BRUU To Host Mexicanos Sin Fronteras
By Greg L | 25 August 2007 | 13th HOD District, Jeanette Rishell | 28 Comments
Mexicanos Sin Fronteras, the local arm of the Zapatista Army of National Liberation which is heading up efforts to boycott businesses in Prince William County and conduct protests, is now announcing that they will hold a “support and solidarity organizing meeting” at the Bull Run Universalist Unitarian Church in Manassas on August 9th at 7PM. Now how does a an organization (I am reluctant to call them a Church) that enjoys charitable tax-exempt status under the IRS Code manage to donate their facilities to a these folks, and not have their 501(c)(3) status revoked?
Of note, there are two candidates for office who go to BRUU for their weekly dose of secular progressivism, Bruce Roemmelt and Jeanette Rishell. Jeanette Rishell has actually raised funds for Mexicanos Sin Fronteras at BRUU in a “split-the-plate” fundraiser which garnered several hundred dollars in cash donations to these same people who will be urging a boycott of Prince William County businesses and organizing a protest of several thousand illegal aliens. She also has been a key figure in the past of supporting the political agenda of Mexicanos Sin Fronteras, although if you speak to her now about this topic, she won’t tell you about her past activism in support of the illegal alien lobby. No, now she’s the person who is against illegal immigration. Right.
So how long is it going to take for Rishell and Roemmelt to finally come clean and declare that they oppose the resolution in Prince William County, now that the religious association they belong to has strongly come out in support of the political agenda of the illegal alien community? Or are they going to condemn this misuse of BRUU’s facilities and urge them to not allow Mexicanos Sin Fronteras to spout their Marxist dogma in their “church”?
Try to resist the urge of holding your breath until they do. It’s not safe.
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Perhaps Mexicanos Sin Fronteras has paid to use the facilities? Churches accept payment for the use of their facilities all the time.
PL- Father Bob (I think that’s his name) of BRUU is going to speak at the next Human Rights Commission Sub-committee meeting. I’m positive it won’t be to praise the resolution.
[Ed note: Fr. Bob Menard is with St. Francis Of Assisi Catholic Church in Triangle, and is the head of Unity In The Community.]
It will be interesting to see what he does say.
Do you mean SEPTEMBER 9th ?????
Isn’t this the week we SHOP? Great timing, with all the Labor Day sales that are starting early!
In the interest of fairness - ha ha ha ha ha — will you ask Bob Marshall about whether he is in accord with his Church on immigration issues.
The Church is not unified on this issue. Actually the Vatican warned its priests decades ago against the liberation theology (because of its Marxist underpinnings) that is behind the current pro-illegal effort. Many priests, however, ignored/disobeyed those directives and have spread the errors. The situation is complicated, but here is a recent USA Today article - http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2007-03-14-sobrino_N.htm
Did you see the AP article yesterday about PWC and Loudon? HSM continues to have impact! http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070825/ap_on_re_us/illegal_immigrants_services
The latinos are continuously mislead by their “supporters”. They came here believing they would get amnesty; now they are told the resolution is about immigrants.
Greg,
How about a post in the next day or two with details on the illegal alien protest, so that we know what to do to counteract it. It would be good to publish exact dates and details, and even store lists that they are boycotting so that we can be sure to shop there.
I understand the Human Rights C. meets once a month on Thurs. But they also have ben having meetins every Wed. to hear from the Spanish, illegals and those they tell about the meeting. They are held at th McCoart Bldg.
Trying to find out if the Staff knows about this and if they pay money to meet and also is food being served. Need to check that Budget of the Human Rights.???It may be out of hand for us Tax Payers.
Legal 2, you are using the usual standards of this site to confound two issues, compehensive immigration reform, which the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops strongly supported, and liberation theology, which is a distinct issue. I happen to know Father Bob, and he is not a dangerous radical acting in error. But, if he is, he’s in good compnay, including the Bishop Laverde — unless he too has become a dangerous radical.
Fed up 2- The PWC HR sub-committee meets every Wednesday at 7:30. The locations change, they are not all at the McCoart building.
The food issue was brought up at the last meeting and Carlos Lambiosa buys the food himself for the members of the sub-committee.
anon - I put this comment on an earlier post- Hopefully Greg will do an actual post on the boycott, so everyone is sure to see it.
When you shop in Prince William County next week please make a point to tell the management that you are SUPPORTING their businesses because mexicanos sin fronteras and the woodbridge worker committee are boycotting them. Here is a list of the businesses that they are boycotting. You’ll get a kick out of one of them. Bet it won’t be hard for you all to figure out which one I’m talking about.
