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Manassas Park: They’re “Illegal Citizens”
By Greg L | 19 August 2007 | Illegal Aliens, Manassas Park | 130 Comments
While every reporter in the area felt a burning desire to contact me in regards to the latest report from the U.S. Census Department, the City of Manassas Park is apparently miffed that no news outlet anywhere felt it worthwhile to contact any members of their governing board. So on the agenda of their next meeting of the Governing Board, there’s supposed to be some discussion about what to do about this report. I can just imagine what that statement would look like, if they don’t take “Option B: Do nothing” (the usual response), based on the “issues” that the city staff has discovered.
Here’s the hit parade of inanity, courtesy of the illegal alien apologist that currently run Manassas Park:
The large cultural influx has been falsely correlated with the (sic) illegal immigration. The Census figures are NOT a report on the number of illegal citizens. Illegal citizens are not likely the ones that want to be counted in a government census.
Similar false correlations have been made in our Country’s history relative other ethnic groups.
Diversity is a strength.
A formal dialogue (sic) on the topic of illegal immigration would be a proactive response.
The City is listening to dialogue (sic) and is in a fact finding phase.
Some media pieces quote non-Manassas Park-residents about this issue as it relates to Manassas Park.
Let’s just take these one at a time, shall we?
The census department figures do not distinguish between illegal aliens and legal residents and citizens of hispanic ethnicity, which is a more accurate characterization. Given that it seems that 2/3 of all persons entering the country are doing so illegally, according to U.S. Government figures, it is pathetic to suggest that illegal aliens do not comprise a significant portion of the immigrant community in Manassas Park. Is the park somehow special in that no illegal aliens choose to reside there, and instead are concentrated elsewhere? No, there is clearly a significant component of the population shifts in Manassas Park that is related to the presence of illegal aliens, which is substantiated in this case by overwhelming anecdotal evidence. To pretend there is no illegal alien problem in Manassas Park is utter governmental malfeasance.
On the second point, associating any specific ethnic group with the problem of illegal aliens in the United States is inaccurate. Every national group, every ethnic group, every means of differentiating population groups you can imagine is contributing to the illegal alien problem, and from a national perspective saying this is a problem exclusively with those coming from Central and South America is something that no one to my knowledge, who is being reasonable in this debate, has suggested. But in our country’s history, I’d be interested to learn what ethnic groups in the past have been associated specifically with the problem of illegal aliens. Has anyone credibly pointed out that we’ve had large numbers of illegal aliens from Canada in our past? Or from Lichtenstein? I’d be fascinated to see them substantiate this straw man argument.
The “diversity is strength” statement, which is always accepted uncritically in liberal circles, is patently ridiculous. Unity is strength. The areas where there’s “diversity” seems to be at it’s highest, such as in the former Yugoslavia, seem to have significant problems with realizing this sort of “strength”, and in fact are some of the most fractious and violence-prone places on the planet. While this happy little slogan attracts those bowing before the altar of multi-culturalism, not one study has ever proven this, and those that have intended to do so have demonstrated the opposite. Creating unity — “E Plurbius Unum” — bringing from many, one, is what brings our nation strength. Appreciating the “diversity” of having large numbers of illegal aliens in a community is something I really doubt the majority of voters in Manassas Park are willing to tolerate, in fact. This is disturbingly reminiscent of “War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength“, from George Orwell.
To the extent that the city is listening to dialog, it is because Help Save Manassas made a friendly plea to the Governing Board a few weeks ago, and in response four members of the governing board pretty much refused to address the problem. Now their “fact finding”, which is apparently happening under the same secrecy provisions as their so-called “quiet and effective approach to illegal aliens” and has never been previously mentioned, is working to figure out the problem. Folks, just start walking around the “old section” of the park, and knock on a few doors. If your ears aren’t burning within an hour, it’s only because you chose to don fire protective equipment before you started your walk. You’ll have more facts than you wish you’d have ever known.
That news media is choosing to talk to folks other than the Governing Board should be an indication of the level of distrust the media has about getting truthful information from them. Since Help Save Manassas has more members in it’s organization from Manassas Park than any other organization, it’s pretty natural that the media would want to talk to me regarding immigration issues in the area. Talking to the Manassas Park Governing Board on this issue is only going to result in getting inane comments about “illegal citizens.”
And just what in the heck are “illegal citizens?” Those that the current Governing Board will be provided with the right to vote in the next municipal elections, since the “legal citizens” aren’t likely to return this bunch to power while they continue to be complicit in the destruction of this previously wonderful jurisdiction. “Citizen”, by definition, is someone eligible to vote, right?
The next Governing Board meeting is Tuesday, August 21st. If you’re a Manassas Park resident, you might want to come and help the Governing Board understand a thing or two. They desperately are in need of a dose of reality from their constituents.
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GREG, I’VE SAID IT BEFORE NUMEROUS TIMES IN MULTIPLE THREADS: PLEASE, PLEASE MAKE IT A PRIORITY TO INFORM THIS BLOG WHEN THESE CLOWNS ARE UP FOR RE-ELECTION. THEY NEED TO BE VOTED OUT AND REPLACED WITH PEOPLE WHO WILL ACT ASAP. THANKS, AND SORRY FOR THE CAPS BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU SEE AND RESPOND TO IT THIS TIME.
I would love to hear some of the true stories coming from the legal residents in Manassas Park area about their experiences living with illegal aliens and the overcrowding issues.
There are probably quite a few legal residents that aid and abet illegal alien family members/friends.
The strength in diversity is illogical. Look at a sports team. If the players on the same team operated using different communications methods (multiple languages) and different playbooks (catering to their unique perspectives)during a single game…how successful would they be against a team whose players operate using a single language and the same playbook? I think we all know the answer!
Song of the day: WHAT’S GOING ON? (4 non blondes )
2nd song of the day: We’re Not Gonna Take It (Twisted Sister)
John, you beat me too it…lol!
Diversity is strength, not!
Harvard professor Robert Putnam has exhaustively shown that diversity breeds lack of trust in society. Not only lack of trust in other ethnic groups, but lack of trust in your own ethnic group. (I speculate that this latter lack of trust is due to being unwilling to express your own feelings to anyone for fear of being labeled as a racist.)
Anyway, even if one does not have this feeling, Putnam’s findings are a powerful reason for any elected community leader, interested in the welfare of his electorate, to seek to lower the level of immigration. Especially illegal immigration which carries a particularly bad message, the message that ignoring the law is OK.
