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Blogger Happy Hour Report
By Greg L | 2 September 2007 | Blogs, Prince William County | 185 Comments
The blogger happy hour in Manassas, in support of our local business community during this failed boycott was a big success, drawing local elected officials, candidates, and citizens from Prince William County, Fairfax County, Manassas City, Manassas Park and even Rappahannock County. Senator Ken Cuccinelli, Delegate Tim Hugo, and candidate Bob Fitzsimmonds were able to make it, although with the holiday weekend a number of other elected officials who wanted to be there just couldn’t. It was a really nice gesture to see elected officials from Fairfax come out and demonstrate that they support our local businesses.
One pretty funny part of the evening was that we had to explain to the staff and management at Logan’s that they were being subjected to a boycott. They had no idea until we told them, and the place was very busy this evening. They told me that their business hasn’t noticed any change since this boycott was announced, and were busy than ever. Music to my ears…
My thanks to Ben Tribbet for joining with me in making this happen, and all those who attended. It was a fun evening, and a rare opportunity to do some good while just having a good time. We may just decide to do this again sometime, even if irresponsible radicals aren’t motivating us to do so.
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hmmm, wonder if that’s why this happened.
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Culpeper and Warrenton better start taking action! I saw probably around 30 day laborers yesterday off of 29 just before entering old town Culpeper.
The Patriot
You are right about Culpeper and Warrenton. It doesn’t surprise in the least! Culpeper and Warrenton still have a chance to take action before the “Illegal Invasion” escalates to the level it has around here.
Channel 4, is going to do a story about the rally today in PWC.
Greg, are there any people that can start up a group in Culpeper and Warrenton? The day laborers I saw is how it all starts in a community and then escalates into a major problem over time. They need to take action before it gets out of hand.
I am making it a point to roam around different adjacent towns to identify pockets of activity. I will call my actions “The Patriot Patrol”.
The Patriot
“The Patriot Patrol”- I love it!! Will you please update us on your findings. This is a great idea. I’m always watching closely when going to different towns, and I see the same problems we have around here. However, they can’t sit by and do nothing.
I was in Moorefield, WV about a month ago and they too are starting to the same as we do. They do have a few chicken plants there. I believe this is the attraction to this very small town. All jurisdications, need to action SOONER than later.
“The Patriot Patrol”!!! A patrol of one! Pretty hefty ego there. My gosh! Roaming around different towns to identify pockets of activity? To whom will you report your findings? The police or ???
You must have very little else going on in your life. I pitty you.
As for Culpeper - George Taplin went there several months ago to try to establish a Minutemen outfit but didn’t seem to have much luck.
I was there with my family last night, was looking for everyone but I suppose the bar was were everyone was at. spent about 60.00 on food, was pretty good and the people there were very nice. I normally frequent the original steakhouse theater in Lakeridge. It’s awesome if not a bit expensive (but worth it)
as a side note, when the resolution passed I saw some HSM members in the steakhouse theater shortly after eating. That’s what got me interested in who/what they were.
Josh
Lovisa
When you say “a patrol of one” you are sadly mistaken! I’ll let you know right here and now, he is NOT alone on this one! I’m right their with him on this just like the open storm doors. Maybe, you don’t realize the fact that there are several folks looking at these types of things, and make note of it. Diligent work like this is done by many members of HSM, and concerned citizens. This is how things are getting done around here, and for the BETTER of our entire community!! It’s called a joint effort. Change very rarely occurs due to one person’s effort/work. For an issue as profound as illegal aliens it will take the work of many. Well, that’s what’s happening around here finally. I applaud those who have gotten the ball rolling. I would also encourage others to get involved. Together, we will have huge impact, and change in our community will follow as a direct result of ALL of our efforts.
Lovisa, what have you done to improve the community???
maybe we should get all the day laborers to hang out in front of lovisa’s house? (if they are not already). Maybe she would see the light if they treated her establishment like a toilet like they do 7-11’s in the neighborhood. Maybe she would see the light if she had to pick up trash on her lawn every day left by the illegals that live next door with 5 families in their house? Maybe she would change her mind if she had to contact the police every weekend for the illegals violating the noise ordinances? You only have to open your eye’s a little bit to find many reasons…
maybe lovisa could get a little more involved in the community and do some good instead of ranting and raving? Understand that people are fed up with all the illegals in the county and are now coming out to do something about it. Either you are for or against, if you support the illegals you support lawlessness and are just as bad as the criminals they are.
We need to stop giving the illegals a free-ride in this county and in this country.
Lovisa, I am doing this out of respect for the UNITED STATES of AMERICA in order to help preserve our union. Something that you seem to lack severly and are unwilling to do by your consistent statements on this blog. Are you an anchor baby? Are you a non-assimilated legal resident? Or, worse, are you an illegal alien? As far as reporting is concerned, it takes just “one” person to report findings and I will continue to play an active role in finding pockets so that people that may not be aware of the problem do become aware of it before it gets out of control. There are many more people than you think that are interested in becoming aware of the problems that you so desire to perpetuate (due to your liberal lifestyle).
lovisa- Why do you have a problem with folks trying to do the right thing? You jumped on Maureen for telling businesses they had protesters on their property and now you jump all over Patriot.
You probably have never done on single act of community service. I bet you also think the world is out to get you. You seem to only show up on this site when you want to criticize someone for doing what they feel is right. Maybe YOU need to get a life!
Have a wonderful day!
Excuuuuuuuuse me - I only had a question, that’s all.
TO WHOM DO YOU REPORT YOUR FINDINGS?
That’s not ranting and raving, is it? I’d simply like to know what you do with your findings. Do you work with law agencies, social agencies ….. Do you suggest more public toilets be available? - I could happen, you know, that your little just-toilet trained child said: “Dad, I really, really need to go potty” when you’re out walking. Oh, well ..
OK, that’s it, because I’m going to Wolftrap to see West Side Story this afternoon. Quite appropriate after this exchange.
redawn said on 2 Sep 2007 at 11:04 am:
POWER OF ONE
This clip was posted by another viewer ( power of one) in a previous thread.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_Twc1jURn4
I had a very nice time last night at Logans. Julie Lucas was also there. Very nice lady and those of you that are in her district should vote for her as your school board member.
louvisa,
my toilet trained child knows how to hold it thank you until the proper facilities could be found.
the illegals outside the 7-11’s apparently are not potty trained, maybe you can help them? while your at it, help them learn english too or maybe point them to the border so they can go home. That would probably be a more constructive use of your time.
Lafayette,
How about you, Mr. Lafayette, and I hi-jacking that 20 foot tall tire truck on Sudley Manor Drive and take it on a field trip. We can go park it in front of all of our critics’ houses for a few hours and ask them how they feel about the illegal alien situation? We could go take a poll as we sit there.
lovisa
Regarding your question of who do you report your findings to? It’s like this, there are so many things that have to be reported. It depends on what the concern is about as to who you “report” to. I really think as long as you continue with your liberal attidude you will be called out on your comments. If you were concerned like most of us on here you would know the answer to your question. I’ve always heard there’s no such thing as a dumb question, and I’m really thinking this might not be true. Are you ready to make a change for the better? I think NOT. Have you done anything to serve and better our community? Just because we have our eyes WIDE OPEN does not mean we don’t have a life. Well, once again you are wrong.
We do have lives, jobs, and families, and we want the quality of life around here restored. It is for these very reasons that we all work so hard. You should try do some GOOD instead of you pissing and moaning. With that said, who’s REALLY needs a life Lovisa?
The preservation of our United States requires personal sacrifices. I am willing to participate in this important endeavor. I know many others who are willing to do the same. Those that are not willing should leave our great nation because they are nothing but takers that serve to ruin our great union.
Oh, my, my - I’d never do any pissing in public, neither any moaning. Pissing in public is rather difficult for women. And I do good, believe you me. But the again, why should you?
