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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/02/blogger-happy-hour-report/#comment-23710</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 00:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/02/blogger-happy-hour-report/#comment-23710</guid>
		<description>TH and Lovisa,
You both seem to ignore the present in order to justify your view of what you think will be a better future.  I disagree with your perspectives, but agree there is a reality beyond this issue that getting rid of all "illegal" immigrants won't solve.  But letting "illegal" immigrants just pour into the country until they become a dominant political and ethnic force will only make the current ethics, criminal activities in declining neighborhoods, and general failure and decline of the economy worse rather than better.  As long as they remain separatist and politically disconnected, and culturally rebellious, they will be a destabilizing element in the peaceful society trying to establish and maintain common culture, non-ethnic aligned business practice, ethics and lawfulness.  You see the evidence of what is to come in America's future in other countries who have failed to absorb "illegal" immigrant populations in reasonably slow timeframes, have failed to have peaceful unified cultures, law, fair business practice and "national culture" i.e. sovereignty, to prevent economic decline, criminal activity increase and social issues that divide citizens into groups along racial, ethnic, religious and gender lines.  These divisions harm the nation and are the ultimate problem and flaw in your arguments, that these group advocacies for special privilege at the expense of all others is not harmful. It is.  The larger the ethnic divisions in a society the more unstable it becomes when these groups align into political factions, gangs, mafias, and black-market economic cultures. Our 1920s were devastated with these criminal "illegal" immigrant problems, our 1950s were in turmoil over ethnic, racial, religious, and gender group divisions.  We would have been in a second civil war, if not for the actions and philosophy of a very wise man, Martin Luther King, who advocated for peaceful resolution to an ethnic separatist problem.  The result was a painful but righteous blending of two divisive cultures into a single one called American.  It was not perfect, is still not fair in some people eyes, and in most circumstances today’s ethnically aligned political groups, entertainment groups and business practices have forgotten the basic issue is not about advocating for your own special racial, ethnic, religious, and gender privilege, but to advocate that we are all equal Americans with equal rights that cannot and constitutionally should not divide along separatist, radical and divisive social lines that are racially, ethnically, religiously, and gender defined. 

All immigrants to this country took time to assimilate, the first generation faring much worse than the 2nd and 3rd.  The kids all spoke English, because they went to public schools.  VERY FEW of these families advocated for remaining separatist and radical elements in society, although many of them created most of the worst crime situations, declining communities, and the worst crime rings this country ever had to deal with.  They created these crime rings because felt they could get away with it, did not care about the law because it wasn’t convenient to them, and because they cared only about their own ethnic group welfare, at the expense of all others who lived in the communities they invaded.
You support that this criminal activity should be encouraged and their is some sense of nobleness to it, especially if it involves racial group privileges and benefits of an ethic group you wish to advocate and identify with.  You seem to defend this from an ethnic group perspective more than from a lawful, national sovereignty which is why I think your arguments, though  well thought out are often inappropriately only part of the real issue (its like telling a partial truth because it benefits you in some way and not seeing the damaging impact of it).

Divisive and separatist behavior by ANY ethnic, racial, gender or religious group creates conflict and turmoil, and generally lawless decline and economic decline in any lawful society if you look at what is happening in other countries and what happened here in the US in past "illegal" immigrant out of control communities.  This is why it must be dealt with now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TH and Lovisa,<br />
You both seem to ignore the present in order to justify your view of what you think will be a better future.  I disagree with your perspectives, but agree there is a reality beyond this issue that getting rid of all &#8220;illegal&#8221; immigrants won&#8217;t solve.  But letting &#8220;illegal&#8221; immigrants just pour into the country until they become a dominant political and ethnic force will only make the current ethics, criminal activities in declining neighborhoods, and general failure and decline of the economy worse rather than better.  As long as they remain separatist and politically disconnected, and culturally rebellious, they will be a destabilizing element in the peaceful society trying to establish and maintain common culture, non-ethnic aligned business practice, ethics and lawfulness.  You see the evidence of what is to come in America&#8217;s future in other countries who have failed to absorb &#8220;illegal&#8221; immigrant populations in reasonably slow timeframes, have failed to have peaceful unified cultures, law, fair business practice and &#8220;national culture&#8221; i.e. sovereignty, to prevent economic decline, criminal activity increase and social issues that divide citizens into groups along racial, ethnic, religious and gender lines.  These divisions harm the nation and are the ultimate problem and flaw in your arguments, that these group advocacies for special privilege at the expense of all others is not harmful. It is.  