What kills me about these pro-diversity arguments is that they argue in favor of diversity for the sake of diversity itself. There is some benefit of added viewpoints in any situation, yes, but only if everyone is working towards the same end. People who refuse to assimilate, to abide by our laws, or to live in the spirit of “E Pluribus Unum” have decidedly different goals than legal citizens. Why precisely would having these individuals benefit Manassas Park? I only ask because I live here, and I see no boon to be gained from Mayor Jones’ description. Perhaps he can enlighten me…
Park’d- Help Save Manassas and I’m sure BVBL will definitely let Manassas Park residents know when the elections are, which I believe are in November of ‘08. HSM will also educate the residents on the position of candidates regarding illegal aliens in the community. You have not been forgotten nor will we let this matter drop just because your elected officials have the “do nothing” approach.
We may be able to turn this around on Tuesday evening if there are enough citizens at the City Council meeting, expressing their outrage at the inaction of their elected officials.
Go Manassas Park!!!!!
Generally, diversity is a strength. It fuels evolution. It is the opposite of inbreeding. In teams, it enables them to think through a greater selection of possibilities and alternative solutions.
But diversity in terms of whether to follow the law or not is hardly a strength.
And, the problem with the wave of illegals coming through currently is that they are not diverse - they are mostly uneducated poor with limited skill sets, who can only take certain jobs, jobs that could be done by Americans in the first place.
Park’d,
In one of the comments above, I think I’ve just found one of your potential candidates to replace the clowns in Manassas Park government — Rob Smalls.
Well said Mr. Smalls!
Rick,
Well put. That is certainly an interesting twist on a rather tired way of looking at things. And you are definitely correct.
Do these MP council members have real jobs in the day or do they get paid full time to be on the council? This goes for the mayor too? I am just trying to fathom why it would not be in their interest to start taking some proactive steps on this issue. Perhaps since 75% of the park is now Hispanic, they feel that the loss in real estate tax revenue would be too great. Perhaps they don’t want to start an open war on the streets by enforcing an us vs. them mentality? They must have a reason for looking the other way at an illegal alien takeover. I just wish I knew what it was.
Hey John Light,
Lafayette called and said “Blow my fuse” KIXX….afternoon song! ROCK ON!
“Do these MP council members have real jobs in the day or do they get paid full time to be on the council? This goes for the mayor too?”
Yes, they have real jobs during the day. Jones, in fact, is “hatched” since he works for the Federal government and therefore cannot run as a Republican again. Bunner works for the DC police. Kassinger works for the US Dept. of Treasury.
I have no idea what the rest of them do for a living.
3rd song of the day: “Afternoon Delight,’ by Starland Vocal Band. In honor of the “working girl” illegals.
and the night song: ac/dc shook me all night?
DOUBT she kept her motor clean………
Listen up guys,
In your zeal for getting rid of illegal aliens you are forgetting that most of them have U.S. born children who are citizens of this country. You can’t deny them that. They are growing up seeing what is being done to their parents. They will mobilize. They will vote. Some of them will even get elected to office. This is not about a breaking-the-law-issue for them. It’s about families being separated. And they will not forget what people like you are doing to break-up families. Leave the law aside and try to think of it on a human-level. This issue will come back when these children grow up and become active members of society. And they won’t forget you.
In most cases families will not be seperated - the kids will go back with the parents.
Meanwhile, that 14th Amendment needs to be brought before the Supreme Court for definitive interpretation. It seems rather obvious it has been interpreted in a way wholly inconsistent with Congress’ intent at the time.
True Confed: Nobody twisted their parents’ arms to come here now did they? How about these kids put the real blame where it lies; with their parents. I don’t see you warning us about the children of bank robbers that we send to jail. Maybe a man robbed a bank to pay the electric bill and had honorable motives like taking care of his family when he committed this crime. Perhaps we shouldn’t send him to jail because it might break up his family and his kids may in turn vote for lawlessness in the future. Give me a break…
The only human-level thinking that needs to be done now is on the part of these illegal parents for putting themselves in such a terrible position.
Clean ‘07,
Thanks for the kind words.
True Confed,
While illegal aliens having U.S.-born children who are in fact citizens is problematic to some, I have no illusions about whether or not that should impact enforcement of existing immigration laws. The answer is an emphatic “NO”. We do not make significant enforcement exceptions to other lawbreakers on the provision that they have children; the exceptions we make to illegal aliens on behalf “of the children” only fuels the problems we currently face. True, they (the children) are citizens, as they were born on American soil. However, that does not relieve their parents of abiding our laws. Lack on enforcement on the grounds of their childrens’ citizenship is indifference at best and complicity at worst.
True confed,
The parents knew what they where doing and continue to do it. Has anyone heard of planned parenthood? THINK before you have them. THEY ARE THE ONES TAKING TO RISK TO BE SEPERATED!!!!!!!!!!! The kids can go back with them.
I’ll tip my hat to the new constitution / Take a bow for the new revolution / Smile and grin at the change all around / Pick up my guitar and play / Just like yesterday / Then I’ll get on my knees and pray / We don’t get fooled again!
We don’t hold children hostage. They are free to go with their parents.
Rick, I think it will probably take a constitutional amendment to correct the wording of the 14th amendment. Unfortunately, it says what it says. The Supremes wont help us on this one….
Speaking of the Supremes…Baby love…my baby love…(for all you song birds out there)
Smack smack. Bad Dolph!
I’d recommend “We don’t get fooled again” as the Republican Party’s theme song.
Interesting quotes:
” ‘diversity’ — nowadays, the first refuge of intellectually disreputable impulses” – George Will (2007).
“In the long run, the world is going to have the best, and any difference in race, religion, or previous history will not long keep the world from what it wants.” Booker T. Washington, circa 1901.
illegal aliens= the song that never ends?……
Rick Bentley, I am curious what makes you think Congress did not intend what is stated in the first clause of the 14th Amendment:
1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
In other words, how do you feel that that extraordinarily explicit guarantee of birthright citizenship in the United States has been misinterpreted ? Exactly what do you suppose that Congress intended if it didn’t intend the above? The Amendment was passed in response to slavery and at a time of free, open, and mass immigration, as well as violent anti-immigration rhetoric and action by nativists. Obviously you can’t link Congress’s intent to any condition in present-day America, only in the historical time of the Amendment. So how is their intent being violated?
You may not like the fact that the US has birthright citizenship. I for one think it is one of the most progressive things about our country, in contrast to many European nations for example. But even if you don’t like it, I don’t see where you can say that the Congress *of the time*, and all the ratifying state legislatures, intended anything other than what is explicitly stated.
It is scary sometimes how the hatred in your movement makes so many of you so eager to remove civil rights enshrined in this country’s most sacred document.
“All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof”
Therefore, in order to be a citizen, under this rule, TWO things MUST be true.