As for dumb questions - many times those are he ones that need to be asked. - Still no reply to my question TO WHOM DO YOU REPORT?
I report my findings to “appropriate” entities. Why would I reveal that you you Lovisa? You are clearly not on our side.
Lovisa, you have not answered my questions:
1. Are you an anchor baby?
2. Are you a non-assimilated legal resident?
3. Are you an illegal alien?
Thanks.
Just so you know, Lovisa, there has been more than one occasion witnessed outside my daughter’s place of employment where mothers allow their little boys to use the sidewalk to relieve themselves - training their children to pee in public in front of stores! This, in a “diverse” shopping center, where they could easily go to one of the latino restaurants there and use the bathroom.
THANK YOU to all in HSM who sacrifice so much time, effort and resources in this effort for the common good and the good of our country.
“non-assimilated legal resident?”
Will you be handing out Soylent Green so we’ll all be sure to be assimilated?
Are you a Borg?
Lovisa
I have also asked you some questions, and yet you want YOUR questions answered. I will also review my questions to you..
1) What have YOU done to serve or better our community?
2) Are you ready to make a change for the better?
3) Do you live in Fairfax County or some other “land of denial”?
I really can’t wait to see what you have to say to these questions of mine and The Patriot’s. Question 3 is a new question. Maybe, you’ll have a minute to answer these before taking off for Wolf Trap.
Attn.;Lovisa
You have to be a far right liberal and a do nothing in your community.
I have met plenty like you in the past 25 years.
All it takes is one person here and one person there to keep reporting thse oddities. It certainly has helped to get HSM going ,as it has opened the eyes of others to start doing something about the downgrading of their neighborhoods.
Reports can go to The Health Dept., Property Code Enforcement, Litter Control,Supervisors, VDOT, the legal Property owner.So there are many avenues.
But someone like you who has their head in the sand,is not even aware of what the County has to offer. It takes those who care to notify the different agencies.
You also have a crude mouth. If you want to see the actual task being done, go to the corner of Rt. 1 &Pr.Wm. Parkway,any time during the day.And watch.All the 30 or 50 that are there all day and using the side of the 7-11 building and the trees to do their stuff.
You can sit in the lot across the street and see it all.
One does have to open their eyes in order to see.
Assimilation into the common American melting pot culture is a MUST for unity to be maintained. It does not mean that one has to give up their heritage. We are all from different places and cultures which can be shared. However, America has a common culture and language (English) that bonds us together. If people decide not to assimilate….balkanization occurs and unity breaks down. This is something that the liberals just cannot understand for some reason. Maybe liberals do not learn logical thinking in their courses in college that preach multiculturalism?
Melting pot = Integration
Multiculturalism = Separation
Dolph
We hijack the truck and we park in front of Nancy Lyall’s house. Wow, PWCPS must’ve been paying her a nice chuck of change to afford that house alone. Well, I’d be willing to bet she’s sharing her house with illegal aliens. If went down there to the “other end” we’d probably have yet another address to add to the “open storm door” list.
All -
Several great editorials in the MJM this morning. One written by Bob Duecaster! Nice job authors!
I’m wondering if Lovisa pays taxes. She may be one of these who take more than they give. Lovisa: Do you pay taxes?
Patriot: Keep up the good work. Much easier to nip the problem in the bud BEFORE the community is trashed and made to look like the third world slum the illegal aliens came from.
Lafayette,
We should hi-jack the 20 foot tire truck, which does need a name, by the way, and see if it gets us to the march.
hmmmm….I think I might just have to go pay my water bill today….along with the canon.
Chris Plante, wmal radio, now discussing 100 Mexican trucking companies now allowed to move throughout the US at will per Jorge Bush (they were only allowed 25 miles into the country previously).
monticup-
I applaud everyone that is taking a pro-active approach to restore their neighborhoods and their communities. It is unfortunate that most people will not get involved until the problems directly affect them in some way. Culpeper is starting to see the affects of illegal aliens in their community and are starting to do something about it. Other communities have smaller problems because the influx isn’t as bad, so they haven’t jumped on the bandwagon yet. Until it gets to an intolerable point I don’t expect that we will see much happening.
All, keep up the good work you are doing.
Patriot
Thanks for all your efforts. They are much appreciated.
Patriot, I would like to know why you think it is necessary or effective to ask Lovisa the following questions:
# The Patriot said on 2 Sep 2007 at 12:24 pm:
Lovisa, you have not answered my questions:
1. Are you an anchor baby?
2. Are you a non-assimilated legal resident?
3. Are you an illegal alien?
Thanks.
when you have no reason to believe any of them are true. It is a ridiculous form of attack although your expansion of the usual question “are you an illegal alien?” to include the other two queries speaks volumes. First, an “anchor baby” as you so crudely put it is an American citizen whether you like it or not and is therefore legal. You may wish to change the birthright law, but that is how it stands. I believe Lovisa said in a post once that she is 79, so she predates the phenomenon and the term. A legal resident is also obviously legal, and supposedly you all don’t object to legal immigrants, in fact you supposedly welcome them. At least that is what I keep reading. But now you reveal that there is some sort of Patriot-certified level of assimilation and, improbably, you believe without any evidence whatsoever that Lovisa may not fulfill it. The illegal alien question is equally preposterous given information contained in Lovisa’s many posts here.
So I am asking you. Exactly why did you pose such questions repeatedly? It cannot be because you believe any of them to be answerable in the affirmative. It is just the most childish of attacks, as is the “why don’t you go live in Mexico” comment I read frequently on BVBL. You may wish to not to tell Lovisa to whom you report, you may wish to attack her politics, but please, enough with these questions that have no purpose other than to childishly insult.
Leila, I asked the questions because I do believe one of the options is true. I also believe that the questions may hold true for you too! Care to answer them?
The questions are legitimate questions.
Age has nothing to do with anything! A person could live their entire life here and not attempt to assimilate into the American melting pot.
Leila, Lovisa, could I become a member of National Council of La Raza (if I am not Latino/hispanic)? If not, why?
Leila/Lovisa (interchangable): The question, “to whom will you report?” is idiotic. What are you, a petty bureaucrat who manages to miss the big picture?
It is important to know to which country one owes his allegiance. If it is Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, etc.; you might want to return there. If you love the USA, speak English and behave like an American (regardless of your ethnicity) then you are welcome here and we embrace you. Get it?
Patriot: You would not be happy in La Raza. It is a commie group.
Monticup just summed up “the American Melting Pot” with a real world example!
Maybe some use the great outdoors as they are afraid of Senator’s in men’s room.
Monticup, I would like to know Leila’s and Lovisa’s answers to the question.
Before you present your answers Leila and Lovisa…please just answer the question with one sentence. I do not need a lengthy explanation…it is a really simple question.
Patriot, exactly why do you believe the questions may be true for me as well? They are not legitimate questions unless you have some reason to believe them. Which option do you believe to be true for Lovisa? And what possible evidence do you have for it? If it is the bizarre not-enough-assimilated for you question, exactly how does that manifest itself. Apparently you believe that a person who writes English as well as you do, is fully involved in the civic life of her community, but disagrees with you politically is not assimilated.
Or is it one of the other two statuses you truly suspect for her. You appear not to be telling the truth, just unable to concede you have no evidence.
As for me, I already answered them when I first started writing comments on this blog. I guess you have no memory, which must be a problem in terms of your activities on the (ahem) Patriot Patrols. I do not fit any of your categories of course and you have no reason to think I do since I have already talked about my roots. So I am intrigued. Since you write, with an exclamation point no less, that:
“I also believe that the questions may hold true for you too!”
Please share some of your reasoning since I cannot imagine what it could be.
Here is my question again:
Leila, Lovisa, could I become a member of National Council of La Raza (if I am not Latino/hispanic)? If not, why?
Patriot too late I’m afraid. Please do answer my question as well.
