Boycott And Protest Were A Failure
By Greg L | 3 September 2007 | Illegal Aliens, Prince William County | 50 Comments
Prince William BOCS Chairman Corey Stewart, Gainesville Supervisor John Stirrup, Manassas Councilman Marc Aveni and candidate for Woodbridge Supervisor Chris Royse joined Help Save Manassas today at a small press conference to discuss the impact of the boycott by Mexicans Without Borders on businesses in the Prince William County area. The unanimous opinion of these participants was that the boycott failed, and that the immigrant community has rejected the message and tactics of Mexicans Without Borders.
The DC Examiner has coverage with a great quote from Supervisor John Stirrup:
Stirrup called Mexicans Without Borders - which organizers say includes many supportive U.S. citizens - a lawless group.
“Mexicans Without Borders is a strongly anti-American group that refuses to embrace American culture, refuses to respect American sovereignty and certainly does not respect American laws,” he said.
One of the best statements of the conference was from Chris Royse. This is a guy who clearly “gets it” and given this level of understanding, clearly is deserving of more support from residents in the county:
Good afternoon, my name is Chris Royse and I am running to be the next Supervisor from Woodbridge on the Prince William County, VA Board of County Supervisors. During the recent boycott, called for in protest of the illegal immigration resolution passed by the Board of County Supervisors on July 10th, my campaign took the time to monitor its affects in the Woodbridge District. My campaign manager and I have routinely spoken with grocers and other business owners, small and large in Woodbridge, and I am here to report to you today that the boycott had, in the words used by those we spoke with, “little to no negative affect” on their business.
What the boycott has done, however, is attempt to unfairly penalize business owners, some of them small and immigrant owned-the most vulnerable in a world of commercial giants-over the actions of elected officials on the Board of County Supervisors. The Boycott has also taken the focus off of a comprehensive approach to deal with the negative issues of illegal aliens residing in our community and polarize the issue on solely the Hispanic community in PrinceWilliamCounty. While I abhor this shameless attempt by Mexicanos Sin Fronteras to make race and culture an issue of local legislation framed to deal with the growing problems surrounding illegal aliens residing at the local level, I must point out that the boycotts failure has shown the lack of support there actually is in the Hispanic community for illegal alien apologists.
I have knocked on thousands of doors in Woodbridge during my nearly year long campaign to become the next Supervisor from there and I can tell you without reservation the number one issue in Woodbridge has been and continues to be a cry for help in putting an end to illegal aliens residing in our community. In the race for the Woodbridge Supervisor’s seat, I am the only candidate with a public position on the issues surrounding illegal aliens residing in our community. My position is one of pro law enforcement. The people of Woodbridge are concerned for their safety and according to the recent headlines in the Potomac News and Manassas Journal Messenger, they should be. Recently, in my own neighborhood, one of the assassins involved in the murder of three teenagers in New Jersey last month was arrested after being harbored by individuals, who were arrested as well, for immigration violations and a young lady was sexually assaulted by two illegal aliens in another part of Woodbridge within just the past week. A culture of lawlessness has been allowed to flourish in Woodbridge and once elected as its Supervisor, I will put an end to it.
Now is the time for healing to begin and for us as a community, a community of immigrants at some point in our families past, to come together and solve the problems of illegal immigration at the local level. I have already begun to reach out to immigrant community leaders through personal contact and my Church to set up a dialogue on how best to move forward with rebuilding Woodbridge after the years of lawlessness allowed by the former, secret, illegal, Sanctuary Policy and how to help those business owners get back on track marketing and serving citizens after being seduced by the shadow economy that has been established as a result of illegal aliens residing here and being emboldened by the lack of enforcement of our ordinances and laws. The message I have received from the citizens of Woodbridge and the results of this failed boycott give a mandate to all of us-elected officials, candidates and community activists such as the very successful Help Save Manassas and the soon to be fully established Help Save Woodbridge-who have publicly taken on the issue of routing illegal aliens from our community to move forward, protect our Districts and County, deny citizen services to those who are not citizens and rebuild our strong ties to our immigrant communities. Homeland security begins in the hometown; on November 6th join me in protecting ours by voting for candidates who have publicly taken on the difficult issue of dealing with illegal immigration at the local level.
