Comments on: Sign The Petition! http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/23/sign-the-petition/ Blog-Fu for Prince William, Manassas and Manassas Park politics. Tue, 22 May 2012 05:08:09 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.3 By: Bridget http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/23/sign-the-petition/#comment-21873 Bridget Sun, 26 Aug 2007 15:50:59 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/23/sign-the-petition/#comment-21873 from the New York Post --August 13 2007 "Rodolfo Godinez obtained a green card in 2001 and was allowed to stay in the United States despite later robbery and assault arrests." http://www.americanpatrol.com/REFERENCE/FamilyValuesLink.html Please check out this link to the Michelle Malkin blog regarding the Newark murders: http://www.michellemalkin.com/2007/08/23/did-the-newark-murder-suspects-benefit-from-illegal-alien-amnesty-programs/ from the New York Post –August 13 2007

“Rodolfo Godinez obtained a green card in 2001 and was allowed to stay in the United States despite later robbery and assault arrests.”

http://www.americanpatrol.com/REFERENCE/FamilyValuesLink.html

Please check out this link to the Michelle Malkin blog regarding the Newark murders:

http://www.michellemalkin.com/2007/08/23/did-the-newark-murder-suspects-benefit-from-illegal-alien-amnesty-programs/

]]> By: NoVA Scout http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/23/sign-the-petition/#comment-21798 NoVA Scout Sat, 25 Aug 2007 13:24:16 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/23/sign-the-petition/#comment-21798 Rob Smalls: Not every act that is inconsistent with legal requirements is a crime. To be confessional about it, I am generally a law-abiding conservative of the first rank, but there are times when I have exceeded the posted speed limits. In my 40+ years of driving, I have even received two citations for this anti-social behavior. To be even more personally revealing, the two times I got caught were not the only times I have exceeded the speed limits. Whether cited or not, my acts are illegal or unlawful. Under your approach, I am a "criminal." (and I hazard a guess that you are too). I don't really feel that way about it and the law does not consider me a criminal or a felon. Rob Smalls: Not every act that is inconsistent with legal requirements is a crime. To be confessional about it, I am generally a law-abiding conservative of the first rank, but there are times when I have exceeded the posted speed limits. In my 40+ years of driving, I have even received two citations for this anti-social behavior. To be even more personally revealing, the two times I got caught were not the only times I have exceeded the speed limits. Whether cited or not, my acts are illegal or unlawful. Under your approach, I am a “criminal.” (and I hazard a guess that you are too). I don’t really feel that way about it and the law does not consider me a criminal or a felon.

]]> By: anon http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/23/sign-the-petition/#comment-21730 anon Fri, 24 Aug 2007 23:11:18 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/23/sign-the-petition/#comment-21730 I wish we could deport them to the tip of South America. At least then it would take a real effort to sneak back in. I wish we could deport them to the tip of South America. At least then it would take a real effort to sneak back in.

]]> By: fed up http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/23/sign-the-petition/#comment-21683 fed up Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:49:55 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/23/sign-the-petition/#comment-21683 One way of knowing what really happened In New Jersey is to obtain a Summary of the Facts or other similar filing at the time of indictment. Unless they seal the proceedings, the documents is to be available to the public. One way of knowing what really happened In New Jersey is to obtain a Summary of the Facts or other similar filing at the time of indictment. Unless they seal the proceedings, the documents is to be available to the public.

]]> By: mad mom http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/23/sign-the-petition/#comment-21660 mad mom Fri, 24 Aug 2007 16:47:35 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/23/sign-the-petition/#comment-21660 It will be interesting to see what kind of protection the DA decides is proper for the witness. Considering latino gang history her chances of survival aren't very good, unless she is under 24 surveillance. It will also be interesting to see whether they seek the death penalty or not. My guess is that they won't. It will be interesting to see what kind of protection the DA decides is proper for the witness. Considering latino gang history her chances of survival aren’t very good, unless she is under 24 surveillance. It will also be interesting to see whether they seek the death penalty or not. My guess is that they won’t.