The larger the ethnic divisions in a society the more unstable it becomes when these groups align into political factions, gangs, mafias, and black-market economic cultures. Our 1920s were devastated with these criminal &#8220;illegal&#8221; immigrant problems, our 1950s were in turmoil over ethnic, racial, religious, and gender group divisions.  We would have been in a second civil war, if not for the actions and philosophy of a very wise man, Martin Luther King, who advocated for peaceful resolution to an ethnic separatist problem.  The result was a painful but righteous blending of two divisive cultures into a single one called American.  It was not perfect, is still not fair in some people eyes, and in most circumstances today’s ethnically aligned political groups, entertainment groups and business practices have forgotten the basic issue is not about advocating for your own special racial, ethnic, religious, and gender privilege, but to advocate that we are all equal Americans with equal rights that cannot and constitutionally should not divide along separatist, radical and divisive social lines that are racially, ethnically, religiously, and gender defined. </p>
<p>All immigrants to this country took time to assimilate, the first generation faring much worse than the 2nd and 3rd.  The kids all spoke English, because they went to public schools.  VERY FEW of these families advocated for remaining separatist and radical elements in society, although many of them created most of the worst crime situations, declining communities, and the worst crime rings this country ever had to deal with.  They created these crime rings because felt they could get away with it, did not care about the law because it wasn’t convenient to them, and because they cared only about their own ethnic group welfare, at the expense of all others who lived in the communities they invaded.<br />
You support that this criminal activity should be encouraged and their is some sense of nobleness to it, especially if it involves racial group privileges and benefits of an ethic group you wish to advocate and identify with.  You seem to defend this from an ethnic group perspective more than from a lawful, national sovereignty which is why I think your arguments, though  well thought out are often inappropriately only part of the real issue (its like telling a partial truth because it benefits you in some way and not seeing the damaging impact of it).</p>
<p>Divisive and separatist behavior by ANY ethnic, racial, gender or religious group creates conflict and turmoil, and generally lawless decline and economic decline in any lawful society if you look at what is happening in other countries and what happened here in the US in past &#8220;illegal&#8221; immigrant out of control communities.  This is why it must be dealt with now.</p>
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		<title>By: justice</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/02/blogger-happy-hour-report/#comment-23603</link>
		<dc:creator>justice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 01:58:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/02/blogger-happy-hour-report/#comment-23603</guid>
		<description>Lovisa, you are VERY entertaining. you're not to be taken seriously. For 79 years of age you ARE amazing....hang in there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lovisa, you are VERY entertaining. you&#8217;re not to be taken seriously. For 79 years of age you ARE amazing&#8230;.hang in there.</p>
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		<title>By: AWCheney</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/02/blogger-happy-hour-report/#comment-23591</link>
		<dc:creator>AWCheney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 00:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/02/blogger-happy-hour-report/#comment-23591</guid>
		<description>I try to base my perceptions, TH, on an individual's level of discourse and the issues involved...and I respond accordingly.  I had originally perceived you as someone who was rather open-minded and willing to debate the issue with civility.  Insofar as my perception that you were a woman, it was based upon something you said quite some time ago...and I don't think I'm wrong.  

WHY you suddenly felt the need to get personal and attack me over an incredibly innocuous remark, in a comment which was not even in answer to a comment from you, still escapes me!  I have nothing of consequence in my life for which I am ashamed and, indeed, much of which I am proud.  If you are so insecure that feel the need to attack someone like me, then you've got a problem.  Funny, I've helped lots of people solve their problems in my time, asking little if anything in return, but when I'm crossed I can be a very determined and merciless enemy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I try to base my perceptions, TH, on an individual&#8217;s level of discourse and the issues involved&#8230;and I respond accordingly.  I had originally perceived you as someone who was rather open-minded and willing to debate the issue with civility.  Insofar as my perception that you were a woman, it was based upon something you said quite some time ago&#8230;and I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;m wrong.  </p>
<p>WHY you suddenly felt the need to get personal and attack me over an incredibly innocuous remark, in a comment which was not even in answer to a comment from you, still escapes me!  I have nothing of consequence in my life for which I am ashamed and, indeed, much of which I am proud.  If you are so insecure that feel the need to attack someone like me, then you&#8217;ve got a problem.  Funny, I&#8217;ve helped lots of people solve their problems in my time, asking little if anything in return, but when I&#8217;m crossed I can be a very determined and merciless enemy.</p>
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		<title>By: TH</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/02/blogger-happy-hour-report/#comment-23584</link>
		<dc:creator>TH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 23:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/02/blogger-happy-hour-report/#comment-23584</guid>
		<description>Mano means hand not man... One on One is more like Frente a Frente. 
