Manassas Park Declares War On 300 Voters
By Greg L | 21 August 2007 | Illegal Aliens, Manassas Park | 60 Comments
How many elected officials have ever been successful after they’ve called a portion of their constituents equal to a quarter of the number of people who voted in the last presidential election a bunch of racists? Manassas Park Mayor Frank Jones and Vice Mayor Brian Polk are going to have a chance to find out. Tonight’s meeting of the Manassas Park Governing Board approved a “statement on immigration” this evening that complained about “outsiders”, blamed everything on the state and federal governments, and committed to an action plan of, well, doing nothing. It was nothing less than utterly bizarre.
It was especially interesting to hear council member Fran Kassinger complain that constituents were calling for “ethnic cleansing”, and have Bill Treuting complain that none of their state representatives advanced their “bold” legislative agenda on illegal immigration which called for nothing more than instituting Jeanette Rishell’s “livability court” to process the cases Manassas Park is already not bringing to the courts. Council member Cynde Gardner gave the strongest performance, recognizing that there are concerns about overcrowding and illegal aliens and leaving it at that, but every other member of the Governing Board went terribly off the deep end. At least they acknowledged that they in fact do have a problem with illegal aliens in Manassas Park, which is a first.
Mayor Frank Jones finished the discussion with an appeal to leave Manassas Park alone and instead go bother state and federal representatives, claiming there is nothing they can do about this problem. Unfortunately, enforcing the laws and ordinances they already have doesn’t appear to be something they will consider, either.
So residents of Manassas Park, you are terminally screwed, at least until the end of the next session of the General Assembly, or until such time that the federal government fixes the problem. The alternative is to start telling the Governing Board that waiting for someone else to address the problem isn’t going to work. Manassas Park needs help now, and issuing statements which in effect continue the sanctuary policies which encourage illegal aliens to reside within the jurisdiction not only doesn’t help, but actively harms the city. Are illegals fleeing Prince William County now going to settle into Manassas Park, given that the welcome mat extended to them is now official public policy?
This is pretty much a case of the Governing Board throwing down the gauntlet to those 300 or so constituents who are members of Help Save Manassas. Their elected officials have just started calling them nasty names, which is certainly going to complicate their efforts to seek re-election in November of 2008.
The council members may benefit from any insight you have about the wisdom of their determined “do nothing” approach to illegal aliens. Here’s how you can contact them:
Leadership:
Frank Jones, Mayor
Brian Polk, Vice-Mayor
Council Members:
Michael Bunner
Cynde Gardner
Keith Miller
Bill Treuting
Fran Kassinger
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I wonder when these elected officials were demonstrating their brand of “leadership” did they notice their “Career Disintegration” Warning Lights pop on?
Mayor Frank Jones also stated that NO one, not ONE person has contacted Warner, Webb or Wolf on this issue. I would strongly disagree with that! How does Mr. Jones think that the amnesty bill was defeated? By NO one contacting their elected officials?
He also stated that M.P. wasn’t responsible for closing the border’s. Well he is responsible for his city. I have walked streets in Manassas Park. I have talked to people there and they DO have a problem and it IS up to the city council to correct it.
Mayor Jones should come to a HSM meeting before he starts making statements like he did tonight. Although he was careful to not mention HSM by name.
I’ve gotten letters from both Warner and Webb on the issue of illegal immigration. I will mail a copy of these letters to him. I doubt he will acknowledge them since I’m a PWC citizen. Mayor Jones should remember many legal citizens from the county and Manassas city do spend money in MP, and their voices too should be heard.
I want the illegal aliens gone from the entire county, and that includes the two cities as well. I don’t want them to go to MP. The illegals need head north over the Cabin John Bridge and into Montgomery County, MD.
Manassas Park residents must start writing, call, and addressing their Governing Board.