Leila, any supporter of the illegal alien movement and multiculturalism would be contrary to the American melting pot concept. It is a really simple concept. Based on your position on these matters I have come to my conclusions as stated. Are you afraid to answer my questions? Will they reveal the truth? I think so.
Now please answer my NCLR question.
Monticup, I never asked Patriot to whom he reports. That was Lovisa’s question. I think it is amusing you think she and I are interchangeable, since we aren’t of the same generation, location, or writing style.
Patriot, I have no connection with the NCLR. Apparently you have difficulty typing in the words in Google and finding out for yourself whether you can join that group. I just did that to get their URL and I do not see anything on their application for membership that excludes in terms of ethnicity, if that is what you were implying. I am not sure what other grounds you think they might exclude you. Although I would presume you would exclude yourself based on their mission.
Anyway, go to: http://www.nclr.org/section/supportus/join/
and follow the link at the bottom if you care to pay and join.
Leila and Lovisa both speak a bit like Nancy Lyall…wonder if they are the same?
Leila, I never stated that you had connections with NCLR. I asked you if you thought that I could join. Thank you for your answer. What should I do if they don’t let me join?
I think Nancy lurks around on this blog.
Patriot, I already answered your question. I assumed by Legal Resident you meant legal immigrant. I didn’t realize you meant that a Midwestern native-born American citizen, born to native-born American citizen parents, could qualify in your mind as “unassimilated,” but I guess it does. What you are basically saying is that anyone who does not follow your views on illegal aliens is unassimilated, no matter how far their roots in this country go back.
To think that way about people who politically disagree with you is actually un-American. But I am sure you don’t grasp that.
Leila, no actually…it is un-American to not assimilate into the American melting pot (which is the definition of what being an American is). Melting pot means unity. Multiculturalism means separation based on ethnic/cultural lines that destroys unity (which is un-American).
Leila/Lovisa: You may not be the same age and location but you are BOTH victims of groupthink. You both spout the old, tired rhetoric of lefties. You might as well be the same person.
Patriot, the form is automatic on the NCLR site. I assume if you fill out all the questions with accurate information and pay them with a credit card, they will let you join. Exactly where on the automatic form do you find something that you would be answering to make them not let you join?
Josh, I don’t speak remotely like Nancy Lyall, at least as I heard her on the debate. I am also not 79 and living in Herndon as Lovisa is. I guess you haven’t read me before, but among those deemed commie pinko illegal sympathizers on this blog, I am the one in the People’s Republic of Arlington and thus quite far from the hotbed of action in M, MP, and PWC as Nancy Lyall is. Your comment does reveal you are not exactly observant or maybe you have taken the same anti-memory pills Patriot has.
Leila, one more thing, you don’t have to be a foreigner to be un-American. Supporters of multiculturalism actually are helping to destroy the unity of this nation that depends on that unity for survival.
Leila: That was a non-answer. Who said anything about Midwestern? Another lefty tactic–confuse the issue.
Patriot, so when you said unassimilated legal resident, you meant to include native-born American citizens of native-born American citizen residents, right? You meant to include people who speak English as their native language, have lived here all or most of their lives, and participate fully in American society. The only people apparently who are assimilated enough for the founder and sole member of the famed Patiot Patrol! are people who think exactly like yourself. How enlightened.
Monticup, exactly what did I not answer? I mentioned Midwestern only because I had mentioned being a Midwesterner in posts where I had already indicated where I was born and grew up. What have I not answered?
Actually, people that support the American melting pot concept are true Americans. Why? Because it preserves our unity as a nation. Anyone that does things or supports ideas that will serve to destroy that unity should be called out.
http://tammyswofford.blogspot.com/2005/11/deconstruction-of-america.html
This is a great article on how multiculturalism degrades unity.
Patriot, can you explain your term “true Americans.” Is that a legal status? For those who you and you alone determine are not “true Americans,” do you think they should have their legal citizenship revoked? What do you mean by being called out? What should happen to them?
I don’t recall saying anywhere that I didn’t believe in the melting pot. I’m a product of the melting pot since I am the granddaughter of immigrants from different countries. But in any case, the melting always happens after a generation or two regardless. The Ellis Island generation of immigrants and those before them suffered the same accusations about not assimilating fast enough. In fact it was worse because it was more often accompanied by violence and they had fewer protections.
Are you saying that you object to immigrants and their descendants speaking any language other than English, cooking any food other than American food (whatever that is), or celebrating any cultural traditions other than American ones? I believe you have said elsewhere that you don’t object. So exactly what is your definition of assimilation? If people do all of the above but also speak English and participate in American society and civic culture, have have they violated your definition of American?
Patriot,
I remember when the original pizza was going to destroy America. THe “true americans” objected that the italians wehre not puting any meat to their pizza or pasta. A terrible incident that almost destroy civilization as we knew it.
The only true americans Leila are those that patriot considers americans. The rest of us are liberal, apologist, zapatistas, Tancredo haters, etc……
Being a “True American” is being loyal ONLY to America and ONLY to the American Flag. It means assimilating into the American melting pot (common culture that brings unity among all people of all ethnic backgrounds/cultures) and speaking English (which is the bond). It does not mean that one has to rid themselves of their cultural heritage and language. However, allegiance must be only to America and the unity of America. If anyone does anything or supports any ideas (such as multiculturalism…which actually puts forth an individual’s identity ahead of the national identity and promotes divisions and balkanization) they should be called out on it.
Patriot,
You always bring that idea that multiculturalism is destroying America. It has never happened. immigrants have always assimilated. What your ignorance doesn’t allow you to see is that it takes years to happen.
TH are you not a liberal?
So Patriot, the people celebrating Hanukkha or Kwanza are not true americans according to your test, right?
Patriot, you neglected to mention where on the NCLR application there is a place where you would be filling out something in some way that would have their automatic form disqualify you, presuming you gave accurate information and paid them with an accurate credit card number.
Do you suppose now that you have seen the automatic online form for joining the NCLR that you might stop asking people whether or not you could become a member of La Raza since you obviously know you can. At least that way we might remove one of your rote questions.
In your world Patriot, we shouldn’t ce;ebrate Saint Patrick day? or Columbus day? You don’t want to see those gren flags? or the Italian flags?
“immigrants have always assimilated”
TH…that is quite funny. Is that why everything is now in Spanish? I guess you don’t get out much so that you can use your eyes and ears?
Patriot are you not a right extremist supporting Tancredo? I don;’t have to use names to prove my point. You attack me right away with the liberal name. It is the same thing that people do when they call you racist.
In you manassas-limited-version of the world that all you see. If you travel you will see Chinese, Greek and Polish.
I would love to see more of that, I was in New York a week ago and I didn’t feel the threat of the chinese around me.
TH…flags for a celebration are different because it is a temporary event (a holiday). The people marching in the streets with the Mexican flags was a different story. In fact, during those protests those people actually stomped on the American Flag with their feet. What do you say about that?
Patriot,
Why don’t you answer Leila now about becoming a member of NCLR without being Hispanis? You have always used that argument.
I had a pleasant moment at Mass this morning. one of the Prayers of the Faithful was for “activists for justice”, and I realized that it described me and my family and all the members of Help Save Manassas! Really made my day!
TH…I asked you if you were a liberal? That is funny….a lot of people that are liberals are more than happy to say that they are.
Patriot, everything is in Spanish? Prove it. In this area, I see some things in Spanish or other languages, some more things bilingual, and the vast majority of written text in English only. Exactly what “everything” are you referring to? Are you saying that nothing in the public realm, whether it is commerce, education, government, or courts, should be in a language other than English?
I was in Chicago then I didn’t see people stomping on the U.S. flag (as far as I know Mexico, Guatemal and Peu are also part of the American continent).
I thanked Leila for the information and asked what I should do if they wouldn’t allow me in.
Gee, I didn’t know being a liberal was as bad as being a racist. Thanks for that clarification, TH.
I am liberal if you seat next to me.