This is from a mexicanos sin fronteras flyer. DO NOT SPEND MONEY IN PRINCE WILLIAM COUNTY- Do not by gas, clothes, food, school supplies, electronic, etc. DO NOT BUY at Potomac Mills, Manassas Mall, Wal-Mart, Giant, 7-11, Safeway, Food Lion Dollar stores, McDonalds, Taco Bell, pizzerias, restaurants, movies, etc. Be prepared by shopping in Fairfax, Arlington, Stafford, Alexandria and D.C.
I guess they are boycotting Manassas and Manassas Park also, since they are not included in “where” to shop. Boycott begins August 27 and ends September 3rd.
If people suspect that a non-profit[churches] are using their monies to aid and abet the illegals, They can call the IRS hot line and have these organizations looked into, The more people that notify the IRS may spark their interest. The Churches see $$$$ signs.
A, bishop loverde and the usccb are not as respected as orthodox nor doctrinally sound, for a lot of reasons, as one might expect. This probably isn’t the forum for such discussion, though.
What can I say, Legal 2, you are right that this is not the right place for this discussion. As for the notion that Bishop Loverde and the USCCB are not doctrinally sound, that notion only makes sense if you are an Opus Dei type. But, it is BVBL that brought religion into this. He wants two Unitarian candidates, who have public positoins on immigration, to explain their views on immigration in light of their BRUU membership, but not ask Bob Marshall to do the same thing. Of course, fairness, consistency, and accuracy are not virtues this site even pretends to. As for BVBL’s attack against BRUU not even being a Church, the cruelty and mean spiritedness of that speaks for itself, but is just another example of BVBL’s unending need to spew hatred and division.
Unitarian churches are often hotbeds of political leftism. It is their right to do so as far as I can tell. I think the WaPo had an article recently about a UU church in Fairfax that had an “antiwar” meeting at which Tom Davis agreed to appear before a hostile crowd. I start to wonder what the Unitarian founders of the early 19th century would think of today’s “progressives.”
A, As far as I know, Bob Marshall upholds the law. That is what we are talking about, not social engineering. What part of illegal don’t you understand?
PS, I know Fr. Bob, too, and only a dangerous radical acting in error would think he’s harmless. ’nuff said.
Legal2 you are back with your “traditional catholic” approach. You’ve served your obligation by going this morning and now you are free to be the person you are. You are not worthy to comment. This is dangerous territory you are moving into.
anon,
I think we need to comment about legal2. You see he/she brought up this topic we should assume that legal2 has some expertise about it. I doubt it but I woiuld love to test his knowledge of the Liberation Theology and the dangers that it brings to the people.
I have seen practiced: the priest will recommend to get medicine instead of waiting to die to get your treasure in heaven, they will recommend to get educated on family planning (not abortion), they will tell you about your rights as a human being, etc….
There have been some extremists who have used violence to solve the problems but I can count those with my fingers.
Should we go backj to mass in latin to get real with the world?
Any church has the responsibility of addressing the needs of human beings as as a whole, not just the spiritual part.
It is interestin g that we use the argument of separation of church and state or the one of non-for profit institutions supporting illegal alien groups by providing space.
How about schools renting space for churches?
Many things happen in this country but we tend to focus on the peripheral elements of the illegal immigration issue.
I don’t know what we are surprised by the fact that religious groups are supporting illegal aliens. They would be preaching the wrong thing. Isn’t the message of christianilty to forgive sin?
Liberation Theology can be grossly mis-used and has in the past and I may be incorrect but think it had some roots with the Inquisition. Hopefully, no one thinks that was a good idea.
Religious groups are doing exactly what they are supposed to do. This is part of the check and balance that exists. I would be disappointed if they did not. However, religions do not ignore justice. I believe that Fr. Bob Menard and his group would tell you that they are not opposed to stemming illegal immigraton nor are they opposed to deportation. They are simply not going to ingore those that are here and people who are in need. That is their job and their role. This makes them evil in the minds of some.
Several on this website seem to believe that anyone who does not agree with the radical right and can’t appreciate that these people see this as a lifes mission assume everyone is either a bleeding heart liberal who supports Mexicans Without Borders or must be, even worse, a Democrat.
Hatred has never sustained a movement. Germany 1934-1945.