]]> By: redawn http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/23/sign-the-petition/#comment-21637 redawn Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:23:14 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/23/sign-the-petition/#comment-21637 UPDATE OF MY COMMENT @ 10:41: See atricle http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/23/AR2007082302217.html?sub=new UPDATE OF MY COMMENT @ 10:41:

See atricle

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/23/AR2007082302217.html?sub=new

]]> By: Legal2 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/23/sign-the-petition/#comment-21635 Legal2 Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:18:01 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/23/sign-the-petition/#comment-21635 God bless the fourth victim for speaking up and getting these animals arrested. God bless the fourth victim for speaking up and getting these animals arrested.

]]> By: fed up http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/23/sign-the-petition/#comment-21633 fed up Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:13:05 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/23/sign-the-petition/#comment-21633 I have said again and again that the media is ignoring this case and they are trying to hide the facts so as to not give anti illegal alien activits any ammunition. I am tired of seeing this level of crime swept under the rug. The thing that angers me the most is that the media spent but a few seconds showing the funeral of these children, while they should have spent at least enough time to honor their life and death. The media spent considerably more time covering the "accident" of Governor Corzine that this grevious crime. I have said again and again that the media is ignoring this case and they are trying to hide the facts so as to not give anti illegal alien activits any ammunition. I am tired of seeing this level of crime swept under the rug.

The thing that angers me the most is that the media spent but a few seconds showing the funeral of these children, while they should have spent at least enough time to honor their life and death. The media spent considerably more time covering the “accident” of Governor Corzine that this grevious crime.

]]> By: redawn http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/23/sign-the-petition/#comment-21626 redawn Fri, 24 Aug 2007 14:41:16 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/23/sign-the-petition/#comment-21626 Advocator said on 24 Aug 2007 at 10:10 am: "One of the accused killers, 17-year-old Alexander Alfaro, is scheduled to appear in court today in Virginia, where he is expected to waive extradition to New Jersey" I heard that one of the suspects (I believe arrested in Woodbridge?) was scheduled to appear in PWC court yesterday or today.... could it be this guy?...I am still researching will update with new info. Anyone else know? Advocator said on 24 Aug 2007 at 10:10 am:

“One of the accused killers, 17-year-old Alexander Alfaro, is scheduled to appear in court today in Virginia, where he is expected to waive extradition to New Jersey”

I heard that one of the suspects (I believe arrested in Woodbridge?) was scheduled to appear in PWC court yesterday or today…. could it be this guy?…I am still researching will update with new info. Anyone else know?

]]> By: Maureen Wood http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/23/sign-the-petition/#comment-21623 Maureen Wood Fri, 24 Aug 2007 14:30:02 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/23/sign-the-petition/#comment-21623 This is disgusting! Why hasn't this been reported by the national media? All the public knows, is that these four people were shot, not that other atrocities happened to them. DEATH PENALTY!!!!!!!!!!!! This is disgusting! Why hasn’t this been reported by the national media? All the public knows, is that these four people were shot, not that other atrocities happened to them. DEATH PENALTY!!!!!!!!!!!!

]]> By: Advocator http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/23/sign-the-petition/#comment-21620 Advocator Fri, 24 Aug 2007 14:10:45 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/23/sign-the-petition/#comment-21620 One more reason to sign the petition (as if we needed anymore): From the New York Post: NEWARK FIENDS FIRST FAILED AT SEX ATTACK: REPORT By AUSTIN FENNER August 23, 2007 -- The thugs who shot four college students in Newark reportedly preceded their sick attack by trying to sexually assault their two female victims. The group of six assailants - who shot two men and a woman dead and wounded another woman - failed in their attempt at a sexual attack, and then decided to kill their victims, according to 1010 WINS radio. Six suspects have now been charged in the Aug. 4 atrocity, in which the victims were blasted execution-style. Yesterday, a family member of one of the slain victims, Iofemi Hightower, described the level of savagery of the attack. He said the thugs used a machete to hack their victims. "They cut my niece's face off," said John McClain, who is Hightower's great-uncle, and the chaplain of the Newark Police Department. "They cut her from cheek to cheek. They left her head hanging." McClain said the mortician told him he had to work for three days to put his grand-niece's face back together. "Most people couldn't tell, when he was done, but the family could tell," he said. One of the accused killers, 17-year-old Alexander Alfaro, is scheduled to appear in court today in Virginia, where he is expected to waive extradition to New Jersey. Five other suspects - 28-year-old Jose Carranza, an illegal immigrant from Peru; Rodolfo Godinez, 24, Alfaro's half-brother; Melvin Jovel, 18, of Elizabeth, N.J.; and two unnamed 15-year-old boys - are in custody. Yesterday, authorities would neither confirm nor deny the radio report that Alfaro and his cohorts allegedly tried to sexually assault Hightower and Natasha Aeriel, 19, who survived the attack. austin.fenner@nypost.com One more reason to sign the petition (as if we needed anymore):