My boyfriend’s niece, who lives on Manassas Drive, is always calling Mayor Jones complaining about the illegals, the housing, the drugs, the whoring, the trash, etc., not only on her behalf, but on behalf of her mother and grandmother who live in Manassas Park, also. When she runs into him and tries to speak to him, he just shrugs his shoulders and says that it is a Federal problem and to contact them. This man is spineless, like a jellyfish. I think I’ll call him Jellyfish Jones.
ddpdrinker
Good one. My niece grew up in the Park, and has been carrying mail there and Loch Lomond for ten years now. She says it gets worse each and every day. She says she has more chickens than dogs on her route. She’s said she doesn’t know how much longer she can keep it up, due to the risk factor. All of this from a young woman raised in the Park. What a shame. Actually, shame on the Manassas Park Governing Board.
Lafayette: I must have picked up a serious bug from the Fair activities or I would have been there - tee-shirt on!!!! The people in the Park need to converge on the Jellyfish and his flounders to demand something be done and not to wait for the Feds, just like the citizens of PWC and Manassas have done and are doing. We can only do so much. The MP residents need to stop complaining and start DOING!!!
ddpdrinker
I heard many stories from folks in the Park last week at the Fair and I’m sure you did too. They need help worse than we do here in WestGate/Sudley.
The DO NOTHING attitude must STOP.
It won’t Lafayette…they’re too busy wasting the taxpayers money building monuments to themselves and putting legitimate small business owners out of business to serve their own financial ends.
AWC
I can’t argue your point at all.
I guess there is always the next local elections in MP. Yeah, right.-lol
What a crock! When are these idiots up for re-election?
ddpdrinker,
I am hysterical with laughter. Jellyfish Jones and the Flounders. It sounds like a has-been rock group. Take it and run with it. You own the day!
Thanks, Dolph. It’s going to be up to the voters of Manassas Park, if they’re smart, to make them “has-beens”.
Actually Lafayette, Manassas Park often can’t even turn out much more than 300 voters in an election…the MP HSM members could well win the day by just turning out.
The ironic thing that keeps everyone wondering: Since this problem has been going on for quite some time, wouldn’t your closest neighbors refuse to sell their homes or rent to them? If each of you have a strong community as you seem to imply, then the real culprit would be your next door neighbors. But of course when it comes to the sale of any home…. money talks bu** sh** walks!
5 of these idiots are up for re-election in November, 2008.
Let’s flush the toilet and get rid of this s**t!
AWC
I hope as the number HSM members in MP grows, the willingness to become active in their city, and VOTE grows as well.
I wonder when the last election was that they had more than 300 voters in the Park?
Perhaps it could be that your long time neigbors are all renting or selling their homes to the very people you all dislike. Maybe they need to take some accountablity.
So Manassas Park has started the “Idiot Clown Party” as an expression of their combined stupidity. How did a group of utterly incompetent (below our already low national standard) politicians come into power?
Was LSD put into everyones food on election day? The sheer stupidity of these people is hard to fathom, and I hope they are voted out on the next election day.
A couple of things:
Why has there not been an effort to file suit against Manassas Park for not enforcing the laws on the books? There is going to be a lawsuit in Newark, N.J. very soon. Even if we could not win, the continual filing of lawsuits would cost the city money and eventually they will have to do something one way or the other.
Second, why are we not holding protest rallies in Manassas Park? Talk is good and all, but apparently the only way to get peoples attention is to have a show of force to show that people are fed up and mean business. The illegals are rallying left and right, yet we have quiet protests in town halls looking like orderly cowards while those with the loudest voices of the illegals get heard. It is time to change this. If not, we will not be taken seriously and the invasion will grow far worse.
Anyone see this? I smell a rat as they know that I.C.E.’s budget is limited, it sounds as if they are conspiring to get the whole PWC initiative overturned:
“A regional effort to combat the illegal criminal element could be coming to fruition in the near future.
This summer, a plan was created called the Prince William Regional Criminal Alien Initiative. That program would combine the efforts of Prince William County, Manassas and Manassas Park police departments with the Sheriff’s Department and the Prince William-Manassas Regional Adult Detention Center in order to arrest and eventually deport criminal illegal immigrants.
On Aug. 1, Prince William County chief of police Charlie T. Deane, Prince William Sheriff Glendell Hill, Manassas police chief John Skinner and Manassas Park police chief John Evans signed a letter requesting that the recent memorandum of agreement between Immigration & Customs Enforcement and the regional jail board would be amended to include their respective jurisdictions.