Why do you think I am a woman? Am I a brown latina from El Salvador or a blond-spanish male(from Spain)?
Is Spanish my native language or Italian? Very interesting!
I am replying because the debate in this blog is about perceptions not just illegal immigration. A group that don't assimilates must be a group of illegal aliens. I am not attributing this to you Anke in particular.
In fact I don't think that you are that radical among the bloggers posting here.
As I said before many Salvadorans are legally here in this country but they have not assimilated. It is easy for people to categorize them into the illegal alien group because of the way they look or the way they are perceived.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mano means hand not man&#8230; One on One is more like Frente a Frente.<br />
Why do you think I am a woman? Am I a brown latina from El Salvador or a blond-spanish male(from Spain)?<br />
Is Spanish my native language or Italian? Very interesting!<br />
I am replying because the debate in this blog is about perceptions not just illegal immigration. A group that don&#8217;t assimilates must be a group of illegal aliens. I am not attributing this to you Anke in particular.<br />
In fact I don&#8217;t think that you are that radical among the bloggers posting here.<br />
As I said before many Salvadorans are legally here in this country but they have not assimilated. It is easy for people to categorize them into the illegal alien group because of the way they look or the way they are perceived.</p>
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		<title>By: AWCheney</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/02/blogger-happy-hour-report/#comment-23580</link>
		<dc:creator>AWCheney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 23:34:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/02/blogger-happy-hour-report/#comment-23580</guid>
		<description>"It is funny that you said Uno en Uno when you referred toi what you will do to me. Mano a Mano will be much better ort maybe frente an frente."

By the way, I used "Uno en Uno" (one on one) because "Mano a Mano" (man to man) just didn't seem appropriate between two women, and "frente an frente" (front to front) never occurred to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It is funny that you said Uno en Uno when you referred toi what you will do to me. Mano a Mano will be much better ort maybe frente an frente.&#8221;</p>
<p>By the way, I used &#8220;Uno en Uno&#8221; (one on one) because &#8220;Mano a Mano&#8221; (man to man) just didn&#8217;t seem appropriate between two women, and &#8220;frente an frente&#8221; (front to front) never occurred to me.</p>
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		<title>By: AWCheney</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/02/blogger-happy-hour-report/#comment-23579</link>
		<dc:creator>AWCheney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 23:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/02/blogger-happy-hour-report/#comment-23579</guid>
		<description>You wanted it, you got it.  I never claimed to be a language expert...just that I'd be willing to go for it if you preferred.  I trust the meaning came through, however.  

It's rather perplexing that you say that you don't "need" to hear my history, since your twisted version of it (which came right out of the blue, btw) is the only issue you have addressed to me since August 27.  I'm only setting the record straight...but apparently truth flies very low on your radar.  Insofar as me being nice to you before, I try to be nice to everybody...unless they give me reason not to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You wanted it, you got it.  I never claimed to be a language expert&#8230;just that I&#8217;d be willing to go for it if you preferred.  I trust the meaning came through, however.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s rather perplexing that you say that you don&#8217;t &#8220;need&#8221; to hear my history, since your twisted version of it (which came right out of the blue, btw) is the only issue you have addressed to me since August 27.  I&#8217;m only setting the record straight&#8230;but apparently truth flies very low on your radar.  Insofar as me being nice to you before, I try to be nice to everybody&#8230;unless they give me reason not to be.</p>
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		<title>By: TH</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/02/blogger-happy-hour-report/#comment-23573</link>
		<dc:creator>TH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 22:44:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/02/blogger-happy-hour-report/#comment-23573</guid>
		<description>Good for you Anke! You have done a lot with your life. It is great that although I don't understand the nuances of English I can use my "adopted" language to be unsderstood.
I don't need to hear your history or name Anke. You introduced yourself and you don't even know who I am. At the time you were nice and you didn't seem to have a problem with my English skills. I guess that when you cannot see a person, then you assume a lot of things. 
This is the last message that I will address to you to discuss this issue. I will continue contributing to this post and feel free to attack me. 