From the New York Post:

NEWARK FIENDS FIRST FAILED AT SEX ATTACK: REPORT
By AUSTIN FENNER

August 23, 2007 — The thugs who shot four college students in Newark reportedly preceded their sick attack by trying to sexually assault their two female victims.
The group of six assailants - who shot two men and a woman dead and wounded another woman - failed in their attempt at a sexual attack, and then decided to kill their victims, according to 1010 WINS radio.

Six suspects have now been charged in the Aug. 4 atrocity, in which the victims were blasted execution-style.

Yesterday, a family member of one of the slain victims, Iofemi Hightower, described the level of savagery of the attack. He said the thugs used a machete to hack their victims.

“They cut my niece’s face off,” said John McClain, who is Hightower’s great-uncle, and the chaplain of the Newark Police Department. “They cut her from cheek to cheek. They left her head hanging.”

McClain said the mortician told him he had to work for three days to put his grand-niece’s face back together.

“Most people couldn’t tell, when he was done, but the family could tell,” he said.

One of the accused killers, 17-year-old Alexander Alfaro, is scheduled to appear in court today in Virginia, where he is expected to waive extradition to New Jersey.

Five other suspects - 28-year-old Jose Carranza, an illegal immigrant from Peru; Rodolfo Godinez, 24, Alfaro’s half-brother; Melvin Jovel, 18, of Elizabeth, N.J.; and two unnamed 15-year-old boys - are in custody.

Yesterday, authorities would neither confirm nor deny the radio report that Alfaro and his cohorts allegedly tried to sexually assault Hightower and Natasha Aeriel, 19, who survived the attack.

austin.fenner@nypost.com

]]> By: anonymous http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/23/sign-the-petition/#comment-21617 anonymous Fri, 24 Aug 2007 14:03:20 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/23/sign-the-petition/#comment-21617 Most of the owners of businesses in PWC would be in jail if the enforced the law. Most of the owners of businesses in PWC would be in jail if the enforced the law.

]]> By: Advocator http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/23/sign-the-petition/#comment-21615 Advocator Fri, 24 Aug 2007 13:26:52 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/23/sign-the-petition/#comment-21615 NOVA Scout is correct in stating that unauthorized entry is illegal, but that continued presence is not. The "crime," or more correctly, the "illegality," is complete as soon as unauthorized entry is made or upon expiration of a visa. Hence the correct moniker for these people is "illegal alien" as opposed to "undocumented" or "criminal." The felonies connected with immigration law generally consist of acts that aid, assist, or abet violation of immigration law. For example, renting to or otherwise allowing an illegal alien to use a dwelling you own is a federal felony. Knowingly hiring illegals is a federal felony. Making it easier for illegals to gain entry (smuggling them, falsification of dox, etc.) is a felony. The immigration laws were set up so that the law abiding, ordinary garden variety illegal alien could not be prosecuted and thrown in a slammer, but the people who profit from illegal immigration could be. Unfortunately, those laws have not been enforced. The reasons are many. Failure to secure the borders. Failure to properly fund INS (now ICE). Refusal by management of INS to aggresively enforce the laws because they were not being funded properly. Politization by both parties of INS and DHS senior leadership positions ("you're doing a great job, Brownie" type of attitude). Recognition by both parties that the issue was potentially explosive, and choosing avoidance rather than risking antagonism (e.g., Frank Wolf's failure to address any aspect of the problem, except for a letter to Jorge). As I've said before, the price of liberty is eternal vigilance. We were caught napping on this issue. Sign petition: http://www.petitiononline.com/VA287g/petition.html NOVA Scout is correct in stating that unauthorized entry is illegal, but that continued presence is not. The “crime,” or more correctly, the “illegality,” is complete as soon as unauthorized entry is made or upon expiration of a visa. Hence the correct moniker for these people is “illegal alien” as opposed to “undocumented” or “criminal.”