TH….HA HA HA HA HA HA HA. So are you a reconquista?
I support limited government, reduced taxation, pro life, etc but next to you because I don’t want to get brid of all “Mexicans” as you call them then I am a liberal. In your world if you think then you are liberal
I do in fact support Tom Tancredo. He actually sheds truth on the problems that have been created by all of the liberals.
Doi you know the meaning of the world reconquista? In the Iberoamerican world is just the way it was called the period when Spain took back territory from the Moors. To much to ask, right?
You want to say that I am Zapatisata, cousinof R. Juarex to amke you happy. If I say That i agree with your friend tancreado then I have made mine the only values that you approve for your fellow citizens.
TH…when did I say “get rid of all the Mexicans”? Are you now making things up?
Like bombing Mecca, right?
TH…I think you know what I mean by the term “reconquista” (please don’t play ignorant…classic tactic of liberals).
Patriot, and I asked exactly what is on the *automatic* online form that if filled out with accurate information including credit card number would cause you not to be allowed in. There is no area for a declaration of your opposition to La Raza. It is an automatic form for heaven’s sake. You fill it out, you pay, and you are a member.
To keep suggesting La Raza might not let you in when you see that the process is automatic appears to be deliberately obtuse.
Please don’t play the Dumb and ignorant citizen by supporting Tancredo. Typical tactic of an uneducated person
He/she doesn’t want to respond Leila because he cannot support his/her argument. You are next in line to be called liberal. In his/her world that is a bad word and he wins an argumnent every time he/she finds a person so unworthy of living in this country.
TH…great come back! All liberals say what you say! Actually, when you read where he stands on issues…he is completely logical, clear, and concise. Additionally, he upholds what being a true American is all about.
I am gone. I have to live the american dream by enjoying an afternoon by Watching Lord of the Rings. I guess that because Elvish is spoken that is a movie that you will never watch Patriot.
There is no answer to give to Leila. I have no idea what would happen if I pressed the continue button after giving all of my information and credit card. Why would I take the chance?
Tancredo is just an Anchor baby is you see it. Just second generation american.
TH, Patriot not only supports Tancredo. He says, without a shred of evidence, that Tancredo as a candidate for the Republican nomination is doing “quite well.” However the fact that he thinks the certifiable Tancredo is doing “quite well” makes me worry for the safety of others on Northern Virginia roads since Patriot appears prone to hallucinations.
Leila, he is still in the race. If he wasn’t doing quite well…he would have dropped out.
I will be checking for open screen doors in the Arlington area so make sure you close yours Leila (if it is open).
Oh dear Patriot, I’m sorry. I didn’t realize you had never filled out an online form for membership in a group or bought anything online. My apologies. I thought you knew how it worked. I guess you believe they have some built-in list with your name on it that would override the FULLY automatic procedure and flash red or something. Again, is there acid in the water at your house?
No Leila. The “continue” button means that there is probably another form page. Usually buttons say “submit” if there was nothing else to fill out.
Patriot, I see. So by your definition all the candidates on both sides still in the race are “doing quite well” since they haven’t dropped out. So that pretty much makes the phrase “doing quite well” meaningless since there is no point of comparison among the group. If anyone appears to be a non-native English speaker, it is you Patriot since you have a meaning of “doing quite well” that does not accord with any standard definition.
I am trembling, yea trembling, at the idea of your driving around Arlington looking for my open screen door. Problem is, I don’t have a screen door. Most people in fully enclosed apartment houses don’t have them. I guess I must move so as to fulfill the wishes of your addled brain.
Well Patriot, if you fear what lies behind that continue button, then I assume we will never know. But I would also note you have no evidence that they will not allow you to join if you pay them their money, so unless you are willing to make that empirical experiment, it might be best to retire that particular question from your rote selection.
TH…how do you know Tom was an anchor baby?
Leila, did I say that there was “evidence” they would not allow me in? Again, you like to “add” to the actual statements (classic liberal tactic….just like inter-changing the term “illegal” with the word “immigrant” to try and muddy the context).
Leila…what should we do with an illegal alien who has done the following (while legal citizens would be put in jail for a very long time)?
1. Entered our country illegally.
2. Stolen social security numbers.
3. Stolen personal identities.
4. Acquired benefits that are only for legal citizens.
Patriot, when you ask, what do I do if they don’t let me in, one presumes you have some sort of inkling that they might not. I apologize for using the word evidence. Since there is no indication that one must be of a specific ethnic origin to join, and by joining and paying them money you are indicating support for the organization, I am asking why you think there is a possibility they will not let you join. You must have a reason to be asking the question. What is it?
I have used the word “illegal alien” here on BVBL for some time now. I don’t have a problem with using it as a term of law as long as I can be parallel. The only word I have not used is “illegal” as a noun, as in “those illegals over there” because illegal is an adjective in proper English.
Leila, I agree, people should not use the word “illegals” as a reference to a group of one particular people as in your statement “those illegals over there” (unless one knew definitely that they were illegal). Now please answer my question above.
Patriot, I am not sure how a citizen might enter the country illegally, perhaps you can explain that, unless you mean at a non-official crossing, such as when an upstate New York farmer wanders by land into Canada and then crosses back.
I would also like to know why you think citizens would be put in jail for a very long time for acquiring benefits they are not entitled to. That hasn’t generally been the case. Citizens getting social-welfare or medical benefits they are not entitled to happen all the time, but people rarely go to jail or even get fined. They do sometimes, not always, get cut off from the benefits.
I don’t think most use of fraudulent documents is committed by illegal aliens in the United States. I do think it is wrong for illegal aliens to use actual SS numbers or other people’s identities. Some do that. Some I would imagine use entirely fake numbers that aren’t allowed in the system as numbers and they do that with the tacit acceptance of their employers, so they are not stealing an actual person’s identity. Some don’t use fake documents and work entirely in the underground cash economy. I guess it is up to law enforcement in the unlikely event they try to catch them whether to incarcerate them or deport them. It isn’t up to me. Except that won’t happen much really since the govenment doesn’t have the manpower or inclination to do more than a few flashy busts every now and again to reassure folks like you that they are on your side.
Perhaps the mismatched number tactic, if ever allowed to proceed, will cause employers to fire their illegal alien employees. That won’t put them in jail, but I am sure you will have at least a few minutes of them being unemployed until they find something new.
I think the problem needs to be addressed by comprehensive immigration reform that is fair, humane, and reflects the realities of our economy. I don’t think it is solved by a mass deportation, which in any case I doubt is a possibility. I don’t think it will be solved by a wall or fence, since again, I doubt very much that a fence across the entire southern border will ever be built and if it is, that it will ever be patrolled in a way that makes it unbreachable. That is not to mention all those who are illegal aliens who did not cross the southern border, but overstayed tourist, student, and other visas, came by ship, crossed from Canada, etc. etc.
Patriot, I just did. But your objection to the use of the word “illegals” is not mine. Mine is a matter of proper English usage, yours appears to be a matter of ascertaining their immigration status.
Leila: I call illegal aliens “illegals” from time to time. It’s a sort of shorthand. I don’t get sucked in to that politically correct way of referring to illegals as “undocumented migrants”. They are illegal so I call them illegal. Now, if they were in Mexico, I wouldn’t call them illegals, would I?
Tom Tancredo is a courageous man. I can guarantee I have more education and intelligence than TH. TH engages in typical liberal ad hominems when he is confronted with the truth.
Leila: re: English language usage. You mean all of a sudden you’re being meticulous about rules and correctness? You have a worm’s eye view of the world instead of a bird’s eye view. You use nitpicking as a way to distract from the important issues which are rule of law and US soverignty.
The reality of the community is that the squatters have overstayed their welcome. Or more precisely, they were never welcome and now we want them to return home to their families.
Monticup, what is this business about all of a sudden? I was responding directly to something Patriot said regarding people who avoid using the term illegal alien. I actually always care about language. Nothing sudden about it.