That would mean each jurisdiction represented would receive the necessary ICE training that select members of the regional jail have already received.
According to a letter from Skinner to Manassas Mayor Douglas Waldron and city council dated Aug. 16, Assistant Secretary for Homeland Security Julie Myers has recently been presented this proposal and initially indicated support for it. The letter also states that the request is currently under review by legal staff at Homeland Security.
Former Manassas council member Jackson H. Miller first introduced the issue to the community last October with a motion that the council support ICE training for Prince William-Manassas regional jail officers as long as Prince William County supported the training as well. But the motion also said that if Prince William County does not support the training, then it would call for the council to go forward with plans to have ICE training for Manassas police officers. The city then passed a resolution based on Miller’s motion.
In a March council meeting, Skinner reported that ICE and the Department of Homeland Security would not allow the county, city and regional jail board to enter into a combined agreement under any circumstances, which prompted Manassas to initially go out on its own this spring. Skinner said there was no specific reason given by ICE for that decision.
But while preparing paperwork to go it alone, Skinner had several meetings with the various regional jurisdictions. They ultimately decided that going in together made more sense than applying as separate jurisdictions.
After conducting several meetings with ICE, the respective police heads were able to convince those federal representatives of their commitment to tackling the criminal illegal immigrant issue.
“I think we made it clear that we were willing to work closely with them in developing deportation criteria and the range of offenses a criminal alien might be considered for deportation process,” Skinner said.
If approved, Skinner said he anticipates the agreement between Manassas Park, Prince William County and Manassas will be ready to be presented to Manassas city council for its review in the next 60 days.
Skinner foresees about six city officers, the majority of them detectives, to be cross-trained if the agreement becomes official. These officers would likely be able to implement this training in specialized areas like street and gang crime, said Skinner.
Evans said his department will be ready for that training when the time comes but hasn’t decided how to allocate his resources toward the new program yet. Deane said he will address the issue of staffing at a Sept. 18 Board of Supervisors meeting.
Despite the potential effectiveness of the program, there are some limitations. For example, ICE told Deane that only 40 criminal illegal immigrants can be deported from the regional jail per month. And final decisions on whether a person is deported or not is up to ICE’s discretion, Skinner said .
“They are the lynchpin, they are the chokepoint that expands and controls this,” Skinner said of ICE. “We will recognize that fact and cooperate fully with them.”
There have also been questions raised on how having ICE trained officers in these respective communities might affect the police departments’ relationships with the immigrant populations. Media General’s Richmond Times-Dispatch recently quoted Deane as saying there will be many challenges in implementing ICE training and there is a chance that this implementation could lead to a perception of racism and a lack of trust between the two entities.
Skinner said he shares some of the same concerns as Deane and that the jurisdictions will have to look at other states like California and Arizona to see how effectively ICE training can be implemented at the local level.
Despite those concerns, Deane said training its officers in ICE will be “sending a clear message” to the community that they will “always be striving to protect the victims and witnesses” and that “this program is focused on criminal illegal aliens.”
As of last week, there have been 56 deportation detainers processed at the regional jail, according to Skinner’s letter to mayor and council. There have also been another 35 inmates at the regional jail queued in process for detainers — 23 of them on felony charges and 12 on misdemeanor charges like stalking, malicious wounding, abduction and sexual assault.
Manassas Councilman Jonathan Way said he understands the limitations of the program and that ICE training on a regional level is still a major step forward in combatting the issue of illegal immigrant criminal activity.
“It could be a model for the rest of the nation,” Way said.
Manassas Park councilwoman Fran Kassinger said this is a positive way to address the illegal immigrant criminal element in the regional community.
“What we don’t want is vigilante groups, that would be hazardously and inappropriately addressing the situation,” Kassinger said. “We need to do this within the law and this is one way we can demonstrate this.”
“Even if we could not win, the continual filing of lawsuits would cost the city money and eventually they will have to do something one way or the other.”
Something sounds familiar about this line of thought.
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Anon: I concur with all you said above!
The loud, disorderly protests of the illegals has NOT cast favorable light upon them…it has only served to further rally opposition. These orderly “cowards,” as you call them anon, have managed to rally a large, effective force that has accomplished much in a very short period of time. Few people look upon them as cowards…not even their enemies.