Please don't try Spanish, it is worse than my broken English (terrible sintaxis and grammar. It is not Spanish but Spanglish. Good try though).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good for you Anke! You have done a lot with your life. It is great that although I don&#8217;t understand the nuances of English I can use my &#8220;adopted&#8221; language to be unsderstood.<br />
I don&#8217;t need to hear your history or name Anke. You introduced yourself and you don&#8217;t even know who I am. At the time you were nice and you didn&#8217;t seem to have a problem with my English skills. I guess that when you cannot see a person, then you assume a lot of things.<br />
This is the last message that I will address to you to discuss this issue. I will continue contributing to this post and feel free to attack me.<br />
Please don&#8217;t try Spanish, it is worse than my broken English (terrible sintaxis and grammar. It is not Spanish but Spanglish. Good try though).</p>
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		<title>By: AWCheney</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/02/blogger-happy-hour-report/#comment-23570</link>
		<dc:creator>AWCheney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 22:25:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/02/blogger-happy-hour-report/#comment-23570</guid>
		<description>Si el mensaje no se oye mientras que se significa, después quizás requiere la clarificación, no el insulto y la presunción. Estoy absolutamente enterado de mi realidad, y sospecho que soy precio más enterado que eres, en todas las cosas. Con respecto al discusión… eres el quién eligió los términos, no I.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Si el mensaje no se oye mientras que se significa, después quizás requiere la clarificación, no el insulto y la presunción. Estoy absolutamente enterado de mi realidad, y sospecho que soy precio más enterado que eres, en todas las cosas. Con respecto al discusión… eres el quién eligió los términos, no I.</p>
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		<title>By: AWCheney</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/02/blogger-happy-hour-report/#comment-23569</link>
		<dc:creator>AWCheney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 22:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/02/blogger-happy-hour-report/#comment-23569</guid>
		<description>I don't need to go running to Greg, TH...he is reading each and every one of these posts and probably trying to decide what to do about it.  YOU have created this situation, and only you can end it, one way or the other.  The point you are continually avoiding is that none of this is about me...it's all about you, your own version of elitism, and your difficulty in comprehending nuances of the English language in context.

Would you like to know about me?  Aside from the fact that I post under my own name and stand by each and every one of my commentary on the blogs, you can also look me up under my maiden name (Anke Wiechmann) in Who's Who In American Politics (decade between 1975 or 76 and 1986), The International Who's Who of Women (1986), International Register of Profiles (can't remember the year...'85 or '86), maybe a few other piddling things that are equally irrelevant.  I started raising my family late in life (age 35), and actually did a pretty good job of it.  My daughter will be studying at the University of Reading and Oxford (both in England, of course) next year, my son is finishing up his technical studies to become a Certified Master Mechanic, and the oldest boy (who, as I told you several times before, I didn't raise) is still in the military, in a manner of speaking, and hanging out with his mother (not me).  

There's a great deal more about me, but that is also irrelevant to anyone, except perhaps you because your elitism is showing.  I come to the blogs to offer my opinion, trying very hard to stick to issues when I disagree with someone, rather than getting into personalities (or getting personal), and only wishing for the same in return (of course, when it's not returned, that's a different issue).  I'm actually VERY angry that I am made to feel compelled to justify myself to someone such as yourself.  I have only EVER used personal information as anecdotal (from experience) for purposes of illustrating a point...if anyone wants to know about me, my name is right there and there are plenty of people who know it, and know about me.  

So TH, learn to read, to comprehend, and to respect others on this forum...or go somewhere else.  Until you attacked me personally, I had valued your opinion.  Unfortunately, that value has diminished immeasurably, but at least you are showing your true nature now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t need to go running to Greg, TH&#8230;he is reading each and every one of these posts and probably trying to decide what to do about it.  YOU have created this situation, and only you can end it, one way or the other.  The point you are continually avoiding is that none of this is about me&#8230;it&#8217;s all about you, your own version of elitism, and your difficulty in comprehending nuances of the English language in context.</p>
<p>Would you like to know about me?  Aside from the fact that I post under my own name and stand by each and every one of my commentary on the blogs, you can also look me up under my maiden name (Anke Wiechmann) in Who&#8217;s Who In American Politics (decade between 1975 or 76 and 1986), The International Who&#8217;s Who of Women (1986), International Register of Profiles (can&#8217;t remember the year&#8230;&#8217;85 or &#8216;86), maybe a few other piddling things that are equally irrelevant.  I started raising my family late in life (age 35), and actually did a pretty good job of it.  My daughter will be studying at the University of Reading and Oxford (both in England, of course) next year, my son is finishing up his technical studies to become a Certified Master Mechanic, and the oldest boy (who, as I told you several times before, I didn&#8217;t raise) is still in the military, in a manner of speaking, and hanging out with his mother (not me).  </p>
<p>There&#8217;s a great deal more about me, but that is also irrelevant to anyone, except perhaps you because your elitism is showing.  I come to the blogs to offer my opinion, trying very hard to stick to issues when I disagree with someone, rather than getting into personalities (or getting personal), and only wishing for the same in return (of course, when it&#8217;s not returned, that&#8217;s a different issue).  I&#8217;m actually VERY angry that I am made to feel compelled to justify myself to someone such as yourself.  I have only EVER used personal information as anecdotal (from experience) for purposes of illustrating a point&#8230;if anyone wants to know about me, my name is right there and there are plenty of people who know it, and know about me.  </p>
<p>So TH, learn to read, to comprehend, and to respect others on this forum&#8230;or go somewhere else.  Until you attacked me personally, I had valued your opinion.  Unfortunately, that value has diminished immeasurably, but at least you are showing your true nature now.</p>
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		<title>By: TH</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/02/blogger-happy-hour-report/#comment-23564</link>
		<dc:creator>TH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 21:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/02/blogger-happy-hour-report/#comment-23564</guid>
		<description>I read your post more carefully AWCheney. This is what you said:
"my eldest stepson spent some time working at Wal-Mart, where he was underpaid and overworked, most likely because there is an enormous illegal labor pool out there willing to work at slave wages as long as there are sufficient numbers of check-cashing stores around their neighborhoods so that they can continue to operate under the radar, collecting public assistance…unlike their legal resident/citizen co-workers."