As I have said before, I am wholly for a 700 mile fence, no anchor baby chit and no free education. I am not for name calling and hatred. I am for people doing their jobs and doing them well. The feds should do their part, locals theirs and priests and ministers theirs. And yes, I am for being nice. No it’s not a commandment, but it might come under Love thy Neighbor. And I can see where the maintream population does not have to love thy illegal neighbor, but don’t go after the peaceful religious who love everyone.
Take it up with Bush.
First anon, LT has nothing to do with the inquisition. It is the result of a couple of priest in Brazil and Colombia thinking about empowering human beings.
You said something about the fence: How do you think we will solve the problem of 40% of illegal aliens entering here legally?
Also, Do you think that the suprem court should rejject the right of granting citizenship to kids who were born here.
When you say anchor baby “chit” you are referring to american citizens. Since when you get marked when your parents commit crimes?
How do anchor babies help the parents to stay here?
First they have to become 21 to be able to ask the government to bring their parents legally. If the aprents are here illegally that is out of the question: They would have to leave the country and waiut 12 years to get an application. So if an illegal alien has a baby now, easily, he/she will be in his/her sixties before they can become legal.
When you start going after religious, you cross a line. . .
“Liberation theology also emphasizes individual self-actualization as part of God’s divine purpose for humankind. In other words, we are given life so that we may pursue it to its full potential. Therefore, obstacles or oppressions put in our path must be resisted and abolished.”
The Vatican has rejected this theory. It brings back issues from the past.
Knock off the anchor babies being legal citizens. That is a ruse just like marriage. I am sure there are thousands of legal citizens who would be delighted to adopt an anchor baby if the purpose was for the child to have a good life.
In re TH’s question “Isn’t the message of christianilty to forgive sin?”
No. The message of Christianity is to share the good news that all our sins have been forgiven, and the only thing needed to accept this tremendous gift is an acceptance of Jesus Christ as your savior. See John 3:16 for the basic summary.
None of us Christians have the power to forgive sin. But when we confess our sins, we can look to the Bible which tells us that when we are truly repentant, and ask for forgiveness, that Jesus Christ is our intercessor and by his sacrifice, we are forgiven. See 1 John 1:9.
Oh brother.
“PS, I know Fr. Bob, too, and only a dangerous radical acting in error would think he’s harmless.”
Sorry, after reading the comments I have to admit, I was probably speaking of a different Fr. Bob than others. However, I meant to say, using anon’s wording, “only a dangerous radical acting in error” thinking he’s harmless, doesn’t make him so.
LT has many errors that don’t always include armed revolution. Try another blog for that discussion, remembering the adage, “To those who understand, no explanation is necessary; to those who do not understand, no explanation will suffice.”
At any rate, with regards to “going after religious” crossing a line, my boundary is what (s)he does in public, is up for public scrutiny (as in this case). And perhaps you would agree that aggressively going after priests who preyed on boys (in secret) would have prevented some of the abuses that were headlines a while back. Bishops who forgave their sins, but allowed them to stay in the population and not report them, practiced false charity, at the least. One might even consider it aiding & abetting.
Helping the poor while encouraging them to continue to break laws (or undermine the sovereignty of a nation) is false charity, too. Becoming a nation of lawlessness, from which many illegals come here to escape, is not helping anyone and is not charitable.
There are people who agree that the illegals are being exploited, but disagree on the solution. Enforcing the laws already on the books seems like a logical, good start. Revolution in a well-run (relatively speaking) country (otherwise why do so many flock here and wait years to become citizens?) does not.
I agree, anon, there are plenty of people I know who are going to Guatemala and adopting babies. If illegals just wanted a better life for their child, they would work within their country to better their conditions (with the help of churches), and/or offer the baby for adoption.
Ron, I would imagine that many 19th-century Unitarians would be comfortable with the actions of this UU church, assuming the church isn’t simply renting space. Unitarians of the 19th-century were numerous in the ranks of radical abolitionists. Part of radical abolitionism was support for the breaking of laws such as the Fugitive Slave Law of 1850, which as I am sure you know was a federal law mandating that Northerners return Southerners’ human property on pain of fine and/or imprisonment. Even moderate abolitionists actively broke federal law in the face of this act.
No, I am not comparing the issue of slavery to the issue of illegal aliens, only noting that the 19th-century Unitarian church was famous for its liberals and radicals in the cause of abolition, even when it meant breaking federal law.
Anon’s remark on Inquisition origins for liberation theology was… Words fail me.
yeah the BRUU has gay pride service’s soooooo i dont think you could call it a church