AWC:
I must have read Anon’s post differently than you.
I felt he was just pointing out that it seems to be an American trait to try to settle things by peaceful demonstration, that appears to some to be a sign of weakness.
I did not see his comment as calling anyone a coward!
We have rallied and the momentum is intense for people coming together in our community like nearly no other in America.
It is historically hard to get two neighbors anywhere to work together to better the community, but all that is changing for our community.
Let’s keep it going in the right direction.
700 versus thousands is not a large effective force. Without Federal backing we have no voice. When the amnesty bill came about, we got noticed at the Federal level because we bitched the loudest. The Liberal media takes to the thousands of illegals who gather under our noses and makes fun of the fact that we only have hundreds, out of a population of over 300,000, who are willing to take any sort of stand in our local politics. Who gets the most media coverage? Greg has gotten some, but nowhere near the amount of the illegal alien apologists. The Ghandi approach will not work here, we will simply be steamrolled into oblivion, and the same old same old will not suffice. The approach we took when we defeated the amnesty bill proves that.
And no, I was not calling anyone a coward.
And I am not advocating violence, only leveling the playing field.
1500! VOTERS vs. thousands of NON-VOTERS is a very effective local force…particularly since it is catching on in communities all across the region, and no doubt will catch on across the country. You seem to forget just how young this organization is and just how old this problem that they are addressing.
The numbers versus are very low. Yes the movement is growing, but who is getting the coverage? Is it the people in the town hall, or those outside crying lawsuits, boycotts and marches? They are going to step up their efforts soon, especially with the results of the Hazelton decision. Does anyone think they are going to back down? Politicians only listen to those who can hurt them, quiet protest versus lining of the pockets by those making a racket lose every time. The idiocy in Manassas Park politics plays out the fact that rational thought is not used by those in local power, you have to make a visual impact to go along with the verbal.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/9077261.html
PORTLAND, Ore. - The recent arrest of two men in Milwaukie on murder charges, and the subsequent admission the two made that they were in the country illegally, brought an onslaught of phone calls and e-mails from KATU viewers over issues surrounding their status in the U.S.
In digging deeper, KATU News has learned that local police officers are not allowed to ask whether a person is in the country illegally, something that may come as a surprise.
You see, there is a state law that specifically states that no law enforcement agency in the state of Oregon can use money, equipment or personnel to identify or arrest someone solely because they are in the U.S. illegally.
Many police agencies interpret that to mean their officers cannot legally ask someone if they are a citizen.
Brian McClatchie is a retired immigration officer. For 26 years, he worked to detain and deport people who had come to the U.S. illegally, and until three years ago, he operated out of the Portland office. Before that, he was in San Diego.
“I can remember times when I arrested the same person five and six times during an eight-hour shift,” he said.
McClatchie points to the recent murder case in Milwaukie as an example of the broken immigration system. Both suspects admit entering the country illegally from Mexico six months ago. One of them had previously been arrested for drunk driving and was released, but not deported.
“If they were not here illegally, they’d be in Mexico and whatever murder they may have contemplated or committed would have been somewhere else,” he said.
McClatchie said in his experience, some local police agencies go a step further than telling their officers not to ask whether a suspect is in the U.S. illegally.
“If they do run across somebody they reasonably expect to be an illegal alien, even though they can’t determine that, they’ve been ordered not to contact I.C.E.,” he said.
When we asked why, McClatchie said “because the police command staff and the politicians think that local law enforcement should not be involved in that.”
“The immigration law is extremely complex,” said immigration attorney Brent Renison. “Mistakes can be made and I would say mistakes would be made even more frequently if police officers who didn’t do this on a daily basis were involved.”
Renison said giving local officers that authority would create a whole new class of victims, with illegal arrests, racial profiling and restriction on liberties for people who are citizens.
“If you have these mistakes made on a state or local basis, the state gets sued, the local government gets sued.
I.C.E., which stands for Immigration and Customs Enforcement, does have something called the Criminal Alien Program where federal investigators go to local jails and interview people to see if they are in the U.S. legally. Officials at I.C.E. told KATU News they have been putting immigration holds on 150 people a week at one jail in Seattle alone.