You are not only saying that your son was underpaid becaus of the pool of illegal aliens around us but yoiu are stating that at this point of his life( teeanaher I guess) your stepson has the same skills that an uneducated illegal alien has.
There is nothing wrong with working at Walmart but in the past it was good enough to get a HS diploma and get a job for the rerst of your life. Now you have to go beyond that. Why? It is the economy.
Let's say that you get rid of all of them. The jobs won't get any better. 
So plaese respond, Do you think your stepson,or any other kid with the skills your kid has,  have a future in this economy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read your post more carefully AWCheney. This is what you said:<br />
&#8220;my eldest stepson spent some time working at Wal-Mart, where he was underpaid and overworked, most likely because there is an enormous illegal labor pool out there willing to work at slave wages as long as there are sufficient numbers of check-cashing stores around their neighborhoods so that they can continue to operate under the radar, collecting public assistance…unlike their legal resident/citizen co-workers.&#8221;<br />
You are not only saying that your son was underpaid becaus of the pool of illegal aliens around us but yoiu are stating that at this point of his life( teeanaher I guess) your stepson has the same skills that an uneducated illegal alien has.<br />
There is nothing wrong with working at Walmart but in the past it was good enough to get a HS diploma and get a job for the rerst of your life. Now you have to go beyond that. Why? It is the economy.<br />
Let&#8217;s say that you get rid of all of them. The jobs won&#8217;t get any better.<br />
So plaese respond, Do you think your stepson,or any other kid with the skills your kid has,  have a future in this economy?</p>
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		<title>By: TH</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/02/blogger-happy-hour-report/#comment-23563</link>
		<dc:creator>TH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 21:01:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/02/blogger-happy-hour-report/#comment-23563</guid>
		<description>AWCheney,
Call greg since you have his number and ask him to block my postings. How is that going to hurt me? You are the one who feel offended. What I say hit hard because now you have someone who is part of a problem. Imagine what other people would think when you talk about their kids and called them anchor babies when in fact they are citizens of this country.
By the way if  you want to criticize my English, please then don't even try Spanish. It is funny that you said Uno en Uno when you referred toi what you will do to me. Mano a Mano will be much better ort maybe frente an frente. What you don't realize is that if you start that back and forth with me La Piedra se topo con el Coyol (I learned that in El salvador so ask a salvadoran to translate it)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AWCheney,<br />
Call greg since you have his number and ask him to block my postings. How is that going to hurt me? You are the one who feel offended. What I say hit hard because now you have someone who is part of a problem. Imagine what other people would think when you talk about their kids and called them anchor babies when in fact they are citizens of this country.<br />
By the way if  you want to criticize my English, please then don&#8217;t even try Spanish. It is funny that you said Uno en Uno when you referred toi what you will do to me. Mano a Mano will be much better ort maybe frente an frente. What you don&#8217;t realize is that if you start that back and forth with me La Piedra se topo con el Coyol (I learned that in El salvador so ask a salvadoran to translate it)</p>
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		<title>By: TH</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/02/blogger-happy-hour-report/#comment-23562</link>
		<dc:creator>TH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 20:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/02/blogger-happy-hour-report/#comment-23562</guid>
		<description>AWCheney,
 Go and complain with Greg. It won't change your situation. Even if I improved my English, it won't make your family situation any better.