Also at the press conference, Councilman Marc Aveni indicated that he would welcome an opportunity to discuss a resolution in Manassas City that is similar to what Prince William has adopted, and that PWC BOCS Chairman Corey Stewart will be addressing a congressional committee later on this week and telling that that if the federal government is unable or unwilling to tackle the illegal alien problem, they should give localities the tools needed to do the job that the federal government has so consistently failed to do.
UPDATE: According to Mexicans Without Borders, as reported in the Potomac News, “The issue of sovereignty is a red herring.” Oh, that’s a reasonable response… No wonder they’re Mexicans Without Borders.
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So my question is, when do we march? I am tired of this course laden with crap from Marxist groups such as MSF, it is time to fight before the fringe groups from both sides take over our area. On one side with have MSF, on the other we have the KKK trying to gain from the fear raised from the Marxist groups trying to take over our lives. We will either have Marxist socialism of fear mongering KKK radicalism. If something does not change soon both groups win and we lose:
By KEITH WALKER
kwalker@potomacnews.com
Tuesday, September 4, 2007
Prince William Chairman Corey A. Stewart, R-at large, said congress and the president aren’t doing their jobs when it comes to illegal immigration, so the task is left to the county.
“Congress has failed. The president has failed to attack this problem and as a result, communities such as ours are paying the price in terms of crowded classrooms, crowded jails and hospitals,” Stewart said Monday at a press conference held by Help Save Manassas, a local grassroots group opposed to illegal immigration.
“Because the federal government has failed, Prince William County is stepping up to the plate,” Stewart said.
Help Save Manassas held the press conference to mark the end of the weeklong boycott that was aimed at Prince William County businesses.
Mexicans Without Borders, an immigrant rights group, organized the boycott to protest a resolution that would deny county services to illegal immigrants.
Dan Arnold, vice president of Help Save Manassas, said people wouldn’t be bullied by Mexicans Without Borders.
“We’re here to affirm that our residents and their government will not be intimidated or dissuaded from protecting the cities, towns and neighborhoods of Prince William County,” Arnold said.
The press conference followed a Sunday demonstration at the plaza where thousands attended to protest the proposed resolution.
Stewart said he believed the Prince William Board of County Supervisors, which unanimously approved the resolution proposal, would pass some form of the resolution that would also require police to ask people they detain to prove their legal residency if police determine there is probable cause to do so.
“We’re going to continue hard on this course. We’re not backing down,” Stewart said.
Supervisor John T. Stirrup, R-Gainesville, proposed the resolution in July and said he was delighted to work “hand-in-hand” with Help Save Manassas to stem the “invasion” of illegal immigrants.
Stirrup called Mexicans Without Borders a lawless group.
“Mexicans Without Borders is a strongly anti-American group that refuses to embrace American culture, refuses to respect American sovereignty and certainly does not respect American laws,” he said.
John Steinbach, of Mexicans Without Border, said the claims were “absurd.”
The organization teaches English to day laborers and there are waiting lists of people who want to learn, Steinbach said.
He also said many of the people in the organization are U.S. citizens.
“The issue of sovereignty is a red herring,” Steinbach said.
Mexicans and Central Americans have been coming to the United States to pick the crops and work on constructions sites for generations, he said.
“They are coming over to do the work that we are asking them to do. They’re coming here because there is a demand,” Steinbach said. “The only difference now is that they’re in Prince William County.”
These four gentlemen truly care. For those of you down in Woodbridge, Hilda’s DONE!! Chris Royse is the man you NEED and DESERVE down there. I had the chance to meet him at the Fair, he will give you the representation to roll up that “red carpet”(for ILLEGAL ALIENS) Hilda’s laid out all over her district, and as we all know the problem is COUNTY WIDE.
