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By Greg L | 23 August 2007 | Illegal Aliens, Virginia Politics | 39 Comments
If you think it might be a good idea for the Commonwealth to deport criminal illegal aliens after their detention ends rather than simply release them back into the community, you might want to sign this petition. Why would we want to permit illegal aliens convicted of rape, indecent liberties with a child, felony assault or worse, to continue to reside in Virginia?
Tell everyone you know about this, and get them to sign too. It’s time to put the heat on Governor Kaine.
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What a great petition. Have all of HSM fill it out!
I find it very sad that we need to band together to get a petition signed to have the Governor and State and Federal Law Enforcement agencies to do something that is not only the law anyway, but general common sense. It’s bad enough that just about all criminals get suspended sentences in Prince William County and released back on the streets, but it is even more unconscionable when the criminals are ILLEGALLY here in this Country. Spend a few hours in one of the crowded General District Courtrooms, as long as you can stand the stench, and listen to the plea agreements and sentencings. It will turn your stomach. Sometimes I wonder why the police even bother arresting these people. The courts just let them go.
I signed the petition first thing this morning. I was so pleased to see it. We need this petition and 287(g), statewide!! Everyone, please forward this to all legal citizens of the Old Dominion State.
Thank you Bob D!!!!
Our Governor must listen to the legal citizens. The US Senate, listened to the WILL of the people they represent. All localities must do the same.
ddpdrinker
The docket was pretty NASTY up on the third floor today. I wonder how many deals were cut today? Also, have you signed that petition yet.?
It is just sad period that LOCAL government has to step in to do what we can do. IT SHOULD BE NATIONWIDE. Thank you to those that have stepped up to the plate ,one being MR. JOHN STIRRUP
Got in within the first 100. I can’t wait to see how many people will actually sign this thing, and don’t think for a second that I won’t be telling everyone I know about. Thanks for posting this, Greg.
I was number 85 and I am very glad that this petition was available.
I was number 95!!! Lafayette, I refer to the 3rd floor as Circus Court.
ddpd
I see you now!!
I love that Circus Court. Do the deputies say “Send In The Clowns”-Judy Collins. The numbers on the petition are goining UP!!
ddpdrinker’s missive (part):
“I find it very sad that we need to band together to get a petition signed to have the Governor and State and Federal Law Enforcement agencies to do something that is not only the law anyway, but general common sense….”
It is sad. But there’s reasons to be optimistic. This issue is galvanizing people. Those opposed to illegal immigration are starting to wake up. Most people are not politically active, but I believe that if you give people ways to voice their concerns they will, especially on this issue.
When the “amnesty” bill was being debated in the U.S. Senate, all the “leaders” thought it was a done deal. They were going to ram that bill down our throats and make ~12 million illegal aliens instant citizens. Problem solved, they thought. Well, something happened on the way to the vote count. They got so much political heat from us peons that it got shot down. Not once, but twice.
I got so mad at my “elected representatives” that I was livid for weeks. I faxed, emailed and called Webb, Warner, the Whitehouse and a few others, a lot! Strangely, Congressman Davis was the only one that replied to me.
Yea, it’s a shame we need to petition them to do the obvious (plus call/fax/email/etc.) But it can work. We need to wake the sleeping giant.
Or am I being too overly hopeful!?
Take care…
You might want to tweak the language a bit on the petition. The “rape, indecent liberties with children and felony” language somehow dropped out and the document now just references deporting people after “detention.” You might also want to amend the thing so that we send this to the President, as opposed to the Governor. Can’t see that a state Governor can do much about this. While we’re at it, any chance of deporting (at least out of state) legal residents who commit those sorts of atrocious crimes? Send them to Maryland, I say.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JgHim9_9nE
“The City believes most residents in Manassas Park are legally present…”
The MP city council cannot possibly believe this statement is true. Why would they include such an obvious misrepresentation? This is either designed as deception or it’s incredible incompetence. If this is a white-wash, what is there reasoning. Have they figured out that the local economy is operating under the table? Have they calculated that without the illegals the tax base collapses? Forclosures become so rampent that property values collapse? Can this scenario cause the city to fail? Are they afraid of legal suits by hispanic interests.
These leaders aren’t stupid. So…Why the double-speak?
If I’m off base please explain….
On the Sean Hannity radio show today, I heard that an appeals court in Kansas recently ruled that while crossing the border into this country without authority of immigration officials is illegal, once an alien is here, continued residence in this country is NOT illegal…UNLESS the person has been deported one and returns. If an alien is deported and returns, then his/her presence in this country is illegal.
Can you believe this??
Kansas, yes I read about that..
Damn glad we’re not in Kansas any more huh Toto ?