I didn't say that you were a terrible Mother/Father. I said that there is a reality behind thgis whole mess we are in that won't bve solved just by getting rid of illegal aliens. As anm example I used your stepson situation(which I won't reapeat to cause you more pain)
"Now, I am going up into the more recent threads and respond to each and every one of your comments, regardless of to whom they are directed."
Go ahead and talk about my english, grammar, etc but it won't fix the problems that the region suffers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AWCheney,<br />
 Go and complain with Greg. It won&#8217;t change your situation. Even if I improved my English, it won&#8217;t make your family situation any better.<br />
I didn&#8217;t say that you were a terrible Mother/Father. I said that there is a reality behind thgis whole mess we are in that won&#8217;t bve solved just by getting rid of illegal aliens. As anm example I used your stepson situation(which I won&#8217;t reapeat to cause you more pain)<br />
&#8220;Now, I am going up into the more recent threads and respond to each and every one of your comments, regardless of to whom they are directed.&#8221;<br />
Go ahead and talk about my english, grammar, etc but it won&#8217;t fix the problems that the region suffers.</p>
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		<title>By: TH</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/02/blogger-happy-hour-report/#comment-23560</link>
		<dc:creator>TH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 20:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/02/blogger-happy-hour-report/#comment-23560</guid>
		<description>AWCheney,
Es una lastima que no queramos habalr el mismo idioma y cuando lo hablamos solo queremos escucharnos a nosotros mismos. Es triste que tengamos que usar este tipo de argumento y ahora utiliozar aleman o español para mandar un mensaje que sabemos que no va a llegar a la audiencia que queremos. Tu caracter no ha sido defamado por lo que he dicho, simplemente eres ciega de no querer ver tu realidad y venir a este forum con un mensaje en aleman para impresionarnos. Noe eres la unica que habla otro idioma. No te escondas en ese ididoma para no debatir con nosotros.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AWCheney,<br />
Es una lastima que no queramos habalr el mismo idioma y cuando lo hablamos solo queremos escucharnos a nosotros mismos. Es triste que tengamos que usar este tipo de argumento y ahora utiliozar aleman o español para mandar un mensaje que sabemos que no va a llegar a la audiencia que queremos. Tu caracter no ha sido defamado por lo que he dicho, simplemente eres ciega de no querer ver tu realidad y venir a este forum con un mensaje en aleman para impresionarnos. Noe eres la unica que habla otro idioma. No te escondas en ese ididoma para no debatir con nosotros.</p>
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		<title>By: AWCheney</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/02/blogger-happy-hour-report/#comment-23548</link>
		<dc:creator>AWCheney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 19:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/02/blogger-happy-hour-report/#comment-23548</guid>
		<description>I came to this country when I was 2 Lovisa, and was bilingual at 3.  I actually taught myself to read and write German from my fluency in the spoken language...probably badly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I came to this country when I was 2 Lovisa, and was bilingual at 3.  I actually taught myself to read and write German from my fluency in the spoken language&#8230;probably badly.</p>
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		<title>By: AWCheney</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/02/blogger-happy-hour-report/#comment-23547</link>
		<dc:creator>AWCheney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 19:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/02/blogger-happy-hour-report/#comment-23547</guid>
		<description>Sorry, my German is a little rusty.  That last sentence should be "Sie hat eine Linie mit mir gekreuzt, welches ich nicht erlaube, daß gekreuzt wird."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, my German is a little rusty.  That last sentence should be &#8220;Sie hat eine Linie mit mir gekreuzt, welches ich nicht erlaube, daß gekreuzt wird.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: AWCheney</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/02/blogger-happy-hour-report/#comment-23546</link>
		<dc:creator>AWCheney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 19:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/02/blogger-happy-hour-report/#comment-23546</guid>