Vote for and support Chris Royse in anyway you can. He will do right by you folks in the Woodbridge district. Twenty years is long time.
This Steinbach guy is a real kook-clown. He claims that all MSF and WWC does is teach english? So I suppose that the rally and march were just one big english as a second language class? I suppose the boycott, and demonstrations were english classes as well. I suppose that their well-documented advice to hispanics to engage in civil disobedience via the school walk-outs which occurred last year were for english classes.
I can imagine that his comments on sovereignty as a “red herring” will garner his group a lot of support from average americans.
“This Steinbach guy is a real kook-clown. He claims that all MSF and WWC does is teach english? So I suppose that the rally and march were just one big english as a second language class? I suppose the boycott, and demonstrations were english classes as well. I suppose that their well-documented advice to hispanics to engage in civil disobedience via the school walk-outs which occurred last year were for english classes.”
Maybe Sr. Steinbach realizes that that is the only positive result they got from all the boycott/protesting, after all the green boycott signs were in English and Spanish. His efforts are otherwise easily forgotten, thank goodness.
The only success that cam eout of the boycott that I can see, is now I know where NOT to spend my money.
I just noticed that I couldn’t find a Wikipedia article on Mexicanos Sin Fronteras. This is a huge lost opportunity for spreading the truth. Anybody here know enough to get an article started?
I hope everyone in Woodbridge votes for Royce. That would be a clear message to MSF to pack up and leave.
Red herring? Hmmm, though not a big fan of how the United Nations is managed, I sought advice from a friend of mine, professor and expert on the U.N., about the U.N.’s position on illegal aliens since the illegal alien apologists often run towards the U.N. for some sort of protection. She explained to me that there is the U.N. Charter, which supports and protects the sovereignty of every nation and there is the Declaration of Human Rights which “basically says everyone has the right to live where they want.” She explained further, that “each and everytime the Charter has been challenged by the Declaration…the Charter has won. A nation, no matter its political system, economic status, etc. has a right to defend its borders.” Sovereignty is not a “red herring.” In fact for years the U.N. has debated what does “sovereignty” really mean and when does the U.N. have the “right” to intervene upon a nations sovereignty. In the early 90’s, they decided that one measure for intervention would be if a nations political activities were causing hardship for its neighbors (ex: oppressive governmental policies and poor economic decisions that forced people to flee to neighboring countries therefore creating a refugee crisis for your neighbors) then a REGIONAL response would be “allowed” by the U.N. I post this message just to clear the air, sovereigny is not a “red herring” and I am not surprised to hear someone, supported by a marxist insurgency movement(s), try to dismiss it. Also, I’m not advocating for the U.N.’s help on dealing with our Nations border issue (though given their measure for intevention being eerily similiar to what is happening on our border it would be “nice” if they supported our efforts to protect our sovereignty) nor, coming here to PWC. We’re doing just fine. After November 6th, if the people that support the County’s crackdown on illegal immigration are voted in, we’ll be in even better shape.
I sure hope Marc can gain support for the proposal. The City should realize all the yelling and screaming the illegals and their few supporters do is nothing but the antics of a spoiled child who feels they are entitled to anything they want. What this boycott showed is a complete lack of influence on the part of illegals and their supporters.
What they also did was overplay their hand, they will never be able to use the threat of a boycott again and hope it will be enough to prevent another local City or County from tackling the illegal immigration issue.
I Think I can take a crack at the wiki if there is not one, I’ve got a couple Ive started. there are plenty of references as well. looking at MSF’s website it sucks pretty bad so I doubt they’ll be competent at starting a wiki.
Josh,
Looking at the website for Mexicans without borders, there is a picture of The Statue of Liberty that is backwards and says that it is copyright of Mexcians without Borders. I cannot read spanish, Do you know what is says?
redawn, I think you’re looking at a pic of Our Lady of Guadalupe.