“born or naturalized in the United States”
AND
“subject to the jurisdiction thereof”
What makes someone subject to the jurisdiction thereof?
Now now Leila. You know you are my favorite pro-amnesty supporter, but let’s not sink into the racism and hatred charges again. I thought we moved past that a while ago.
Leila,
When people who are law breakers know how to work the system by having kids…that is a major problem that must be dealt with. Oh yes…they know exactly what they are doing.
The kids can go back to the homeland (just like Elian…remember him)? He is probably doing just fine back in Cuba.
The kids can come back with their parents legally if they want to. Now that would be a great lesson for the kids! The parents would be setting a good example by abiding the law and going back to the homeland and then coming back legally. What is wrong with that? NOTHING!
As for real jobs - Seems like a lot of commentators here don’t have real jobs, or they are getting paid (without the bosses’ knowledge) for writing non-productive e-mails during normal working hours.
Lovisa, ever heard of a lunch break? What about you?
Lovisa, while we are on the topic…I am sure you never receive cell phone calls or landline calls that are personal during work either right?
Ooohhh–Leila is scared.
new use for free Walmart stickers: stop the leak on the illegal mule instead of the kids playing pin the tail on the donkey while in the back of their heads having to worry about mommy and daddy getting deported.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chicago/chi-elvira_web.1aug20,0,5377709.story
Now this is what I am talking about! We need to see much more of this.
Park’d, sorry if the words offended you. I, for one, am offended by aspersions cast on the 14th Amendment. I do find the term very commonly used in your movement, “anchor baby,” a term of hatred. I have seen it used in conjunction with all the other similar terms that signal that…eg. animals, breeding, spawn, etc. But I am open to being proved wrong.
Anonymous, I am not sure I understand your question regarding jurisdiction. Illegal aliens’ American born children are the subject. They are citizens by birth and have not broken any laws living here. Jurisdiction in the United States applies to anyone here, citizen or not, legal or not. The only exception I know of is embassies and, in many cases, their personnel, since embassies I believe are technically foreign soil.
Patriot, do you honestly believe that every illegal alien woman who has ever had a baby in the United States did so to “work the system” as you say? I don’t doubt that has occurred, but I also believe that most illegal aliens in the United States have children for the same reason most people do. I think it dehumanizes them to think otherwise. Also, if the crackdown you all so firmly desire is really around the corner, then those children will not be of any protection whatsoever to their parents.
Perfectly legal here, Lovisa. I have paid my dues for many years. Now I get to be non-productive.
Monticup, apparently you have a very literal, personified interpretation of the common phrase “it’s scary.” But I will admit to being concerned about the Constitution. To me it is the center of what being an American is about.
Leila, unfortuneately many illegal alien women do have kids to serve as “anchors”. If it wasn’t a big problem…the term “anchor baby” would never have been developed. As far as working the system…you better believe they work the system. Groups that aid and abet “coach” these people on how to get social services at the expense of legal taxpaying citizens. So please research the topic more thoroughly.
Look at the article I just posted…Elvira….
Did you know Mexico has plenty of money to take care of its citizens (if they ever decided to do so)? Why don’t they? Please…all liberals…answer my question?
Anonymous: “What makes someone subject to the jurisdiction thereof?”
It’s not mysterious; that phrase is there to exclude children of foreign diplomats, children of enemy military forces, and children of Native American tribes not subject to taxation. Plyler v. Doe (1982) explicitly stated that illegal immigrants are “withing the jurisdiction” of the states in which they reside.
Want the police to be able to round up illegals and ship them off? Then they’re subject to the jurisdiction thereof.
http://www.komotv.com/news/9239366.html
I love this quote “Not every illegal immigrant is a criminal”…uh….WHAT???
The Patriot
I will thank you for posting that article. I agree with you completely. The are indeed called “anchor babies”, because that’s just what they are. I’ve seen more pregnant women over the last 5years than I have ever seen before. If these women don’t have a newborn, then they usually have one on the way.This of course while using those food stamps, and driving off in expensive SUV’s at West Gate Giant.
BTW-Have you noticed any baby carriages on front porches like park’d spoke of on another thread? I’m thinking that might be the replacement signal for our favorite OPEN STORM DOORS.
I don’t know any politically correct terms for anchor babies that doesn’t take a lot more words. My only concern with birthright citizenship is when our many entitlement programs are tapped by undocumented parents who have children who are legally citizens because of birth location.
And, in all fairness, I pretty much resent anyone tapping into entitlement programs when they are perfectly able to work. My exceptions would include those who are physically, mentally, or emotionally disabled, or those who reach the age where they are entitled to their entitlement. (ss and medicare) I might cut some temporary slack to those whose life style is drastically altered because of divorce or abandonment. The operative word here is temporary…long enough to learn job skills.
Too many people receive permanent assistance as a way of life rather than as temporary assistance over rough periods in their lives.
Mr. Legal Guy,
Do you really think our forefathers had that much insight into the future?
Dolph…Thomas Jefferson would have.
Lafayette, I cannot tell you how many times per day I see those “expensive SUVs”!
I agree with Non-Productive with regard to the social services issue!
Patriot, most Latino illegal aliens in this area are not from Mexico. Mexico is way down the list. Salvadorans are #1 and I don’t think El Salvador has plenty of money to take care of its people.
As for Mexico, I don’t dispute you. But there is little the poor can do to get a more equal distribution of the country’s oil wealth etc. So poor people do what is reasonable for them to do, they seek work where it exists, chez the rich neighbor. I don’t blame them for that. They and their families have an immediate need for food, shelter, etc. that no amount of political organizing will fill in the short term. Meanwhile, the remittance money of both legal and illegal aliens is what is supporting entire families and villages in Mexico. To tell poor people to return to their country to work to transform their political system when their families are hungry is kind of ludicrous. I know you will say that’s not our (meaning Americans’) problem, but frankly, that’s irrelevant and in some ways untrue given the role of the US and global capital.
Finally, I think the term “anchor baby” would have been invented by your movement regardless of the intent of any mother. I didn’t deny that the phenomenon of having a kid for such reasons exists. I only suggested that it may not be the reason many illegal aliens have children. But I guess you can see nothing but instrumentality in their act of becoming parents. I suppose the families I ride the bus with or live next to are faking their delight in their kids. I guess the guy I have seen several times late at night on the bus who shows a cell phone picture of his toddler to the other restaurant workers is just faking his affection despite his smile and blushes as the other men tease him. Or maybe he is just saying to them, look at my economic asset. I guess what I am hearing must be code for that.