		<description>Lovisa, ja ich aufgeregt werde, aber mit gutem Grund. Ich habe versucht, meine Meinungen mit Artigkeit zu fördern, und mit Rücksicht für die Meinungen von anderen, nur, meinen Charakter impuned durch TH. ..wen zu haben, setzen fort, weiter so zu machen. Sie erlaube eine Linie mit mir den ich nicht hat gekreuzt gekreuzt zu werden.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lovisa, ja ich aufgeregt werde, aber mit gutem Grund. Ich habe versucht, meine Meinungen mit Artigkeit zu fördern, und mit Rücksicht für die Meinungen von anderen, nur, meinen Charakter impuned durch TH. ..wen zu haben, setzen fort, weiter so zu machen. Sie erlaube eine Linie mit mir den ich nicht hat gekreuzt gekreuzt zu werden.</p>
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		<title>By: Lovisa</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/02/blogger-happy-hour-report/#comment-23542</link>
		<dc:creator>Lovisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 18:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/02/blogger-happy-hour-report/#comment-23542</guid>
		<description>AWCheney - Sie sind ja ganz erregt.  Calm down and go out and enjoy this beautiful day and count your blessings that you live in this country with all its freedoms.  It's a holiday, for pete's sake!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AWCheney - Sie sind ja ganz erregt.  Calm down and go out and enjoy this beautiful day and count your blessings that you live in this country with all its freedoms.  It&#8217;s a holiday, for pete&#8217;s sake!</p>
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		<title>By: AWCheney</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/02/blogger-happy-hour-report/#comment-23533</link>
		<dc:creator>AWCheney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 18:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/02/blogger-happy-hour-report/#comment-23533</guid>
		<description>OK TH, here goes...I said nothing of the sort.  Right, like I'm going to say, even by implication, that I'm a bad parent.  The problem, TH, is that YOU have a problem with the English language.  Granted, it is a second language for you, as it is for me, but I, however, have actually mastered it.  Allow me to illustrate:

“…go back inside the Wal*mart that hires you and continue to be underpaid, overworked, and then have all the people who complain so much at this website remind you to go back where you came from.”...was the quote from which I was working.  The offending passage was:  "Rush to judgment (how very appropriate), my eldest stepson spent some time working at Wal-Mart, where he was underpaid and overworked, most likely because there is an enormous illegal labor pool out there willing to work at slave wages as long as there are sufficient numbers of check-cashing stores around their neighborhoods so that they can continue to operate under the radar, collecting public assistance…unlike their legal resident/citizen co-workers. (As a sidebar, I should like to point out that it was not I who assumed that any of these employees are illegal.) There are many young people and retirees out there who were raised to believe in an old-fashioned work ethic, whose opportunities become very limited because of the new “slave culture” in this country that manages, however, to fare rather well financially thanks to the enablers of our “compassionate” government and society. Your comment was patently absurd in so many ways."

YOUR reaction to this innocuous, oft repeated point that illegal aliens are being utilized as a modern "slave culture," albeit a relatively comfortable one with their virtually tax-free status and feeding frenzy at the public welfare trough, was to castigate ME for the way I raised my stepson (who, by the way, I DID NOT raise...I raised his younger brother, which I  pointed out later) as follows:   We agree on a lot of things but on the issue of your stepson we have to disagree.
Just some questions. Nothing wrong with working at Walmart but why did he do to get there?
I mean you can get educated in this country if you want it. get financial aid go to a community college, etc. How come that your stepson is competing for a job with an illegal alien?
I mean he is not fighting for a job in Wall Street. I don’t want to sound arrogant but you have to see yourself and ask the real questions.  

You then go on into a diatribe about slurpees and coffee, and the illegal aliens preventing my son from going to college and studying for the SATs...and YOU'RE SURPRISED THAT I GOT PISSED OFF??  I suggest, TH, that you hold on to your seat and, while you're at it, brush up on your English grammar, spelling, and sentence construction...'cause YOU'RE in for a ride now!  If you want to end this privately, and amicably, I suggest that you email Greg and have him forward it to me and I'll respond...but I will have that apology, one way or the other.  You want to do this in Spanish...I'm with that.  How about German...that's MY first language.  I'll even take a crack at Italian or French, if you prefer.