When I clicked on it there was a bar above which included “the other campaign”. I clicked on it and got this:
“Mexican Without Borders it has formally subscribed the Sixth Declaration of the Lacandona Forest and is part of the Other Campaign that was summoned by the EZLN and that at the moment this conformed by hundreds thousand of Mexican citizens and hundreds of organizations of the civil society.
Here you found the information related to this movement and of the participation of MSF
Mexican Without Borders it subscribes the Sixth Declaration of the Lacandona Forest and it is united to the other campaign
First contribution of Mexican Without Borders to the Other campaign”
If you get a chance, click on Woodbridge Workers Committee. Here is the translated site: http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=http://www.mexicanossinfronteras.org/&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=1&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dmexicanos%2Bsin%2Bfronteras%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DX
Legal2,
Scroll down and you will see the picture it is under the picture of Elvira Argellano.
This is the website I went too:
http://www.mexicanossinfronteras.org/
Legal2,
Thanks!
There are plenty of references and none of them really put MSF in a good light. Google translations really dont do them any favors either. I dont find too many references on their website regarding the constitution unless it’s the mexican constitution. all referenes are quite leftist in slant and they are about as peaceful as the black panthers….
Legal2,
What does all that gobble-dee goop mean? 6th declaration stuff?
That sure looks like the Statue of Liberty to me. Am I looking at the wrong thing?
Not sure,
I did start a wiki entry for them, feel free to add too it. anyone can edit. does HSM have one?
Josh
The 6th declaration is what they follow as their guidelines:
here’s a link to it, it’s filled with leftist rhetoric
http://www.anarkismo.net/newswire.php?story_id=805
basically is says that all people who have money exploit the poor, blah, blah, blah…it’s pretty horrible reading in it’s translated form, in it’s original form probably just as bad.
This is what it says redawn:
Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”
Why do you think the picture of The Statue of Liberty backwards?
Josh,
That link is all well and good if they practice whatever it says in their own country. That is what they should be doing. However, I dont want that crap here in my country.
redawn,
It probably implies that the American dream of liberty has ‘turned its back on them?’
I saw a really neat show on one of the history channels last week about Ellis Island. It really pointed out how horrifying some of that was to immigrants. I learned a lot of new things. I think we tend to over-romanticize the Ellis Island experience, or it has weathered history much better than it deserves.
me too,
I wish I didnt have to read garbage like that here. We have our own constitution. I would be nice if they followed all of it, not just the pieces they wish to.
Josh
Josh,
I agree that they need serious reform in Mexico (and probably many other Latin American countries). However, I don’t want to take the blame for it not being done. Why does the USA always end up being the bad guy?
I understand why they don’t like our immigration policy. What I fail to understand though, and perhaps I am missing something major, is why the conditions in Mexico are the fault of the United States. Conditions there are the fault of the Mexican government according to my way of thinking.
Good article at http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=21792 on how Cobb County, GA, uses the 287g program and existing laws.
they blame NAFTA and everything else. If the mexican government cared about the people then the problem wouldnt exist. the big issue is the money flowing back to mexico and south america which is why they dont support any policy that stops the flow of illegals across the border since they wire all the money back to them to supplement the economy.
The U.S. needs to stop giving a crap about other countries and concentrate on themselves. If we stopped loaning money and giving everyone a free ride then things may be a bit better. If you keep giving everyone hand outs then they’ll always have their hand out to take it.
As a side note here…
why does Ricardo Juarez looked like he stepped out of a shower and didnt dry off? Does he have hard water in his house or is he just lazy? Every picture I see with him in it looks like he’s drenched. We should submit him to that show on TV “what not to wear” and ask for them to give him a full makeover and wardrobe adjustment. Maybe they’ll take Nancy Lyall along with him.
I know heavy meth users sweat and jumble their words….could he be one? I tried to listen to him on TV and it was almost impossible to figure out what he was saying. His “english” is horrible.
el puerco que suda syndrome?
Advocator,
That was a superior article. Thank you for posting it.
Why has Prince William County gotten so much national attention, both positive and negative, for initiating our Stirrup Resolution? It sounds like, according to this article, that we are not the first, nor are we unique.