Greg,
I had to laugh when I saw this post. “Illegal Citizens”. I suppose the Manassas Park Council has taken up the authority to grant citizenship to illegal aliens. Maybe they will lower the age requirement too. Just in time for the elections. Oh, I forgot maybe they will let felons out of the jail in time for elections also, but not before they’ve had a chance to campaign jail cell to jail cell. Maybe they’ll allow absentee votes from Mexico and El Salvador. I can see the election polls now. And just maybe they will treat everyone with a frozen Mexican treat from our favorite push cart vendors or a free tatoo from a MS13 gang member. I’m sure the politicians will promise a free chicken for every house, a live one. Let’s not forget the illegal avians.
The Patriot said on 20 Aug 2007 at 2:49 pm:
I agree with Non-Productive with regard to the social services issue!
Me too and I am tired of paying for it out of my tax money.
I think we should be able to claim the misused tax dollars as a charitable donation.
Leila said,
“But there is little the poor can do to get a more equal distribution of the country’s oil wealth etc. So poor people do what is reasonable for them to do, they seek work where it exists…”
So, all things being equal, which laws do I get to break to have a better life?
Leila, so based on your logic….all of the poor people (who are legal) in our own country can break laws to put food on their tables and steal from others? Get real! That is absurd. Plenty of people who are poor from other countries have enough self respect, respect for our country, and are law abiding and come through the legal way. It is a choice one makes. To say they broke the law because they were poor is complete nonsense! It has to do with whether one chooses to abide by the law or not.
Leila, furthermore, what kind of example are the parents setting for their children? Not a very good one!
You know, the MP city council probably COULD allow illegal aliens to vote in city council elections–isn’t there a jurisdiction somewhere in CA that allows illegal aliens to vote in school board elections? (MP couldn’t do that only because their school board is appointed and therefore not accountable to the citizens when they spend $33 million for an elementary school).
“Want the police to be able to round up illegals and ship them off? Then they’re subject to the jurisdiction thereof.”
Correct. The corollary to this is that if the police are not rounding up illegals and not deporting them, then they are not subject to the jurisdiction thereof.
The 14th Amendment guaranteeing birthright citizenship was not passed by our Founders. It was passed in the aftermath of the Civil War and was a direct response to the status of former slaves. It was passed at a time of mass immigration and violent nativist response to that mass immigration. The Amendment in all its clauses is very long and I am certain that if they had wanted to put in a few words restricting citizenship by birth to certain conditions you would approve of, they could have. They didn’t. Too bad, I guess, for all of you in the anti-illegal alien movement. I guess you can feel the pain of those in the gun-control movement who work so hard to claim that the 2nd Amendment doesn’t mean private ownership of weapons. (I don’t agree that it doesn’t, by the way.) In any case, compared to them, you really have your work cut out for you since the first clause of the 14th is considerably less vague.
Leila,
The 14th Amendment was created to ensure rights to African-Americans coming out of slavery, and their descendants. At the time, we had no immigration laws - anyone who crossed the border and wanted to call themselves an American could. Diplomats were excepted as they were considered to have loyalty to other nations - as today’s illegals do - and the Amendment specifically did NOT grant birthright citizenship to their children.
One of the bill’s proponents, Senator Jacob Howard, said :
“Every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States. This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country.”
There is a good description of the negotiations behind the amendment, and why the language reads as it does at http://www.constitution.org/col/intent_14th.htm . It wasn’t the progressive love-fest you seem to think of it as, a lot of the discussion had to do with whether it would be okay to sell arms to Chinese and blacks or not.
As with every other facet of the African-American struggle, the 14th Amendment has been coopted by illegal aliens. A bunch of criminals are attempting to emulate the black struggle and mindlessly cry racism against those who would enforce US law, figuring what works for black people can or should work for Latinos too - another example of how they do not know or respect US history. Elvira whats-her-name is hardly Rosa Parks - Rosa Parks didn’t give the bus driver a fake social security number when she got on, or a counterfeit bill.
Here we go. Looks like they did it in violation of CA state law. Since MP has broken a bunch of laws already with respect to the RnR scandal, what’s another one?
“Another attempt to give illegal aliens the vote
The latest is from San Bernardino:
City Attorney James F. Penman warned the school board Tuesday evening that it would be in violation of state law if it supported a measure allowing noncitizens to vote in local elections.
Penman’s comments came in response to a proposal by education advocate Gil Navarro, who asked the San Bernardino City Unified School District board to put the issue on next month’s agenda…
The state elections code and the state Constitution require voters to be citizens, Penman said.
“You don’t have any jurisdiction over the election laws of the state,” Penman told the board…
“We’re talking about parents being treated differently,” Navarro said. `’It’s not fair that they don’t have a choice in deciding who can represent them on the school board.” “
I too am sick of paying for these benefits. Non-productive was pretty PRODUCTIVE in comments below.
Non-productive & lovin’ it said..
“Too many people receive permanent assistance as a way of life rather than as temporary assistance over rough periods in their lives.”
Prime example, why are children that started Kindergarten in PWCPS taking ESOL classes, still enrolled in ESOL classes, and they are going into the 8th grade? Talk about permanent assistance. When I attended Stonewall Middle, we had several students that took ESOL classes. However, they weren’t taking these classes for years, like ESOL students of today at that very same school.
Take a look sometime at the line on Thursdays for the “free clinic”(Health Dept.-next to courthouse) services start at 6pm, and the line begins about 10 or 11am, and that’s in ANY kind of weather.
All of these benefits are part of the ole “red carpet” that’s been rolled out all over OUR county for way too long.
That red carpet needs to be hauled off and tossed into the PWC dump!
The Patriot
If the dump is too full from all of the overflowing trash cans, we can just burn the red carpet!!
@ Leila
Let’s see… If I were illegally in another country barely able to make ends meet and sending money back home on top of that I don’t think for a second I would want to bring a child into the mix. That would be the epitome of irresponsibility. I couldn’t do that to a child. Plus, to have the arrogance to use the legal citizens’ tax dollars to feed and school that child…
It’s obvious it’s not the child’s fault but the parents MUST accept responsibility for their actions and what implications those actions will have on their children.
What Mando said. Deport…just like Elvira. Just like Elian. They can always come back legally if they want to.
I’m all for illegal aliens taking their US citizen children back to their country of origin. Of course deportation must take place first. Like The Patriot said, they can always come back legally if they want to. However, I’m not sure these deported illegal aliens would come back legally, when it’s so easy to waltz on in to the USA illegally.We NEED and DESERVE a secure border.
Rick Bentley, Thank you for the info and the link. I think you would find almost all of the Constitution’s key rights Amendments have been, as you say, “co-opted” by people for whom they might not have originally been intended or for purposes unimagined by the drafters. I can certainly give you many examples and I dare say you have personally benefited by some of that co-opting. The Constitution is a living document. Even the staunchest original-intent jurist has had to accept that malleability in order to apply First the Constitution to issues and technologies that never existed when those Amendments were drafted.