North Carolina senator Elizabeth Dole is trying to get the entire state to be able to identify and deport illegals aliens who commit crimes. Maybe they need a “Help Save” chapter? Read the comments at the bottom.
http://wral.com/news/local/politics/story/1736892/
Everyone should send the link to the petition to everyone on their e-mail list, even if they don’t live in Virginia. Ask them to pass it on to everyone they know. LET’S ROLL.
http://www.petitiononline.com/VA287g/petition.html
Advocator,
I e-mailed to all, and asked them to do the same.
LET’S ROLL indeed.
All those reading from other states,
Please, pass it on too. All 50 states need a petition like the one that’s just been started today in Virginia.
The petition link needs to be sent to the thousand-plus members of HSM, and I know it will, who, in turn, will send to others, etc. LET’S ROLL indeeeeeeeeeddddddd
I signed it earlier tonight.
freedom and Dan: I’m not familiar with the Kansas case, but from your description, it sounds correct. Uninspected entry is “illegal”, in that it violates US customs and immigration law (it is not a felony and not a “crime”, the latter word being somewhat amorphous and not a term of art), but my understanding is that presence after uninspected entry is not a separate offense. If someone is found to have entered without inspection, they can be held and deported because of the entry. Again, this is not because they are “criminals,” but because they have not complied with our entry procedures. The same is true for those who overstay visas or who are otherwise out of status, even if their entry was legal. This is one of several reasons that some of us take issue with the sweeping generalization that all out of status or illegal entrants are “criminals” by virtue of having entered without inspection. When the issue is argued that way, it distracts and detracts from our being able to address what are indeed real issues associated with illegal immigration - economic issues (positive and negative), impacts on schools and infrastructure, lagging economies in Mexico and Central America, and the presence of an unregistered, underground population and economy in an otherwise highly regulated (and taxed) above-ground economy. It is concededly a lot more exciting to inveigh against a large imagined “criminal” population, but there’s no evidence that this group is any more “criminal” than the rest of us. There’s some evidence that they are less so. The only way we can change these immigrants into “criminals” as a class is by arguing that the uninspected entry makes them “criminals.” But if we get stuck on that largely imaginary issue, we miss the chance to deal intelligently with the important concerns that really do attend a federal policy that badly needs an overhaul.
But everyone is missing the point. They do commit further crimes once here: document forgery, identity theft, working without a green card, stealing benefits that are for legal citizens, etc. Additionally, those that harbor them are committing a crime by aiding and abetting.
Some do, some don’t, Patriot. And the items you mention are driven by the absence of a coherent federal policy for permitting above-board work by transient, temporary non-citizen labor. The most effective way of dealing with that is to get the feds to quickly enact workable guest worker legislation. Petitions to Governors and local officials get us precisely nowhere.
Some of the folks here legally commit crimes, some don’t. There are tried and true ways of dealing with that sort of thing.
NoVA Scout - You just got done saying that “uninspected entry is ‘illegal’”, and then you turn around and say that ” If someone is found to have entered without inspection, they can be held and deported because of the entry. Again, this is not because they are ‘criminals’, but because they have not complied with our entry procedures.”
How precisely is someone who performed, by your admission, an illegal act not a criminal? Not complying with our entry procedures makes them criminals, because that activity is illegal. Just as it is illegal to overstay a visa, which is in contravention to the issuance regulations of the visa.
You strain your credibility when you put “illegal” in quotes. You break the law, that’s illegal. No showy use of punctuation will change that point.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57296
Mexican Trucks Ready to Roll Sept 1st!
http://www.numbersusa.com/interests/attrition.html
Great article on Attrition through enforcement! This is why we need the Governor to get onboard!
NOVA Scout is correct in stating that unauthorized entry is illegal, but that continued presence is not. The “crime,” or more correctly, the “illegality,” is complete as soon as unauthorized entry is made or upon expiration of a visa. Hence the correct moniker for these people is “illegal alien” as opposed to “undocumented” or “criminal.”
The felonies connected with immigration law generally consist of acts that aid, assist, or abet violation of immigration law. For example, renting to or otherwise allowing an illegal alien to use a dwelling you own is a federal felony. Knowingly hiring illegals is a federal felony. Making it easier for illegals to gain entry (smuggling them, falsification of dox, etc.) is a felony.
The immigration laws were set up so that the law abiding, ordinary garden variety illegal alien could not be prosecuted and thrown in a slammer, but the people who profit from illegal immigration could be. Unfortunately, those laws have not been enforced. The reasons are many. Failure to secure the borders. Failure to properly fund INS (now ICE). Refusal by management of INS to aggresively enforce the laws because they were not being funded properly. Politization by both parties of INS and DHS senior leadership positions (”you’re doing a great job, Brownie” type of attitude). Recognition by both parties that the issue was potentially explosive, and choosing avoidance rather than risking antagonism (e.g., Frank Wolf’s failure to address any aspect of the problem, except for a letter to Jorge).