The felonies connected with immigration law generally consist of acts that aid, assist, or abet violation of immigration law. For example, renting to or otherwise allowing an illegal alien to use a dwelling you own is a federal felony. Knowingly hiring illegals is a federal felony. Making it easier for illegals to gain entry (smuggling them, falsification of dox, etc.) is a felony.

The immigration laws were set up so that the law abiding, ordinary garden variety illegal alien could not be prosecuted and thrown in a slammer, but the people who profit from illegal immigration could be. Unfortunately, those laws have not been enforced. The reasons are many. Failure to secure the borders. Failure to properly fund INS (now ICE). Refusal by management of INS to aggresively enforce the laws because they were not being funded properly. Politization by both parties of INS and DHS senior leadership positions (”you’re doing a great job, Brownie” type of attitude). Recognition by both parties that the issue was potentially explosive, and choosing avoidance rather than risking antagonism (e.g., Frank Wolf’s failure to address any aspect of the problem, except for a letter to Jorge).

As I’ve said before, the price of liberty is eternal vigilance. We were caught napping on this issue.

Sign petition: http://www.petitiononline.com/VA287g/petition.html

]]> By: The Patriot http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/23/sign-the-petition/#comment-21610 The Patriot Fri, 24 Aug 2007 12:42:06 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/23/sign-the-petition/#comment-21610 http://www.numbersusa.com/interests/attrition.html Great article on Attrition through enforcement! This is why we need the Governor to get onboard! http://www.numbersusa.com/interests/attrition.html
Great article on Attrition through enforcement! This is why we need the Governor to get onboard!

]]> By: The Patriot http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/23/sign-the-petition/#comment-21609 The Patriot Fri, 24 Aug 2007 12:24:17 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/23/sign-the-petition/#comment-21609 http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57296 Mexican Trucks Ready to Roll Sept 1st! http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57296
Mexican Trucks Ready to Roll Sept 1st!

]]> By: Rob Smalls http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/23/sign-the-petition/#comment-21607 Rob Smalls Fri, 24 Aug 2007 12:19:32 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/23/sign-the-petition/#comment-21607 NoVA Scout - You just got done saying that "uninspected entry is 'illegal'", and then you turn around and say that " If someone is found to have entered without inspection, they can be held and deported because of the entry. Again, this is not because they are 'criminals', but because they have not complied with our entry procedures." How precisely is someone who performed, by your admission, an illegal act not a criminal? Not complying with our entry procedures makes them criminals, because that activity is illegal. Just as it is illegal to overstay a visa, which is in contravention to the issuance regulations of the visa. You strain your credibility when you put "illegal" in quotes. You break the law, that's illegal. No showy use of punctuation will change that point. NoVA Scout - You just got done saying that “uninspected entry is ‘illegal’”, and then you turn around and say that ” If someone is found to have entered without inspection, they can be held and deported because of the entry. Again, this is not because they are ‘criminals’, but because they have not complied with our entry procedures.”

How precisely is someone who performed, by your admission, an illegal act not a criminal? Not complying with our entry procedures makes them criminals, because that activity is illegal. Just as it is illegal to overstay a visa, which is in contravention to the issuance regulations of the visa.

You strain your credibility when you put “illegal” in quotes. You break the law, that’s illegal. No showy use of punctuation will change that point.

]]> By: NoVA Scout http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/23/sign-the-petition/#comment-21606 NoVA Scout Fri, 24 Aug 2007 12:05:19 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/23/sign-the-petition/#comment-21606 Some do, some don't, Patriot. And the items you mention are driven by the absence of a coherent federal policy for permitting above-board work by transient, temporary non-citizen labor. The most effective way of dealing with that is to get the feds to quickly enact workable guest worker legislation. Petitions to Governors and local officials get us precisely nowhere. Some of the folks here legally commit crimes, some don't. There are tried and true ways of dealing with that sort of thing. Some do, some don’t, Patriot. And the items you mention are driven by the absence of a coherent federal policy for permitting above-board work by transient, temporary non-citizen labor. The most effective way of dealing with that is to get the feds to quickly enact workable guest worker legislation. Petitions to Governors and local officials get us precisely nowhere.