I don’t think that illegal aliens are the only ones who benefit from birthright citizenship today.
Mando, Don’t many legal aliens also just scrape by and send money to their families back home? As far as I know that is very widespread as well . Are you saying they also should be condemned for having children? Should the poor in general not have children?
Leila, I suppose you haven’t seen many locals that pay with foodstamps, speak no English, have 5 kids and then roll off in their brand new luxury SUV? Then, miraculously, have plenty of money to send back to their homelands via wire transfer? Hmmm………..I have (almost on a daily basis).
Coming back legal is the rub. What’s their motivation coming here in the first place? I’m sure they have plenty of good reasons to come here but I think we’d all have to agree money is at the top of the list. Coming back as a legal citizen (which is not an easy route in the first place nor should it be) would also mean they’d have to compete with the rest of us legal citizens for jobs becuase they can no longer compete with their illegal bretheren.
Why come back legal when it is so much easier and profitable to come back illegal?
@ Leila
***Mando, Don’t many legal aliens also just scrape by and send money to their families back home? As far as I know that is very widespread as well . Are you saying they also should be condemned for having children? Should the poor in general not have children?***
Well, for one thing, legal citizens don’t have to worry about deportation. I barely scrape by most times and have a child but I have no fear of being sent to another country because I’m illegal. Could I make the conscious desicion to have a child while residing in another country illegaly? Undoubtedly no.
Sadly, we have too many examples in Virginia and throughout the U.S. of what goes wrong when illegal immigrant parents don’t set the right example and live off our government………and it was found in our back yard of Woodbridge on Saturday afternoon.
A 15 year old boy is locked up in a jail cell on Joplin Road today. His accused crime……assisting in the murder and attemped murder of 4 New Jersey college students (all who were attending Deleware State University) they were just looking for a quite place to listen to their music and talk. When they tried to leave not wanting trouble they were shot………three died and one is recovering in the hospital.
The ring leader of this hateful group is a 28 year old illegal immigrant who was out on $150,000 bail for the sexual assault and abuse of a minor child.
Another example……..a 19 year old boy murders a young woman. PWC Police stop him for a traffic voilation. He is found to be in possestion of 3 fake IDs. The police do not verify the address. This murder is released on $1,000 bail.
How can you illegal immigrants “HUGGERS” support people who cause so much pain and suffering onto so many innocent children and their parents.
If you want to hug something……..hug your kids, parents, sister, brother…….oh heck go hug a tree or your VISA card.
The only physical attention these illegal immigrants need is a kick in the ass to send them all back to their own country!!
On a flip side to that, say I illegally entered another country due to economic reasons and while I was there, I had the means to support a child. I still wouldn’t have a child for the simple fact that if I were to be deported, my child would be coming with me and obviously I couldn’t care for that child in my home country. Now say someone told me if I had that child I could legally stay in that country were I’m econimically able to care for that child. Why wouldn’t I have the child?
RE: The 14th Amendment. American Indians were not made citizens until 1924. I’d like to see the SCOTUS give birth-right citizenship to children of illegal aliens a review. I think a law declaring them not to be citzens would stand up.
@ Leila - if your contention is with the term “anchor baby” then your problem should lie with those having children then using them as a bargaining chip when it comes time for their deportation.
Patriot I haven’t seen many of those foodstamps/SUV riders you mention. Do you feel that those you describe as:
“locals that pay with foodstamps, speak no English, have 5 kids and then roll off in their brand new luxury SUV?”
are typical of the population of illegal aliens?
Accepting, for a moment, that you are right about them being illegal, wouldn’t you object if the immigrants who speak no English (as many don’t) were legal but also using foodstamps and driving a new SUV? Wouldn’t you also object if a native-born American were using foodstamps and driving a brand new fancy SUV? I know I would. I would think, jeez, why can’t that person sell that fancy SUV, buy a junker, and support themselves. As far as I’m concerned ANYONE living off other people or the government has no business driving a luxury car.
Your example of the fancy-SUV-driving illegal-alien foodstamp user is like the fabled “welfare queens” of the inner city. Yeah, they probably exist, but is it accurate to use, by implication, an extreme case to tar an entire population? I don’t think so. It is weak arguing.
I see what I might reasonably assume are illegal aliens every day, but they rarely fit the stereotypes common on this blog. They tend to take public transport for one thing and I realize that is harder out in PWC etc. Maybe because it is friendly-to-all-immigrants Arlington and they are more integrated into the community, I don’t know.
Patriot - My working days (earning money) are over. When I last worked one had to DIAL the number. Cell phones were probably not even imagined, and there were no neat places like “black velvet bruce li” to air one’s opinions on anything! I’m throughly enjoying modern times, and I am very interested in everything that goes on, especially when it has to do with PEOPLE. They are the most interesting creatures on earth!
Still waiting for the time when lions will lie down with lambs, etc. (something fr the Bible, I think)
“Accepting, for a moment, that you are right about them being illegal, wouldn’t you object if the immigrants who speak no English (as many don’t) were legal but also using food stamps and driving a new SUV? Wouldn’t you also object if a native-born American were using food stamps and driving a brand new fancy SUV?”
That, Leila, is an inane question and totally out of context. We have ALWAYS battled welfare abuse in this country and, as long as public assistance exists, it will continue to be abused as we try to close the loopholes. That, however, is totally irrelevant to the issue at hand because there is absolutely no question that NONE of the illegal aliens are, or should be, eligible for public assistance. There are priorities to be addressed here, and the first one is that those who came to this country to steal the public assistance resources from our own poor citizens should immediately be shown the door!
Another song for the day: Illegal Alien by Genesis:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=NMgzHTf37-U
AWCheney, my main question to Patriot was is that illegal alien family of foodstamp using, SUV-driving, five-kids having typical or not. I don’t think they are typical whether illegal alien, legal alien, or native born.
So maybe you know. Is using foodstamps while driving a *brand new luxury SUV* the typical profile of an illegal alien or illegal alien family in Northern Virginia? Is it even semi-typical? If it isn’t, is it relevant? I find many of the other things you folks complain about a lot more compelling than the occasional (Patriot presumes) illegal alien driving a luxury car. That is why I brought up the welfare queen, it is splashy politics and pretty much irrelevant.
It may well be typical Leila…how could anyone tell? The illegals live under the radar, most deal on a cash basis and, yes, I have witnessed that “SUV/Minivan/Vehicle with all the bells and whistles” loading their numerous children into their vehicles after having purchased groceries with either WIC or food stamps (in one case, both) on numerous occasions myself. You see, unless a jurisdiction demands that the law be enforced, it is impossible to demand proof that someone is in this country legally or illegally…and your question was indeed inane.
