and Brazil (Sao Paulo). In both cases I had all the visas and legal documentation required to live and work in those countries. In both cases I was working under contract to a government controlled company. So please don’t lecture me about my lack of knowledge.

I had to learn and speak Spanish in order to operate in Mexico City. While people in hotels and the most expensive restaurants catered to tourists and foreign businessmen by speaking English, most people did not. I was in Mexico. If I wanted lunch I had to order in Spanish.

US foreign policy had little or nothing to do with the economic meltdowns in Mexico. It was internal corruption, childish economic policy and a class system where the rich stayed super rich and the poor stayed destitute. I have also done significant business in India and China. These countries have actually copied many aspects of the economic approach used by the United States and other capitalist countries. And guess what? They have fast growing economies, rising standards of living and citizens who can find jobs in their own countries. No - the failures of many countries in Latin America are fully the responsibility of the corrupt and incompetent governements of those countries.

And the failure of the US immigration policy is fully the responsibility of the corrupt and incompetent politicians we have elected here.

Advocator is right. It’s time to “throw the bums out”. Not only the illegal aliens but also the Federal politicians who let this problem arise. And it should be a federal issue, not a state and local issue. The localities have had to act in place of the federal government due to the incompetence of Congress. Unfortunately, since this is Constitutionally a federal issue, local actions are unlikely to hold up in any case where they conflict with action taken by the federal government (if and when those clowns ever actually take any action).

In the meantime, I believe that loud rhetoric that could be perceived as racist or confrontational protests are contrary to the effort to get rid of the illegal aliens. The better alternative is to quietly push the police to enforce the laws that already exist, maintain a strict policy of differentiating between illegal aliens and legal foreign born workers and (most of all) demand serious prosecution of the people who hire illegal aliens.

As the “good Teddy” (i.e., Roosevelt) once said:

“Walk softly (between now and election day) but carry a big stick (to bash each and every incumbent on election day).”

re: ‘Undocumented immigrant’

What possible difference does it make? Please be aware that some people here have jobs where they must use more neutral terminology.

Is an undocumented immigrant more legal than an illegal alien or an illegal immigrant? No.

Let’s not get into a spitting contest over semantics.

Here is my response to your ‘inflammation’ tactic.

I would like to believe that enough Americans would be current with world news to realize that people like Equal Opportunists are not trying to edify or better the dialogue. His rantings are nothing more than a veiled threat.

first of all, Guatemalans and Salvadoreans are only a small percentage of illegals coming to the US. In terms of the total illegal population and our “campaign” in those countries, the argument is moot.

in addition, please realize that there are a drove of illegal immigrants in Europe from central and south america where they are wreaking havoc, just as they are here. Dear Equal Opportunists have you been to Italy, France, Belgium, Germany and other EU countries? And what makes you think that you need a degree in sociology and anthropolgy to recognize that illegal immigrants are undermining this country?

I am tired of the rethoric that would want to prostrate and genuflect to the bs that people like Equal Opportunist dishes out. We do not have to feel guilty about anything. We have supported financially hafl of the world and we do not need to take the bs that these apologists are throwing in our face.

the citizens’ reaction is due to the disrispect, the arrogance and the illegals dealings of illegal aliens. It is that very attitude which is thrown in our face which makes us recoil. It is not racism or ill will. It is a natural defence mechanism, which every human being experiences when their life and existence is at stake. Many illegal immigrants are bullies, they threaten us in the streets, they try to scare our children in the schools, they piss on buildings and catcall women of every age, forget sixteen. I had to tell them off since my daughter was 11. I have no remorse or guilt about wanting to enforce the laws.

It is the very attitude of defiance, or arrogance, the marxist rethorice which is causing the backlash. Stop blaming “whitey” and take a good look at yourselves. This country has helped millions of people from every walk of life for decades. We are a hospitable country. But we are fed up with the insults, with the unlawful behavior, and with people who want to destabilize our country and change our way of life forever.

Disgusted: The alien apologists, the media (who aren’t paying attention) and the orgs (who incite fear with their lies to legal immigrants), are justifying their existence by misrepresenting what the resolution says. The article doesn’t mention that 287(g) IS a federal program, that we as a locality are simply enforcing existing laws, and that police are not going to be detaining anyone because of their color (or do latinos intend to keep breaking laws?). Those “helpful” groups are doing a disservice to both legals and illegals with their “myth and half-truths” as Equal puts it.

You have told us you are here to inflame. Why?

Secondly, what do you feel is a responsible solution? Let’s just cut to the chase.

“To those illegal alien apologists who steadfastly refuse to grasp that citizens have real and legitimate concerns here, you are throwing away any opportunity to contribute to the solutions we need. You can either join with those trying to develop responsible solutions here, or be crushed under the wave of public outrage that you see being expressed, albeit immoderately, here. You are doing nothing but inflaming the debate, and adding to the chorus of those who actively oppose your position.”

First off, I never denied that there were some citizens with some legitimate concerns. However, wshere we seem to differ is in reaching a logical and responsible solution.

Second off, I am not intimidated by the the so called, “wave of public outrage.” If I inflame the debate, well that is exactly my purpose. Why you ask? Because just as Socrates felt it was neccessary to create a tension in the mind so that the individuals could rise from the bondage of myth and half-truths to the realm of creative analysis and objective appraisal. Contrary to what you think Greg L, it is my belief that this type of “tension,” will help men rise from the dark depth of prejudices to the majestic heights of understanding and brotherhood.

I am a human-being before anything else, that goes for being American as well.

Tell me first where it’s OK to break the law

The more “opinion” you get slammed out there in the “unbiased media” the better. Time we go to war against law breakers, and facilitators…..the media. ! + 1 = 2 PERIOD

And YES, YOU CAN KISS MY OGLED ASS on that one!