Now, I am going up into the more recent threads and respond to each and every one of your comments, regardless of to whom they are directed.  The gauntlet is down.  And Greg, if you have a problem with this post, you have my number...call me.  I'll be keeping it in a file to be re-posted if it gets deleted before she responds...if she has the guts.  I know this is off-topic and has gotten personal, but I will not let it go until it's resolved.  The unfortunate thing about anonymous and pseudonymous posting is that they can perpetrate this manner of nonsense (which, with her continually bringing it up herself, she seems to insist upon perpetuating) and not be personally held accountable...so there's only one place that it can be hashed out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK TH, here goes&#8230;I said nothing of the sort.  Right, like I&#8217;m going to say, even by implication, that I&#8217;m a bad parent.  The problem, TH, is that YOU have a problem with the English language.  Granted, it is a second language for you, as it is for me, but I, however, have actually mastered it.  Allow me to illustrate:</p>
<p>“…go back inside the Wal*mart that hires you and continue to be underpaid, overworked, and then have all the people who complain so much at this website remind you to go back where you came from.”&#8230;was the quote from which I was working.  The offending passage was:  &#8220;Rush to judgment (how very appropriate), my eldest stepson spent some time working at Wal-Mart, where he was underpaid and overworked, most likely because there is an enormous illegal labor pool out there willing to work at slave wages as long as there are sufficient numbers of check-cashing stores around their neighborhoods so that they can continue to operate under the radar, collecting public assistance…unlike their legal resident/citizen co-workers. (As a sidebar, I should like to point out that it was not I who assumed that any of these employees are illegal.) There are many young people and retirees out there who were raised to believe in an old-fashioned work ethic, whose opportunities become very limited because of the new “slave culture” in this country that manages, however, to fare rather well financially thanks to the enablers of our “compassionate” government and society. Your comment was patently absurd in so many ways.&#8221;</p>
<p>YOUR reaction to this innocuous, oft repeated point that illegal aliens are being utilized as a modern &#8220;slave culture,&#8221; albeit a relatively comfortable one with their virtually tax-free status and feeding frenzy at the public welfare trough, was to castigate ME for the way I raised my stepson (who, by the way, I DID NOT raise&#8230;I raised his younger brother, which I  pointed out later) as follows:   We agree on a lot of things but on the issue of your stepson we have to disagree.<br />
Just some questions. Nothing wrong with working at Walmart but why did he do to get there?<br />
I mean you can get educated in this country if you want it. get financial aid go to a community college, etc. How come that your stepson is competing for a job with an illegal alien?<br />
I mean he is not fighting for a job in Wall Street. I don’t want to sound arrogant but you have to see yourself and ask the real questions.  </p>
<p>You then go on into a diatribe about slurpees and coffee, and the illegal aliens preventing my son from going to college and studying for the SATs&#8230;and YOU&#8217;RE SURPRISED THAT I GOT PISSED OFF??  I suggest, TH, that you hold on to your seat and, while you&#8217;re at it, brush up on your English grammar, spelling, and sentence construction&#8230;&#8217;cause YOU&#8217;RE in for a ride now!  If you want to end this privately, and amicably, I suggest that you email Greg and have him forward it to me and I&#8217;ll respond&#8230;but I will have that apology, one way or the other.  You want to do this in Spanish&#8230;I&#8217;m with that.  How about German&#8230;that&#8217;s MY first language.  I&#8217;ll even take a crack at Italian or French, if you prefer.</p>
<p>Now, I am going up into the more recent threads and respond to each and every one of your comments, regardless of to whom they are directed.  The gauntlet is down.  And Greg, if you have a problem with this post, you have my number&#8230;call me.  I&#8217;ll be keeping it in a file to be re-posted if it gets deleted before she responds&#8230;if she has the guts.  I know this is off-topic and has gotten personal, but I will not let it go until it&#8217;s resolved.  The unfortunate thing about anonymous and pseudonymous posting is that they can perpetrate this manner of nonsense (which, with her continually bringing it up herself, she seems to insist upon perpetuating) and not be personally held accountable&#8230;so there&#8217;s only one place that it can be hashed out.</p>
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		<title>By: TH</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/02/blogger-happy-hour-report/#comment-23528</link>
		<dc:creator>TH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 17:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/02/blogger-happy-hour-report/#comment-23528</guid>
		<description>Nova Scout,
For Patriot you just need to disagree with him to be labeled liberal. First he said that he was not talking about ID and  then he said youo need to have documents with you.
In the world he/she lives in, his/her point of view represents the conservative perspective</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nova Scout,<br />
For Patriot you just need to disagree with him to be labeled liberal. First he said that he was not talking about ID and  then he said youo need to have documents with you.<br />
In the world he/she lives in, his/her point of view represents the conservative perspective</p>
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		<title>By: NoVA Scout</title>
		<link>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/02/blogger-happy-hour-report/#comment-23526</link>
		<dc:creator>NoVA Scout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 16:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bvbl.net/index.php/2007/09/02/blogger-happy-hour-report/#comment-23526</guid>
		<description>Actually, Patriot, I'm politically conservative.  My point was that conservatives don't take kindly to the idea of police asking for documents without probable cause.  You, on the other hand, indicated the you would "be more than happy" to comply (see your 8:30pm comment).  That kind of sheep-like "happy" strikes me as a radical leftist outlook that undermines our liberties.  Nothing you've posted looks much like conservatism to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Patriot, I&#8217;m politically conservative.  My point was that conservatives don&#8217;t take kindly to the idea of police asking for documents without probable cause.  You, on the other hand, indicated the you would &#8220;be more than happy&#8221; to comply (see your 8:30pm comment).  That kind of sheep-like &#8220;happy&#8221; strikes me as a radical leftist outlook that undermines our liberties.  Nothing you&#8217;ve posted looks much like conservatism to me.</p>
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