Some of the folks here legally commit crimes, some don’t. There are tried and true ways of dealing with that sort of thing.

]]> By: The Patriot http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/23/sign-the-petition/#comment-21605 The Patriot Fri, 24 Aug 2007 11:35:53 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/23/sign-the-petition/#comment-21605 But everyone is missing the point. They do commit further crimes once here: document forgery, identity theft, working without a green card, stealing benefits that are for legal citizens, etc. Additionally, those that harbor them are committing a crime by aiding and abetting. But everyone is missing the point. They do commit further crimes once here: document forgery, identity theft, working without a green card, stealing benefits that are for legal citizens, etc. Additionally, those that harbor them are committing a crime by aiding and abetting.

]]> By: NoVA Scout http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/23/sign-the-petition/#comment-21603 NoVA Scout Fri, 24 Aug 2007 11:09:56 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/23/sign-the-petition/#comment-21603 freedom and Dan: I'm not familiar with the Kansas case, but from your description, it sounds correct. Uninspected entry is "illegal", in that it violates US customs and immigration law (it is not a felony and not a "crime", the latter word being somewhat amorphous and not a term of art), but my understanding is that presence after uninspected entry is not a separate offense. If someone is found to have entered without inspection, they can be held and deported because of the entry. Again, this is not because they are "criminals," but because they have not complied with our entry procedures. The same is true for those who overstay visas or who are otherwise out of status, even if their entry was legal. This is one of several reasons that some of us take issue with the sweeping generalization that all out of status or illegal entrants are "criminals" by virtue of having entered without inspection. When the issue is argued that way, it distracts and detracts from our being able to address what are indeed real issues associated with illegal immigration - economic issues (positive and negative), impacts on schools and infrastructure, lagging economies in Mexico and Central America, and the presence of an unregistered, underground population and economy in an otherwise highly regulated (and taxed) above-ground economy. It is concededly a lot more exciting to inveigh against a large imagined "criminal" population, but there's no evidence that this group is any more "criminal" than the rest of us. There's some evidence that they are less so. The only way we can change these immigrants into "criminals" as a class is by arguing that the uninspected entry makes them "criminals." But if we get stuck on that largely imaginary issue, we miss the chance to deal intelligently with the important concerns that really do attend a federal policy that badly needs an overhaul. freedom and Dan: I’m not familiar with the Kansas case, but from your description, it sounds correct. Uninspected entry is “illegal”, in that it violates US customs and immigration law (it is not a felony and not a “crime”, the latter word being somewhat amorphous and not a term of art), but my understanding is that presence after uninspected entry is not a separate offense. If someone is found to have entered without inspection, they can be held and deported because of the entry. Again, this is not because they are “criminals,” but because they have not complied with our entry procedures. The same is true for those who overstay visas or who are otherwise out of status, even if their entry was legal. This is one of several reasons that some of us take issue with the sweeping generalization that all out of status or illegal entrants are “criminals” by virtue of having entered without inspection. When the issue is argued that way, it distracts and detracts from our being able to address what are indeed real issues associated with illegal immigration - economic issues (positive and negative), impacts on schools and infrastructure, lagging economies in Mexico and Central America, and the presence of an unregistered, underground population and economy in an otherwise highly regulated (and taxed) above-ground economy. It is concededly a lot more exciting to inveigh against a large imagined “criminal” population, but there’s no evidence that this group is any more “criminal” than the rest of us. There’s some evidence that they are less so. The only way we can change these immigrants into “criminals” as a class is by arguing that the uninspected entry makes them “criminals.” But if we get stuck on that largely imaginary issue, we miss the chance to deal intelligently with the important concerns that really do attend a federal policy that badly needs an overhaul.

]]> By: Scott http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/23/sign-the-petition/#comment-21598 Scott Fri, 24 Aug 2007 07:00:47 +0000 http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/08/23/sign-the-petition/#comment-21598 I signed it earlier tonight. I signed it earlier tonight.

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