The two illegals in the prior story killed a 15 year old girl:
http://www.davickservices.com/aliens_murder_texas_girl.htm
“700 versus thousands is not a large effective force.”
Tell that to the Spartans!
I was only able to watch a bit of the meeting, as I got home late and cable promptly went out because of the rain. Did all 300 really attend, because there were many empty seats up front. I do think I saw the back of Greg’s head.
I was at last month’s Governing Board meeting, advocating an ordinance that restricts overnight parking on streets as a way of addressing overcrowding issues. Homeowners get a limited number of guest passes a year, but except for that, there is no parking on public streets. In terms of expense, it breaks even there because of the enforcement piece. I provided the information to the GB and I am following up with them. Unlike many people who post about my city, I actually live here and have for five years. I also have no plans to leave. This is my home now. I will to work with the members of the Governing Board, for whom I continue to have great respect, to see if this ordinance can see the light of day. I haven’t lost hope that residential overcrowding can be addressed.
I was also at the council meeting last night, and the utter contempt that Frank Jones held for those who questioned his judgement in ignoring this problem was apparent. I have lived in the Park going on 4 years now, and until tonight, I was happy to be blissfully ignorant of the local government mechanism. No more.
When Fran Kassinger made her ridiculous statement about people advocating “ethnic cleansing”, I knew exactly what the tenor of the council’s statements would be. I could care less what the race, color or creed of an illegal alien is, only that the alien is treated in a matter befitting a nation who respects the rule of law. That is, confinement and subsequent deportation. When Kassinger can prove that I advocate deportation of one ethnic group over another purely on the basis of race, then she can call me a racist. Until then, she needs to look for fresher talking points, because the racist angle is getting stale.
Keith Miller opined that border enforcement was the root of the problem, and that “the last time (he) checked, we don’t share a border” with Mexico. Wow. Way to study a map, Carmen Sandiego. As though people crossing the border illegally just sit there at border’s edge and set up shop. He completely misses the point that if you tolerate the presence of illegal aliens through non-enforcement, they will most certainly seek your jurisdiction out.
Cynde Gardner mumbled about not liking the fact that Spanish people answer the phone sometimes and she can’t understand them. Big deal. Are the people on the other end of the phone here legally? If they are, they can use any language they want. And though she was the “strongest” voice against illegal aliens in the Park (ostensibly by virtue of not having included in her statement the standard rote of complaints of Manassas Park’s hands being tied by lack of federal immigration enforcement), she still lacked the courage of her convictions to vote against the city statement on illegal immigration.
Brian Polk was on vacation and thusly not in attendance, but he did manage to craft a statement (read by Frank Jones) that called us racists anyway. Good job Brian. I wouldn’t want your vacation to get in the way of telling me what I terrible bigot I am for calling you out in your complicity on the non-enforcement of our laws. But I have to give you an “A” for effort, as you were the only one who actually used the dreaded “r-word” in your statement. “A” for effort, “F” for originality.
Bill Treuting was Frank Jones-lite. All the hyperbole, none of the originality.
And Mayor Frank Jones, who roundly chastised an unnamed local grassroots organization for not taking their campaign nationally (however those dots are connected), proceeded to invoke the “Ugly-American” syndrome of France ca. 1970, as though that actually wasn’t half a world away and three decades ago. The distinction Jones fails to make is that he was guilty only of being American in France, while we seek the resolution of those who are guilty of being in America ILLEGALLY, regardless of their origins. He would have us believe that any comparison can be made between his prejudiced reception in the City of Lights over 30 years ago and the fact that we are extolling lawmakers to uphold their legislation in accord to the will of the people.
The only cold comfort of this episode is that Option A (adopt a statement) and Option B (do nothing) are so similar as to lack any apparent contrast. The only difference between the state of affairs now and that of 24 hours ago is that the Park governing board is now on the record as a body of do-nothings.
My only regret is that I did not take advantage of citizen’s time at the meeting to air my concerns. Being new to local politics, I was there to observe the atmosphere and see how the forum is arrayed. Now that I know what it’s about, the council will not be able to depend on my silence anymore.