Obviously everyone is capable of making a typo or error. I try to avoid them. Unfortunately I see them constantly, yet most of the time I refrain from mentioning errors I see here and on other blogs. That’s because it is usually off topic. Also people tend to type fast, blogs are informal, and finally many people don’t actually know they are making an error and as much as I would like to, it isn’t my place to inform them. I refrain, but it doesn’t mean I don’t wince each time I see one particular famous person here who often appears to think “it’s” is the possessive form, instead of “its,” or others who like to add apostrophes to make plurals, such as the double whammy of “illegal’s,” etc. It’s worse on other sites, believe me. The commenters on WaPost, for example, are enough to make a grammarian or good speller commit seppuku. But nine times out of ten, a private wince suffices for me.
Actually it was you, Monticup (nice name btw) who were nitpicking by bringing this up, since the exchange this afternoon has not been about grammar and spelling. But you’re forgiven that nitpicking as well as the spelling error in your above post, which I am sure was entirely intended
for effect.
Tancredo was born in Denver, Colorado to Adeline Lombardi and Gerald Tancredo. Both sets of his grandparents immigrated from Italy.[2]
From Wikipedia…. appropriately sourced.
For TH: Here is a recent article on the Italian/pizza/drug connection, just for you:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070821/ap_on_re_eu/italy_the_other_mafia
“The Germans must realize that where there is pizza, there’s the mafia,” Giorgio Basile, one of the ‘ndrangheta’s rare turncoats, was quoted as saying by Italian media after he was arrested at a train station in Bavaria in 1998.
Monticup, you wrote:
……I don’t get sucked in to that politically correct way of referring to illegals as “undocumented migrants”………
Tom Tancredo is a courageous man. I can guarantee I have more education and intelligence than TH. TH engages in typical liberal ad hominems when he is confronted with the truth.”
Monticup, I haven’t been calling them undocumented migrants have I? So why is that addressed to me? Considering that most illegal aliens in this area don’t come from Mexico, I am also unsure as to why you wish them to be relocated there.
I don’t find Tom Tancredo courageous in the least, but obviously you are seeing qualities that I miss in him. I mainly see he is certifiable. But did you really mean that “I” in the phrase above about education and intelligence? How did that follow from the comment on Tancredo? Or maybe it goes with the modesty of your claiming “truth” later. Did you mean “he” instead, ie. Tancredo? I don’t agree with you about TH and I also thought that TH was female, so no possibility of confronting “him.” But perhaps I am incorrect about TH’s gender.
sorry, I meant Italian/pizza/latino/drug connection.
Leila, your long-winded response to my simple question just shows how ridiculous your liberal position is. You know darn well those illegals commit many crimes to operate here illegally. They also steal benefits using those stolen identities and forged documents. A legal citizen would be put into jail for a long time. Double standard? And yes, a legal citizen that abuses the welfare system should be cut off too!
You didn’t mention the Irish,polish connection. Also the Japanese connection. Yeah I remember that they decided to go to live in concentration camps rather than fighting in World War II.
It is like the car commerical withb the “This is or Country” commercial. Only white people have built this country, the rest are just dangerous
Fact Checker (or Patriot in disguise),
By your definition being bron here makes you a citizen if that person agrees with you.
Illegal is illegal, but not all citizens are equal for you.
TH…the only dangerous people are those that do not want to assimilate into the American melting pot so that they can carry out their “outside” objectives of destroying our nations unity. It does not matter what ethnicity one is. Anyone that supports this type of activity should be called out in the open.
I do not use any other names on this blog.
Monticup,
You are referring to ad-hominem attacks. I learned that in high school. You are sdaying that i cannot measure with you when it comes to education. Then it is Ph.D what you have. You say that I am using ad-hominem attaks but that is what you are doing. We were talking about Tancredo and you din’t say anything about how his idiotic ideas about defending this country by attcking a sacred site for muslims makes any sense. Tell me that. Whenever Tancredo talks about he uses the only card he has in his arsenal:illegal immigration. He doesn’t say anything about stoppping the worls. Economics? Not a chance. Maybe you can help those of us with less education than you. Those who cannot see the mysterious ways of Tom Tancredo
Patriot,
Mention just one instance in the history of this country in which a tradition or something brought from abroad has brought this country down?
Do you think that everything in this country is original? Western Civilization?
TH…….a person can be a “citizen” on paper but an enemy of the union (in reality) particularly if they support and carry out activities that serve to destroy our nation’s unity. A true American citizen is not an enemy of the union nor would they participate in any activities that would disrupt the unity because their allegiance is ONLY to this country.
TH…here is where Tom stands on the issues:
http://www.teamtancredo.com/tancredo_issues_index.asp
Crystal clear. When did I say something from abroad brought this country down? Again, you liberals are ridiculous! Assimilation does not mean you cannot share things from your heritage!
Patriot,
we had agreed before that people needs to assimilate to succeed in this country. My point is that It cannot be done the way you propose. It is not fast. It takes years.
Tancredo is actually is the grandkid of italian immigrants. It took 60 years or so to get where he is now.
The sad part is when you have people such as AWCheney getting offended when her/his stepson gets to compete with illegal aliens for a job. She/He though that I was saying that her grandson was stupid for working at Walmart. My point was that if illegal aliens can compete for jobs with legal aliens whose parenst have”assimilated”, it says soimething about ourselves that we don’t want to see. Assimilation with a false sense of achieving that dream is wrong. We hear politicians such as Tancredo telling us to get rid of illegal aliens and suddenly our errors will get erased.
There is nothing elitist about saying that there are some americans going the wrong way. You don’t need to be a criminal to end up fighting for a job with illegal aliens.
This morning therev was this story that 1 of 10 citizens in the district committed crimes and were felons. I think they will end up living in those neighborhoods that you defend now. Why? Because that is what you can afford when you are the bottom. It is a reality that people don’t want to see. No one is destroying a dream or that nice community. It was going that way and it started a long time ago. Should you fight to fix it? Yes! But the pathb of getting rid of illegal aliens is just a mirage. Onece they are gone reality will settle and you will have to ask yourselves why you are at the bottom of system that benfit some but do not include all the assimilated people.
Patriot,
Are those anchor babies enemies just becauise their parents are illegal aliens?
I guess from now on I am just a liberal in your mind. Next I will be a Brown Supremacist
TH…actually…once we make it impossible for illegals to operate here they will leave on their own. If they want to come back legally they can go through the proper legal channels just like everyone else that is law abiding. If they choose not to come back, our country will be just fine. As far as assimilation is concerned, you make a sweeping generalization on how long it takes. I learned a foreign language in less than a year when I started and continue to progress. It is about motivation and wanting to assimilate (not a certain period of time as you suggest). When I travelled abroad, I respected the host countries that I went to and tried to learn their language and ways of doing things so that I could fit in. This is a matter of respect. Many of the people we see today do not show this kind of behavior. They make demands even when they are illegal!
From the Tancredo website:
“The innocent unborn enjoy a God given right to life. Roe is a scar on the moral and intellectual history of the country; but, contrary to popular belief, overturning it would merely permit and not require states to prohibit abortion. To protect life, we also need to educate the public about the second victim of abortion, the mother who is subject to potential life long medical and emotional scarring.”
Anchor babies don’t need to apply! They are not even human beings for him.
TH…what does color have to do with anything?
I forgot to mention that he shows a lot of passion for unborn babies but for american citizens who are already here with us there is nothing, just a name: ancho baby.
TH…anchor babies are a loophole that illegals use to gain an undeserved advantage (at the expense of their own children).
Color is everything Patriot. That is the only way you can spot people and put them into categories. This is not illegal vs. legal because there is no way you can tell one group for another( MOnticup can I think)
TH…when the police describe potential criminals on the news, how do they do it? Are they specific?