The Patriot,
I agree, Jefferson probably would have. He was rather visionary for his time, wasn’t he.?
On the other hand, the 14th amendment was long after his day. I am not so sure about those Johnny Come Lately ‘forefathers’ of the mid to late 19th century.
AWCheney, So you honestly think that it “may well be typical” for illegal aliens to both use foodstamps and drive brand new luxury SUVs and the only thing stopping you from knowing that for certain is that illegal aliens live under the radar. You really think this is typical, ie. the common representive behavior of the population as a whole.
I really want whatever they are putting in the water up in PWC.
It would seem that you have a bit of difficulty with reading comprehension Leila…or is it because you are reading through the filter of your own prejudices?
Not to nit-pick, but I would not like it if LEGAL immigrants were dipping into the entitlement programs. One of the caveats of coming to this country legally is verification that you will not be a burden on the country. You need to be self-supporting or be supported by someone who is financially responsible for you (like a child or elderly parent).
Immigration is not that easy and with good reason. We have enough dead-beats of our own. We certainly do not want to take on anyone elses.
I don’t begrudge any deserving person assistance. Those who are disabled and cannot work are welcome to some of my contribution to the public coffers. Those who have life-altering situations are welcome to short term relief. Bad things can happen to good people.
I see people on public assistance every day who could be out earning a living and who aren’t. Frankly, I resent it. I will go so far as to say I don’t care what the ethnicity is. I resent it less if someone is driving a clunker rather than some fancy van or suv or big a$$ cadillac.
Leila,
I think what AWC is trying to point out to you is that the type or cost of vehicle is irrelevant. An illegal alien should not be using food stamps or the like because that is yet another crime — welfare fraud (in addition to being here illegally).
Why can’t we just save space on these threads and stop debating the irrelavant. Either you’re for the rule of law or you are not. People should live here illegally or not. Everything else is just a smokescreen.
Clean It Up, are you for the rule of law in all instances? Have you broken any laws? I am willing to bet a great deal of money that you have.
In any case, I agree with you. People should not be receiving welfare services they are not entitled to. But the issue of the vehicle type is not irrelevant when it is used specifically to make the offense of the allegedly ill-gotten welfare benefit worse. That is why we have the cliche of the welfare queen in a Cadillac, or Patriot’s illegal alien in a luxury SUV. Their occasional existence in reality is nothing compared to their use in rhetoric. Trouble is, most welfare recipients legal or illegal, deserving or undeserving, take public transport or drive old cars. That is the easily observable fact, but it doesn’t make for such a vivid indignation-producing image.
Actually Leila, you seem to be living in a vacuum. The ONLY reason that those instances where I observed people utilizing public service assistance stuck in my mind was in fact the incongruity of those same people climbing into vehicles which FAR exceeded mine in value. There was just something wrong with that picture.
Leila
Just go to the Giant on Sudley Rd. any day of the week and I can almost promise you’ll see one or more women use WIC and food stamp cards and then drive off in a new SUV. In fact, I would be shocked to go to that Giant and NOT see one. And don’t start with the “maybe these are borrowed vehicles”. This is not an anecdotal story, it is a daily occurance. That many people don’t borrow vehicles.
You are correct that we don’t know that these moms are legal or illegal. But in 2002 when I noticed this, I asked my Salvadorian neighbor (legal, employed and taxpaying). She is the one that said that they were most likely illegal. Their husbands get paid in cash so they have income to buy the vehicle but on paper, they have no income which qualifies the woman things like WIC and free and reduced lunch at school. You don’t have to have prove your legal status to get WIC or reduced lunch as long as you have the kids. She also told me that the illegals that do earn good money in construction tend to put their money into their vehicles (not their homes) because they can take the vehicle with them if they need to move for work. What she said made sense and regardless of their citizenship status, no one should be abusing the system like that. Ironically she ended up moving because she couldn’t stand all the overcrowded homes that had popped up in our cul de sac. One of her final straws was a crop of front yard corn across the street. Thankfully we never saw any roosters, but I don’t doubt that they are probably there now.
Whether people are illegal or legal, if they are working off the books, it creates a ripe opportunity for welfare fraud. It also makes it much harder to prove. And it only makes sense that people posting from some of the troubled areas would see more of that type of fraud because they live in areas that have the highest concentration of illegal immigrants. That is why you see it at the Giant on Sudley and not at the Giant in Gainesville.
anon8:57
I’ve also told Leila about the WestGate Giant. Your comments above are great.
Anon, I don’t doubt that you see such foodstamp-using mothers and their new SUVs at the Giant on Sudley Road, I just doubt they are typical. Typical means representative of the population in question. I don’t believe most illegal aliens drive new SUVs.
However, that was an interesting point you made about putting the money in the vehicle for mobility. It makes good sense even I don’t think most of the cars bought are of the luxury kind.
I see what I call welfare fraud almost daily. I don’t know if it is typical, but it is not untypical. And it is typical for me to see it.
Do all hispanics abuse the system? Absolutely not! Do all illegal immigrants abuse the system? Absolutely not! Do some? yes.
I am equal opportunity. I don’t want anyone abusing it.
Well Leila, I haven’t been to the Giant at Westgate on Sudley Road in a decade. I suspect that this is far more common than you can imagine. Why do you think that the citizens of Prince William County and the two cities are so concerned?
AWCheney, I think that at least many of the citizens of PWC and M/MP are concerned for lots of reaons, some valid, some less valid, but all more and more understandable to me as I read this blog.
Example of valid: overcrowding of a house to the point where it violates public safety, ditto with trash.
Example of invalid: Hearing too much Spanish language and music in your immediate vicinity, having to press 1 for English, reading Spanish on signs (all things I have read complaints about on this blog).
Both examples are obviously just my opinion.
Whether your concerns all seem valid or less valid to me doesn’t really matter and it certainly doesn’t alter the fact that you and many others feel overwhelmed. However, it still doesn’t make the foodstamp-using mother with a brand new luxury SUV the *typical* and thus majority face of the illegal immigrant population. It doesn’t match with any objective empirical knowledge of the illegal population as a whole. And if that particular embodiment of welfare abuse were all that you all were het up about, it would be quite strange because most illegal aliens don’t resemble that image just as most inner-city welfare recipients don’t resemble the “welfare queen driving a new Cadillac” stereotype that the Republican Party was so fond of some years back.