BDB:
I haven’t seen many Spartan-like folks in PWC in the 20 years I’ve lived here!
Another post said, “I felt he was just pointing out that it seems to be an American trait to try to settle things by peaceful demonstration, that appears to some to be a sign of weakness.”
The majority of illegals, who are Hispanic, do in fact view Americans as weak, spineless, self-interested, and prone to cutting and running when the stuff hits the fan. That’s why they’re so emboldened to flaunt laws, ordinances, and community standards.
But I’ve got some worse news for you. Just wait till the Islamacist population gets large enough to flex. Not only do they share all the contempt for Americans that Hispanics have, but they do not have the religious convictions of the Hispanics that serve to deter most from engaging in the worst behavior. Quite the opposite. Their religion has been hijacked by those espousing terrorism and murder. Yaul ain’t seen nothing yet. The Chamberlain-like behavior of the MP pols is repeated thousands of times across this country. We will pay for it in the loss of our safety, our orderly society, our values, and possibly our lives. America was a nice dream, but its price, as a wise man once remarked, was eternal vigilance. We were caught napping.
Your time at the fair would have been better spent at the firing range.
I say protests are not the answer.
1). The liberal MSM will either demean the anti-illegal protest or focus on “their poor picked-on illegals”. Look at the National Right to Life marches in DC where hundreds of thousands of pro-life supporters show up (including myself), and a few NOW and NARAL abortion rights folks at the Supreme Court steps. Yet in media coverage the few abortion rights folks get more coverage and are cast as persecuted defenders, and the pro-lifers are cast as Christian right wing wackos. The numbers don’t matter to them.
2). The MSM does not change the laws, our legislators do. The anti-illegal alien movement is effective by appealing to our legislators who hold the power to change. Unlike the pro-illegal alien movement who bus in people from other areas, and have speakers from groups outside the area like the National Coalition of Latino Clergy, who make a lot of noise but have no standing here, a large group of legal residents which represents a large voting block is much more powerful. Contacting our legislators and working directly with them as their constituents has been, and will continue to be the most effective method of evoking change.
I regret that I was unable to attend last night, but it was my girlfriend’s birthday and a night with her is much more enjoyable than a night of raising my blood pressure listening to these goons. It was probably lucky that I didn’t go or else I would have made a scene and a name for myself as someone on their hit list of citizens to harass. I wouldn’t have taken kindly to being called a racist by people that are supposedly there to represent me and the laws which I hold so dear.
I am in knots over this situation. I don’t sleep at night any more. I am constantly worried about not being able to sell my house because of being in an undesirable location, rapidly decreasing property values, trash and blight. NOBODY wants to live in this town now except for illegals, and they aren’t going to be able to get loans now that credit has dried up. I can honestly say that in the past year my quality of life has dropped a considerable amount. The icing on the cake would be listening to the council call my concerns unwarranted and refer to me as a racist. I think I am going to take a break from this blog and from politics in general. It’s just too frustrating to see this kind of behavior by corrupt elected officials and continued acceptance of the decline of this town into a ghetto. I agree that HSM really needs to get more vocal and that protests outside MP City Hall really have to happen now to let them know we mean business. Until this happens, I am going to just take a break from this nonsense and let my blood pressure and stress levels drop before they start affecting my health. Peace out.
I do feel and understand the frustration just spoken of by park’d. I too just got done venting to others this morning.
WTF?-
Park’d and redawn:
A few hours at the firing range will leave you refreshed, invigorated, and empowered.
Advocator,
Good point. I have to say, we will be @ the firing range sooner than later, as my husband ( encourage by his father and mine) has been talking about getting a firearm for safety.
Park’d - I understand that your frustration with the state of affairs regarding the Park’s governance can lead to your wholesale disenchantment with local politics period. Lord knows I at least thought about giving up after I walked out of the meeting last night. But there’s no resolution to be found in giving up the fight, and no number of citizens inside the Park can agitate for the change we need without being as vocal as necessary to stir the Park council into positive action. It is precisely us that can make the difference, because HSM won’t be given to voice to speak for us to the council. We have to speak for ourselves under the banner of HSM to get any exposure at all.