Actually, to avoid any issues, I would be more than happy to let an officer of the law know what my legal status was if he/she were to ask. That way it would be fair for everyone. Would that be acceptable to you TH?
TH: Why are you so hell bent on allowing the illegal alien law breakers to stay here? Do you think our laws have any meaning?
And yes TH…it is about illegal versus legal. I have friends who are legal hispanics (and even a family member). So quit trying to make it a race issue.
I don’t have anything against asking for some sort of ID. We don’t have and it will cost a lot but I will go for it.
TH…I did not say ID. I said the officer could ask for legal status. Would that be acceptable?
TH, I just looked it up, because I was curious if what you said was true. And no, I am not the Patriot.
“Why are you so hell bent on allowing the illegal alien law breakers to stay here? Do you think our laws have any meaning?”
I haven’t said anything about allowing illegal aliens to stay in the country.
I was saying that there is a reality that you have to face. Get rid of all illegal aliens but all of the suden Monticup people will have more education or the will to leave the pathetic assimilated life that they are living.
Assimilation doesn’t mean antything when you are ignorant.
So Monticup, when do we battle about education? You used the ad-hominem attck on me too but you are proving your case? Name a topic an discuss it.
Good for you but bad for us. Two people wih the same ideas… TERRIBLE
HOw do you prove Patriot that you are here legally?
I am american…. That will be your answer? I can start a blog to teach people how to answer that question. As long as you have the right answer then there won’t be a problem… Oh I get it Illegal aliens use broken english.
Good that you have a hispanis person in your family. Tells us something about his/her background. Tells us something about their story. How did they assimilate? One generation? Two generations? Went to school?
Actually, I have all the legal documentation to prove who I am. I would be more than happy to produce it if necessary. My family member and friends…they speak perfect English, are well educated, love America and subscribe to the melting pot, and have great jobs. They aren’t making demands, causing trouble, wanting America to change for them, etc. They are loyal to this country and no other country.
TH…assimilation is a choice. How quickly one assimilates is a matter of motivation and desire to do so.
You are not backing up your point with what social science tell us about assimilation. Are social scientis liberal too?
TH…assimilation is a personal thing. It is a choice. How quickly one learns and embraces a new language and ways of doing things is based on desire and motivation. It is that simple. No need for “studies” or “reports”. It is common sense.
When I travel abroad I learn languages and customs very quickly because I am motivated to do so. Additionally, I have enough respect for the host countries to do so. There is NO excuse. I didn’t need to read any reports or studies to figure this out! Get real TH…you are grasping.
Patriot, you set up a standard for what you call assimilation that no first generation of immigrants has ever met. Bravo on having immigrant friends and family members who speak perfect English. Most people who have ever immigrated do not resemble that profile, their descendants do. That is precisely what is happening even with the Spanish-speaking illegal aliens you so oppose. The children they have here speak English. Their parents speak to them in Spanish and sometimes they answer in English, sometimes in Spanish. They play with each other in English. That goes for all the other groups and has always applied to every generation of immigrants. It certainly applied to the Ellis Island generation.
No doubt you would have been horrified by New York’s Lower East Side around 1906 because you would have been hard pressed to find much English talk there as well and plenty of signage and media in Yiddish and other languages.
Patriot, that’s fascinating. How many other languages do you speak? How fluently do you speak them? You learn the language of every place you go? Of course you can’t mean things like greetings, thank yous, where is the train station sort of phrases. You state that you LEARNED the languages of every place you have gone and you imply you’ve gone (and lived?) many places. I am so envious.
So what languages and where?
Not to open a can of worms, but how are native-born Americans going to prove they are citizens? I don’t carry my birth certificate on my person. Even if I did, my name on my birth certificate would not match my legal name now, considering I wasn’t born married. Having a drivers license doesn’t really prove much either. I got a ration of crap a few years ago at the Canadian border for showing my license and voter registration card as proof of citizenship.
Just curious.
Leila: The illegal aliens from Mexico and Central America do not even speak Spanish. They speak a sort of pidgin Spanish–Spanish mixed with their Indian language. They are mostly illiterate in Spanish. Soon they are going to demand services, documents, translators, etc. in their specific dialect. Then what? If this country is to be unified we must have a common language.
Dolph, the wording in the resolution is such that a police officer only asks when he has “probable cause”, which might look like someone without a drivers license, who might have fake IDs, who demonstrates that they can’t understand traffic signs, or whatever else the police department comes up with. Unless these indicators are present, police won’t be asking.
The original language said that they would ask everyone about their status, and if they said they were an illegal, then they would verify that with ICE. Even in that scenario, someone who said they were legal was good to go, although I could have imagined that if there was “probable cause” to believe they weren’t being truthful, they might go ahead and verify the information they were provided.
None of the drafts for this resolution, nor the final version, required or even authorized the police to demand positive proof of someone’s legal status. That concern isn’t based on what the resolution said, but rather on the misconceptions of some of the press, which were created as a result of the inaccurate and misleading statements about this made by the illegal alien lobby.
Greg,
Thanks for the clarification. We were discussing it last night and couldn’t come up with an answer. Now I will know what to say when I am asked.
Greg makes an important point that the resolution as passed is substantially diluted from Stirrup’s proposal and will have little or no practical effect, because it is virtually impossible to imagine legal probable cause that would support an inquiry into status. Where probable cause exists for some other violation, the resolution doesn’t have any effect on the status quo ante, because status already is determined when the Commonwealth elects to prosecute. (I’ll bet a nickel that there is absolutely no felon sitting in the state prision system whose immigration status is a mystery to the authorities). For all the press and blog furor the PW resolution has generated, it is a largely hollow, but clever, pacifier for those concerned about illegal immigration. Given how many positive comments about it appear in spaces like this, it appears to have worked famously in offering up nothing in return for giving the pols great plaudits from the drum-bangers. Just like Lincoln said: (oh, you all know what he said about fooling some of the people all of the time . . .)
Patriot’s 2030 answer proves that he’s anything but. The correct, patriotic, conservative response to a police inquiry about status not based on probable cause is to tell the officer (I recommend politely) to buzz off. Conservatives understand the constant danger of government that over-extends its powers at the expense of the liberties of individuals and will gladly take a stand against police excesses regardless of the costs. I suspect “Patriot” is, at heart, a radical liberal anti-constitutionalist. Either that or he failed high school civics.
“The sad part is when you have people such as AWCheney getting offended when her/his stepson gets to compete with illegal aliens for a job. She/He though that I was saying that her grandson was stupid for working at Walmart.”
TH, you are getting on my last nerve. If you want to keep beating this horse, you and I are going to go at it uno en uno and I guarantee you I won’t rest until one or both of us get banned from this blog! I made an off-hand comment to illustrate a point by mentioning that my eldest stepson had a job at Wal-Mart once upon a time, and you turn it into MY being a bad parent because he obviously is incapable of getting an education to do better…and it goes downhill from there. I have been civil to you on all occasions previous to this, but my patience has limits and I’m afraid that civility may suffer. Right now, I DEMAND an apology from you…or you can just bring it on, because I will!!
…and if you think that you’ve seen nitpicking from people on this blog before, you just wait until I start!
What a way to spend a beautiful September Sunday, yo’all! monticup and The Patriot are quite a pair, aren’t they? I’m certainly feeling safer now knowing that they are out roaming and checking the towns around here. - It’s been fun reading all the speculations about little ol’ me. Fed up 2 stated in one comment “I’ve known plenty like you the past 25 years”. ESP at work. - Anyway, The West Side Story at Wolftrap was superb. I highly recommend it.
NOVA, I merely stated that I would have no problem providing legal status if asked using documentation that cannot be forged. Simple. That doesn’t mean more government control. How is it any different when applying for a loan with the contracts one has to fill out? How is it any different from getting a thorough background investigation completed for a new job? It isn’t. You liberals like to make things more complicated than they really are to try and bluff your way through your arguments. If someone were to try to get benefits that are meant for legal citizens (they need to go through a verification process to ensure they are legally entitled to them…since everyone else is paying the bill on their behalf). Get a grip!