It also sounds like a central electronic clearing house is needed immediately to track all those who are deported. A central data center might help eliminate the revolving door phenomena as well as give us additional statistical information to work with. This is the very least the feds can do since we are now doing their job.
Dolph:
I can’t believe you are as naive as your above post makes you seem.
The federal government could solve its illegal immigration problem in a number of different ways if it only wanted to. For example, few simple additions to 8 USC 1324 and 1325 giving states and localities the power to enforce those laws would solve the problem in a heartbeat, without fences, without quadrupling the budget of ICE, etc. But the politicians like Rep Wolf are still clinging to the outside shot that these international vagrants will someday have the right to vote, they do not want to risk their alienation (as opposed to risking having an “alien nation”).
PWC gets attention because it’s a large county, with one of the largest percentages of illegals, and because of its proximity to DC and the ease with which the national media can cover events here.
As far as a central data bank, that too is possible. As I’ve said before on this blog, when I was a guest worker in Saudi Arabia, one did not dare overstay his visa in that country because you knew you’d be picked up and thrown into a prison that would make Rahway, NJ, look like a Boy Scout camp. If those savages were capable of tracking about 8 million guest workers with stubby pencils, I’m sure we could do the same with a couple of Dells or Macs, if we had the will. But when you have the flaccid crowd that serves as our present-day Congress, with members who are more adept at cruising rest rooms than writing laws, you get the situation like we’ve got here in PWC. Just like Rome had with the barbarians and slaves taking over while the Romans indulged in their perversions.
Like Ecclesiastes said, there’s nothing new under the sun.
I hate to re-post this (and will only if I have to), but my post was so late to respond to her, that few people will read it. Clair Castanaga posted something last week that she though were good arguments for why illegal immigration should be ignored or even lauded, that I just did not have time to repond to, and it is relevant to WHY the boycott or any other activity of this type should be banned and why it fails miserably. Clair contends that “people of color” are being singled out and that immigration should not be scutinized, and people who are “immigrants” are being made to fear political or law enforcement repercussion, even if their behavior is “illegal”
You people who support “illegal” immigration just don’t get it. This issue is about lawlessness and the declining ethics, financial welfare plummet and ethnic racial issues caused by a group of people who don’t understand or care about our laws and American value system.
When you are “illegal” regardless of race, color, religion, gender, ethnicity, marital status, or physical handicap, you are still breaking the law of the land and showing the people who live in this land called the US of America you don’t care.
You will steal money from them (the people who live here legally and must pay tax and follow the law) and claim it is your right to do so, by taking the jobs away that they used to have and were paid for at a wage level necessary for them to live comfortably, and now cannot take because the wages “illegal’s” are willing to take are desperate wages. These wages won’t suffice unless you break the law by not paying taxes, live in a single family home and rent out to at least 4 other people who can pay your rent or mortgage for you, get free medical care without paying taxes for it like other legal people have to, get free education without paying tax for it like other legal people have to, and cause communities to decline into the same ethics trash pit of the nations you left behind, because your police are corrupted, your communities are over-run with gangsters and your business owners have grown up with an ethic of “get rich and pay everyone who works for you below subsistent wages.” You are willing to create black markets, conduct illegal business, avoid import duties, ship drugs illegally over the border (both legal drugs and illegal drugs), hire only people of your same ethnic background, shun and boycott businesses of other races, live only in communities who will speak only your language, follow only your religion, give jobs only to you, sell things to you or barter with you at prices that are twice as low as what you will “bargain” to other races not like yours. This happens because the countries you came from “illegally” have people who don’t believe in “individual freedom”, who discriminate and give special privileges to only certain ethnic groups, certain genders and certain religions, and