I understand you need a break. We all need a break sometimes, particularly in an atmosphere as charged as this one. But I’d ask you lend your voice when it’s needed, to effect the change you want. Those are the voices of HSM from within Manassas Park, and those are the voices we didn’t hear loudly enough last night.
redawn:
Never announce to anyone again that you’re unarmed. Unarmed is synonymous in today’s society with helpless. Helpless people are victimized by criminals and liberals. Go get a gun. Get several. Don’t forget plenty of ammo. Carry them while you go for walks in your neighborhood. Wear them on your belt while you wash your car and do yard work. Your whole attitude on life will change.
Advocator,
thanks
Gotcha- not that we don’t have hunting rifles, etc.
Park’d,
You have my sympathies. Been there, done that, and might be doing it again sooner than I would like over here in Sudley.
I was stuck in Irongate back in the late 70’s. Same reason. Slumsville. It happened almost overnight. Nice when I bought. Turned to crap. I couldn’t sell my house for enough cash to move elsewhere.
I ended up renting out my house and I rented a house elsewhere for a couple of years. Market conditions changed (Irongate didn’t) and a house flipper bought it as an investment. I wasn’t even a slum lord. I found a realtor to handle the lease etc who dealt mainly with the CIA school down in Warrenton. All my leasees were CIA trainees.
I give you all the details of my life to let you know there is hope and there are ways to escape. No Surrender….the Boss!
I guess it time to start breaking the law ourselfs and drive them out. DTS=deport the sp*cks. Civil war is on the way!
I know this is over the top, but many feel this way. Call me a racist, but for ten years I’ve watched our neiborhood become the HOOD. Unless something is done soon, be on the lookout for serious violence to begin.
Maybee our so-called leaders will take this serious!
Hold fast, DTS. When the time comes (which, btw, I hope it doesn’t) there’ll be no doubt in your mind it’s here.
Last night I was thinking about how do the families of 911 feel about the nonaction of our federal government in doing something about the borders jumpers. We seriously need to do something. Is there any recourse we can take against our Federal government for not inforcing our exisiting laws, besides voting? Is it really time for aonther civil war to break out? I am in no way advocating such action but it is on the tips of everyones tongue( bothsides).
DTS - Thoughts like that are best kept to yourself are shared with those whom explicitly place that kind of action as their agenda. It has no place here, regardless of your level of frustration. You do yourself no favors by advocating the same disregard for the rule of our laws as we are trying to remedy. You only lend credence to the outlandish pronouncements of vigilatism by the likes of Fran Kassinger.
I think the MP councilmembers ought to have a sign on their desk: “The buck doesn’t stop here. It speeds away from here”.
I’m terribly disappointed with Fran, at this point–she has been on city council for, oh, a year now, and has accomplished nothing. Big fat nothing. Now, these inane comments… I suppose I should have seen it when she was all up in arms last year over the coloring book and how it might be perceived as offensive to the Hispanic community.
[This was a coloring book they were using in the elementary schools to educate students about how to be a good neighbor, addressing such things as taking trash cans in after garbage day, mowing the lawn when the grass gets tall, etc. Ironically, Fran had never seen the book when she was talking about how offensive it was supposed to be….]
DTS
Please let’s not resort to name calling. That is really ugly and will not help us at all!!
redawn-”Last night I was thinking about how do the families of 911 feel about the nonaction of our federal government in doing something about the borders jumpers”
They are speaking out about illegal immigration and are also being called racists for doing so. If I can find the article I recently read about this I’ll post it.
Maureen,
Thanks~
People like DTS is why people have a negative perception of HSM.
Manassas Park residents.
Please have patience and be persistent.
Remember, HSM was only a small meeting of two people in February 2007. That was only six quick months ago!
Now the numbers are growing at such a rate, many said this would / could not happen. Manassas Park residents will feel the power soon!
Anything I have ever wanted in life came to me as a result of just hanging in there and not giving up. This too will be the way in the Park. Just have patience. Give a little as you can. Take a well deserved break from it all as you need. You people are not quitters, that is quite apparent. You can’t quit, it’s just not you!
I have come to have a great deal of respect for all the posters on this blog, I am proud to be a part of what is happening here in Manassas, MP and PWC.