The reason I stated that we could all be subject to answer these questions is to get around your liberal “but that is profiling” argument. I guess any background check would be profiling? Why have IDs for anything? Why fill out paperwork? Why do anything that asks for verification? You liberals make absolutely zero sense!
Go ahead AWCheney.
I never said you were a bad parent. I just repeated what you said. It ius a reality that you don’t want to see. For me it is very clear. Years of assimilation don’t make a difference when the economy doesn’t support you. If that gets me banned that is fine, but it is a truth that you have to live with
Actually, Patriot, I’m politically conservative. My point was that conservatives don’t take kindly to the idea of police asking for documents without probable cause. You, on the other hand, indicated the you would “be more than happy” to comply (see your 8:30pm comment). That kind of sheep-like “happy” strikes me as a radical leftist outlook that undermines our liberties. Nothing you’ve posted looks much like conservatism to me.
Nova Scout,
For Patriot you just need to disagree with him to be labeled liberal. First he said that he was not talking about ID and then he said youo need to have documents with you.
In the world he/she lives in, his/her point of view represents the conservative perspective
OK TH, here goes…I said nothing of the sort. Right, like I’m going to say, even by implication, that I’m a bad parent. The problem, TH, is that YOU have a problem with the English language. Granted, it is a second language for you, as it is for me, but I, however, have actually mastered it. Allow me to illustrate:
“…go back inside the Wal*mart that hires you and continue to be underpaid, overworked, and then have all the people who complain so much at this website remind you to go back where you came from.”…was the quote from which I was working. The offending passage was: “Rush to judgment (how very appropriate), my eldest stepson spent some time working at Wal-Mart, where he was underpaid and overworked, most likely because there is an enormous illegal labor pool out there willing to work at slave wages as long as there are sufficient numbers of check-cashing stores around their neighborhoods so that they can continue to operate under the radar, collecting public assistance…unlike their legal resident/citizen co-workers. (As a sidebar, I should like to point out that it was not I who assumed that any of these employees are illegal.) There are many young people and retirees out there who were raised to believe in an old-fashioned work ethic, whose opportunities become very limited because of the new “slave culture” in this country that manages, however, to fare rather well financially thanks to the enablers of our “compassionate” government and society. Your comment was patently absurd in so many ways.”
YOUR reaction to this innocuous, oft repeated point that illegal aliens are being utilized as a modern “slave culture,” albeit a relatively comfortable one with their virtually tax-free status and feeding frenzy at the public welfare trough, was to castigate ME for the way I raised my stepson (who, by the way, I DID NOT raise…I raised his younger brother, which I pointed out later) as follows: We agree on a lot of things but on the issue of your stepson we have to disagree.
Just some questions. Nothing wrong with working at Walmart but why did he do to get there?
I mean you can get educated in this country if you want it. get financial aid go to a community college, etc. How come that your stepson is competing for a job with an illegal alien?
I mean he is not fighting for a job in Wall Street. I don’t want to sound arrogant but you have to see yourself and ask the real questions.
You then go on into a diatribe about slurpees and coffee, and the illegal aliens preventing my son from going to college and studying for the SATs…and YOU’RE SURPRISED THAT I GOT PISSED OFF?? I suggest, TH, that you hold on to your seat and, while you’re at it, brush up on your English grammar, spelling, and sentence construction…’cause YOU’RE in for a ride now! If you want to end this privately, and amicably, I suggest that you email Greg and have him forward it to me and I’ll respond…but I will have that apology, one way or the other. You want to do this in Spanish…I’m with that. How about German…that’s MY first language. I’ll even take a crack at Italian or French, if you prefer.
Now, I am going up into the more recent threads and respond to each and every one of your comments, regardless of to whom they are directed. The gauntlet is down. And Greg, if you have a problem with this post, you have my number…call me. I’ll be keeping it in a file to be re-posted if it gets deleted before she responds…if she has the guts. I know this is off-topic and has gotten personal, but I will not let it go until it’s resolved. The unfortunate thing about anonymous and pseudonymous posting is that they can perpetrate this manner of nonsense (which, with her continually bringing it up herself, she seems to insist upon perpetuating) and not be personally held accountable…so there’s only one place that it can be hashed out.
AWCheney - Sie sind ja ganz erregt. Calm down and go out and enjoy this beautiful day and count your blessings that you live in this country with all its freedoms. It’s a holiday, for pete’s sake!
Lovisa, ja ich aufgeregt werde, aber mit gutem Grund. Ich habe versucht, meine Meinungen mit Artigkeit zu fördern, und mit Rücksicht für die Meinungen von anderen, nur, meinen Charakter impuned durch TH. ..wen zu haben, setzen fort, weiter so zu machen. Sie erlaube eine Linie mit mir den ich nicht hat gekreuzt gekreuzt zu werden.
Sorry, my German is a little rusty. That last sentence should be “Sie hat eine Linie mit mir gekreuzt, welches ich nicht erlaube, daß gekreuzt wird.”
I came to this country when I was 2 Lovisa, and was bilingual at 3. I actually taught myself to read and write German from my fluency in the spoken language…probably badly.
AWCheney,
Es una lastima que no queramos habalr el mismo idioma y cuando lo hablamos solo queremos escucharnos a nosotros mismos. Es triste que tengamos que usar este tipo de argumento y ahora utiliozar aleman o español para mandar un mensaje que sabemos que no va a llegar a la audiencia que queremos. Tu caracter no ha sido defamado por lo que he dicho, simplemente eres ciega de no querer ver tu realidad y venir a este forum con un mensaje en aleman para impresionarnos. Noe eres la unica que habla otro idioma. No te escondas en ese ididoma para no debatir con nosotros.
AWCheney,
Go and complain with Greg. It won’t change your situation. Even if I improved my English, it won’t make your family situation any better.
I didn’t say that you were a terrible Mother/Father. I said that there is a reality behind thgis whole mess we are in that won’t bve solved just by getting rid of illegal aliens. As anm example I used your stepson situation(which I won’t reapeat to cause you more pain)
“Now, I am going up into the more recent threads and respond to each and every one of your comments, regardless of to whom they are directed.”
Go ahead and talk about my english, grammar, etc but it won’t fix the problems that the region suffers.
AWCheney,
Call greg since you have his number and ask him to block my postings. How is that going to hurt me? You are the one who feel offended. What I say hit hard because now you have someone who is part of a problem. Imagine what other people would think when you talk about their kids and called them anchor babies when in fact they are citizens of this country.
By the way if you want to criticize my English, please then don’t even try Spanish. It is funny that you said Uno en Uno when you referred toi what you will do to me. Mano a Mano will be much better ort maybe frente an frente. What you don’t realize is that if you start that back and forth with me La Piedra se topo con el Coyol (I learned that in El salvador so ask a salvadoran to translate it)
I read your post more carefully AWCheney. This is what you said:
“my eldest stepson spent some time working at Wal-Mart, where he was underpaid and overworked, most likely because there is an enormous illegal labor pool out there willing to work at slave wages as long as there are sufficient numbers of check-cashing stores around their neighborhoods so that they can continue to operate under the radar, collecting public assistance…unlike their legal resident/citizen co-workers.”
You are not only saying that your son was underpaid becaus of the pool of illegal aliens around us but yoiu are stating that at this point of his life( teeanaher I guess) your stepson has the same skills that an uneducated illegal alien has.
There is nothing wrong with working at Walmart but in the past it was good enough to get a HS diploma and get a job for the rerst of your life. Now you have to go beyond that. Why? It is the economy.
Let’s say that you get rid of all of them. The jobs won’t get any better.
So plaese respond, Do you think your stepson,or any other kid with the skills your kid has, have a future in this economy?