who have leaders who do not make laws that protect individual freedoms, pass laws that equally apply and are enforced equally on everyone and protect people from racial bias (I.E you advocate that only certain races in your countries, certain religions in your country, certain genders in your country, certain ethnic groups in your country are privileged and deserve special rights that the other ethnic groups in your country are deprived from. I know this first hand in countries outside of mine where I have seen this happening. (IRAN, IRAQ, Vietnam, KOREA, Columbia, PERU, Mexico, South Africa, Ethiopia, China, Panama, Russia and many others too numerous to remember). THIS country is one of the few countries with laws designed and enforced to NOT DO THIS, and this is why we are WEALTHY, and other countries are POOR. We protect our people from RACIAL, RELIGIOUS and GENDER BIASED laws and pay everyone “LIVING WAGES”, by passing minimum wages laws and making sure business owners pay LEGAL fair wages and TAXES to support the POOR. People of the Nation and “illegals”, HERE ME LOUD and CLEAR. I was a soldier who saw almost every country in the world, especially the countries at WAR (Ethnic war and Religious WAR). THIS issue is about breaking the law, and then advocating that your Ethnic Group, Religion or racial GROUP deserves special treatment by the government, and that no one else matters. THIS issue is about ethnic and religious GROUPS dividing into political parties, then taking over local governments and making the lives of only their race, religion or ethnic group better. This issue is about coming into a country ILLEGALLY and thumbing your nose at the rule of law and dividing into ETHNIC POLITICAL GROUPS with external revolutionary militia backing and advocating that YOUR ETHNIC GROUP AND YOUR ETHNIC GROUP ALONE deserves special financial advantages, special language treatment, special religious rights, special services and special laws, just because you want everyone to consider you a POOR LEGAL IMMIGRANT, when you are NOT. You are an ILLEGAL immigrant who does not respect the laws of the people of this nation. You believe this based on the laws you ignored or did not have in your former country and the ethics lifestyle you led in your former country and the laws you understood in your former country and the behavior in politics you had in your former country. THIS is what we as US Citizens are trying to prevent from happening in OUR Country, by making sure when you immigrate into our country; you do so LEGALLY, are taught our LAWS, our CONSTITUTIONAL concepts about EQUALITY and support our SOCAL WAR against RACIAL, RELIGIOUS, GENDER or ETHNIC GROUP privilege. This is what “illegals” do not understand and this is why we are going to force them to go back home and put their own countries political Injustices right, rather than destroying ours. This country is now DECLINING and DIVIDING POLITICALLY because our ethnic groups are advocating for SPECIAL RACIAL CLASS PRIVILEGES, SPECIAL RELIGIOUS PRIVILEGES, and SPECIAL GENDER privileges. When “Illegal” immigrating people of ALL NATIONS understand and abide by this principal, then we will extend them a welcome hand back, only if they follow our laws, and follow the process of coming into our country as a legal immigrant. A legal immigrant must pay tax, will not get free benefits, but will pay taxes for those benefits. They will compete with all citizens for jobs at an income level that is fair and balanced for ALL based on the requirement to pay tax, have a social security card, a legal drivers license, be a “legal” registered voter, not be allowed to hire only people of their own race in a “LEGAL” business, speak a language that ALL races, religions, and genders in this land UNDERSTAND, be required to respect the rights of ALL races, religions and genders by not letting any ONE of them have special privileges that the others don’t get (Like have an ethnic school for every racial group represented in this country and a language posted in business for every racial group represented in this country). I have seen with my own eyes what DIVIDING a NATION into Racial, Ethnic, gender, and Religious groups will do to countries. I FOUGHT to protect people of the world FROM this social decay and militant leaders who would advocate for it, just like my ancestors fought NAZI Leadership oppression in GERMANY and am now FIGHTING in my own native land to prevent it from happening here like it has in EVERY other country I’ve been to without these laws enforced. THIS is what FREEDOM is. The right to CHOOSE your LIFESTYLE legally, protect your individual freedom (not your ethnic, gender, religious, racial GROUP rights exclusively of the rights of others), and achieve personal FREEDOM without hurting others not like yourself and to respect laws equitably and fairly, i.e. FREEDOM and JUSTICE FOR ALL.