GO “HELP SAVE MANASSAS” members!
GOD bless you all.
“I haven’t seen many Spartan-like folks in PWC in the 20 years I’ve lived here!”
Advocater,
They are here now, and they are HSM.
Anonymous said on 22 Aug 2007 at 12:25 pm:
“People like DTS is why people have a negative perception of HSM.”
And why do you associate this person to HSM? These are individual people stating their views and feelings on illegal aliens in the community. NO ONE has said they belong to HSM. And if you read this blog often enough some of these people have been asked, by the leader’s of HSM not to post inflammatory comments. HSM IS NOT a hate group, a group of racists, etc. and those of you, including Mayor Jones, should come to one of our meetings to see what we do and what we have accomplished.
BVBL is not the website of HSM. Go to www.helpsavemanassas.org that is what HSM is about. BVBL gives people an outlet of their frustrations over this issue and people do need an outlet. But you need to remember to separate the two.
Maureen Wood
Legislative Director
Help Save Manassas
What do all you fellow americans think the greatest generation would have done in this circumstance. Pollictical correctness will be the end of our communitys. I just made that aggressive post to prove a point that we are divided. Look at american history and the reson why our country is so great, and no Im not a member of HSM. Just someone who wanted to prove a point. All you do gooders and bleeding harts like Jeanette Rishell who by the way knock on my door and lied to my face is the reason we are in this mess. So make your accusations and watch what happens. I know human nature and what people are capable of, so just stay divided and hope its get better. Bunch of naive idiots.
Maureen, I was wrong. DTS isn’t one of yours. Clearly, you and Greg are intelligent enough to use spell check or a dictionary. DTS… eh, not so much.
I read the Potomac News Today and the officials who run Manassas Park should be voted out. The comments they made were totally uncalled for and just reminded me as something out of the mouth of a person who is uneducated.
Manassas Park will continue to be Manassas Park until they get new leaders who “CARE”.
Jellyfish Jones and the Flounders! Live every Tuesday at MP City Hall!* The performance starts at 7pm. Be there! Be there! BE THERE!!!!!!
*Enter through the right front side door, then go through the door marked “EMPLOYEES ONLY”, the stage is on your right!
I have lived in the Bloom’s Crossing section of Manassas Park since 1993. When we moved here, this was a very nice and safe neighborhood and was until about two years ago.
Now, there are two houses on our street that have anywhere from 8 - 15 male borders renting space and those individuals seem to change quite frequently. A third house has two or three families renting (4 bedroom homes). These three properties are not maintained and have a very run down appearance. I have seen laundry hanging over the back fences, garbage in the yards and mattresses on one of the back decks. There are always so many cars parked in the street in front of these houses and on a few occasions, they have even parked the cars in the front yards. The persons renting these properties and their friends drive up and down the street blaring their stereos constantly and I have heard them as late as 1:30AM. I’ll admit I have no proof that they are all illegal, but my guess would be good that most, if not all, of them are.
I’ve read other posts on here where it’s mentioned if nothing is done soon, we will end up with violence. The “intimidation factor” seems to be starting here. Three neighbor ladies and I were out on the sidewalk talking the other day, and a guy drove by & basically stopped when he saw us, and was yelling at us in Spanish and shaking his fist. After he continued on his way, we noticed him pulling into the driveway of one of the three houses. He came by again, with a female passenger this time, stopped where we were and layed on the horn and both were yelling at us in Spanish. We were minding our own business and were clearly on the sidewalk, not in the street. We didn’t do anything to instigate this incident. Quite frankly, I really don’t feel safe here like I used to.
Another concern is the property values and how they have gone down quickly. Starting in 2001, many homes here were selling within days and some even had multiple bids, meaning the selling owners were often getting more than their asking price. Currently, there are three houses within a few doors of our house that have been for sale for over a year and the deterorating conditions have not helped. Two of the owners trying to sell have reduced their prices drastically. I’ve heard that some realtors won’t even show houses on our street to potential buyers because of the deteriorating conditions on our street.
It’s a shame that the MP Council Members have decided to “do nothing”. I will be keeping on top of this and if there are no changes, the current members of City Council will not be getting my vote next election.