I don’t need to go running to Greg, TH…he is reading each and every one of these posts and probably trying to decide what to do about it. YOU have created this situation, and only you can end it, one way or the other. The point you are continually avoiding is that none of this is about me…it’s all about you, your own version of elitism, and your difficulty in comprehending nuances of the English language in context.
Would you like to know about me? Aside from the fact that I post under my own name and stand by each and every one of my commentary on the blogs, you can also look me up under my maiden name (Anke Wiechmann) in Who’s Who In American Politics (decade between 1975 or 76 and 1986), The International Who’s Who of Women (1986), International Register of Profiles (can’t remember the year…’85 or ‘86), maybe a few other piddling things that are equally irrelevant. I started raising my family late in life (age 35), and actually did a pretty good job of it. My daughter will be studying at the University of Reading and Oxford (both in England, of course) next year, my son is finishing up his technical studies to become a Certified Master Mechanic, and the oldest boy (who, as I told you several times before, I didn’t raise) is still in the military, in a manner of speaking, and hanging out with his mother (not me).
There’s a great deal more about me, but that is also irrelevant to anyone, except perhaps you because your elitism is showing. I come to the blogs to offer my opinion, trying very hard to stick to issues when I disagree with someone, rather than getting into personalities (or getting personal), and only wishing for the same in return (of course, when it’s not returned, that’s a different issue). I’m actually VERY angry that I am made to feel compelled to justify myself to someone such as yourself. I have only EVER used personal information as anecdotal (from experience) for purposes of illustrating a point…if anyone wants to know about me, my name is right there and there are plenty of people who know it, and know about me.
So TH, learn to read, to comprehend, and to respect others on this forum…or go somewhere else. Until you attacked me personally, I had valued your opinion. Unfortunately, that value has diminished immeasurably, but at least you are showing your true nature now.
Si el mensaje no se oye mientras que se significa, después quizás requiere la clarificación, no el insulto y la presunción. Estoy absolutamente enterado de mi realidad, y sospecho que soy precio más enterado que eres, en todas las cosas. Con respecto al discusión… eres el quién eligió los términos, no I.
Good for you Anke! You have done a lot with your life. It is great that although I don’t understand the nuances of English I can use my “adopted” language to be unsderstood.
I don’t need to hear your history or name Anke. You introduced yourself and you don’t even know who I am. At the time you were nice and you didn’t seem to have a problem with my English skills. I guess that when you cannot see a person, then you assume a lot of things.
This is the last message that I will address to you to discuss this issue. I will continue contributing to this post and feel free to attack me.
Please don’t try Spanish, it is worse than my broken English (terrible sintaxis and grammar. It is not Spanish but Spanglish. Good try though).
You wanted it, you got it. I never claimed to be a language expert…just that I’d be willing to go for it if you preferred. I trust the meaning came through, however.
It’s rather perplexing that you say that you don’t “need” to hear my history, since your twisted version of it (which came right out of the blue, btw) is the only issue you have addressed to me since August 27. I’m only setting the record straight…but apparently truth flies very low on your radar. Insofar as me being nice to you before, I try to be nice to everybody…unless they give me reason not to be.
“It is funny that you said Uno en Uno when you referred toi what you will do to me. Mano a Mano will be much better ort maybe frente an frente.”
By the way, I used “Uno en Uno” (one on one) because “Mano a Mano” (man to man) just didn’t seem appropriate between two women, and “frente an frente” (front to front) never occurred to me.
Mano means hand not man… One on One is more like Frente a Frente.
Why do you think I am a woman? Am I a brown latina from El Salvador or a blond-spanish male(from Spain)?
Is Spanish my native language or Italian? Very interesting!
I am replying because the debate in this blog is about perceptions not just illegal immigration. A group that don’t assimilates must be a group of illegal aliens. I am not attributing this to you Anke in particular.
In fact I don’t think that you are that radical among the bloggers posting here.
As I said before many Salvadorans are legally here in this country but they have not assimilated. It is easy for people to categorize them into the illegal alien group because of the way they look or the way they are perceived.
I try to base my perceptions, TH, on an individual’s level of discourse and the issues involved…and I respond accordingly. I had originally perceived you as someone who was rather open-minded and willing to debate the issue with civility. Insofar as my perception that you were a woman, it was based upon something you said quite some time ago…and I don’t think I’m wrong.
WHY you suddenly felt the need to get personal and attack me over an incredibly innocuous remark, in a comment which was not even in answer to a comment from you, still escapes me! I have nothing of consequence in my life for which I am ashamed and, indeed, much of which I am proud. If you are so insecure that feel the need to attack someone like me, then you’ve got a problem. Funny, I’ve helped lots of people solve their problems in my time, asking little if anything in return, but when I’m crossed I can be a very determined and merciless enemy.
Lovisa, you are VERY entertaining. you’re not to be taken seriously. For 79 years of age you ARE amazing….hang in there.
TH and Lovisa,
You both seem to ignore the present in order to justify your view of what you think will be a better future. I disagree with your perspectives, but agree there is a reality beyond this issue that getting rid of all “illegal” immigrants won’t solve. But letting “illegal” immigrants just pour into the country until they become a dominant political and ethnic force will only make the current ethics, criminal activities in declining neighborhoods, and general failure and decline of the economy worse rather than better. As long as they remain separatist and politically disconnected, and culturally rebellious, they will be a destabilizing element in the peaceful society trying to establish and maintain common culture, non-ethnic aligned business practice, ethics and lawfulness. You see the evidence of what is to come in America’s future in other countries who have failed to absorb “illegal” immigrant populations in reasonably slow timeframes, have failed to have peaceful unified cultures, law, fair business practice and “national culture” i.e. sovereignty, to prevent economic decline, criminal activity increase and social issues that divide citizens into groups along racial, ethnic, religious and gender lines. These divisions harm the nation and are the ultimate problem and flaw in your arguments, that these group advocacies for special privilege at the expense of all others is not harmful. It is. The larger the ethnic divisions in a society the more unstable it becomes when these groups align into political factions, gangs, mafias, and black-market economic cultures. Our 1920s were devastated with these criminal “illegal” immigrant problems, our 1950s were in turmoil over ethnic, racial, religious, and gender group divisions. We would have been in a second civil war, if not for the actions and philosophy of a very wise man, Martin Luther King, who advocated for peaceful resolution to an ethnic separatist problem. The result was a painful but righteous blending of two divisive cultures into a single one called American. It was not perfect, is still not fair in some people eyes, and in most circumstances today’s ethnically aligned political groups, entertainment groups and business practices have forgotten the basic issue is not about advocating for your own special racial, ethnic, religious, and gender privilege, but to advocate that we are all equal Americans with equal rights that cannot and constitutionally should not divide along separatist, radical and divisive social lines that are racially, ethnically, religiously, and gender defined.
All immigrants to this country took time to assimilate, the first generation faring much worse than the 2nd and 3rd. The kids all spoke English, because they went to public schools. VERY FEW of these families advocated for remaining separatist and radical elements in society, although many of them created most of the worst crime situations, declining communities, and the worst crime rings this country ever had to deal with. They created these crime rings because felt they could get away with it, did not care about the law because it wasn’t convenient to them, and because they cared only about their own ethnic group welfare, at the expense of all others who lived in the communities they invaded.
You support that this criminal activity should be encouraged and their is some sense of nobleness to it, especially if it involves racial group privileges and benefits of an ethic group you wish to advocate and identify with. You seem to defend this from an ethnic group perspective more than from a lawful, national sovereignty which is why I think your arguments, though well thought out are often inappropriately only part of the real issue (its like telling a partial truth because it benefits you in some way and not seeing the damaging impact of it).
Divisive and separatist behavior by ANY ethnic, racial, gender or religious group creates conflict and turmoil, and generally lawless decline and economic decline in any lawful society if you look at what is happening in other countries and what happened here in the US in past “illegal” immigrant out of control communities. This is why it must be dealt with now.