It’s not about your “Mexicans without Borders” special racial issues. It’s about holding all of you who would break the law accountable, INCLUDING the two young punks who attacked those poor innocent people” out to GET a Mexican”. This is terribly WRONG to do. YES we abhor it! YES we want to make sure racially motivated crime is stamped out. YES we want to make sure all you ILLEGALS out there respect our laws, are punished for breaking them, and are not allowed to operate your own Black markets, special interest ETHNIC POLITICS and kill some other poor group of innocent kids for you own financial or racially motivated gain. (Remember the other crimes too!, MOST of WHICH ARE a RESULT of ILLEGAL Criminal behavior, formed in GANGs, MAFIAS and criminal element along RACIAL lines!
My BOLDs are for emphasis, not shouting. They are an attempt to get it through your thick heads (those of you who feel sorry for people who break the law); you have not traveled the world like I have and seen it first hand in other countries, and am now seeing it here too. DIVERSITY will divide and destroy a nation, especially when the DIVERSITY is ILLEGAL.
Advocator,
Were those naive comments? Which one didn’t meet your level of sophistication?
Sorry about that shot, Dolph. It was a gratuitous comment that I should not have made. Some things that seem obvious to me deserve explanation, while other issues that seem the same to others defy my understanding.
Advocator,
Apology accepted. Thanks.
“Prince William County - doing the jobs that the Congress just doesn’t want to do!”
Legal2,
Sounds like a GOOD bumper sticker T shirt. Good one
Mike, I’m sure there are some good points in there but I’m not going to try finding them in that giant run-on paragraph. It’s way too hard to read in its current format.
Mike, good points and I will print it out to read it and keep it.
Our own City Councilman Marc Aveni made the news.
http://www.nbc4.com/politics/14038559/detail.html
This was picked up a national website.
FYI- I went to the DMV today to pick up a driving booklet so my 15 year old could study to get his learners permit. I grabbed one off the counter and was getting ready to walk out and noticed it was in Spanish. I put it back and asked the woman working, where the ones in English were. She said they didn’t have any and that had been out for weeks.
I guess tomorrow I will be making a phone call.
gotta make sure the illegals know how to drive to 7-11:)
*SIGH* Another example of our tax dollars hard at work…
What forms of id are they requiring this month at DMV? It seems like they change it month to month.
Dave B, et al
Sorry to post such a long post, but I don’t have time to keep up a runnig debate and have a lot to say on these issues. Please bear with me.
The real issues are:
1. Lawlessness and crime as a result of illegal activity along racial lines, increased significantly by “illegal” immigration into once lawful and economicaly growing communities.
2. The ignorance of aligning activities and advocacies of political groups along racial, religious, ethnic and gender lines and the devasting consequences of doing so evidenced by the decline in wealth and stability in other countries.
Now that just says it all. No forms in English. What an awful impression for the 15 year old. I hope he wasn’t with you.
This whole thing is a mess and there aren’t enough tax dollars in PWC to begin to evan attack this mess locally let alone solve and we can’t wait for the next presidential election.
I suggest we ask Bush directly for federal assistance. If he his pondering a mortgage bailout for those who made bad choices, he can help those that he screwed. We didn’t have a choice. Let the lenders fix their own problem. They won’t offer those loans again!
Can’t this be declared a disaster area? I would like to see the FEMA definition of disaster, get some lawyers and give it a shot.
Bring home the troops bring them to Virginia, get some disaster money and clean this mess up.
One FEMA Disaster definition:
Terrorism
Throughout human history, there have been many threats to the security of nations. These threats have brought about large-scale losses of life, the destruction of property, widespread illness and injury, the displacement of large numbers of people, and devastating economic loss.
I think this about covers it. Any experts on FEMA out there? Even if the county did not apply, perhaps those with declining home vaules could file personal claims. I think this kind of action would be emulated nation wide
can someone do a wikipedia entry for HSM? There isnt one. I’m plugging in stuff as I have time for MSF.
josh
[Ed note: please, please, don’t do this. Let thee HSM website stand on it’s own.]
great,
no problem!
Josh