As I’ve said before, the price of liberty is eternal vigilance. We were caught napping on this issue.
Sign petition: http://www.petitiononline.com/VA287g/petition.html
Most of the owners of businesses in PWC would be in jail if the enforced the law.
One more reason to sign the petition (as if we needed anymore):
From the New York Post:
NEWARK FIENDS FIRST FAILED AT SEX ATTACK: REPORT
By AUSTIN FENNER
August 23, 2007 — The thugs who shot four college students in Newark reportedly preceded their sick attack by trying to sexually assault their two female victims.
The group of six assailants - who shot two men and a woman dead and wounded another woman - failed in their attempt at a sexual attack, and then decided to kill their victims, according to 1010 WINS radio.
Six suspects have now been charged in the Aug. 4 atrocity, in which the victims were blasted execution-style.
Yesterday, a family member of one of the slain victims, Iofemi Hightower, described the level of savagery of the attack. He said the thugs used a machete to hack their victims.
“They cut my niece’s face off,” said John McClain, who is Hightower’s great-uncle, and the chaplain of the Newark Police Department. “They cut her from cheek to cheek. They left her head hanging.”
McClain said the mortician told him he had to work for three days to put his grand-niece’s face back together.
“Most people couldn’t tell, when he was done, but the family could tell,” he said.
One of the accused killers, 17-year-old Alexander Alfaro, is scheduled to appear in court today in Virginia, where he is expected to waive extradition to New Jersey.
Five other suspects - 28-year-old Jose Carranza, an illegal immigrant from Peru; Rodolfo Godinez, 24, Alfaro’s half-brother; Melvin Jovel, 18, of Elizabeth, N.J.; and two unnamed 15-year-old boys - are in custody.
Yesterday, authorities would neither confirm nor deny the radio report that Alfaro and his cohorts allegedly tried to sexually assault Hightower and Natasha Aeriel, 19, who survived the attack.
austin.fenner@nypost.com
This is disgusting! Why hasn’t this been reported by the national media? All the public knows, is that these four people were shot, not that other atrocities happened to them. DEATH PENALTY!!!!!!!!!!!!
Advocator said on 24 Aug 2007 at 10:10 am:
“One of the accused killers, 17-year-old Alexander Alfaro, is scheduled to appear in court today in Virginia, where he is expected to waive extradition to New Jersey”
I heard that one of the suspects (I believe arrested in Woodbridge?) was scheduled to appear in PWC court yesterday or today…. could it be this guy?…I am still researching will update with new info. Anyone else know?
I have said again and again that the media is ignoring this case and they are trying to hide the facts so as to not give anti illegal alien activits any ammunition. I am tired of seeing this level of crime swept under the rug.
The thing that angers me the most is that the media spent but a few seconds showing the funeral of these children, while they should have spent at least enough time to honor their life and death. The media spent considerably more time covering the “accident” of Governor Corzine that this grevious crime.
God bless the fourth victim for speaking up and getting these animals arrested.
UPDATE OF MY COMMENT @ 10:41:
See atricle
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/23/AR2007082302217.html?sub=new
It will be interesting to see what kind of protection the DA decides is proper for the witness. Considering latino gang history her chances of survival aren’t very good, unless she is under 24 surveillance. It will also be interesting to see whether they seek the death penalty or not. My guess is that they won’t.
One way of knowing what really happened In New Jersey is to obtain a Summary of the Facts or other similar filing at the time of indictment. Unless they seal the proceedings, the documents is to be available to the public.
I wish we could deport them to the tip of South America. At least then it would take a real effort to sneak back in.
Rob Smalls: Not every act that is inconsistent with legal requirements is a crime. To be confessional about it, I am generally a law-abiding conservative of the first rank, but there are times when I have exceeded the posted speed limits. In my 40+ years of driving, I have even received two citations for this anti-social behavior. To be even more personally revealing, the two times I got caught were not the only times I have exceeded the speed limits. Whether cited or not, my acts are illegal or unlawful. Under your approach, I am a “criminal.” (and I hazard a guess that you are too). I don’t really feel that way about it and the law does not consider me a criminal or a felon.
from the New York Post –August 13 2007
“Rodolfo Godinez obtained a green card in 2001 and was allowed to stay in the United States despite later robbery and assault arrests.”
http://www.americanpatrol.com/REFERENCE/FamilyValuesLink.html
Please check out this link to the Michelle Malkin blog regarding the Newark murders:
http://www.michellemalkin.com/2007/08/23/did-the-newark-murder-suspects-benefit-from-illegal-alien-amnesty-programs/