Leila, it will be impossible to accumulate empirical data until the local jurisdictions which have accumulated an enormous amount of anecdotal data from the citizenry (even local authorities don’t generally act until the voters start screaming) that the deterioration of their neighborhoods by SUSPECTED illegal aliens has reached a point where they will no longer tolerate the lack of enforcement of existing laws enabling illegal aliens. Once the enforcement truly begins, the empirical data will follow in short order.
Re: Leila’s posts —
Blah. Blah. Blah.
She’s got lots of ideas and excuses … but have you noticed that she’s incapable of driving 20 miles to see if what she prattles on about is true or not…
She keeps doubting, questioning, blah, blah, blah - all she does is sit in Arlington and disagree.
If she REALLY wanted to know the answers to the questions she is asking, she would come to PWC and get them answered.
But she doesn’t, because she really doesn’t want to know the answers. She’s got her own version of the truth and she’s sticking with it.
You guys are wasting your time even typing to her. Use your time to fight the issues in your neighborhood instead of “discussing” with “her”.
Anon 9:38
I agree.
IN CASE ANYBODY MISSED THIS EARLEIR!!
Leila’s response to my statement, either you’re for the rule of law are you are not…..anything else is just a smokescreen:
“Clean It Up, are you for the rule of law in all instances? Have you broken any laws? I am willing to bet a great deal of money that you have.”
Are you kidding me?….. This is the mindset we are dealing with on the other side. You can’t waste your time and energy arguing with someone who thinks like this. The illegal alien apologists think that you can decide on your own which laws are ok to violate…just cherry-pick the ones that suit your purposes at any given time. That’s great…just great.
We actually have US citizens who are telling our illegal alien “new residents” that this is ok in the USA..”we have laws here, but if there are some you don’t agree with don’t obey them…it’s ok.” Then if someone dares to demand you obey the laws that all legal citizens must obey just scream….”racism.”
anon
I am glad you are one of the few who picked up on Leila’s ability to discredit any argument against illegal aliens. I feel that this lovefest of genteel answers to Leila is due to the fact that her rosey prose is mistaken for moderate benevolence. I think it is appalling that she could compare roosters to muezzin calls. For all her humanistic and deceptive politeness, she has insulted every muslim out there. In her rebuttals she has considered herself able to withstand and accept roosters, corn, broken down cars, loud and disturbing behavior, obnoxious music and generallu unacceptable behavior. Due to her high tolerance for deviant and aberrant behavior, I suggest she come and live in Yorkshire or the more “diverse” area of Lomond. She can then join in the festivities and become one with the people she so loves and defends.
It’s easy to accept a reality you don’t have to live with.
For those of you who say we don’t have a problem I dare you to come to my neighborhood and walk the streets (rt.1 between the parkway and 95). See if you can walk 100 yards without seeing 20 to 30 of them standing on the corner, see if you can walk a half mile without running into a checks cash store, see in that time if you can find two or more stores/establishments without a spanish name. Better yet, try going into one of those restaurants (not named McDonalds or Burger King) and see if you don’t get stared at and made to feel like you don’t belong. Oh yeah, try taking your wife with you too, see how she is treated. You don’t think there is a problem because you don’t see it in your posh neighborhood, come to mine and then tell me there is no problem. I dare any one of you, that don’t think we have a problem, to park your BMW at the 5 guys on rt.1 and walk with your wife in the direction of 95. Until you do that don’t tell me we don’t have a problem.
fed up
would you mind not using my call name?
Sorry
i meant: fedup, would you kindly not use my call name?
how is this?
Perfect and to the point! Thanks
“I feel that this lovefest of genteel answers to Leila is due to the fact that her rosey prose is mistaken for moderate benevolence.”
No Fed Up, it is because her rhetoric is at least not inflammatory…although recognized as rhetoric, nonetheless. She is merely another voice in the debate and, as such, deserves to be answered.
No AW
Unlike you, I do not like to be lead by the nose. Everybody should have a say, but mockery I do not accept. She is trying to speak down to people who have problems with illegal aliens and mocks those who have to suffer their injury. Her rebuttals are contemptious and I, for one, do not like to be taken for a fool.
Then don’t let her fed up, and respond. Just don’t accuse the rest of us who respond as people who are responding in a “…..lovefest of genteel answers to Leila is due to the fact that her rosey prose is mistaken for moderate benevolence,” rather than as folks polite enough to recognize that others might have a divergent opinion and therefore respond politely. “Unlike you, I do not like to be lead by the nose” is an insulting statement with which I take exception, and I’m even responding to you politely.
AW
I appreciate your politeness. I will reciprocate when the opportunity presents itself.
You might begin, fed up, by no longer responding to politeness by being insulting…and an apology would have been nice. Do not mistake politeness with lack of anger.
I should have said, do not confuse courtesy with lack of anger…but anger can sometimes diminish one’s vocabulary.
AW
See what you get when you are polite? a whole bunch more poo slung at you.
I was not upset at your polite tone in your earlier responses, it was your lack of criticism. Since you are so good at criticing apologists, I figure you may just have slipped a little.
By the way, I do not apologize unless there is a good reason. To you however, I owe nothing.
Fine fed up, then I suggest that you reread your previous comment to me, and the one before that. I shall now comment with a decided lack of courtesy.
You and I may be on the same page philosophically; and you and I also have something of a shared heritage, although I came to this country with two immigrant parents and was not adopted; and you and I may share something of an international perspective through experience and study (I spent a great deal of time in Europe and the UK on both business and personal activities, including several AID and USIA sponsored delegations)…but that is obviously where the resemblance ends, thank God. Just as I have far more respect for a liberal who is honest and sincere in their beliefs than I do for a self-proclaimed conservative whose beliefs go only as deep as their self-interest, I have little respect for an individual who would seem to be incapable of showing respect for others, even those who may not agree with them. That actually puts you in a category with a “gentleman” (and I use that term VERY lightly) by the name of James “Jimmy” Young…for whom NO ONE on the blogs shows any respect any longer. I hope you will enjoy his company.
Correction fed up (as I am), reread your previous THREE comments to me…particularly that one at 5:24 PM.
AW
I did not know you were the royal dispenser of respect. It seems to me that you too are talking down at people when they do not fit your needs or wants.
Unlike your friend Jimmy, I am not looking for friends, nor allies. I am only here to express myself and use my rights to the full extent of the law.
And if you don’t like what i have to say or think that I need to bow down to your majesty to gain the respect of the bloggers in this blog, you must mistakenly think of me as someone who gives a hoot.
C’est bon.
AW
Are you Leila?
Fed Up and AW -
Do you two know each other?
Anon
Do you know AW? I don’t, and I like it that way
No, I don’t either one of you.
But you speak to each other as though you know who the other is - such as referring to personal info or when you said AW needed to be led around by the nose. If she does, it is not apparent from these blog postings, so I thought perhaps you knew her or knew of her from outside of the blog world.
And, Fed Up, I am surprised that you asked if AW is Leila. If nothing else, reading these posts would make it clearly that she believes very differently than Leila.
It’s rather obvious, anon, that fed up doesn’t read the posts, at least not well. The point has been made by a number of people, and it is well-founded, that civil discourse and debate on an objective level is far more likely to persuade others than personal attacks and an utterly closed mind unwilling to even allow consideration of the other side of the debate. Debate is healthy and can often lead to creative solutions to problems…but debate, by definition, is not one-sided. I, for one, like hearing from the other side of the coin as long as it is civil and non-inflammatory. I’m sure that many on the other side feel the same way.
Dear AW
I feel compelled to respond to you once more only because I see that you continuing with your tirade even after this item has been pulled.
This is the reason why I should not and will not apologize to you:
“You and I may be on the same page philosophically; and you and I also have something of a shared heritage, although I came to this country with two immigrant parents and was not adopted; and you and I may share something of an international perspective through experience and study (I spent a great deal of time in Europe and the UK on both business and personal activities, including several AID and USIA sponsored delegations)…but that is obviously where the resemblance ends, thank God.” That is a pretty arrogant and assuming statement!
It is obvious to me that you pick and choose who to go after and who not to. The curious thing is that I did not name names, nor did I specifically say that your responses were the culprit. The fact that you have taken it upon yourself to sit there and get completely outraged about this tells me that I have hit a nerve. You feel outraged because you know that you are not being polite in the name of constructive dialogue, but because you have deliberately ignored the fact that Leila was deriding those people who are most impacted by the problem of illegal immigration. what you are experiencing is your own guilt, not outrage at my response. Before you aim your guns at anyone you may want to politely ask if it were you they were addressing. The only reason why I let you go on with it is because I wanted to see where you were going to go with this. It is not I who should apologize but Leila. Apologize to all of those she has insulted by asserting that all of the things that they were being victimized with were just jolly and good to her. I do not believe that she is honest with her assessments and uses at time religion to try to make a point. I do not like bigots or hypocrits. But that is one and the same, isn’t it?
I find it even more offensive that you sit there and annoint yourself with the powers of deciding who on this blog should be respected or not, and who is acceptable or not. Anyone can be criticized and anyone can say what they want. What will ensue should be allowed by mere consequence, not by your dictate. Unless you own the site, you have little say on who should be respected or not. And if Greg L decided to tell me that I should not be respected, then I would think that this blog is not a free blog, but one in which people can arbitrarily choose who should speak or not. You may not like my response, but you have no right to dictate to me or order apologies or tell me whether or not I should be respected.
As far as shared philosophy or heritage, please do not try to gain empathy by association. You and I most probably have no shared heritage. I lived and studied in Europe for 16 years and all over the world, including Japan, Hawaii, India, New York, South America and Australia (not a military family, I’m afraid), and you do not know what my philosophy is. You are confusing ethos with pathos, and leaving logos completely out. Before you can criticize my ethos, watch your pathos and use a little bit more logos.
“The curious thing is that I did not name names, nor did I specifically say that your responses were the culprit.”
Oh yeah?:
“fed up said on 22 Aug 2007 at 5:24 pm:
No AW
Unlike you, I do not like to be lead by the nose.”
I told you before…I take exception to that ****. Whatever followed, and whatever came before, was my opinion. When I post a comment, I make no assumptions that everyone will agree with my opinion…and I have no problem with that. My opinion is my own. But I do take exception to people who personally attack others for offering their opinion, and when they make the mistake of attacking me, I take particular note. I am relieved that we apparently have so little in common, and you are most certainly one of the last people I can imagine with whom I would care to gain empathy, although I do try to empathize with people. I would NEVER deign to make that mistake with you.
[Ed note: comment edited.]
It is fair to assume that you are trying to intimidate me into leaving the blog. That’s dishonest and it shows that this blog is not for freedom of speech. On the other hand, do not feel for a moment that the fact that you posted my name on this blog is going to stop me from taking action or speaking up against illegal immigration. However, this last response from you really shows what this blog is all about.
It is sad to say, but whatever motivation I had to join HSM has just been redirected. It is obvious that I need to take my financial support and moral support to national organizations. If bvbl tries to shut up people by posting people’s name to try to intimidate them, then the people who criticize this site are going to be proven absolutely right.
BVBL has nothing to do with this…you made that information available yourself when you bragged about being number 85 on the petition. Besides, why would you be intimidated about using your own name, or having it known? I’ve ALWAYS used my own name, without shame. My opinions are my own and I stand by them without reservation. I’ve never outed anyone before, although I’ve been following certain blogs for years now. You’re the first, and most likely the last. I suppose it has something to do with my level of respect for you.
Dear AW
I guess you turned out to be a real S***t. I would expect nothing less from you
[Ed note: this user is now banned. I’m sick of this.]
Why thank you, I take that as a compliment…especially since I have no idea what you mean by S***t.
Fed up,
I would have to say that YOU giving away your number on the petition WAS THE GIVE AWAY. I say this because not only is this the INFORAMTION age @ your finger tips, but MY professional field / opinion. Just food for thought and hopefully a lesson learned.
I’m a regular to this site and it really bothers me to see people like Leila making excuses for people who refuse to own up to the fact of breaking our laws to get and stay in America. Regardless of all the other arguments that one like Leila makes, the truth of the matter is that they are illegal and continue to break laws just by being here. I speak and understand Spanish, if you want to hear racism, listen to how they speak among themselves. A white person is a gringo honky bit–, a Black person is a nigg–, an Asian is a chink, this is what they call us, so the racism comes from the illegals. They regularly scheme to get benefits, and yes, they have children not out of love, but for gain. I’m with an Environmental Crimes Unit that travels in and out of state, majority of the businesses we close are foreign, most care nothing of our environment, they do not care to follow any of the laws designed to protect this country, why, because there is nothing moral about their illegal immigration, its all about how money they can make regardless of the outcome. Leila, I dare you to walk in Langley Park, Eastern ave at Chillum Rd, or Columbia Rd for that matter without feeling screwed by eyes or getting snatched. So before you defend these so called poor people, you need to do some more homework. I understand you are a liberal, proberly Democrat, but that party will do away with the working class with the policies they communicate, illegal aliens hurt us first. I don’t see how any working class person, especially Black Americans can vote Democrat, with their design to give Amnesty, that will further hurt working class people. Leila get a grip, your ideas are unrealistic. We will get rid of illegals through enforcement by attrition, the country is doing it presently.